98. 你有“本命剧”吗？跟大家说下【声量2024】
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Welcome to English drama Man You Zhi Nan. Hello, I'm Lu Xiao Niao. Today's program can be classified as other bloggers' favorite dramas. Of course, there was no such series before. I just wanted to open a series like this because of this program. Can I invite some of you who may be interested or like the anchor to share his favorite dramas?

Then I want to talk about the origin of this program. It was on May 17th to 19th. I went to Anaya to attend the second volume of the live broadcast conference held by Deep Night Talk. There was a live broadcast recording. Although the event was only two days, the experience was very good. How to describe it? After two days, I feel that I am lucky to go. It is that it re-gives me the freshness of doing broadcast. Why do you say that you are lucky to go? Because I have been too nervous recently. This event coincided with the Cannes Film Festival.

而我的另一个播客叫赶场,本来就是计划要在今年的嘎那期间连续更新的。 但是现在嘎那也刚刚结束,我们已经更新了十期节目,就是每天马不停蹄。 我相信我们的听众里应该有许多人也是喜欢电影的,也会感兴趣世界各地的电影节的。 那嘎那电影节就是一年一度的最好看的电影的大本营了。 比如说去年嘎那的金钟旅就是《坠楼死亡的抛西》嘛,直到今年中国内地的院线才有上映。 今年的金钟旅颁布给了《Anora》。

I don't know when you can see it. Of course, in addition to this best film, there are five Chinese films in Ghana this year. So we do those main competitions or one kind of attention to the unit or director of the double-vote unit of the movie, but also special for the Chinese movie made a special program. Welcome you from the first issue began to listen back. I believe that after listening to it, you can understand why Ghana Film Festival is very important to the world.

关于嘎那的就介绍到这些。 然后回到刚才说的,在声量开始的前一星期, 我几乎每天都在剪播客, 就是从早到晚,剪了差不多四期的节目吧。 在赶场那边有两三期,在美剧这边还有一期, 美剧这期就是驯鹿宝贝那一期嘛。 其实在来之前,在上飞机之前, 我都没有把那期节目剪完, 然后一直到 17 号中午,

After arriving in Anaya, I went to their famous lonely library. Everyone else was studying there, only I opened my computer, spent two hours to publish that program, and then started to invest in the event of the sound. Next, I will briefly introduce this event to you. I really like it. For the audience at the scene, it is a book marathon from 8 or 9 in the morning to 12 in the morning. Anaya is a round area.

许多人把它称为迪士尼乐园的那种,它会有许多活动场地,然后这个活动就是从早晨八九点钟到凌晨十二点,甚至到一两点钟,在安纳亚的十九个场地里,那些场地有的是电影院,有的是书店,有的是录音棚,有的是音乐空间,有的可能就是一个圆形的空地。

Then they put the recording equipment there. If there is no condition, it will be on you. Don't put on a little honeycomb or professional recording equipment. There are multiple events every hour. Can be understood as a salon. It can also be understood as a blog offline recording. Then you are interested, you can participate. Of course, the site is not usually very large. At most, there are twenty, thirty, forty, fifty people. So how do so many activities work?

产生的怎么报名的呢? 那就是深夜谈谈,也就是大内密谈,他们会提前做一个开放的表格给参与活动的播客主播们填写。 无论你想聊什么,你只要在上面写上想聊的主题,然后在后面落款上自己的名字,然后第二三四格空着,空着的意思就是说,

Welcome other bloggers to participate. So this is a random match of an event. Later, their official statistics are a total of 66 bloggers went to Anaya. And then to be able to participate in the free team event, in addition to bloggers and Anaya's owners, may also open some listeners to participate. Is the volume of this event is to sell tickets.

I'm not sure about those viewers who bought the tickets. They might add their names in the chat and join the podcast. And because I'm really shy, I don't like to use "I" and "E" to distinguish myself. So I might have some obstacles when I talk in a strange environment. But after all, I was invited. I'm also very interested in this kind of form. So my initial idea was to host a show myself.

然后再参加别人一场,这样就完成对主办方的义务。 多了的话,因为我确实不太认识其他的播客主播,也不好意思往上添。 而且我立的那一场,也就是本期播客的主题,邀请我喜欢的播客的主播来聊一聊他的本命剧是什么。 参与的嘉宾都是我之前不一定认识,但是有好感的,所以就邀请过来了。

让他马上就添,我就担心有变数。 同时我参与哪一家,也是因为我和路人抓马的主播小松悠比较熟悉, 就问他我能不能参加到你这一期,然后他也就欣然答应了, 所以我就把这两期完成了。 就开始我是以一个最低的限量来参与活动的, 但是随着时间过去,我在安纳亚越来越放松, 感觉这个氛围确实是很自然的,很亲切的,

会给人安全感,所以我有点后悔没有多报名几个场次了。 不过也有一个很有意思的意外啊,就是我在下午三点到四点参加完路人 drama 的那一场录制之后, 然后我去旁边几百米的另一个场地,是一个电影院,准备我的五到六点的录制。 因为是有空档的嘛,所以四到五点这个时间,按理来说是有别的日程在录制。

滚动中的 所以我到那个场地 就是寻思我一边准备 一边在听听别人的活动 但没想到我到那时候发现 现场只有一个观众 然后他在眼目下的桌子上 只有一个播客主播 是非常知名的 不把天撩死的主播 仙草

This is where he is alone. There is also another boy sitting in the front row. Why? Because after Xian Cao added his own topic to the table, there were indeed three people who signed up, but those three people did not contact him. This led to this event not being able to proceed. He has been waiting, so it's a pity that he was cut off. Then I cried and had courage, or we four people would record together. There are four people on the scene. During the recording process, there are also audiences on the scene.

所以这对我来说也是一个很奇妙的体验,虽然说对于对方来说我这是一个帮助,但对我来说他也是帮助了我自己,我感觉就是真的有点打开自己了,但是我也知道这些仅限在声量这个活动上,在这个环境里是安全的,但如果在别的地方,我可能也就不会这么主动的去参与到那些活动中了。

Then back to why I found the feeling of being a blogger at first. It's our blogging of English-American "The Man with the Right Hand" including the blog I ran, I didn't do it because I wanted to do it, but because I was interested in movies or American dramas. The motivation for his promotion is to get to know more peers and be able to share our favorite works with more people. American dramas, movies, and film festivals are all such an idea.

But I've been doing this for a long time recently. I've entered the routine a little bit. I'm not feeling fresh enough. And this time, I attended a lot of activities from morning to night. Although I only went to the seaside once, the scenery is also beautiful. But more importantly, for me, you can meet some people who really like to broadcast on the road. Some are anchors, some are listeners. Then you can even have lunch and dinner with them. Because our broadcast anchors are not from the same city. Almost every episode is not live recording, it is live recording. This experience really felt some good things about the offline.

Oh, it's starting.

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然后下一位是开开老师 鸡河 还有银屏西班牙指南 我都是他深度的读者和听众 他代表鸡河过来的 和大家打个招呼 家好

凶手

然后同时他有自己的一个播客叫不可理论 是一档我听了一半以上但是听不太懂的一期播客 宝婷老师可以跟大家介绍一下这个播客吧 就是不可理论 就是很难描述 你要听了就会感受到其中的奥妙 而且它是一个如果你有晚上睡不着觉一类的困扰的话 它很适合 催眠型 我听到播客就是他的声音 我会感觉他都在微笑着讲话 他确实讲话也是微笑着讲话的 因为我的眼睛就是有点微笑眼的那种感觉

而嘴也是微笑唇。 然后宝婷老师另外一个身份或者是一个标签吧,就是她是一个日剧达人。 在前年的时候,英美剧漫就指南每年年底都会做英美剧的盘点, 我在想我们要不要做一期日剧的专题,然后我就知道她是一个达人。 甚至还约了她要不要聊一期,但是到现在没有聊成, 因为我是觉得我要看足够的日剧才能和她去搭上话, 或者在我们主播里找能和她搭话的人,但始终就没有促成。 没想到今年这个场合就把这件事完成了。

Oh, that's it.

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当你抱着工作的心态去看剧,你就不会享受那件事。 别的语种你也不看吗? 更难,就我看英语我可以空耳听,但如果比如说韩语什么的,如果让我盯着屏幕去看,我得看字幕,我就觉得说,no too much effort,我就懒成这个样子。 那我感觉开开应该是看剧的对吧? 对,我数了一下,我上个月看了 12 部电视剧。

Where did you get so much time? I'm just a idle person. Because I'm actually a stage person. And I find out every stage. Oh, I still love TV shows so much. The reason I watched 12 dramas last month was because of personal reasons. And then there can be one to two months of free time. And then I thought I would use this precious rest machine in a very efficient way. In my imagination, I thought I might go on a trip. I go to read books. I go to cultivate a new hobby. Yes, I even think I can write novels.

但是结果就是每天楼下买个麻辣烫,然后打开 Netflix,然后就这样快乐的过了一个月。 先报个名吧,毕竟有观众说想知道有什么最近好看的剧,选三部说说。 我觉得看剧是根据心情和每天吃什么,就是比如说如果你今天决定吃麻辣烫或者麦当劳这种快乐的食物,就可以看一些比较...

反转或者说热门的一般来说热门的剧都不会太难看他肯定能吃得下麦当劳比如说最近很火那个好久没做还有那个台剧不够善良的我们就都很适合吃饭的时候就你一定会吃很多东西很快乐的度过这些时光然后比如说如果你要是自己做饭或者说吃泡面那种比较治愈的东西就可能看日剧比较适合

I just added some popular dramas that I didn't have time to watch before. And some very classic Japanese dramas and so on. Oh, then you should be able to watch more than a dozen of them a year, right? More than 50. If I have time, it's like this. But do you remember after you watch it? Actually, I forgot everything. I forgot everything. I don't remember what I watched at all. Yeah. Okay. Then let's talk about Mr. Baoting. I recently watched a relatively new drama. One is the Battle of the City of Ji. Oh, it's already a new drama. Isn't the fourth season new? No.

I'm very interested in him.

你是会说日语对吗?

每个人都会看。 一年能做多少部? 我没统计过。 因为你邀请我做这个节目, 所以我看了一下我豆瓣那个标签, 反正日剧我标了大概三四百个吧。

当然还有日影 就是只算日剧的话是三四百 所以我的疑问就是 现在你们觉得英美剧 是不是已经在国内的观众非常少了 不会

不会吗? 一说看剧,大家不都先看英美剧吗? 国产剧不是最多的吗? 其实我觉得我看剧主要来源就是听朋友跟我推荐。 就如果会有一个人疯狂跟我说这个超好看,你快看,然后我就说 OK,我会看,然后我就看一下。 我觉得你觉得看的人少是因为你在这个行业内吧? 因为你在哪个行业你就会觉得哪个行业很荒凉,就看的人很少。

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Yeah, our apprentice is so amazing. He's asleep, but he doesn't count when he's there. Yeah, he's like that. He developed this habit when he studied in Japan. Then it became our AI-like existence. Tell us what drama you can watch. Because a year of English and American dramas added up, Liu Media has more than 500 dramas. Four or five hundred. So he can watch half of them. You want to introduce me to this kind of friend? Yeah, yeah.

Masters of Sex

国内翻译成叫《心爱大师》。 然后我看这部剧的时候, 我还在上大学, 然后当时上大学的时候, 我其实就是有一段时间, 是非常纠结和迷茫的, 然后那段时间, 主要是在我选择自己热爱的东西, 还有研究方向这个上面。 当时我,

I found a teacher in our department who was very, very far-fetched. He had no right to speak in the department, no position at all. So I did a graduate thesis with him. And that graduate thesis, I just wanted to discuss one question. I found a teacher

然后那个小说讨论的是第三波女性 当然这些话题现在看来就非常稚嫩 那个论文可能就是也漏洞百出啊 就大家不要把这个当真 但是我当时在思考的一个问题就是 在社会主流的这种异性恋的家庭结构之下 就是女性有没有一种可能 她可以正当的去寻求一些比较流动的关系 当然现在看起来是很普通 但是当时是就比较年轻的我在思考的一个话题

I think that's when I saw the drama Masters of Sex. The leading actress is in a very unfavorable position in society. First of all, they do sex research, which is very scientific. In the background of the 50s, such research was not recognized by the public. They thought it was a mess.

然后特别是在当时那个年代,女性就是应该是家庭主妇,特别是上流社会的女性,你就应该找一个比如说医生,律师这样的好丈夫辅佐家庭这样。 但是呢,Masters of Sex 的这个主人公,他就是一个女性研究者,但是显然他没有办法在医院,在研究所,在学校里面获得任何正当的一个研究员的职位,虽然他有相应的能力。

So I talked about the relationship between him and the doctor who studies sex and the relationship between them and their personal feelings. Their relationship is actually a third party relationship. But what impressed me the most is that it is a complete and continuous process. It shows you that in this drama,

weakness

其实她的身上,其实她自己的身体里面也慢慢的有很多独立自由的意识在觉醒,然后她也有很多的辛苦,很多的不甘,然后她和她丈夫的出轨的这个对象不是那种打小三的关系,而是慢慢的开始产生了一些共鸣,就等等的就是你会看到在每个人的身上,她都会有她的挣扎。

So all the struggles in the drama made me feel very touched. So this is my life drama. It's a drama, right? Yes, it has four seasons. Is it over? Yes, it's over. It was over a long time ago. I've always liked to watch professional dramas. The first drama I was touched by was The Doctor's Tears.

我超爱那个剧 我就是在大概是还没上大学吧 反正就是没有任何工作经验的时候 实习医生格雷就是我对职场最初的想象 就是它是一个你要完全献身于它 然后你要杀得水深火热 然后就是完全奉献自己的那样一个幻想吧

And then there's The Newsroom, which I like. And then there's the magical Mrs. Messer in recent years. Is the Chinese name called this? The Great Mrs. Messer. Do you still watch the Obusian Seven? I don't watch that. The Great War. The Glee has been in more than 20 seasons, right? Yes. She's not an intern doctor anymore. She's a principal. Ask a question. Is this drama a life experience for you? Or is it a connection to you at some stage?

You mean The Master of Sex? Yes, the so-called life-and-death drama. Why? Because, for example, the main character in this drama is Mrs. Johnson, who can't get a proper researcher's identity. She and a woman with a proper research identity

But in terms of personal life, the two of them had some conflicts when they were very weak emotionally. I feel very, very touched. He didn't describe anyone in it. For example, this heroine,

It sounds like a big woman's setting. She's been resisting from a society that's full of obstacles. She's been doing her own research. And she's very hardworking and very capable. It's a little bit of a mix. If you imagine it, it should be a story like this. But it's not at all. When you're facing such a weak man,

我说的是这个 Mrs. Johnson 就是她的生活是 有的时候可能研究进入了一个比较顺利的阶段 她的生活或者她的孩子也安顿下来 她的生活就会比较平稳 然后那个男主又给了她一些承诺 给了她一些情感上的 commitment 但是你会发现好像下一秒 就所有这些又会都化为泡影

当你的生活就处在一种飘飘荡荡的,好像没有什么是能够抓得住的,不管任何看起来好的还是看起来不好的东西,都是像泡影一样的东西的时候,我很喜欢看所有他这种细微的情感上的反应。 我这个人比较俗啊,就这名字叫性爱大师,这里面性的东西很多嘛。 他是大量的说这个,还是说他只是一个由头?

This is what he was doing when he was popular. Right. Many people think it's like this. It's not what people think. There's actually nothing like the drama. Yes, but it's not what people think. It's actually a work drama. Yes. There's a skin on the skin. Xi Yi, come and have a look. I've seen that drama before. Actually, it's very popular now. I remember it was in 2011.

还没有女性运动像现在这样,但是她以这样一个主题去拍了那样,而且我觉得这个题材如果放到现在的话可能也不会那么拍,在当时我觉得她拍的还是一种很饱满,很丰富的那种情感去推动,就是像现在女性题材可能会就是维度特别多,然后你能看到很多很多的角度。

每个人物你都会有不同的体验 但是那个还是很主线 就是在那个年代 那样一个医生 然后他是复展科 然后他推动了整个医学的那样一个 是很正的一个剧 我觉得 明白 而且我很喜欢的一个题材 就是夹缝中的情感 这个是我很喜欢看的一个主题 就不管任何情诗的剧 我也爱看这种 听起来就吸引人的 OK 那就接下来话筒交给开开 好 看人间稿

I didn't expect that. Wow, there are so many articles. It's my first time. So serious. It's my first time without a microphone stand and without a computer. And then I came in and found that there were audiences. And the audience actually had to pay to come in. It's okay. Because I think Anaya this time, in fact, many themes are very interesting. But I read a lot of topics. I think I have to do a lot of homework to talk. I think we're at the beach. We should talk about a topic that doesn't need to be studied.

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Oh, that's right. Louis CK. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe half of them have seen it, and half of them haven't seen it. I think it's for me. What is the main story? Because actually we're watching the show now. You think it's so good after you watch it. I've never seen anything like this. And then immediately hit the five.

5 stars, 10 stars, 100 points. It's very possible. There are still many opportunities to watch good dramas. But I think the so-called life drama is like a food or a room. You may not feel it is very delicious after the first bite. But you will keep thinking about it. You keep thinking about why it is like this. You don't know why it just hits your head. And then you have a dream.

I would still want to eat or go back to the room to have a look. This is a classic drama for me. So I chose this one in my list. If I were to give this drama to friends who have never watched it, I would say that this drama is actually a little different from the experiences of many dramas we have watched. I would say that it is a TV drama based on dialogue.

It's not a plot promotion. You take ordinary narrative and drama theory and put it on the internet. For example, "The Mermaid of the Fox", "The Journey of the Hero". And then these are all not suitable. It's not a story or narrative to promote a play at all. Then you use the audiovisual language to review it. You will find that it is really very simple. It is almost only one scene in the whole play.

It's just that the people who are talking to the camera are constantly turning around. And then he didn't even have a montage. And then there's no multilayered narrative. All the reasons you usually like to watch dramas don't apply to him. He's just, I think, let me describe him. It's more like literature.

It's like a novel. It's like a script, right? It's like a script for a line. It should be Louis CK's life's ending. Right, right, right. We'll talk about it later. This has a lot to do with his producer. I want to see it. Why do you say it's like a novel? Because the plot of the whole TV series is almost built up by dialogue.

I would say it's not just a dialogue, but more like a fight. Let's take an extreme example. The third episode of this drama is more than 40 minutes long. And then at the beginning, for nine minutes, he was writing a special letter to a woman's face. He kept talking to the camera. What kind of story did he tell? It's a nine-minute love story. He had a relationship with his eunuch. And I thought,

It was so interesting. I was wondering what to say next. After the story, the camera turned back. The other side of the table was Louis CK, the male lead of the drama. He was also the director, producer and screenwriter. He said, what's the point of telling me this? Why do you want to tell me this? The female lead said, because I thought in my life, you are the only one I know who has been cheated.

"You cheated on my sister back then. I'm in so much pain right now. I think I'm going to die. I think everyone has to find out this secret. So I want to talk to you about what I should do now." So just take this example, that is, he can talk to you and then you see what the relationship between the two of them is. What was the past life of these two people?

And then the next 20 minutes were always their conversations. It's their reflection on the past marriage. What's wrong with the child now? Wow, it's a very, very wonderful one. It's built up from conversations and back and forth.

真都不会无聊吗? 不会不会。 一直是对话。 尤其是这一段, 只有 20 分钟一个女的, 她在讲述自己整个这个过程, 她还是有悬疑的, 开始我们并不知道她发生那些不幸, 直到后面揭露了以后, 你还惊讶原来讲的是这样一件事, 但她讲的真是循序渐进的那种感觉。

I think the other label of this drama is that we often want to watch a happy comedy. But I feel that it is it that opened a mourning comedy of this era. We call it mourning comedy. For the sake of it, because you look at it, its label is a comedy, but it will heal. So I only watched three episodes of this drama. I haven't finished it yet. Do you like it? I like it very much. I'm watching this scene. So that's it. I may pick up this one every year. I'll watch it tonight.

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How can I explain it to you? Except for the hidden story line, in fact, most of them are talking about this in the pub, and then one person talks about that, and one guest talks about that. He may link the plot of this story to the dialogue. For example, the last guest said that my brother went to the moon and talked about it. Then the next person said the moon. I watched a movie on the moon and told him his own story.

I want to share with MiZai a drama that you just said is connected by dialogue. Is it good? Yes. In fact, I think it's because the director Louis CK used to do a lot of slander. All the scenes in this drama are made by him.

I think why a person who has written a drag show can make such a special TV drama is because a good drag show for me is not a show, it is more like a poem. Because we know that poems have rhythm and rhythm.

但是一个段子为什么能让人发笑 让人尬住 然后让人去联想起自己经历 就在短短那么两分钟之内 它给你有那么多丰富的情绪 就是因为它每一个词都是千锤百炼 磨出来的

I also have a question. When you say a good dialogue in a TV series or a movie, the first thing that comes to my mind is Alan Sojin.

I only watched social media.

It's the movie about David Fancy. Yes, it's about Jack Bogg. When I think back to that movie, I think it's more like a slow movie. What do you mean by slow? It's very chill. It reminds me of social media. It's very chill. But I haven't watched it for a long time.

So we discussed it on the spot. You just mentioned the process of polishing. Alan Sorkin in his "A Moment of the Writer" said that he was never satisfied with the script he wrote. He would always want to change it every time he watched it. Although the producer might be satisfied with it, he would never be satisfied with it.

I think it's very similar to the film "The Smasher". And this morning, I participated in a dialogue. I gave an example of the "Frozen" movie. I think the "Frozen" movie is like this. Sometimes the dialogue in the movie is very long. And in a daily scene, the dialogue of the characters is very short and unnatural. But I think that's a belief in his writing and writing.

I think the script in the film is very important regardless of the actor's acting skills. It is the key to the quality of the drama. I agree. I feel that the difference is that Bai Nianjiu is a playwright who is a slanderer. She was the only one who did this kind of drama back then. And now there are more. For example, last year or the year before, there was a play called "I May Destroy You" or "I Can Destroy You". It's a story about a slanderer who speaks about her sexual experience. It's very popular.

然后去年有一个剧叫《我是处女作》,也是一个脱口秀演员关于政治正确相关的一个剧。 今年最近比较火的叫《寻录宝贝》嘛,也是一个喜剧表演者,他讲自己曾经被性侵还被跟踪狂跟踪的一个经历。 这几年实际上脱口秀演员做的英文剧越来越多,因为这种视听语言是可以更加帮助他们扩展自己的人群的。

嗯,我其实也有一个同感,但是不仅局限于,我会想说可能是喜剧出身的人更适合做这个,因为你刚刚说的那个就是说丧剧,我们看剧的人知道有个标签叫丧剧,它翻译过来就是 sadcom,它

It's a comedy. It was around 2015 or 2017. There were a lot of such series. For example, Manan Bojieke, Ricky Morty, and London Life. Actually, when you look at these creators, many of them are comedians. I especially like the female director of London Life. Phoebe. Yes, Phoebe. I was thinking why most of the drama, including Li Dan, why?

什么好像都是要喜剧出身的人去讲。 我觉得可能是因为就是只有喜剧的人才可以把一个那么惨烈的故事轻飘飘地讲出来, 但是到最后它是一下砸到你心里的。 就比如说这个百年酒馆,如果看过这个电视剧的朋友, 可以回想起来它零星的那条家族的主线, 一共这个电视剧就四个主角,

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It's like us.

Actually, I want to cry now. To tell such a tragic story like that. And this time I look back. I found a point I didn't see before. He called the Hundred Years' Wine House. And then he said various conversations. The ending of each episode is the same. Everyone drinks and talks. And then the last scene is always. Everyone is in silence.

I thought, "Oh my god, there's more to it than this?" You drink, chat, and then go to fight for your job, and then everyone stops talking. And then the classic dubbing, the ending, comes to mind. There's nothing like this. But isn't this just daily life? Who can find an answer to life? No, it's not like that. I've been crying since we've talked.

What?

What? I have to play a role? I just thought about it. Can I talk about reality shows? Yes, sure. I suddenly remembered a Korean drama. It's also a reality show. Is it called "The Demon's Plan"? I've heard of it. Have you seen it? I'm so lonely.

她是一个真人秀 然后这个里面哦 她是一帮人就关在一个别墅里面 斗智斗勇 然后我说的斗智是真斗智 就那个题我要停下来做 然后我根本就想不明白那个题怎么做 她出的那种智商题就非常非常的吃上

大家请的人全都是各行各业最聪明 IQ 非常高的人 就是一个问答类的节目吗 不是不是 他是比如说团队合作 他有 AB 轮 他有 AB 轮就比如说一天的 A 轮 你们要互相竞争 但 B 轮你们要互相合作 然后这个时候呢 人跟人之间就会出现派别 我跟你关系好 我跟他关系不好 那我跟你结盟 我们商量把他干掉

How do we kill it? We'll make it into a show. It's a bit like the Naifei show. It's like the Yu Yu game, but it's a real-life show. It really is a real-life show. And then, in this show, there's also a deep line. It's a big game. You play the game every day, and you pass through it every day. There are different people every day. But it has a deep line. It's not called... There's a secret room in it. And then you open this secret room, you can get a lot of money. And then a bunch of CPs appeared at this time. I'm telling you, the beauty of men and women. It's not good enough for me.

特别好看,然后里面的题非常难,就有各种各样就是数学类的题。 我有一个题,我不知道我能不能解释明白,就是把人分成三堆,然后放在不同的三个房间里面,没有办法交流。 你只能看对方把不同的砝码加在天平的两端,然后你也不知道砝码是多少克重,然后你要通过 XYZ 去计算,最后让它达到平衡,但是三组之间不能交流。 然后还有那种赌博的游戏,就是互相猜牌,因为

I don't know why I like to watch the ghost stories. One is the fighting. Everyone is really open to compare with each other. See who is smart and who knows. There is also a ghost story between people. It's a test of humanity. Yes, I think Koreans play very well. There is also a Korean drama. It's not a Korean drama. It's a Korean real life. It's called Blood and something. It's a bunch of people locked up in a villa. It's also through this kind of fighting thing. Eliminate people. But in fact, the eliminated people were not driven away.

They were driven to the basement. It's like the Korean drama, "The Last of Us". The reality of the parasite. They were folding the pizza box. They were collecting points. They were given a chance to go up.

Oh, I just...

I love this kind of drama. I really like watching the real person in front of the huge temptation of money and power. I fight with you, but I can't break it on the surface. I think Koreans are suitable for this. I think these two dramas are on the same road. Then I have to talk about a drama of my life. It's also a real-life show. I watched it.

十几年 每年夏天都看 就是一个美国很火的 长青的真人秀 叫做 The Big Brother 老大哥 我不知道我身边 我跟你说 我认识这么多朋友 没有一个跟我看这同一个剧的 这个宇宙就是如此的孤独 但是我每次在 B 站上看 就有那么多网友一起发弹幕 老大哥其实就是 他们没有韩国这些剧 玩的题目那么难 就是美国人挺傻的 你知道吗 你让美国人去做数学题 我觉得他们这辈子都做不出来

But they play those games that are more physical. It depends on who can hold on to the green board the longest. That's what they play. But they also have those memories, those questions. Every few years, there will be a very awesome character. He can control the whole game, and take everyone down. And in the end, he can get... Now the prize money has reached $750,000.

I really recommend you guys to watch that. I really like it. I like it so much that I even watched its Canadian version. And other countries have also released its version. It seems that excellent reality shows will be copied by many countries, right? It's really classic. Super good looking. I haven't finished yet. This part is the ghostly part. I'm going to talk about the superficial part.

肤浅的部分呢 就我推荐大家看一个非常肤浅的剧 它叫做 Too Hard to Handle 中文名叫做什么 欲求不满 昨天看那个剧照 它是这样子 它又是把一堆人关在一个荒岛上 然后呢这堆人啊 它是俊男靓女 就是身材非常好的男生跟女生 然后长得又很漂亮 你想啊 就这么一堆人 然后又是在夏季的那种海滩上 就

必然要發生這種羅曼蒂克的關係 And then there was a robot, a triangle, and it was called Lana. 遊戲開始,我們這個遊戲只有一個規則,就是不能 have sex. 你們不管怎麼樣,就是不能發生關係。 And then you see all these men and women,

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然后每天就是这种 drama 然后五对之间呢 又会有那种就是 本来我俩是一对 但是呢这个男的呢 又跟那个女的亲了 然后这个女的呢 又跟那个男的出去吃饭 就会有这种非常肤浅的 drama 但是我本人就非常喜欢 然后除了这个 Too Hot To Handle 还有一个叫做 It's Love Blind 你看过吗 也是真人秀 就是把男女 他们完全不认识 男的一边女的一边 然后他们每天相识的途径就是 把两个人 比如说我跟你

相亲,把我跟你关在一个房间,我们俩互相看不到只有一堵墙,然后我俩就通过对话建立恋爱关系。 最后这俩人如果你俩对上眼了,你俩见面就必须是男的向女的求婚,你俩订婚了才能见面。 就是在不见面之前就确定了求婚。 对,就是你俩要结婚,it's love blind,爱情真的是盲目的嘛。 然后就每一季大概会成个三四对。 真结婚。 真结婚。 这不和中国古代一样吗? 真结婚。

完了呢,这帮人见面之后,他们就有一个星期的时间是去那个什么,比如说去那种海岛啊什么,就让他们特别浪漫的在一起,这个时候 drama 就开始发生了。 因为这一帮没有见过男的女的,他们就开始见面,但是你想哦,他们之前约会都是多线联系,所以其实我跟你暧昧,其实我跟他也暧昧。

But we are engaged now, right? He is engaged to another person But the first time I saw him I think he is also pretty good There are all kinds of drama And then it's very superficial But it's very scary, friends I really recommend you to go see it They will be on the island When they are on vacation They will quarrel There is a pair of black people They quarrel really super fierce Just put that engagement ring Just fell to the other person's face I think it's so exciting Then

然后他们会失败几对,然后还有的人会真的就会去结婚。 然后这个节目最大的悬念就是在那个婚礼的那个殿堂上面说, do you 什么什么什么,然后他就会说 yes I do, 或者有的人就是 no I don't, 然后他就会说 yes I do,

然后你知道吗 就有的人就说 no I don't 的时候 现场就会开始打架 就是两边那个亲属就快群殴 我就觉得精彩精彩太好看了 我就每天就靠这个活着 讲完了 是每周都会看吗 他出我就追 我特别喜欢看这种不用动脑子的这种东西 那你每天是不是要吃很多东西

Can the people who shared the show raise their hands? No. You are lonely again. It's okay. Can you briefly introduce the concept of the American show? I understand that some people who live at home will be easy to relax by watching these things. Family advice. Yes. And then there are dozens of episodes in one shot. Survivor. That one shot has more than 20 episodes. That one is also good. It's also a new season on the desert island. Which one is the most interesting to everyone? You are more confused. Baoting won. There is a competition. No. I knew I was going to be a little deep.

Do we have the last 10 minutes to talk to the audience? Do you want to talk to the audience? No. Do you remember the title? Yes. He's the host. I didn't say anything. Because I said too much about my voice. I thought for many days. I thought anyone could make a few steps forward. But I just can't think of it. What?

看太多了 只有某一阶段你很喜欢 但是后来发现当时的爱都是假的 对我曾经可能喜欢黑客军团 是因为那个男主比较癫狂 对然后他的声音很好听 但是现在也没有那么喜欢了 你有没有比较喜欢的某一个类型的 就比如说我喜欢看那种职场剧

你会有喜欢的题材吗? 因为现在压力大的话,有的时候只能看那种悬疑啊,或者是比较情节紧凑的剧,也是比较肤浅的一种,就是只有在自己非常的 easy 的那种前提下我才能看喜剧。 在上一场那个节目我也聊过,喜剧啊,放松那种剧啊,我只能在自己某一段时间很惬意的时候,但是现在我感觉越来越难找的这种时光了,就很难。 但是如果你焦虑的时候,只能看那种情节紧张的。

Can you say that the dramas you watch now are all related to work? Yes, I can talk about this. In 2016, I watched a drama called "The Fifth Person" which is also a British drama. There were only six comments on the whole network and I couldn't find who liked it. Then there was a comment that I liked very much and I posted it on Douyou. Later I found out that he was in Germany. Then we made a public account and held a auction at the end of every year. Later, people I met wanted to share good dramas with more people or find people to chat with to make this blog and public account. So I didn't feel like I was working.

我的基本的欲望就是想让更多人看我喜欢的东西 你们这期节目评论区如果真的有跟我看一样剧的朋友们 求你们出来就冒个泡行不行 肯定有 希望找到我的同类 我们几个群里都会有经常聊真人秀的人 肯定能够找到的 然后可以跟大家分享一下 顺便问我们其他几位嘉宾 有没有看过最近我们觉得比较好看的 比如说幕府将军 我们的上一期节目刚聊过 有人了解吧 是吧 然后刚才提过寻路宝贝嘛 今年还有史密斯夫夫是最早的一期好看的剧嘛

对对对那个听说了 还有天才雷普利就叫雷普利了 因为电影叫天才雷普利 都是最近比较火的一些剧 今年我感觉整体的剧还是挺不错的 我有一个小问题想问咪仔 就是你刚刚说的那么多都是真人秀 就如果是同样的一些 drama 它是一个虚构作品你就不喜欢了是吗 就是它必须是正式性的 其实我跟你说那些真人秀都有剧本 很明显就能看出来它其实是有剧本走向的 对但是虚构的我也爱看 但是

Because of the reality show, there is one that you can follow these people on Instagram after you finish watching it. I will follow their drama. Those who didn't get married. And those who are particularly good at getting married. I will follow them. I found that the man was cheating. What kind of netizens are reporting him there? I think it's wonderful. It's more than this kind of fictional one. It's gone. Do you know? It can continue to your life. The TV series are all left. You ask me this because you have something like this. But it's fictional. Can you recommend it to me? Yes.

I just remembered an animation film that is made in China called "Duan Nao" Is it good? It's very popular, I've never seen it before "Duan Nao" is so popular now It's a very early one It's a brain-burning one, right? Brain-burning one Oh, I like it, I like it So it seems like your podcast is doing the real crime So it's all real things

Yeah.

比如我就大概很系统就去看了一下 继承的整个 cast 他到底是怎么回事 然后我就发现 Jeremy Strong 这个人 真的非常有意思 他是一个叫方法派演员 就是在那个比如表演系教科书里面 被称作是反正一种流派吧 就是说

Yeah.

真喝? 真喝?

而且他在演别的不只是这一个,就是他演所有的都是这样,而且他甚至就有点失去自我,就是他有点不知道自己是谁,但是他了解他所有的角色。 但这对演员来说好危险啊,我觉得。 对。 比如说他演一个变态杀人魔。 就所有跟他合作过的导演什么的都很担心他。 精神的那个状态。 好,那今天的时间应该差不多了吧,非常感谢大家的到来。 最后还有一个问题,就是听众里是我们听众的人可以稍微举下手吗?

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