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It'd be nice to eat outside, wouldn't it? I like them ones, Jamie. It's my wife. It's my wife. He's got a better colour on top, I think. I always go black, don't I? This is a nice shirt. I think I'm the same stylist. Do I have to switch the phone off? It's on silent. On silent? It's always on silent. They're twins, innit? They're a little cooler, aren't they? We can go. So I stand still? Yeah. So cool. Are we ready? Come, let's go. Come on, let's go.

This is the overlap on tour, Unseen, brought to you by Sky Mobile. See, that was terrifying. You can watch all of the action from the boys' trip around Europe on Sky Max and Now TV. Why is the pressure so strong in Rome? If it's not a club that wins all the time, it's not like we're talking about Milan or Juventus. Why is the pressure so great here? I think it's all about the love, the way we are.

For everything. You know, if I was a chef, it was like this. If you cook carbonara and there's not enough guanciale, people are like... Hey, come on. You should come here. It's a nice place for him. It's the way we are. But of course, Roma...

Roma and football is very, very important for us in Italy, especially in Rome. So there's a lot of pressure. Also, if we are, you know, aware that we're not Real Madrid, we're not winning, more of the fans are ready to accept a no-winning season, you know. That's what I think. But do the fans want the style of play? Or is it about winning? Are they interested? Is winning more important than the style of play? No. No. Not for many of them. They love, you know,

You know, the loyalty, the effort you do on the pitch, also if you're not from Rome, but you want, they want to win. They want, they would win.

They will win. We spent 10, 12 years, you know, not winning, but, you know, very close to the first. I've been nine times second in the league. And it's crazy. It's crazy against, you know, teams that build up the team with 200 million more than us. So you never won, but you won a lot of matches in this season. So people are, you know, OK, are comfortable with the performance you gave. When you started, did you always want to play for Roma?

Yes, everybody here in Rome say that they want to play for Roma. And sometimes it happens. When you are in Roma, you have to choose, you know. Sometimes you're so lucky that you can't choose to go in a better club or to stay here. I made this decision and it's a bad footballistic decision. But for me, it's okay. I'm not leaving with regrets. How old was you when you signed with Roma? I signed for Roma for the youth. I was 12, I guess. Wow. 12. Wow.

And I was practicing in the same place I'm now. Of course, it was totally different. And I started when I was 12. I never played. I was on the bench all the first three, four years long. And then I was a totally different player. I was a striker. Very, very...

you know, light. Yes. And I was, you know, a delicate guy, skinny guy, good technically, but not aggressive. And then I figured that out that if I wanted to play... Is there something about... When you talk about everyone wants to be a Roma player and the passion of the city, and I think of you, Totti, and then further back, Giannini. Yeah, yeah. Of course, of course. It...

They're the three players I remember as sort of local players. Are you like more heroes to the supporters here because you're local? Is there a big feeling for local players? Yeah. I mean, it's something that starts from the love of the people for this club. It's not just me, Francesco and Giannini. It's many of our other players and some of them are not good enough to decide to stay. Sometimes they're going alone or going to other paths, following other paths. But

It's a dream, you know, when you grow up like a Roman kid, you dream about this. When did you get into the team? It was, you know, like this. I was starting to play a little bit more because I grew up... When did you change from striker to midfielder? I was 17, maybe 16. Okay. And it was like this because we were losing a match against a club in Tuscany, Arezzo. I was on the bench, the...

The captain of my team was playing as a midfielder, like I did all my career. And we were losing against them. He got a red card. So the coach called me and said, go and play. Where? There, in place of Fabio. I went there. We won 2-1. And the match after, Fabio was out. And he put me on the...

On this match against Pescara, I can remember everything because it changed my life. We won this match. Fabio was back in the defense and center back. We played together and my life and my career changed because this coach came with me and we called it Primavera. He's the second team for us. We called it Primavera.

And then this coach, this summer, seven midfielders from Primavera went to the preseason with the first team and I was in Primavera. So I said, once they go back, I never play. This coach is a weird guy, funny guy, but, you know, strong one. He said, you're my player. You will be my player. You will play. I kept on playing. I kept on playing. And then Fabio Gabello called me after watching me with Primavera and I never go back.

That's amazing. I would like it. Fabio Capello was the first coach of the first team to give you a chance. The first guy that called me for the, you know, at the beginning was just a few practices. And I stood there a couple of months. It was the best season of our life because they won Scudetto this season. I had a couple of bench matches

And I was, you know, a tiny part of this campaign. Of course, nobody remembered me, but I remember all the emotions in the dressing room. And the season after, I was supposed to go alone, but then I stood. I played four or five matches. And the season after, again, it was trying to get Edgar Davids from Juventus. Edgar Davids, okay. And Juventus asked four or five young players to play.

to exchange with Davids then it didn't happen I don't know why and I had a couple of chance to go Chievo Empoli Regina I said no I think I will play this season everybody say are you crazy you never play full of good player Emerson, Dakur Tomasi, Zanetti no no I'm gonna play and I played 25 26 matches you know

enough for a young guy I remember the team you were talking about Liverpool played you in 2001 in the UEFA Cup and you rested a few players because you were trying to win the league Batistuta was on the bench in the UEFA Cup and then the season after we played you in the Champions League in the group stage so I remember that team Cafu was playing Candela on the left Montella Do you remember the name of the referee of this match? No, maybe not

Everybody remember Gerti Aranda. Everybody remember Gerti Aranda. So the referee, Marcus Babbel, handball. I think this was in the UEFA Cup. In UEFA Cup, so 2001. We won the, we ended up winning the trophy. So we win in Rome, 2-0. Michael Owen scores two. Go back home, get beat 1-0 and then they're putting under pressure and it's handball.

So the referee blows and points to the penalty spot. But the linesman, I think, runs to the corner flag, thinking it's a corner. And then the referee just changes his arm. Yeah, I remember that, yeah. Wow. And then we're just like, no one says, no, just carry on. They're all going crazy. This was the moment we won Roma 1 Scudetto. Because leaving the UEFA Cup, we had, you know... Concentrate on the league, yeah. Focus on the league, so...

It was easy for us. So it was a good decision. Good. Thank you. He'd happen once in every 50 years. Yeah, yeah. But it was a great role with seeing that. Yeah. Really good. Very good. Do you have a team you like in England? Is there a team you followed in England? No, I was always just... No, I followed football. Yeah, when I was young, you know, I followed a little more Manchester United. I was fascinated by you or your legacy. And I followed...

Football in England, I like, I really like this. Were you tempted to play in England? Never? I was close to come in England. Yeah, it was my first option if I leave Rome. Which club? I couldn't go. It was Man United for me. I had some chance to go in other teams, but Man United was the one that I recognized when I was younger. It was the best team in England.

And you liked it? So far, it's one of the best. Did you like it? I laughed by then. You were already old. In 2006, once we were in the airport during the World Cup, and Marcelo Lippi called me and said, come.

And I came because I was scared of him. And he called me and he opened the door and he brought me inside a small room and it was Alex Ferguson in this room. He was flying from a city to another to watch the World Cup. He said, you have to go there. I was, you know, I was shy because of him, because of Marcello Lippi as well. It was scary. It was a three minutes moment, nothing serious, but

I would like to say yes, I want to come. I want to come because Manchester United when I was young it was something. But that was the summer they signed Michael Carrick I think in the position that you would have played. Wow. And they did the right call because he was a great player. Great player. Played against him three, four times and sometimes happened a disaster for us. We lost 7-1.

3-0, 2-0. Did you score in this game? Yeah, I scored a nice goal. A nice, embarrassing goal. It was embarrassing for us. We were very good at the first leg in Rome. We won 2-1. And we thought, this is our season. This is our Champions League. Because we were better than Manchester United. And we had to go back there. A couple of injuries. We had a different team. Very good starting XI.

and less good. What was the game in Rome? Was that the Ronaldo header? No. Was that the one the year after? The game in Rome was the one that post-court got... Sent off. I cannot say. It's put, so... The red card after 20 minutes. Wow. And we were dominating the game. We were close to score other goals, but we were pretty happy about the two ones. Okay, we're going to handle it in Manchester and then...

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No, I'm not doing that. See, that was terrifying. You can watch all of the action from the boys' trip around Europe on Skymax and NOW TV. Oh, my God! Did you play for the Italian under-21? Yeah, more or less the same process. I was not started in Roma in the youth team, so, of course, I was never called for the national teams. I started in under-19 football.

after I stopped playing with the Primavera and sometimes I was with the first team and then they started calling me for under 19, under 20, under 21. We won the Euro Cup in Germany. How old was you then? It was 2004 so I was 20, almost 21. So. And then we

we had the Olympic Games this summer I went to the Olympic Games and we're getting this bronze medal yeah and the call from Marcello Lippi to the no maybe not Marcello Lippi maybe the team manager called our team manager said De Rossi tomorrow you go you go to the national team so I went back and I was

I was lucky because every time was very fast. I played my first match in the national team, I was scared and I scored after three minutes. So every time it was very easy for me to get more relaxed. You have to take them chances. - Yeah. - You have to take them. A lot of players get that opportunity, they don't take it. So you obviously... My teammates said, "I'm very lucky." - Very lucky. - Yeah. - We all need luck. - Also as a coach. Juventus, AC Milan.

being relegated, points deductions, referees. How has that been in the squad? It happened right before the World Cup. We had fans chanting against all the Juventus players. They were blaming us, just like we did something bad, but the players didn't do anything. So it was weird because we were about to prepare something that can unite Unites, unite everybody.

behind us. But after we went to Germany. In Germany, there are Italian people that live there, grew up there, probably born there, but with the

Italian roots. So they didn't care about this scandal or this problem. They were with us. So they filled all the stadium, the small stadium we were practicing. And they helped us a lot. Then the World Cup started. We won a couple of matches and then everybody turned into, you know, they're good. There's some scandal, but they're not. They're good. So they pushed us until the final. What was it like being the youngest player in that squad? I was...

It was weird because I was the younger player, but I was suspended after two matches. I got a red card for a match, so I was the dumbest player in the team because I got this elbow. So I didn't enjoy all the tournament. I was, you know, spending all days praying that I have another chance, another call to play the final because I knew Marcello Lippi loved me, you know? Loved me a lot, so he always speak about me, always...

Behind me also if he was very angry. But I thought if we go in the final, also if it's difficult for a coach to put a guy that made a mess three weeks ago, I was being sure that he could give me another shot. And also the...

The assistant coach told me one day before the semi-final, if you go to the final, you will be playing. And this has happened. I'm so sorry. Okay. Have a wine or lager for me? What do you want? No, I'm not comfortable with wine during an interview. I can make...

What beer do you have? Okay, I have the beer of Castello. Can I have one of these ones? Okay. Please. Small size, please. I'll have the same. Yeah, I'll have the same. I'll have the same, yeah.

Excuse me. Can I have the big size? Grande. I'm going to keep it for the whole time. Yeah, no, I'll keep it for the whole time. Was he the best coach you played under, Marcello Lippi? Oh, Marcello Lippi was a great coach. He can handle the group. He can, you know, he always find the...

the right word in the right moment. Sometimes it was very tough, very, very hard to accept. Just like, you know, many of the old coaches. But sometimes it was very, very sweet.

With me, he alternates the stick and the character. That's what we say in Roma. I don't know if it's like this for you. And of course, he was a very good coach. Technically, tactically, he was very, very smart. But he creates an atmosphere that helped us to win 100% because the squad was full of champs.

I'm not talking about me. We're talking about Totti, Nesta, Navarro. Great characters, great personalities. But everybody was pushing together the same way this generation had to win this

this trophy because they were very close to win the Euro Cup in 2000 I guess and they were beating the 2002 against Korea in another weird game so they deserve to win this match I hope I'm happy

I'm happy I was part of this great group of guys. - You took one of the penalties, huh? - Yeah, I was so scared. I was thinking, I was walking to the penalties point and I was thinking about my parents. - Wow. - Because they suffer from the red card, the criticism from the journalists, they suffer for it. And they were in this place in my neighborhood close to the beach, everybody was, the huge screen.

If I, you know, if I'm, you know, people staring at them. And fortunately I scored. That was, was a tough moment. It's maybe the only moment I can remember easily, clearly, because I have many memories fading away because it's 20 years ago. So, but I didn't celebrate because I wasn't doing the doping and I couldn't,

Peace. Can I say peace? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. So I was in the game. You have to do the going. I was in this small dressing room with Cannavaro. They brought us the cup, two seconds, and then they brought it back. And then I had this memory about the penalty. It was very, very intense.

And then the celebration on the beach, the day after we were drank. So I can't remember anything. We were on this, you know, open bus here in Rome. One million fans. It was nice. It was nice, but maybe too early in my career. You think? Yeah, maybe too early.

I could enjoy more if he was closer to me now. Obviously, you took a penalty in the 2000 World Cup. Yeah, I took one. I missed one. My parents are still getting staked. LAUGHTER

You got brought on with one minute to go to take a penalty. Yeah. Without kicking the ball on the pitch. You never touched the ball, did you? No. Yeah, but that's the strange thing, being somebody on take a penalty who's not pandit. Exactly. Well, you know what it was? We did a penalty competition in training and he won the penalty competition in training. Yeah.

And he took the penalty. So you had a good, obviously you had a good technique to you anyway. It's not as if you're... I mean, he scored the first, he scored the one and then they had to take it again, didn't they? Yeah. Why did you have to take it again? Because the referee hadn't blew his whistle. But I'd taken two penalties for Liverpool in shootouts and scored both of them. And I'd always done the same thing. I'd had a long run, put the ball down, turned round...

Can you understand? Yeah. I'm very, very comfortable in your mind. What's it called? Just nod your head. I'm not missing any word. And I sort of walked back and when I turned around, I went, you know, so I'd run with pace to put my pace on the path and I'd just done that for Liverpool. So I didn't do anything different. So I don't know if the referees didn't blow the whistle or did.

in the shootout at Liverpool and I just so I just turned around and just went Jesus and then when I put her in I think the keeper was stood there like at what point does the referee I tried to blow the whistle they must have been to put the ball down surely no no you put the ball down you put the ball down and then you wait yeah is it the referee blows the whistle then he put then it's up to you it's not I mean you put the ball down then you go back then they let you blow yeah yeah he waits for you to go back you know

Thank you. Maybe the keeper was doing all that mind game stuff. Yeah, it worked. Who's the key? Who was it? Portugal. Yeah, Cristiano scored a winning penalty. Yeah, yeah. Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard missed as well. Yeah, OK. Good call for that. He looks like a beer man. Thank you. Yeah, probably with penalties. England, yeah, yeah. We won a couple of times against them. It's good when you're Irish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're sure, yeah.

they have problems with penalties. Did you, when you said, if it goes to penalties, we're going to win? Not really, not really, but we played twice against England in the Euro Cup and we won twice at penalties. Once in Ukraine. Yeah. 2012. 2012. I was a coach at the time. Ah, okay. I got injured at 97 minutes, but I played this match and we won, we won the penalty, we missed the first one and we won twice.

- In Wembley. - Yes. - In the final. - Yes. - Who was the midfielder? That's who's, Pelé was playing with you. - Yeah. - And who else was playing in midfield? - I think, Marchisio. - Marchisio, yeah. - Yeah. - Or Montolivo as well. - Yeah. - Also, Tiago Motta was there in this team. And in my place, come on Nacerino. We had a good team. We had a good team. We lost. We were being beaten badly against Spain in the final. Different than the other quarter final because they were much better than us.

But this match we were better than England, I guess. - You were. - England were. - You kept the ball off of the court. - Very defensive, if I can remember. Huge player, amazing player. Gerrard and... Yeah, I mean, you've won the World Cup, you've played in another final against Spain, Italy won the Euro four years ago. What do you feel when you look at England as a country? What do you feel England lack to go and win a trophy?

Sometimes it's about to have a two-meter goalkeeper in the goal during the penalties. Yes. Donnarumma. I shoot once against Donnarumma penalty in San Siro and I couldn't see the net. If he goes the right way, he's probably going to sleep. You can blame a coach, you can blame a player, you can blame... But it's all about this. They could be more probably...

courageous after they scored after three minutes because, you know, the stadium was crazy, crazy, crazy atmosphere. And they scored after three minutes and probably they stopped to play a little earlier and we got back on our level because we had good players. If we leave us the ball with Jorginho, Verratti, all these players, Bonucci, of course, and then it happened. It can happen, something like this, but it kept...

keep playing with all these, you know, counteracted players like Saga, like, I don't know, probably Grealish was in the match. Rashford was there. Rashford, yeah. Rashford, so probably they can score the second time and we were dead. And after we equalized, everything has changed so we can smell the, we can smell the fear. Wow, that's amazing. Thank you.

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No, I won't do that. See, that was terrifying. You can watch all of the action from the boys' trip around Europe on Skymax and Now TV. Oh, my God! You know, this area, obviously, it's very Roma area. You thought he come from this area? Yeah, he grew up, I think, in this road. Yeah? But, of course, in this area, in this neighborhood, it's called San Giovanni, it's very popular, it's very full of Romanisti. I think there's many other restaurants like this in Roma. Mm.

I never visit some of them because when it's open, I can't come here. But this is a big one. What would they do? If you came here when it was open, the fans would just be all over you? I never experienced this. I think it can be a mess. I live in the city centre, actually. I'm the only player that lives in the city centre. Since I was a player, I choose to live here.

because I leave the town and after, you know, a couple of millions of pictures and autographs, now I'm leaving, you know, the perfect way because I live close to St. Peter's, so full of stranger, interesting, you know, religion, Pope, and they don't care about football. So you move out of the city now? I leave 10 minutes from here, 10 minutes with the bike. Romo Lacio, we'd like to maybe come to the Derby. Amazing. When do you play him? Is it soon or...?

We play in January. It's amazing if you're not part of this. It's very intense. It's very important for us, especially because of the reason we were talking about before. We don't win. Lazio neither. Lazio maybe in the early 2000s had a very good team, like us, but they had a very good team. They won...

Cup winner. Cup winner's cup. They won it in England. Yeah, yeah. I think I've been a part. They won the Super Cup against Man United. They have a very good team. But now it's seven, six years. We're not able to win trophies. So derby is still something very important for the fans, for the town. It's not nice, but sometimes you win derbies and you get more relaxed and say, OK, we won the derby. My first derby as a coach. And after three days, I guess, we had the quarterfinal against Milan.

And nobody cared about... No one cared? No, no. They did it, but, you know, we did. We did the important part. Then see about how, you know, the cherry on the cake, it can be against Milan, but they'll be moved...

a lot of public opinion, public interest. And of course, it's exactly the opposite for Lazio. They lost and they're supposed to be the worst team in the world and they were three, four points behind us. Wow. How is Italian football generally? How do you compare it with Spanish football, with English football? I just play here, so I don't have the tools to judge the other football, but as a watcher,

I think he's more tactical, more tactical, more defensive probably. It's harder to score here, especially because probably the players now...

England are better than the players that still play here in Italy because of all the reasons, you know, money and the business is there. But it's very hard to play against, you know, the small teams. Everybody played every single point, every single minute like it was, you know, the last match of the season. So it's hard. But of course, it's more spectacular, the English one. I think at the beginning, maybe...

20 days ago, 20 years ago, I'm sorry. It was less tactical, but now all the coaches are from Italy, Spain, wherever. So now, and also England coaches are great now.

Newcastle won, it's very good. But here in Italy, it's hard. It's hard. Sorry, guys. You stayed in Italy as a player. As a coach, are you thinking, I definitely want to coach in different countries? Yeah, of course. Yeah, definitely as a coach, a different mindset. Especially in England. Or, you know, I'd love to go back in Boca Juniors because I, you know, I left this stuff open. I want to go back to... Finish the business. What's with Boca Juniors? I know you went there as a player. You played a few games. You just...

I don't know. I grew up like this. I was, you know, watching some clips about Maradona, about the stadium. I fell in love with the stadium, with the love they have for it, probably because it's similar to what we have here, what we feel here. So I moved there and it was crazy, absolutely crazy. Crazy that...

you know, the republic, the government, everybody is talking about Boga Junior, especially, but also about, you know, football in Argentina. They live for football more than us. So it's a religion. It's really a religion. I went to the stadium. I went to, I was there on holiday and I went to Boga because I had a tour on the stadium. On the tour?

Or you watched the game? No, it was no game. It was just a tour with my family. But even that was nice. It was a nice feel for the club. I think everybody loves football so much. Did you do the River? To watch a game there. Did you witness the game with River Plate? I played. I played there in the Monumental. What was it like? Because the last year Roma is very intense. Is this one intense? It's different. It's something more intense.

It was the first match, the first Superclassico after the final of Madrid, you know, they played the final of Coppa Libertadores in Madrid, River 1. I just came after six months of this final and we were playing this match there, you know, they create just like a funeral.

Fiorano, Boga, Junior, so the fans were teasing us with crosses and coughing. And black balloons. The ones who are not jumping died in Madrid, so that's what they sang. And we were there against a very good team and we equalized nil-nil. We didn't shoot probably not even once. We killed each other. This is what

Apparently we started the match and we were aware we had just to fight because they were probably better than us, but because, you know, Boca fans after this final wanted this. So we had probably, I think, 12 yellow cards.

It was a massacre. It was nil-nil. And everybody was happy after the match. It was, hey, you fought for us. You fought for us. You really did for us. We wanted this. We didn't want nice football. We love you. And everybody was very relaxed. And the day after, the match after was 60,000 again in Bombonera.

We lost the semi-final of Coppa Libertadores against River Plate again. We lost 2-0 there and we won 1-0 at home. And at the end of the match, I probably experienced the best love demonstration of my life. We fought. River was better than us. We fought until 95 minutes and they stood and...

Loving everybody, singing this song that is, I have Boga in my blood, I don't know how to explain it. It's a song they always sang. And they were crying. You can see the faces crying because we lost, but they were proud of us. It was a mutual respect, mutual love, and it was incredible. I love these people. It's incredible.

Wow. I'd love to go and watch a game over there. I would like to do that. That's probably one of the derbies. Obviously, Roma-Latsi derby I'd like to watch. Road trip. Road trip. Yeah, yeah. Do a road trip. Yes. Putting that out there. In January. In January. We'll cut it. Yeah, yeah. The weather's nice. We should, yeah. We should do that. This is amazing, huh? Oh.

Do you look at Pap? Do you think Pap, do you like the way Pap seems? Yeah, I love him. I love him. He's different than anyone else for me. Of course, he always coached very good teams as well, but he's different. He created something perfect in Barcelona and he was able to, you know, modify it in Monaco as well and also in Man City, they

It's not that different. I think he can do the same also in a smaller club. You think? Yeah, I think so. Because people say a lot that they would like to see him with a low team in the league. Would Pep be able to do what he's doing with a low team? Because what he does is, your football intelligence has to be very, very high.

with Pep to do what he's doing. So this is why people say if he's doing it with a team... But he's smart. He's never going to walk with a low team, is he? You know what I'm saying? Do you think he'll come to Italy? Do you think he will come to Italy to completely... Once he said he wanted to come here to show everybody that, you know... Yeah. Another step of his career. I'm not sure he wants to leave Man City. If you find a situation like this... Yeah. You have everything, you know. You have 10...

catalani catalani managers in the in the club everybody you feel at home you have money to spend on the players you recognize as the one that changed the the club life so it'd be good to be with the last year huh no i think he will be you know the target of one of the biggest clubs in italy juve intermedian very soon i played with him six months

And it was Roma. He played in Roma. He played in Roma six months, then he ran away because we were playing different football with Capello. He had some, you know, arguments with him. Did he have arguments with Capello? No, no, no, I didn't. He did. He didn't agree with some style. It was not easy to have arguments with Capello because he was a surgeon. He was a fair and tough guy.

And yeah, they don't probably like each other. But not like person, like, you know, the football idea of Capello was very close to our Italian old school. And Pep was already starting, you know, his new chapter. He was very close to end his career and probably he was thinking about what he can be this team or this football. Was he at Brescia before? I think he went to Brescia. Brescia. Then he moved to Roma. Did he go to Mexico? No.

after that? No, he went to Brescia. Then he moved to Roma, six months, and he ran away from Roma and he goes to Brescia again. Yeah. And, yeah, he's supposed to start one match and he told me, I'm leaving, you're playing, and I made my debut against Como. Yes. 2003, January 2003. It was a good team, mate. It was, you know,

and, you know, humble and always happy to share his thoughts about football. He was talking about football, two touches, two touches. We were fighting every single tackle and pass and he was trying to explain us what probably he already had in his mind. That's amazing. When did you realise, I want to coach? Did you always want to coach? Very early. My father is a coach. My father was coached at the academy in Roma since I was...

maybe nine. He coached the Primavera this year for 20 years. I love the way he's a youth sector coach. I'm different than him. He's more calm, he's relaxed. He's the perfect coach for the young guys. And I want to be another kind of coach, but I always fell in love with his image of coaching. So I always thought I will be a coach. And in my last three, four years of football career,

I always thought about, you know, how I can prepare this match differently than this coach. How it can be more, you know, important. Where we can play. What is wrong with this strategy. I start coaching in my mind. I never step back.

over the coach. Yes. But I always, you know, have my opinion. Sometimes I share with them. I had very good coaches in my career. I had Spalletti, Di Francesco, Luis Enrique, Conte, of course, Lippi and all the old school. They taught me many things.

But you have to be your own man as well. You have to make your own decisions. Yeah. You can learn from other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because football changed. If I take the same advice that Capello and Lippi gave me 20 years ago, it can be, you know, something that doesn't exist anymore. You know, football is changing and you have to take the same advice and, you know, modify them to make them fit with this style of football and with this style of guys because it's a new generation. They are very...

close to the phones to build up a group is more difficult than build up you know an action or a play or a strategy we created rules for the players around phones or when they can use them or when not to use them are we just leaving to trust them and

We inherited something old last season and we didn't want to, you know, to create mess. I like it, eh? It's six o'clock. They pretend to be night, but six o'clock, I can't eat carbonara at six o'clock. It was very good. It was very good. Good discipline. Good discipline, eh? Very good.

No, we didn't want to, you know, to create some confusion the past season, but it's pointless to take money out of them because they have enough money to pay all the fines. So they don't care about this. I had a guy that said, OK, OK, well, how much is 100 euro? OK, I sleep 20 more minutes, I sleep half an hour more. So you run.

If you're late, you go to another pitch and you run. If you're late the first time, it's okay. Second time, it's okay, but it's the last call. And from the third time, at the end of the practice, you run. It's the thing that everybody hates. So you run, you run. I don't care if it's not good for your body. You need to be in time. He was always there for training at Arsenal. Yes, he used to be.

I always said it. Maybe we'll get him on one time. We had a massive argument with him because one time he went on the radio and I said, Tony, I phoned him up. I said, Tony, why are you saying that? I came late. I didn't come late. He's telling people. He said, sorry, you know, there's a lot of the guys there and I was, you know, I was showing off. I got laddish. I said, yeah, but people always say it to me. He says it to me all the time now.

I wasn't late. I wasn't late all the time. I don't like that no more. It's not even funny. You were late in Russia when you were going for a walk. We were going for lunch. No, I drove. Do you want some? Do you want some? Do you want some? This is brilliant.

It's hard though to create rules when they think about it. But they've got too much money. How do you punish them? No, you want the right coach. The rules have got to come from the players. They've got to set the right... Yeah. They've got to manage it. Yeah. People have to be held to account. We used to find each other

We had the fine system set up if we were late and then we'd give the money to the staff that were... Charity. Charity of the staff, yeah. So what kind of fines would you impose? How much money? I think near the end it was £100 a minute. So if you weren't on the bikes, so the bikes in the morning at quarter past ten and then if you're out on the training pitch at quarter to eleven maybe, if you were late for either of those it's £100 a minute.

So, yeah, you could tell me it's like a thousand pounds. I mean, it's a heavy fine. Gary was on 200,000 a week. He could change, yeah. It's not true. How many times were you sent off? Was it red cards? As a coach? No, as a player. Was it a lot? Not...

It wasn't, no, it was not a lot. More or less, average one per season. How many times has it happened? When it happened. Roy, Roy. We need a lie detector machine. Roy was 13. 13 times. 13. No, I think less than this, but when it happened, it was very, you know, how can I say, evident. You know, very, you know, punches or elbows or some bad takos like him. And...

sometimes happened that the referee didn't didn't see this so before there was no VAR so sometimes it happened that I was on the on the screen first page of yeah on the screen on the newspapers but nobody nobody booked me off so

Sometimes, not many, but it was very, very, nobody can forget some of this bullshit I did. So it's like this. I was like this at the end of my career. I was more calm. In the bench, I'm more or less calm. I just get one yellow card.

I don't argue with other coaches. One card every game? No, no, no. My whole career. Never sent off as a coach. Good. But as a player, I was, you know, at the early stage of my career, I was a pro. Are you physically okay after being your player? Any injuries from when you played? Any problems, knee, hips? Yeah. Yeah, I finished my career because of my cartilage. You say cartilage? Yeah.

I had a hole in my knee. I got back on the pitch in my last year here in Rome, but I wasn't okay. I was okay, but for one training, I have to be in the training ground at 7 o'clock doing three hours of preparation to make 20 minutes of Rondo. So I said, maybe it's enough. Then they decided to...

not renew my contract. I was a little upset, but I think it was the right call because I left in one of the best seasons of my career. The season before we had semifinal of Champions League after beat, you know, Barcelona. And it was a couple of very good season. The last season I had some injury, but

I was good. I was one of the best players in the team and they decided what I was not, you know, maybe ready or able to decide and they made me a favour probably because I finished and I retired in Roma when I was a player. When I was, you know, I was 10-0. You didn't embarrass yourself. It looks like the people are gathering now. I heard you're here. That's absolutely amazing. Thank you very much. Great to see you. Thanks for taking the time.

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