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Well, I don't want to say too much. Let's just see what happens.

Never know. Great to have you with us. Also with us, the ex-West Ham and Aston Villa midfielder. Compliments of the season, Nigel Ryokoka. Good evening, gentlemen. Compliments of the season back to you guys. How was it? It was good. It was good. You know, Christmas is all for the kids, mate. I just like the simple things, me. Just spending time with the family.

I'm not as flash or fashionable as Brownie. I'm surprised he isn't wearing a Chanel jumper next to you. But you know what? That's perfect timing, actually, because in a group chat the other day, I seen you sat back sort of showboating a little bit. So I don't want to go into too much detail, but I thought, you know, you've come for me and I just didn't even have to react, did I? I just say, well,

you know proof is in the pudding Nigel I've at least got a Christmas jumper on Brownie at least a Christmas Christmas was two days ago Michael Brown's too industrious for that do you know what we do Christmas jumpers have been on it's good we're still celebrating I'm happy to have one I can't see you though I can't see you going on we'll get visuals on Nigel in a minute do we have to

Well, yeah, why not? As always, though, we start this programme with your Kevin Campbell happiest moment of the week in honour of our late great friend. So I want to know what the best thing that's happened to you since we last spoke is, Michael. Well, I don't know if Nigel agrees. One thing that was interesting, in the post, I opened this parcel and in it, and it's special to the show as well, it was a T-shirt dedicated to who on earth is Glenn Murray?

Everybody got sent one. Why are you not wearing it? Everybody got sent one. I should have put it on, shouldn't I? You should have. So sorry. Everyone got sent one. Who on earth is Glenn Murray? Because the famous quote from...

Noel Gallagher himself. But yeah, and this show knows all about it. Nigel, you won't have received yours yet. Yours will probably come in a few weeks. I just did receive mine today, this morning. I thoroughly agree with Brownie. That made me chuckle so much when I got it because I didn't know what to expect. When I opened it and I saw it, I couldn't stop laughing. It was so funny. I think, because you can get it. I think it's in that house. I think you'd be able to show Aaron it. Can we have a look? In due course, maybe we can have a look at it, get it sent to you.

But another one... We can get it up on social media. We can get it up. We can have a look. We can show. There's a few of the guys all got them, which was interesting. Glen Murray's gone a bit quiet. But he's took a bit of step for that. I hope they sort of like, you know, knock up a second batch because I'd love one. Yeah, we'll see. You know what's funny about that as well? When I got the package and I opened it, my father-in-law was over for Christmas. I opened it and he read it. He goes...

Who is Glenn Murray? Nigel, you can't, you can't use that as your Kevin Campbell happiest moment of the week, but let's have yours. For me, honestly, it's just, honestly, just spending time with the kids. That's all it is. I haven't really done too much recently, just been working, but being home with the kids and my youngest is walking around now and,

she's getting closer to my second youngest, Roman, and she's giving him a hug and kiss and stuff like that. Just seeing that is just nice. Do you know what, Nige? I was asked the question, I'm thinking, right, I'm going to go with the standard answer of the kids coming down the stairs, seeing the presence, et cetera. It is amazing, isn't it? Yeah. It is the highlight. Just going off a token there on about Glenn Murray, but the highlight was...

when the children are seeing the presence, et cetera, it's a magic moment. And I think whoever it is, I think when you have children seeing that, it's a great moment. Absolutely. Thank you for your entries on that. We're going to kick off the programme by talking Liverpool, who are sitting pretty at the summit of the Premier League. They're seven points clear at Chelsea with a game in hand after beating Leicester 3-1 at Anfield last night, which followed Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at home to Fulham. 22 games unbeaten in all competitions. Look,

they look like they're well set to go on and win the title from here Michael if you were to grade Arna Slott's first major term in charge at Liverpool how would you grade it?

I think we were waiting in anticipation to what he could bring, how he could change, how he could put his little sort of stamp on the team. And you did feel, I don't know if Nigel agrees, that it was going to take him time. It was probably be a, I mean, if I'm from memory, sort of third, fourth was the expectation levels for this season just to see how he went.

I think that with the start they had, it was a comfortable start for them. They're gaining confidence, they're gaining belief. He got hold of the players, he tweaked a few things around. They didn't rush in the transfer market and haven't they done so well? Yes, other teams I think have given them extra confidence by not performing and putting the pressure on.

But they were asked questions of a real serious run, weren't they? End of October into November. And they've just delivered not only in the Premier League, the Champions League. And I think they've been so impressive. And we see as well at times they're going behind in games. They react, they're calm, they're patient. And I think he's interviewing very, very well. And I think now with the team behind him, I think there's reinforcements on the way as well.

And I think that tells you everything. So in a great position and you'd be amazed now, Nigel, wouldn't you? If they could slip, like how can they slip up from this? We're now Chelsea easing off as well. Yeah, I think for me, Brown, I'd have to give him an A because the thing, when you look at everything that's happened with how high and the connection that Jurgen Klopp had with the fans and such big shoes to fill in, no one had any expectations of what Arnie Slott would do and how quickly his impact would be. And no one really did even look or say anything

that Liverpool would be competing for the Premier League title this year. You know, if anyone says that, they're lying. They didn't have them as favourites. I think there was an expectation of at least a top four finish. But how he's gone in there and got the players to buy into it. And when you look at their performances, there have been times when they haven't performed so great, but they've still got the result. And every player is performing at such a high level that I always look at teams to say, where's the weakness, Brownie?

I don't see a weakness in this Liverpool team. I think, yes, Canarte has been a big miss, but when you've got the likes of Van Dijk and what he brings in the modern game of football, his natural leadership, you would think that some teams might try and target Gomez or anything like that. But every player that's come into the team has performed with a belief that if I play well, I'll stay in the team. I think what they've done as well is when you've had Alisson out for a long period of time,

the team have still performed so you're only carrying one that wouldn't be a natural type thing one or two no more than that so I think that's where they've been able to manage I'm just wondering is there anything you think that he's done in particular that

Do you know, because we've seen Jurgen Klopp go from back to front very quickly, wide areas, crosses, and then he started to play a little bit more, bringing Trent inside and tried to be a little bit more patient in the build-up. I thought the midfield area, Nigel, was always the one that just didn't make them right at the top, you know? Nigel, what I've heard from Liverpool fans is, very simply, they do the basics very, very, very well. But also...

under Jurgen Klopp, this heavy metal football, gegenpress, whatever you want to call it, at some points it was like being a bit of an over-exhausted sort of Alsatian. You run around and sometimes it doesn't quite work and when it works, it's beautiful. But with Arne Slott, it just seems a lot more basic, a lot more stripped back, but a lot more controlled. I think we have to be really cautious. I think I'm not going to sit here and start saying,

Arne Slott's doing this and Jurgen Klopp didn't because what he brought to the football club was absolutely incredible, by the way, for a long period of time. Then he started the adjustment when it didn't go so well. I think the recruitment was excellent under his tenure, that's for certain. He's got a long way to go. It's a new backroom staff, it's a new director of football, it's a new ownership, etc., with regards to how they're going to run things. But the new manager's set it alight, he's going really well.

But, you know, it's a long journey. I think that's what we've got to look at. But it's a wonderful start. Shall we hear from the Liverpool manager, Arnist Lot? He says he's not getting carried away with the Reds' great position. I think if you're in this game for a long time, like these players are and I am as well, then you know 20 games before the end, you don't look at it the way you know. So many challenges are still ahead of you. I think it was two months ago that we were one point behind City.

and look what has happened there in terms of injuries, and then you have a bit of bad luck and you had a suspension. This can happen to any team, so it's far too early to already be celebrating, but it is of course nice for us to be the team who we are, so we know we are able to do this, but you've been at all these games like me,

And I don't think there was any easy win for us during all these games. It could have been an easy win against Tottenham. But then we conceded two and it was 5-3 and I was still like, OK, I was quite happy with us scoring the sixth goal. So that tells you how difficult it is to win if all your players are available, let alone if somewhere during the season you pick up some injuries or suspensions. And that's why...

We just have to take it one game at a time. This is the 21st time, by the way, Liverpool have been top of the league on Christmas Day. The most of any side, they've gone on to win the title in 11 of those previous 20 seasons. Nigel, I'm going to come out and ask you straight away because you can't whack me or anything like that when I do. Are they going to win the Premier League? Are they going to see this through?

I would say, and I've said it before, I said it a few weeks ago, the title is in their hands. It's theirs to lose. But I just don't think that the Premier League title race is completely over. I feel that there's other teams that can upset anyone on their given day. And I think you have to show a lot of respect to Forrest

who are the only ones that have handed Liverpool their loss so far this season. But on their day, the likes of Brighton, Newcastle now starting to find form, Aston Villa on their day. I feel that there's still other teams who can upset. Yeah, but to win the title, they can upset them for a week.

or get some results. But can Liverpool honestly lose this title? They can, yeah. They can lose the title, yes. Because there's a lot of things that can go on. I still feel that Arsenal are the dark horse. So Arsenal are the ones you think can have that run, Niles? That's what you're saying? I think Arsenal can have that run. I think Chelsea are overachieving in the sense of they're exceeding expectations of what they wanted to achieve this year, which is great. They're a young, youthful side.

Arsenal have the experience and I still feel they're only one or two pieces away. So they're the ones that can do it. But again, they're still reliant on other people's results on who you face, who you come up against in the sense of the likes of the Newcastles, the Villas and the Forest who can actually upset that. But yeah,

I do believe it's in Liverpool's hands and it will be down to them if they lose this Premier League title. He's just eyeing up. He's being mischievous here. Nigel, we're used to this on this show, aren't we, right? Did all these guys... Right. How are Liverpool going to lose it, right? He's just... He's just privy with a little smile on his face. And you know what's happening about the three... The treble... The treble... The three players in a little while. That's probably going to come out of it as well. Katie's not producing tonight. So look, there's no VAR tonight. It's okay. We'll see. Not interested. Um...

Mo Salah said it feels different, this lead at the top of the table. A few years ago, what was the slogan? This means more. We are Liverpool. This means more. It feels like, you know, everything PR wise, if you know what I mean, it's just angling towards them winning the league. It just feels like it.

He's heading right in that direction. I think what's interesting, I think we have to be cautious with some of Mo Salah's words that he does say at this moment. Ah, I was going to cut. See, you thought you got off lightly with me. No, I know he's coming. I know where you're going. He doesn't say much, does he? But we have to listen when he does.

And that's one of the reasons why he says it feels different. I'm not too sure about that. It probably feels more comfortable than it ever has in Niles, wouldn't it? I think that would be the point. They must be so confident in that dressing room. He's confident, but also, like you said, he speaks not so often, but when he does speak, it's for a reason and the purpose. And if you're Mo Salah right now, your stock is at the highest level it's ever been. You're putting out there your contract situation at Liverpool. And let's be real that...

There are going to be other suitors and financially, I'm sure he can be paid whatever it is that him and his family... Who can he go to? Instead of Liverpool, who can he go to? I mean... Do you know what I mean? That's what we're looking at now, aren't we? We're saying, right, as a footballer, he's in that position.

He's loved. He's adored. What's next for him? I mean, the thing for me is, you know, there's going to be interest from Paris Saint-Germain. And then if he does go on the free, you've got the Saudi Pro League. There's so much. But the thing is, you know what it's like, Brownie, when your stock's high as a player, you're basically on top of the world. And that's what Mo Salah's looking at right now. He's contract situation at Liverpool. He's playing absolutely sensational football that no one can question his commitment to the club.

Is he still doing it? He is doing it. Probably one of the best in the Premier League right now, doing everything. You're one of the biggest clubs in the world football right now. So everything is in your favour. So that's why he's saying he's feeling different. You know what it's like as a player when you have that confidence and everything you're doing is going into the back of the net. Don't you just hate the internet sometimes, social media? Six months ago, people were saying, oh, he's finished. He's finished. Look at him now. It's a world beater. He always has been. You don't score that amount of goals.

without being a top, top, top end player. You need your team though. I think that's the point. You need your team to be firing. There's not many who can do it at the level we're talking about. To be elite, we're talking about

Ballon d'Or top players in the world you need your team to be at the top of the league performing week in week out really to carry you through I think that's for certain and I think his team have delivered I think he had mixed performances I think probably his relationship with Jurgen Klopp wasn't great towards the end I think that's an obvious one but I think he's done incredible he's just slipped under the radar got on with his job started getting goals and then

the next chapter is the one that's going to be so clinical for them. It's not just him, is it? It's Trent Alexander-Arnold and it's Virgil van Dijk. Here is the treble. There you go. Four days to go until New Year and four days until they can speak to foreign clubs. And the conversation I had with our producer today and the only question we could really ask is will talk of their future hinder this potential title bid? I don't know.

I'll tell you now, and Nigel, whether you agree or not, them talks are on the way, aren't they? They're already rolling. They already know who wants to do it. We'll say, well, we'll wait till January. They're already way into that. I don't know if you agree, Nigel, those three players will have a really good idea right now what their next move is. Would you agree with that? 100%. I think that's been done from way before. We've been in dress rooms, we've been in these situations with clubs and clubs

You know when you're wanted and when you're not wanted. There's always conversations going on for a long period of time, especially these players of that calibre and level. They don't going to leave it till the last minute. Conversations have been going on. I personally feel that they all still credit to them as characters individually. They have still performed for Liverpool. Yeah.

That is what people have to pay attention to. They've still performed at the highest level every time they've represented that club. And I've said it before, for me, the biggest one that I would think is the most important one to keep is Van Dijk. I think Van Dijk is the most important one to keep out of the three. Nigel, would you say now of every other club, they will pretty much have had the offers in,

that is going to be their other option. They might not have had the final deal out of Liverpool, but would you have said pretty much...

they would have had offers off other clubs internationally and they know exactly where they are. Oh, 100%. I think other clubs would have been speaking to the representatives already and said, this is what you can get, this is what you're going to get. And they already know what they can get outside of Liverpool. But again, credit to what Arnie Slott's done in the sense of the culture that he's created at Liverpool from taking over in such a short time to get them to continue to perform. Because we've seen these situations before where other players...

performances drop and they get sympathy from the fans to say, oh, it's the club's fault. You know, how are we not signing them up? And then their head's not in performing anymore. You know, they're not doing so well. But these guys have been doing it and they know already outside of Liverpool of where potentially they could go. Just to say for me, Brownie, I think the Trent Alexander-Arnold one, I'm a massive Trent fan. I think for me, he's world class, regardless of what people say. And what he does in the attacking sense is,

He is a fantastic player. And I feel with him, it's the right time for him to move on from Liverpool for a new challenge. Why is that not agreed then? So do you think we could see that very shortly? I think the hardest thing when you're running your contract, you don't want to announce that you're leaving at the end of the season type scenario. You want to run that as long as possible because we've seen that other times that becomes...

difficult. The only thing you would say is in Liverpool's position right at the top, it's much more palatable at the moment now if they're finding that answer out. Yeah, I think that's what it is though, isn't it? Because they're being successful and leading the Premier League. So all of that type of stuff is kind of underrated. It'll be a different conversation we're having

If Liverpool weren't leading the Premier League table and they were maybe in sixth and seventh and not looking so good. So it would be more difficult. But now it's palatable because they're playing well. They're top of the Premier League table. The title is theirs to lose right now. And it's going to be interesting to see how they handle this situation.

Absolutely. You can hear Liverpool's next Premier League game away at West Ham live on Five Lives Premier League Sunday from a quarter past five this coming weekend. As for Chelsea, their 14-game unbeaten run came to an end with their first home defeat to Fulham since 1979. Enzo Maresca has consistently said Chelsea aren't title contenders.

Was this result a reality check? Yeah, it's a big reality check. I've played in those games for Fulham and Chelsea have obviously dominated for many, many years. And we finally...

got a win at the cottage and it does mean something and those Fulham supporters winning against a much improved Chelsea side we know that I think the amount of quality that they have in the building I think in a short space of time I think he's done a really really good job they've got an identity a way of playing and understanding and we start to expect so much because of that and we just get slightly carried away that now Chelsea are title challengers they're going to have a

A little bit of a hiccup at times. I think that's only expected. But this is a difficult one to take, isn't it? On the Fulham side, they were going so well, which we might discuss later. I was going to say, do we need to put more respect to Marco Silva and Fulham's name? Because Chelsea are a good side. But Fulham, I mean, you don't get to this stage of the season being where they are in the league by pretending. Do you know what? He's gained experience, hasn't he, Marco Silva? He's had his ups and downs. I think he's done so well with the football club.

I think at times as well, the football club behind the scenes, they have a really strong leadership group who know the way around the transfer market. They know the way how to get players and to do deals. And sometimes, unfortunately, it's been a little bit late for the coaching staff, management, et cetera. They lost Luis Boa Morte, Poligno. So that's important people in the building. And then you're wondering how they're going to go and get on this season. And I think they've just been incredible. I think that just gives them, winning this game...

a huge confidence boost and they've been playing really good attractive football I think that's the point I think Robinson I said last year I was interviewing Marco and he's gone I said Robinson just before I went on air and he went shh

Don't say anything about him. Let's just run it a little bit longer. And how well, you know, it's great to see that type of result for Fulham because they're always in the shadow of Chelsea. We will talk about Fulham in the second half of the show, I promise, because, I mean, I love talking about them. I love watching them. They're a great side. But just on what Michael said about identity, Nigel, and Chelsea, and bringing Enzo Maresca in, rather than going for a huge name where they're expecting...

instantaneous trophies. You know the noise out of Clear Lake, the owners of Chelsea? It's been very quiet this season because...

It feels like they've kind of left Maresca to his own devices to actually go out and coach and do the job he's paid for. They have. But then the thing is, I was going to say this to Brownie as well. When you talk about Maresca and everything he's saying now that we're not ready for the Premier League title, he can say all he wants. I don't buy into that. I believe that this is a manager that's very confident in his ability and who he is because you don't go into a club like Chelsea...

and make the tough decisions that he did at the start of the season when he was getting rid of players and tough decisions had to be made. This is my team and how firm and the beliefs that he had when he made those decisions. And then all of a sudden now you're exceeding expectation, which is a fair point. No one expected a change and turnaround to happen so quickly. But again, I feel he's a manager that's being very smart when it comes to what he says to the media and how he says it. Because at the start of the season, there was no expectation on us.

I don't look at Moresca as a manager who thinks that, okay, this is good enough. I believe deep down right now, he feels that he could win the Premier League title. The only reason why he's not coming out and saying it is because he doesn't want that pressure to fall onto the players. Because the way the trajectory of Chelsea with how quickly he's turned it around, I think has come as a surprise to a lot of people, maybe a few that are not so surprised. But I believe the way he is, everything he's said,

He's not doubted himself and he's just trying to keep the pressure off the players. Now, do you think it's helped him with the ownership slowing down with transfers and the chaos of so many players doesn't seem to be as bad? Or do you think you still have that control? Or do you think that's out of his hands? Has he got the power to...

to sort of identify anybody? I mean, that's the only thing. I'm not sure what's next. It's just around the corner. I think, Brownie, you know as well that sometimes when we talk about managers and coaches, there's conversations that managers have with the hierarchy, with owners and people in power. And it's how you are as a manager and how you come across as a coach is

that the decision makers or the people above you would say, you know what, he seems fully in control. He's got an idea of what he is and everything as well as translating what he's telling us in the performances that we trust him.

So I think that he's such a strong character and believes in himself so much. That's why it's so quiet at Chelsea, because he's fully letting them know, I'm in control. He's made big decisions. It's turned out well, and it's working for him. He's keeping all these players happy at the moment. They're performing. There's a belief that,

and everything's turned around. So as an owner or as a director of football, these people make decisions. Why would you not give him that more space and freedom to be in control and lead them in the direction where he feels that things should be? So that's what I feel with that. I just feel that he's such a strong character that,

He's the one that's going to be making a lot of decisions in players and stuff now. And why would you interfere with that with how well they're doing? And you can hear Chelsea's next Premier League game away at Ipswich, live from Portman Road on Five Live from a quarter to eight on Monday evening. Let's focus in now on Nottingham Forest. Nuno Espirito, Santos side have a five point advantage on Newcastle and Liverpool.

Bournemouth, a four straight league win for the tricky trees, Michael. The wins are Man United away, Villa at home, Brentford away, Tottenham at home. None of which you'd regard as straightforward. Big wins, good wins. Absolutely flying, aren't they? With confidence, with belief.

I've seen it a couple of times recently. When Nuno first went in, there was question marks asked, wasn't there? Whether it was the right decision, took him a little bit of time. Tons of players, again, to weave through to see how he was going to go and get on. But that sort of back line has a consistency about it. I think the forward line has pace. Chris Wood at the top of the pitch being that figurehead and getting on the end of absolutely everything. Langer's been a real plus point as well. That's for certain. Morgan Gibbs-White.

he's got everything we'll see where his career is going to go but it's just amazing where they are in the league how well they've done confidence is obviously key for them how far can they go that's the question you're going to ask and it's on this show we've got to be so careful because every time we say something about someone sort of performing so well they do have a natural drop off we've done it with so many so

I don't want to say too many things, but hopefully it'll continue. I've enjoyed watching Forrest. You're just trying to maintain your friendship. There you go. He's sitting on the fence because he's trying to maintain his friendship. I'm not here to actually have a go at it. How can I sit here? Are you going to have a go at it then, Nigel? Come on. You like a punchy quote. Come on. What have you got to say? Is Nuno the wrong man? Is it gives white to go? I really want Nigel to come out and say this. It's sacking.

Nigel Milenkovic and Maria at the back

Unbelievable pairing, aren't they? They've been the foundation. Yates in front, a real cornerstone of what Forrest are trying to do. Yeah, Milenkovic has been a great signing. Came from Fiorentina, 27-year-old Serbian. Like he's literally taken to the Premier League like duck to water. He really has been a solid partnership and something that people didn't really put an eye on. I think, Brownie, I don't know if you'd agree with this because we talk about balance and teams and you being a midfielder.

I also think Yates and Anderson in midfield is a perfectly balanced midfield pairing. You look at Yates being the physical element, ball winner, and Anderson giving a bit more freedom to get forward and create things. I think that balance in midfield for Forrest is something that people don't talk a lot about. When you look at Liverpool, you talk about Gravenbeck and McAllister,

Yates and Anderson, I think, give this Forest side the same kind of balance in that midfield area. I think he's been a great side, let's be honest, how they've picked up Anderson, I think for certain. I think when you talk about Yates, I had a good conversation with him last week at Man City actually, how much he's enjoyed his football, what he brings, how he's a leader now in that team.

He just actually doesn't come to believe the transition from where he's come. And I think that's a nice blend. And I think when we talk about those two and what they bring, obviously Yates being able to be combative, getting around, organising, a little bit of class from Anderson. But what's important to that nige is a number 10 in front that really complements the other two. And sometimes you have to carry someone in that position. But when you have a Gibbs White...

I think his first reaction is, can I jump onto the six? Can I stop it at source really, really quickly? And that makes your job so much easier, doesn't it, in behind that.

to be able to just get yourself sorted, get yourself a little look through the passing line. So he's stopping one of the angles already. And I think that's a really good three, not just the two. Fletch really dislikes when I say this. I've been saying this for a while and probably the Forest fans are going to tell him. For us to be relegated, no wonder Fletch doesn't like it. That's terrible. You can't say that. I would say Gib White is an absolute diamond. And I think he's one of the players that's gone under the radar that the so-called bigger clubs

should have gone and got. And I felt that he's one of the players that Manchester United should have been looking to get from a while back. And I know that people are going to say, oh, no, how are you going to say that? But everything that Brownie says is right. But when you look at Morgan Gibbs-White, what he's done and understanding the Premier League and the performances he's been put in, and I look at Man United and they go and get Xerxe and you've got Morgan Gibbs-White there, that for me is...

one of the things I thought you don't know who's making the decisions at Man United that's the thing Nigel just on Forest what's been really impressive you talked about recruitment we talked about Manchester United and Morgan Gims why is

Is Forrest's ability to pinpoint where the issues are? I mentioned it last year on a programme. I can't remember who it was who kicked off at me when I did, but I mentioned the goalkeeper was a real weakness. Flakadimos. They had Matt Turner, Wayne Hennessy, and they've gone really hard with Matt Sells. Joint level with Jordan Pickford on the leading amount of clean sheets.

this season. Seven clean sheets for Matt Sales. They've done really well there. They've got a really strong right-hand flank with Olaraina and Anthony Alanga. And I know people were really frustrated, not frustrated, but they questioned their scattergun approach when they arrived in the Premier League. But right now, they're tailoring the team really well. They had to go really big. I think some of the disappointments were for Steve Cooper was that they didn't necessarily know what was coming next.

So you couldn't plan for it. I don't know what you think, Naj, but that's a complete disaster for the coaching staff. And then all of a sudden the next morning there's another two players just turning up. I think that's one situation that didn't help. So they had to move quickly. They had to get lots and lots of different players in. So it's calmed down a lot now. And I think it should sort of have a general sort of continuity now where it's not going to have a stupid approach. And they can just pick them off nicely the further they go. I think they've got the financials to obviously...

keep strengthening I think the wide areas to the doy Alanga I think Alanga I just think he's somebody who loves his football he's enjoying it so much you wonder whether he was going to go into what type of career and now we're seeing the best of him I think very unselfish I think he's got a little bit of flair they've got pace in the wide areas so yeah recruitment's been really good from Forrest Was it right for Manchester United to get rid of him?

Was he not good enough for United? Because he's proving himself to be a cracking Premier League player. I think he needed a bit longer. I think he needed a bit longer. Looking now and seeing in wide areas could they have it. I think Manchester United have always been blessed in those positions. I think that's for certain. But as a young player coming through with inconsistent Manchester United, you're not going to see the best. And the pressure changes. And now we're finally trying to see that.

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On the Football Daily Podcast, Premier League kick-off with Aaron Paul. Listen on BBC Sounds. Another side having a fine season. Fulham, two wins, four draws in December for Marco Silva's side, including draws against Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. And with these lot, I know obviously they're your former club, Michael, so I'll come to you first. With these lot, I always look at the summer window.

I'm worried that they're a little bit overcooked. But Marco Silva, the way he's got these players coached, the way he's got them drilled, especially at home, they are fantastic. They've done so well. I think the flexibility on the road as well. You could talk about the home performance. I think it's a special place to go and play football. I just think he's good with his detail. I think when you're watching his certain setups, how he goes and attacks the ball, or whether he waits and then counterattacks really quickly, whether it's in build-up, whether he goes a little bit faster,

into feet a little bit earlier I think he's got a bit of flair and understanding all the way around the pitch so I think there's some good attacking options I think that's for certain

and we hear mentions about awobi what he brings um i just think they've done so well with players going out the door and they're not exactly huge spenders i think they have to understand that and the manager was also linked as well to the saudi pro league i felt at one point marco was probably looking over his shoulder thinking that's somewhere he might need to go but i think now if he has a really good ending to this season if it continues i think

the next tier of club slightly above Fulham. I don't want that for Fulham. We'll be looking and thinking we might have a little roll of the dice with him. Why can't it be Fulham? Why can't he take them into Europe? Why can't he be successful there? Well, I think you've got to look at the level of... We've seen the rebuild of the stadium. I think that's took a lot of financials. I think they're always at a level regarding how much Fulham can spend and how much they can create in that sort of financial world. So I don't think they can go out for...

the mega top players I think they've just got to do the job do it as well as they possibly can and I think at times they've had to be strong holding out on bids not to take players away from them I think they're still known as a club that are going to sell their better players so unfortunately until that can change whether it can and that's the reason why I'd say that

Nigel, love your take on Fulham. I mean, the style of players is one thing with Marco Silva. I think from the championship we saw it, the fluid football, the attacking style of play, but losing Alexander Mitrovic was always going to be difficult, a real focal point of what they do. But he seemed to have got this group playing to such a level that people kind of forgotten who Mitrovic was and what goals he scored for the club.

Yeah, and I think the big plus to that is Jimenez finding his form again, you know, starting to get back to that old Jimenez that we saw and really making that number nine role his. I give credit. I think Brownlee is 100% right with what Fulham they've done well is the recruiting aspect of things and how they've done it. And even getting Anderson, I feel, this season from Crystal Palace, you know, everyone was talking about Gahee leaving and Anderson has gone in there now. And you look at that when they go into that kind of back three thing with,

Bassey, Anderson and Diop and it gives more Robinson more of a freedom to get forward on that left-hand side and he's become very influential and I know there's conversations about is he now the best left-back in the Premier League which is creating interest from a certain Liverpool but everything he's done as well and I think Marco Silva deserves a lot of credit in working with what he's got you know the players that he's got there and how he's got them to perform in

And it's just with Fulham, there is a lot of competition in that kind of middle power. They're competing against the likes of Newcastle, Aston Villa, who've probably got a lot more finances than they have to get players. But the fact that he's able to compete with these clubs at that level in that kind of pack of players.

of clubs trying to break into that top four. You look at the squad depth now, isn't it? As well, the squad depth is not going to allow that, is it? Surely. No, it's not. That's the biggest thing. You know, you look at the starting lineup. It's great. You've got one or two you can bring off the bench, but to go that long way. And again, I think there's elements of Fulham where they do let themselves down as that inconsistency element happens.

at this club at the moment, but the foundations are there. But again, it's how long will Marco Silva stay there for? You know, because he really has rebuilt his stock for,

up from his time at Everton that he probably will be given another chance. I think other clubs, the bigger clubs might come in for him again. Just on rebuilding his stock, there was a feeling that he needed to considering he had a stint at Hull where he was relegated. He had a stint at Watford and then he left to go to Everton. He was sacked around this time of year. Not great success in... Well, no great success in any of those roles. I mean...

He's come back to Fulham and he's really shown what he's about. Has he rebuilt his reputation fully now? Are there any blemishes on his record, Michael? I think it just shows you how long it takes to gain that experience, to gain a team, and whether you have to build it from a championship level to then come up and have the continuity that it's your way. Then you're just sprinkling two or three little players each window on top of that and...

your philosophy's in where you go into an Everton and it's all over the place and you've got to react quickly. You don't have that time because the expectation levels is through the roof. And I think he's gone back to learning what he knew best. I think tactically he's very aware of

Obviously, the detail that he gives the players is really, really good. But I think not just with Marco Silva, I think Fulham have improved all the way around. I think they talk about at board level, behind the scenes. They understand it now. They've got a good continuity. There was naivety though, wasn't there? When Shaq Khan first bought the club. But they then changed that mentality

The people in there have done it for quite a while and they are very, very shrewd in that now. I think that's the point. You will know more about the club though. You look at the previous managers. I look at Slavica Akanovic. I spent a lot of time at the club under Slavica Akanovic watching him.

And looking at what he did, he had next to no control of the players they were bringing in. And that's why you had players like Thanos Petsos turn up, play half an hour against Hull, never to be seen again. You had Gohebe, Zorro, Cyriak, when they were desperate for a striker. You had Chris Martin and the debacle with him. You had all these players turning up and Slavica was like, well, I mean, I remember him one day saying, we're not a train station, you know. I don't know what that meant. But with Marco Silva, it feels like he's got a bit

of autonomy as well to have a say on who they bring in. You look at the quality of the player, they're fitting in beautifully into the system rather than buying relative unknowns, which is what they were doing a few years ago. Well, I think that's something that was always going to be the case. I think when you have owners who start playing management that they think they can go and control, the agents getting in their ears, listening to them and start running with no control with a senior figure, I think that's

the CEO Alistair McIntosh who I've known for a long long time he's very very shrewd with his numbers very very experienced now in the job and the role that he does and I think if you probably asked him has he learnt and has he got things wrong over years and I think he has but you have to be able to

have that go between between owners who write the checks out to then the management and the football side of it and like I say to you I feel that that controls better I think the management in Marco Silva when I've heard about different recruitments now that he's gone and spoke to the players explained the type of role what he expects

Where before, you're saying the manager's given them and doesn't necessarily fit to what you want to do and that the player doesn't even listen to what his job is when he comes in the building. So they've had to change that. They've had to look and be better. And I think some of them recently, you've probably gone, really? Is that the sign is they've gone on the spent? But he's coached them into the way he wants. And a few have shocked me. I think that's a given. What's the glass ceiling here for?

for Fulham? Where do they go? When are they going to hit it and go, right, well, we can't go any further because as Michael said, the restrictions on the club and the income situation means that they're not going to be shopping at that top, top level. Where do Fulham go from here? I would say for me, when I look at a club like Fulham, I don't know if Brownie agrees on it, Europe's going to be a stretch, you know, because it's super competitive in the Premier League, you know, to get in that...

top five, top six. It'll be a remarkable achievement. But like we said, I don't think that they've got the strength in the squad. I would say for the likes of Fulham, it'll be probably trying to win something like the League's Cup or the FA Cup, trying to just get something, some form of silverware, I think. And then you can build off that. Do they go back into Europe this season?

I certainly hope so. That Europa League one was unbelievable. No, it was unbelievable. It was sensational, wasn't it? I just left and then look at what happened right behind me. So yeah, I know all about it, Aaron. Thanks very much for reminding me of that. But it was a Fulham side who were struggling when I was about to leave. Management changed. I think Chris Coleman had done an unbelievable job. I felt like he was going to be a really good manager but then things started to change ownership-wise and

and that had to change the outcome of what happened at Fulham. But it's been very much an up-and-down football club into the Championship, back into the Premier League with a little bit of uncertainty, but now the stability seems much better, like I say, the running of it. Would a European competition maybe get in the way, come a little bit early? I think you'd always take it, you'd want to take that challenge, but...

I think maybe a little bit longer before that would happen in regards to next year's Premier League would be one thing I would say. Let's get some predictions. It's time for your Big Five of the weekend.

Yeah, we want to know your best game of the weekend. Which are you most looking forward to? Your banker, your shock result, your highest scoring and your lowest scoring. Michael Brown, I'll go first. We'll go to you first. Your game of the weekend, sir. I think it's got to be the uncertainty, hasn't it, surrounding Manchester United, Newcastle Resurgence. That's the game for me. Your banker, please, sir.

Inconsistent spurs to be my banker. What about that? What, to beat Wolves? Yeah. Wow, big call. Shock was out of the weekend. Ready for it? Go on. Man City to beat Leicester. No, that's not a shock. Is it not? No. Are you sure? No. Well, that's what I'm going with. There you go. Nigel's laughing. Nigel, I think he deserves a yellow card for that. Your highest scoring game of the weekend, sir.

Come on, you're not serious, are you? Tell me. Spurs. Okay, your luck with scoring. Everton. Really? Everton Forest. Yeah, I know they've got a great defence, Everton, but... It's very... Actually, that does make sense. Both goalkeepers, seven clean sheets each. 0-0. Banker. There you go, Nigel. Nigel, agree with me. All of this will be the same. Let's have your best game of the weekend. Go on.

It's hard to turn away from Man United-Newcastle. That's going to be a cracking game. I'm looking at Fulham-Bournemouth. I think that looks like a cracker. Come on, please. Fulham-Bournemouth? Come on. Ipswich-Chelsea? You're not... What, of the game of the weekend? Spurs-Wolves could be. Game of the weekend. Spurs-Wolves could be. Come on. Man United-Newcastle, come on. Okay, your banker, please, sir. My banker is Wolves to beat Tottenham.

Yes! I love it. Yes. I love it. Is that a bank or a shock? Have you got the right way around, Nigel? That's my banker. Let's have your shock result of the weekend. My shock result is going to be Leicester to get a draw with City to get a point. See, that's what I'm talking about. He's giving us juice, Michael.

That's fine, you know. It's all opinion. It's all an opinion, isn't it? Your highest scoring game of the weekend, please, Nigel. Highest scoring? I'm going to go with Villa Brighton. Yeah, I'm with you. Villa Brighton. I don't think he is agreeing with you. You know what? I'm not here to give opinion. Your lowest scoring game of the weekend. Lowest scoring is definitely going to be Everton Forest.

I wish they had another category in a deadest game of the weekend. That'd be fun. Just give it a bit of juice, wouldn't it? Thank you so much for giving us your big five. There's not been a great deal of Christmas cheer in Manchester. The blue half saw their miserable run extended to one win in 13 with a one-all draw at home to Everton. But we'll start our conversation with Manchester United, who've now lost four from their last five in the league after yesterday's 2-0 defeat at Wolves. Ruben Amarim's side, 14th in the table, 20 points.

behind leaders Liverpool and Amram has been talking to the media today and knows he'll need to get results soon the coach the manager of Manchester United cannot be never no matter what comfortable

And I know the business that I'm in. So I know that if we don't win, regardless if they pay the buyout or not, I know that every manager is in danger. And I like that. I like that because that is our job. So I understand the question.

And you can say that I'm here in a month ahead for trainings, but we are not winning. So I have that. That is a reality, and I'm quite comfortable with that.

Nigel Riococo I bet you're licking your lips at talking about this please just dive straight in sir oh no come on like a Christmas buffet looking here we go go on no listen I always just give my my honest opinion on certain things and I I just think for me he says all the right things but he's got to start delivering you know and

The players, this whole system, I'm kind of cautious about it. I understand, yes, Manchester United don't have a system and a style in place and he's got to go and implement his footballing philosophy. But at the same time, you've got to get results. The players are still struggling to adapt to this system and philosophy. And I personally feel, I don't know what Brownie thinks about this.

I don't really think Ruben Amrim understood how much of a big job it was at Manchester United before he got there. We've heard so many players talk about the history of the club and what it means and this and that, but I don't think they have a reality until they get there to really see how these players are, the

the quality of the players that they have and how they're applying themselves and the culture that's being created and I think now he's starting to get a real realisation of how big a job it is at Manchester United I think he did realise I think he was trying to put it off as long as he possibly could it took ages for him to come didn't it I think

I think that's for certain. You think so though, Brownie, though. From the outside looking in, before you get there, to start watching training, seeing training and seeing all that, do you really think you realise how much of a big job it is at a club until you get there? Well, I bet you probably thought, well, I've got Rashford.

That's a great starting point. That's gone, being a problem. Gennaccio's had a problem. I think you go and set a style, a rhythm and a system. I think that's what he's done. And he's going to try and stick to that as best as he possibly can. I think as any manager would normally tell you, other than Ange Postacoglu, you have to change in that at times, regards to personnel, different games, injuries, etc.,

Whether he wants to do that, we'll see. And I think he's still finding his way. I think out of possession for a long period of time, they've struggled. We've talked so much about that. The game against Bournemouth, they covered for five live last week. I felt like they created opportunities at times, but whoever's brave enough to go and keep the ball against them and make them run around, they still can't really find their feet. They still can't implement from playing out to being comfortable to playing into midfield, that midfield two position.

at times look vulnerable Bruno Fernandes I don't want Nigel things do you know when he gets sent off he's your main player who by the way I think he's been playing well creating lots of things putting around by all accounts he's a great example he makes a mistake on the second yellow

catches him on the shin and then he just ignores him on the pitch. What do you think that message is to everybody? I think for me, Ruben Amarim doesn't trust him. Doesn't trust him enough as a captain and a leader of the club and I don't think he looks at him as a natural leader that he can rely on. You know, because he's

Yes, it's a mistake, Brownie, but you're still a captain and it's not the first time he's kind of done a tackle like that. And I think with him, sometimes he's the emotion. But the other one got rescinded, Nigel. He got rescinded. Yes, but he does kind of... And the other one, the goalkeeper, I don't think we can... I think there's bigger problems. I think that's a... It's a small part. They're conceding basic goals from set pieces every week.

Basic, basic goals. So again, you've got to wonder what goes on in training. Who's listening? Who's not listening? Who's not buying in? Where are we in football philosophy? Because at the end of the day, Ruben Amram himself has come out and said, I need to get results. The proof is in the pudding. He got to stick with him. He's earned the right. We have to get results. I understand. That's where we are. But we've just talked about Marco Silva going up and down and developing and being a manager into a team that...

that he knows and then the rhythm and understand everything that he gives Mikel Arteta struggled with it Pep Guardiola struggled for the first 12 months but Manchester United unfortunately the pressure is so high with the huge football club that they are they've got to just relax here and just I don't know I know you're saying Nigel's got to deliver I

I think if we look into mid-February, when possibly he can get some level of reinforcements, I think then we can start to judge him a little bit more. It's the same vicious cycle that we keep seeing about Manchester United. And I think for me, Brownie, I think the top managers work with what they've got and you can slowly start to implement things. They're not getting the results, which, okay, fine. But if the performance is improving, I understand this whole...

back three, four, two, one formation. Clearly you don't have the players to play it. And I understand that's your footballing philosophy, but the best managers in world football adapt. And I always say, if you want to be the best, you watch the best. You have to judge yourself along the same clubs that you look at yourself at. If Manchester United- No, I do remember that. Bournemouth was about to be sacked. It took a while.

They were horrific. They were, again, any sort of results for ages, but the pressure, because it's Bournemouth, wasn't as intense with the media and as scrutiny as Manchester United. And look at them since that turnaround. They lost to Gary O'Neill's Wolves and then they've just been...

amazing they've got a remit they've got an understanding we have to take time but the pressure's too big at Manchester United I'm going to use a word here though it's toxic there's toxicity from the top toxicity from the bottom there's toxicity in the social media there's toxicity from the fan base who's driving it though Aaron who's driving it right Jim Radcliffe apparently it's a year up they're a year in now Jim Radcliffe's getting decisions wrong right Iman Omar Baradi's getting things wrong we know that behind us but they're going to have to make decisions they're going to have to let them run I talk about it so much

The supporters have to be careful that they don't react too quickly. The media are loving it, absolutely smashing right on top of it. And by the way, listen, you know my allegiances for... I try to be fair and impartial. I can say, well, I can put my Man City hat on and say, OK, look at Manchester United struggling. We don't want them to come near. I try to look as impartial as I possibly can and say...

We have to just give this guy a chance. It's ridiculous what's happening. Is he getting results? No. But you can see, I don't know if you agree, Nigel, you can see certain things he's doing, no? I can definitely see a little bit of what he's trying to implement coming out onto the football side of things. But like you said, like Aaron's saying is right,

We're being distracted so much by so many off the field situations at Manchester United that the football, the main important thing is what's getting lost there. And I know everyone keeps saying this, it's a rebuild, no problem. But the reality of it is the club is built on being successful and winning. How long is he going to be given for this rebuild? And it's not a rebuild like years ago, Brownlee, before the financial fair play implications came into football, where they can just go and buy the best and get whatever it is and do rebuilds.

This rebuild is going to be a long process because they're still playing catch up to so many clubs, not just the likes of the Manchester cities, the Arsenal, all that. You look at what Newcastle and Aston Villa and all these other clubs are doing. There is a lot of rebuild that has to be done at Manchester United with the players that are there. Are they good enough to play this system? I don't believe so.

So how long is that going to take to get the right players in while you're competing with other clubs that younger players would probably want to go to ahead of Manchester United? I think the people laughing the most right now are the Glazer family. I think they've had an absolute touch because everything was on them. They've got a full guy now into Jim Radcliffe who's apparently making the decisions. He's come in. There's been this issue with Omar Barada and Dan Ashworth. They paid an exorbitant amount of money to get Dan Athwesh into the club and they're now...

They've got all these issues with regards to transfers. They sacked it at Ten Hag, didn't sack it to Eric Ten Hag. They've brought in Ruben Amorim, and yet the Glazer family are cashing out again. It's win-win for them. Yeah, they only do deals like you, then. What do you mean? What's that supposed to mean? Very shrewd, I've heard. Very shrewd, I recall. I wouldn't say I'm shrewd. It's amazing, isn't it? But let's go back since Sir Alex Ferguson. There's just been so many managers...

so much money spent and we're not just talking managers to go and say well okay it's a bit of a risk they've not done it this level we've had the top top managers in it Manchester United and nobody's turned it around for a long period Liverpool had it for a long long time and this one unfortunately is going to have to be given time and they're going to have to go back to basics they're going to have to get everything right and in place

But it's travelling. The noise is all getting stronger. And I think you look at their points tally, the Manchester Derby three points, you take that away because it was right at the end of the game. I think their performance has heavily got to improve. I think we know that. How many years do you see Manchester United competing for Premier League titles? What, before they are? Yeah, how many years? Listen, I don't know. I think they could do it if they get it right. Look how Arsenal turned it around. They were competing very quickly. I think you need to get...

I think certain key players, I think that's the point. I think you look at Manchester United, they've still went and... They've wasted money on superstars, then they've wasted money on players who sort of just...

Do you know what's ironic? Omar Baradi was one of the ones who drove the price up for a lot of Manchester United signings. Now he's in charge of it, so hopefully he can get better control with them in the recruitment. I think they call that falling upwards, don't they? We are going to push on and talk very quickly about Manchester City. Down to seventh on the table, six points behind Nottingham Forest. Michael, Kevin De Bruyne played 15 minutes yesterday, first appearance since the Manchester derby.

he's been a player who's been indispensable in the past, but he just looks off it completely. Is this a fitness issue? Is this naturally about getting older? What is it?

I think you say when you say he looks off it, what do you mean by that? He's just not firing, is he? But when's he playing? I know, but he's just... Well, when's he playing? Nigel told you exactly the same. In that middle of the pitch, he's got to have a run of minutes to get better. Has he performed to his best of ability when he's been given some opportunities? No. I think he'd be the first to tell you that. But for some reason, whether it's fitness, whether it's selection choice, the manager deciding not to put him on, I think that's the biggest shock to him.

to everybody that in certain games he's not even getting 10, 15, 20 minutes, half an hour to keep that strength to get him in a better position. City need him firing as quick as possible. The longer it goes on, it's getting more worrying. I think that's what I would say. When a team are missing so many players, underperforming, and he's still not getting those minutes. So it's a massive worry for Pep Guardiola and Kevin De Bruyne.

My thing to you quickly, Brown, is do you think that Pep not wanting to play Kevin De Bruyne is because of a worry of the lack of legs in that midfield area? I agree with you, Kevin De Bruyne. There's no doubt in his talent and ability he has.

But when you look at how vulnerable the team look right now defensively and then you play Kevin De Bruyne, is there a worry for the lack of defensive stability and strength of why he's reluctant to play him so much? I possibly think is his fitness levels down? Yes. Can he cover the same ground? No, he probably can't at this moment in time. And I think that comes with age. But I think I would say if

I think we've got to be careful here because we don't know whether he's carrying an injury, whether he's over it, whether he's not, whether it is just a case of he's not at the speed so he can't put him on. But there's another way you could sort of shoehorn him into a position now, as you know, out towards that right-hand side, get the midfield three sorted, then let him drift into position. Do you have a walker behind him?

Rico Lewis etc I think you'll then be able to balance more minutes than just playing them in that midfield three where they have been like That's it for this episode of the Football Daily also out now on the feed you can catch best of the commentators view as John Murray Ian Dennis and Ali Bruce Ball reveal the untold stories from life as a commentator Sir Alex Ferguson is the most successful British manager of all time

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