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Werner Herzog Isn't The 'Wild Guy' You Think He Is

2024/12/6
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韦纳·赫尔佐格认为,他电影作品中看似极端的情节并非真正的极端,而是象征性的隐喻,如同文学作品中的比喻手法,例如《白鲸》中的白鲸或《堂吉诃德》中的风车。他强调自己并非追求冒险或突破极限,而是一个纪律严明的专业人士,他注重安全,在80多部电影中没有演员受伤。他认为,为了深入探究人性,需要将人置于某种边缘状态。他童年在二战时期和战后的贫困环境中长大,这段经历培养了他对极端环境和人性的好奇心,而非恐惧。他认为自己是一个自律的专业人士,而非人们印象中的“野性之人”。他拒绝过度自我反省,认为过度回忆童年创伤并不健康。他坦然面对过往的错误和失败,并认为这些经历塑造了他。他自认为在整个电影行业中是唯一一个精神健全的人,并认为好莱坞的浮夸和表演性近乎疯狂。他与演员克劳斯·金斯基的合作,虽然充满挑战,但他成功地将金斯基的疯狂表演控制在屏幕内,最终呈现出具有独特艺术价值的电影作品。他强烈反对战争,对以色列和加沙的冲突表示谴责,但他同时表示,如果德国出现新纳粹政权,他会拿起武器反抗。他认为自己独特的叙事风格和声音特点深受观众喜爱,他在电影中扮演的反派角色纯属表演,并非其真实性格。他强调自己作品的真实性,而非虚构或特效。他目前正在从事写作和电影制作等工作,并拥有规律的作息,认为写作是轻松且高效的。 Terry Gross 采访了 Werner Herzog,探讨了他电影作品中极端元素的来源,以及他个人经历对其创作的影响。她提到了 Herzog 童年在二战时期和战后的经历,以及他与演员 Klaus Kinski 的合作。她还探讨了 Herzog 对战争和人性的看法,以及他如何看待自己作品中的极端元素。

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Why is Werner Herzog drawn to extreme characters, settings, and scenarios in his films?

Herzog sees these extremes as big metaphors and visions that allow for deep exploration of human nature and the soul. He believes that putting characters at an edge is necessary to reveal the darkest recesses of the human psyche.

How does Werner Herzog view his own sanity in the context of filmmaking?

Herzog claims to be the only clinically sane person in the entire filmmaking profession, citing his ability to make over 80 films without losing his wits or professionalism. He contrasts his sanity with the perceived insanity of Hollywood's red carpet events and performative statements.

What childhood experience shaped Werner Herzog's curiosity about the world?

At the age of two and a half, Herzog's mother woke him and his brother in the middle of the night to witness the distant city of Rosenheim on fire from bombing. This vivid memory of the vast inferno tracing the end of the world on the night sky sparked his curiosity about the dangerous and spectral world outside his tight valley.

How did Werner Herzog acquire self-discipline after a violent incident with his brother?

After stabbing his older brother in a fight, Herzog realized the need for self-discipline. He understood that controlling his wild impulses was crucial, leading to a disciplined approach in his life and career.

Why does Werner Herzog avoid psychoanalysis?

Herzog believes that excessive introspection and recalling childhood trauma can be unhealthy. He prefers to forget and bury past traumas rather than delve into them through psychoanalysis, which he sees as necessary only in very few cases.

What was the most serious incident involving Klaus Kinski on set?

Kinski once fired into a bamboo hut, causing a crew member to have part of his finger shot off. Herzog threatened Kinski, ensuring that no such incidents occurred again during their subsequent collaborations.

How did Werner Herzog react to being shot during a film shoot?

Herzog decided not to call the police after being shot, as he believed it would lead to unnecessary complications and disruptions. Instead, he continued filming at a safer location, demonstrating his pragmatic approach to handling dangerous situations.

What is Werner Herzog's stance on war and his potential involvement in one?

Herzog is against any war and believes it is terrible and unnecessary. However, he would fight if a neo-Nazi rebellion occurred in Germany, as he would not allow the barbarism of the Nazis to repeat.

What upcoming projects does Werner Herzog have?

Herzog is working on a new book titled 'The Future of Truth,' which will be released next spring in its German original format. He has also completed two films that are yet to be fully released and is involved in translating poetry by a Canadian writer.

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Werner Herzog discusses his attraction to extreme situations in his films and life, emphasizing his professionalism and discipline despite the perceived risk. He recounts childhood experiences during World War II and his film-making challenges, highlighting his focus on storytelling and exploring human nature.
  • Herzog's approach to filmmaking involves calculated risks, not reckless endangerment.
  • Despite his films' extreme settings, Herzog prioritizes safety and professionalism.
  • His childhood experiences during WWII shaped his curiosity about extreme situations.

Shownotes Transcript

Herzog reflects on the curiosity that's fueled his career in the memoir, *Every Man for Himself and God Against All, *now out in paperback. The filmmaker and writer is drawn to extremes: extreme characters, extreme settings, extreme scenarios. But don't mistake him for a mad man like some of his film subjects: "You have to control what is wild in you. You have to be disciplined. And people think I'm the wild guy out there but I'm a disciplined professional," he tells Terry Gross.Film critic Justin Chang reviews Queer.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)