Lionesses thrash Belgium as Walsh finally finds the net
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Thrash Belgium 5-0 in the Nations League. Lucy Bronze, Millie Bright, Aggie Beaver Jones scoring her first goal for her country. Jess Park and Ciara Walsh actually scoring her first international goal on her 83rd cap. They were the five goal scorers. England now a point ahead of Spain in this Nations League group with another game against Belgium.

to come on Tuesday night. I watched the game with the former England goalkeeper, Karen Bardsley. It finished 5-0, Karen. No exaggeration to say that that genuinely could have been double figures. England sort of found the ruthlessness in front of goal in the second half. It's being harsh, slightly lacked in the first half.

Yeah, no, the second half performance, you know, just saw loads of balls hit in the back of the net. And I think that's exactly what all the fans wanted to see. It's what Serena Wiegmann wanted to see and it's what all the players wanted to feel. I think perhaps, you know, Belgium were slightly naive in their game plan. I think I expected them to kind of block up and make it a little bit more difficult for England to score. But in a selfish way, I'm really pleased that they didn't because, you know, as you say, five different goal scorers, a clean sheet.

two first goals for Agriva Jones and Kira Walsh. Yeah, it's a really, really good night for the Lionesses. I'm really pleased for them. And I felt, Karen, coming into the game, the important thing tonight was to sort of continue...

the momentum from the win against Spain because I think if we're honest over the last year 18 months England haven't quite hit the heights that they would have wanted to but now is the time to start doing that and this was a really nice follow on from the win against Spain in February wasn't it? Yeah it really was I think they all looked really confident you know the girls on the pitch and I think Alessia Russo will be disappointed you know that she didn't get on the score sheet tonight because she had you know a plethora of opportunities in front of goal and you know

Beth Mead had one at the far post, and I think Lauren James hit the woodwork a few times. And, yeah, you know, so it's really great, the fact that the girls are creating so many opportunities, and finally, you know, there's a bit more of a clinical edge in front of goal. But like you say, it certainly could have been more. So I do feel like there is a momentum building, I think. Now...

Are you pragmatic about it? Do you kind of go, yeah, OK, one step at a time? You don't want to get carried away. But ultimately, I think I'm just really pleased that subs came on and made an impact of the game as well. I think Serena will be really positive about that takeaway. Well, you mentioned the head coach, Serena Wiegmann. Let's get some reaction from her. First of all, Rob Schofield spoke to her after the game. Serena, three points in the Nations League, five goals, five star performance.

It's five out of five, it never is because it's never perfect, but how the team performed on the pitch, what we wanted to do and also other players coming in, keeping the dynamics, keeping things simple also, that was really good.

Yeah, and scoring five goals. I think we should, yeah, you almost say you should have scored five goals. Scoring five goals is not easy. We expected to play against a strong Belgium where we said we have to break a wall. And I think through the dynamics,

of the team and getting in positions, getting the depth and creating chances. I think we did really well and we know there are dangers in the counter-attack and they had some moments, but I think overall we did really well. First goals for Aggie Beaver Jones and Keira Walsh. Keira said to wait a little bit longer than Abi. I do want to start with Abi because she got a really

a big opportunity, didn't she, Aggie, in the second half. How impressed were you with her performance, how she took on that responsibility? Yeah, I think she did really well. She shows that club that she's in good form. She has showed that with us too. She had to be a bit patient with us to get more minutes. And today, yeah, you could tell she was enjoying herself. She was really sharp. Also, how she scored that goal coming inside and...

to be ready to be at the right place where the cross came. I thought she did really well, but I thought overall she came on very sharp.

And Kira, just speaking to her there, it's very clear how much that means to her. She's certainly had to wait a long time for it. I hear that you've been telling her that she needs to get a little bit closer to the box and try and get some shots away. And obviously she did do strike in the post as well beforehand. Exactly, yeah. Well, I'm not the only one who tells her because we all know she has a very good shot and she can take positions. So we really want her up there more.

And today you also saw that moment. She had some dynamics and also came behind the defence. Sometimes she can play like that too. So I'm very happy for her. And obviously he was very happy too. How's Lauren James? How serious is that came off after the first half? I don't know. She felt something, so we took her off straight away.

And yeah, I think that's way too short. I just came off the pitch. I haven't spoken to her or the doctor yet. And just finally, Serenity, do you feel like you're building and you're in a really... How satisfied overall are you with where you're at at the moment? You know, as we've come through the high profile games in the winter and it feels like you're building a real head of steam and a good momentum now.

Yeah, I think what I always say to the team, so if we win now 5-0, we don't all of a sudden think that we are in the best position ever. We know what we're working on. I think the team is moving forward in all parts of the game. So in possession, out of possession and the transition moments. And I thought today, Belgium, of course, they were struggling with some injuries, but I think

What we did ourselves in this game, most moments were really good. They did get a couple of counter-attacks, but also part of the game. I think moments like at the beginning of the second half, we were a bit more sloppy, we slowed down a bit, but then we picked it up again. Yeah, I think that's really good. So I see that we're getting...

connected even better now we could play many players too and see things and practice things and this of course the the nation league is very important to do well but it's at the same time preparation for the euros absolutely thank you so much for your time thank you Serena thank you yes as we were saying Karen during the commentary as you well know I mean six major tournaments with England it is all about squad strength and as you were saying there a little earlier on in our chat it's

I think that's one of the takeaways from the game, isn't it? The likes of Beaver Jones coming on, Jess Park, who didn't start a little bit unlucky not to start coming on and making an impact. And still we've got players to cut. I mean, Chloe Kelly's not involved in this camp because she's got a foot injury. Georgia Stanway's not here. Alex Greenwood's not here. Lauren Hemp's not here.

I think that's really encouraging. It is. It is. You know, the fact that Jess Park, like you say, will be disappointed, the fact that she didn't start, you know, this evening, but she came on and certainly it looked like she wanted to prove a point, you know. And I think what's really exciting is there's a nice complementary blend to the players, to the squad. You know, you've got players who are really tidy in the pass, who can, you know, happily distribute short, long, medium passes. But then you've got people like

Lauren James, who can just glide into different pockets of space. You've got Jess Park, who will happily take players on 1v1, get into the box, you know, again, breaking, playing through the midfield on the dribble, progressively carrying the ball up the pitch. So I think there's a real excitement for me about how...

You pick the best starting XI based on the opposition, based on the problem in front of you for Serena Wiegand to solve. So, yeah, there's plenty of positive signs, I think, about the squad at the minute. You're a former England goalkeeper, so I've got to ask you this one. I think ahead of every England game at the moment we're going to be talking about this one.

Is it a nice problem? We always hear this. It's a bit of a football cliche to say, well, it's a lovely problem to have because they've got two brilliant goalkeepers and Hannah Hampton, who started this game, and Mary Upps, who has all that experience and has been absolutely fabulous for England. Or is it a bit of a nightmare decision to try and make? Or actually, Karen, are you so confident in either of them, whoever you put in, it's going to be fine? I think you're creeping along that line, yeah, where you get to the point where you're so happy with, you know, the competencies of both of these teams

fantastic players that either will kind of be suitable for whichever moment. It's just kind of up to Serena. Like, I don't envy her with that decision to make. I think, based on my own tournament experience, though, I think you get to a point in the build-up where you just get sick of having the conversation and you get sick of the noise, you know, from people like us. So, yeah,

I think eventually Serena will have to choose who their number one is going to be going into the tournament. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything once you actually get started because we've seen things change in major tournaments as well. But yeah, it's so close. It's absolutely neck and neck. Just before we hear from her, we're going to hear from Kira Walsh shortly. Talk to me about her because I think quite often when we talk about this England team...

She doesn't always get a mention because she sometimes does just the unflashy job, sits at the base of midfield, controls the tempo. I mean, such an important player for England. Makes the headlines tonight because she scores her first international goal. But you know her well. Just tell me a little bit about her qualities. Well, I mean, I can still remember, I think, the first time she came into training. She'd just come in from school and had these little frilly socks on. I'm sure she's not going to forgive me for saying that. Yeah, she'll thank you for that. Yeah.

But I was just like, who is this kid? And then you see her on the pitch and she just comes to life. You know, she's so confident in the way she controls the ball. She can take it, you know,

with her back to goal and still wiggle her way out of any sort of pressure you can put her under. I think her vision is phenomenal. She knows where the spaces are going to be. She's so intuitive and so clever in her game intelligence. And just the way that she kind of links defense to attack, not only from front to back, but obviously from side to side as well. She's that key cog in changing the point of attack quickly and setting players like Aggie Beaver Jones, Lauren James on her way. So

For her to kind of do all those dirty jobs, to kind of do the things that don't get the accolades, that aren't particularly attractive, you know, to kind of protect the back line, making sure she's screening those passes. Like, those things go unnoticed, don't they? And for her to get on the score sheet tonight, I'm so buzzing for her. Yeah, but teammates recognize that, don't they, Karen? And actually just watching the reaction to her goal, it was, you know, I mean, I felt you almost wanted to be out there. I did, yeah. I wanted to give her a big hug. Exactly, but they know.

They know how good she is. Come on, let's hear from her. Here's Keira Walsh. Thank you, Ali. I'm here with Keira Walsh. She's just had a nice moment with Serena Beekman. Come on, Keira, tell us what was said. To be honest with you, yesterday in training, she told me that I need to get close to the box and take some shots. So I'm not sure if she's taking credit for that one. But yeah, I'm just really, really happy to score my first goal for England. It's taken me a fair bit of time, but yeah, just really happy to be off the mark.

I can tell there's no novelty about it. It means a heck of a lot to you, doesn't it? Yeah, I think...

Yeah, I mean, all the girls like to remind me all the time that I'm not a squad, but again, you know, they were super happy for me tonight. And I think, you know, it's just a moment that, you know, you work towards when you're younger, you want to score for England. And it's a nice moment for me and my family, you know, my mum and my auntie are here. So, yeah, just really happy they could see that moment as well. Certainly got your eye in, didn't you? Because you struck the post. That one was arguably closer. I think that was a better shot, actually. Yeah, a few of the girls just said that to me as well. That was a better shot. But yeah, I mean, the girls were always telling me to shoot and...

Yeah, I think it's just having those reminders and they give me the confidence. And actually, Aggie told me before the game, if I score, I need to celebrate for her and celebrate with her. And yeah, that's why I threw up a little A at the end of the game. I'd say you've had to wait a little bit longer than Aggie has. But let's talk about the performance overall, because that was really impressive. And I got the sense talking to Leah yesterday that there was a real intent to back up the Spain win. And you certainly did that today. Yeah, I think that was probably a bit of a

A turning point for us, I think we took a lot of confidence from that and I think we kind of knew now that that's the intensity we need to play every game at and I think you could kind of see that in the way we attacked tonight. We played some really nice passages of play and at times Jess Park's goal, it was fantastic pressure and later on in the game as well. So yeah, I think that kind of shows where we're at and we've got a lot of confidence going into the summer. But yeah, we know it's going to be tough and these next few Nations League games are going to be tough as well.

Can you just give us a little bit of a sense of what it feels like now compared to maybe the winter when there was a little bit of talk? Because overall, whether it's defence or attack, the team looks so solid and you look like you're really building and you're in the right place ahead of the summer. Yeah, I think most teams go through a tough period. I think...

I think for us it was just about staying focused and knowing that it's about being ready in June when the tournament comes. I think we had a bigger picture and obviously there was a lot of outside noise and we were aware that it wasn't our best football but we trust in what Serena's saying, we trust in each other and it was just about putting those final bits together. I think again it comes down to intensity on and off the ball and I think you could see that tonight in the way the girls played.

Kira, congratulations. Well done. Thanks. Thank you. So it took Kira Walsh 83 caps to score her first England goal for 21-year-old Aggie Beaver Jones. It was a fourth cap. It was actually my favourite goal of the night. The build-up play from England leading up to the Beaver Jones finish. Clever little run as well. Timed it beautifully and side-footed it

into the bottom corner. What a moment for her. She was speaking to Rob Schofield after the game. Thank you, Ali. Yes, I'm here with another of England's goalscorers, Aggie Beaver-Jones. Aggie, you've not had to wait quite as long as Keira for yours. Yeah, I think I was more delighted when Keira scored than myself, if I'm honest. I think I obviously really get along with Keira and been saying to her for a long time now that she needs to shoot more. And I've been taking the nick out of her for not scoring for England yet. So it was, yeah, I was delighted when I saw

she scored, I think she hit the post just before it as well. So I said to her, come on, keep going, you'll get it. And yeah, no, I'm just so delighted that she scored again with Millie getting on the score sheet as well, Jess as well. But yeah,

yeah I'm absolutely delighted I don't think it's quite sunk in just yet but maybe in a bit yeah I mean you must you'd be forgiven for kind of putting your head down on the pillow and imagining those moments every time before you know before a match day does it does it feel like what you expected or like you say does it's there's a sense of you know Aguipeva Jones England goal scorer hasn't like you say hasn't quite sunk in yet yeah it definitely hasn't sunk in I think

when I get in the shower and get ready and go upstairs to see my mum and dad I think it'll probably hit me a little bit. They're here? Yeah they're here they came which is obviously really nice and I think Bristol quite holds a special place in my heart I came obviously here on loan and to see the fans come out today we had such a great support network and yeah I'm just absolutely delighted that

I was able to come on the pitch, let alone get a goal. And yeah, I'm just super excited to go see my family. I thought you took on the responsibility of coming on that second half in a really impressive way. Just tell me what it's been like for you because you've had to be patient, you've had to bide your time and kind of get to know the environment. But do you think you're almost feeling the benefit of that now? Yeah, 100%. I think obviously as a young player, you always want things and it's never as easy as just wanting it and then getting it. You have to earn it. And I've had...

a lot of support from all the girls in this team and always asking the questions and just being a sponge in this environment learning as much as I can off Alessia, LJ, Hempo when she's here, Mido and yeah I'm just yeah I don't even really have the words right now to describe how it feels but I'm just honestly delighted and yeah as long as I'm making the right people happy then ultimately I'm happy but just needing to keep doing what I'm doing and making the right people happy. Aggie well done go and see your family thank you. Thank

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I think so. I think given the game state at the minute, they're quite comfortable obviously going into that next game. With it being in Belgium, I think you'll have to take in perhaps the atmosphere, the environment into consideration. It's a good test for players maybe that haven't played in sort of a hostile sort of environment. They'll be quite loud and I think...

now Belgium really have to go for it. They've got absolutely nothing to lose. If they carry on this trend, I think they're going to get relegated into League B, aren't they? So they really just need to go for it. So I think maybe does that offer a different performance problem for Serena Wiegmann to solve? I think we'll see maybe a couple of tweaks. Maybe

maybe two or three. I don't think we'll see like completely different starting 11. I do think we'll see Mary Earps in goal and a few more shuffling around in the pack, possibly giving Nikita Paris a little bit more time in the nine or, you know, if Fran Kirby is fit, that would be great if we could get to see her.

So fingers crossed that she's fit enough to make an appearance in that second game. Yeah, so that game is Tuesday night, England against Belgium. They're top of the group on seven points. Spain just behind them on six because Spain won 4-2 in Portugal. Portugal on four and Belgium on zero.

Just to sort of explain the importance of that, if you win the group in terms of just the Nations League itself, then you'll go through to the semifinals and final and you have a chance of winning the tournament. But it also plays a big part in where you end up for qualifying for the next World Cup. So in England's position, they want to finish at least... I mean, they want to win the group, obviously, but if you finish in the top two...

in the top division of the Nations League you go through to the top division of qualifying for the World Cup and if you win one of those groups then you automatically get to the next World Cup if you're not in those top groups for World Cup qualifying then you will definitely be going through a playoff wherever you finish in your group so that is why these Nations League games are important let's have a little look at how the other home nations are

got on in the Nations League. Wales still without a win in their group. They lost 2-1 at home to Denmark. Ailey Barber was watching this one in Cardiff. Yes, Ali, plenty of positives for Wales tonight. They went behind against Denmark to Signe Bruun's opener, but they found a way to get themselves back into the game to start to get some control possession. And Kerry Holland scored a wonderful goal

equalizer but the Danes changed shape in the second half they came out strong and Vanscourt was able to find a way to score the winner and it came just seconds after up the other end Hannah Kane had had such a similar opportunity she hit her effort straight at the goalkeeper it went straight up the other end and Vanscourt showed that real composure to just slot it past Olivia Clarke and give Denmark the win

that moves them a point behind Sweden at the top of this Nations League group. And Dani Gabaldon alongside me watching this one. A disappointing result in the end, but Rhian Wilkinson, I'm sure, will still see plenty of positives in the building work that she's doing in this Wales side. Yeah, she will. I think, you know, before these Nations League games started, I think for Rhian Wilkinson,

a lot of it was about maybe trying different things, you know, rotating players, obviously coming up against top opposition is exactly what this kind of team wants going into the Euros, but she would have been under no illusions as well. It's kind of going to be difficult and we saw that at times tonight, but look, I think Wales give a great account of themselves. I think the first...

15-20 minutes of the game they were a little bit like rabbits in headlights a little bit maybe didn't believe in themselves and maybe give a little bit too much respect to the opposition obviously Denmark got their noses in front but then I thought they were the better team then Wales for the second half of the first half they started to impose themselves on the game they started to win more second balls the passing was a bit more precise and crisp and

and then obviously the individual goal from Kerry Holland brilliant goal, brilliant finish great skill and a great finish high into the roof of the net and actually forced Denmark there in the second half to change their system and change personnel so I think that was a massive positive to Wales The last time Denmark were

were in Wales back in 2023. It was a 5-1 victory for the Danes. So even on the scoreline tonight, you can see how much improvement there is in this Welsh team. But in the performance as well, they caused problems for that Denmark back line. It wasn't a comfortable evening for Denmark at all. No, it certainly wasn't. And that kind of came off the back of probably 20 minutes into the game where

I think Wales started to believe a little bit, you know, the passes started to connect and they were pressing with a bit more aggression and that fear almost kind of went away a little bit and they started to have a go and then they started to get a little bit of joy and then suddenly they started asking Denmark one or two more questions and then suddenly they looked a little bit more vulnerable defensively. So I think in that respect, you know, if we can kind of start games with that kind of confidence, it's going to be a massive help. Look, we're still kind of

in terms of our build-up and trying to control possession. We're still in the early phases of that. We have that kind of dogged spirit. That's been in this world's team for a very, very long time. We've always been a very difficult team to beat, but it's been the other side of the game where we've kind of lacked, and that's where we've kind of improved over the last couple of years. Started probably under the previous manager, Jeremy Granger, and Will is looking to kind of take that on.

But going to a major tournament, you know, that has to be good. It really does. You know, you have to be able to defend. You have to be able to be organised. You have to be able to kind of keep the ball and you have to be very kind of clinical with your chances as well. And that's probably where we weren't quite at our best tonight. This is where Wales want to be as well. Whether they're ready for it, we will find out in the summer because this is a team that has a real mix of some experience, but a lot of young players as well. A lot of players who haven't got

Tens of caps behind them

experiencing a lot of these games and this level of opposition for not the first time but it's not something that they're playing week in week out at international level so there's a lot to learn on every occasion and I think if you look at some of the performances that Wales have had of late and the experiences that they've had they are growing they are developing and it's a short turnaround until we get to the summer but these are big opportunities to learn and to learn quickly they are and that's what the young players need they need opportunities they need experience and they're

Like I said, under previous managers, that hasn't really been the case. There's been a lot of players in and around the squad for a long time and they weren't really getting opportunities. But one of the positives, one of the good things that Rhian Wilkes-Wilkes has done, she's trusted in the squad, she's trusted in the fringe players, the younger players, and she's given those players opportunities to shine.

And these players, I think, have performed really well. You know, I think, you know, you look at the men's team and it's a similar thing where if you have young players and they're good enough, they get fast-tracked straight into the senior team. And not just that, they are then given opportunities to go and play. And if they do well, then they progress then quicker if you're given the opportunity. So I think you're going to see a similar thing now with Rian and what she's trying to do. And sometimes with these young players, they've got no baggage.

as well. You know, they go into these pressure situations, they go to major tournaments and they just play with no fear and sometimes that can be a positive thing as well. So I think that mix of youth and experience and of course us having all our key players there is so important. You know, Kerry Holland tonight,

I really hope that injury is not too serious. It never looks good when a stretcher comes on. So I'm praying for her. But, you know, Sophie Ingle as well, who's a key, key performer. We've missed her. Hopefully we can get her back before the tournament as well. If we can have all her...

fit players, key players fit and key players available then of course it gives us a much better chance of performing well. Yes, real concerns for Kerry Holland who was stretched off in the second half, a really nasty looking injury, she was heavily strapped up as she was stretched off so hopefully that will not be as bad as it first looked but

Also a player who is so influential and we saw her being influential, albeit she didn't set foot on the pitch tonight and that's Jess Fishlock. Obviously a player who has to be managed in terms of her game time. She's 38 years old now, but she is such a talent. She is such a talisman for this Welsh team. How important is she, regardless of whether she plays or not?

she's massive you know she's been a huge influence on Welsh football for so so long and you know it's not just the quality on the pitch what she's able to do on the pitch you know she's capable of those kind of magic moments with the quality that she has but off the pitch as well you know she's a leader you know the younger players in particular they all look up to her you know advice and guidance and the experience that she has over so many years so yeah

She's going to be a key performer for us when we go out to Switzerland. For her to have the opportunity to play in a major tournament, like I said earlier, nobody deserves it more than her. She's a world-class performer for me and you want to see the best players

you know, on the world stage and for so long Wales have not been at the top table. So to have Jess there and like I said, hopefully the likes of Sophie, likes of Anne-Hara, James, you know, these have all been fantastic servants for many a year and they've

for too long they've been sat at home watching these major tournaments rather than playing in them. So I'm really looking forward to seeing them all performing. I think Jess has even spoken about maybe having to play for another 10 years because it looks like we might be getting a Home Nations World Cup in 2035. I wouldn't put it past her, to be honest. I wouldn't, I wouldn't. So we'll have to wait and see about that. Thank you very much. Yes, Sweden next for Wales on Tuesday night. They were 3-2 winners last night.

against Italy earlier this evening. So Sweden lead the group on seven points, Denmark after their victory here on six, Italy on three, and Wales in fourth place on that one point that they got against Sweden in Wrexham in the last window. So it finished here in Cardiff, Wales 1-0.

Dead might too. In the other Nations League games featuring the home nations, tough one for Scotland up against a very good Germany team. Scotland nil, Germany four. It finished. So Scotland still bottom of Group A1 having lost all three games.

And in Group B1, Northern Ireland drew 1-1 away to Romania. Poland beat Bosnia-Herzegovina 5-1 in that group. So Poland topped that group. They're on nine points. But Northern Ireland at the moment in second place in that group. If you finish in second place, then you get a playoff game against a team that finishes in third place in the A-League. But it's getting overly complicated now and there's still a few games to go. So don't worry about that one too much. My thanks to A-League.

and Danny Gabidon for their words on Wales against Denmark. And next up for England, as I say, they move from Bristol to Leuven for the return match against Belgium. Commentary on Tuesday night on Radio 5 Sports Extra and BBC Sounds. And I must say as well, look out for the Women's Football Weekly, as always, with Ellen White and Ben Haynes. That will have all the reaction to this round of Nations League fixtures that will be dropping on the BBC Sounds app next week. From us here at Ashton Gate...

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