In Focus with Scott McTominay and Billy Gilmour
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Are you getting Italian lessons? Yes, we both do Italian once a week so far. Yeah. With people from the university come in and we spend one hour with them. Of course, we're going to get better and we're going to try and speak Italian, but so far it's been going OK. Yeah? Billy Malto bene. Me...

The Football Daily Podcast on BBC Sounds Billy Gilmore, Scott McTominay thanks very much for making time for us it's been fantastic watching you both take Serie A by storm Billy, how would you sum up these last few months? The last few months have been good still a settling in period for us both and learning every day which has been good Scott, what's it been like these last few months? Got a few goals bit of a star man on the field as well how have you found it?

Yeah, similar to Billy, you know, like settling in and just learning to adapt and learning new teammates and new coaches and we've both enjoyed it.

In terms of the differences between the Premier League and Serie A, how would you sum it up so far, Scott, in terms of the football, would you say? Is there a big difference? Yeah, no, they're very, very similar, to be honest. Both really competitive leagues with some amazing players learning the different styles of play from each team. So, yeah, I would say it's a very difficult league. It's not easy to play in and, as you say, we're both learning and adapting as we go on. How would you...

Sum it up in terms of the differences that you've encountered so far, Billy, in terms of the style of football between Serie A and the Premier League. We always think of the Premier League as being so quick and Serie A maybe being a little bit more tactical. Yeah, pretty much what Scott said, as you say as well, tactical. Every game is very different in the way they set up, the way we set up. So for us, it's learning, adjusting to how quick the games come around and what we need to do to be ready.

It seems like an incredible city Naples, obsessed with football and I was really struck by the reaction when you were introduced to the fans initially. What was that like for the both of you? I think for me it was, mine was the last minute so I had to fly, fly over, do all the

like the test and stuff and then meet Scott at the stadium. That's when we actually first met, wasn't it? Before we went out. You got a bit before that. No, I meant that was in Napoli. But now, just so surreal and going out in front of all the fans, it was incredible. So how many fans had turned up just for the introduction to you and Scott and the players for the season ahead? It was before a game though, so they introduced us

All before a game and then me and Scott were in the stand watching the game and ended up winning the game. Our last minute winner, Frank. Big celebrations. Fantastic. In terms of Napoli, they've got a huge reputation. Obviously we'll talk a bit about Maradona in a bit but Scott, has it surprised you at all in terms of just how big this club is and what it means to the people of this city?

Not at all. I knew before coming here that Napoli is such a huge football club with very passionate fans and it's a huge city and everyone supports Napoli so people are so passionate and me and Billy are very, very grateful for

the affection and the love that they've shown us so far and we just want to repay that by playing as well as we possibly can and learning from the coach and doing our utmost best on the pitch. Absolutely. Is there a sense of pressure as well, Billy, from the expectation from the fans? Obviously, winning the Scudetto, this club, a couple of seasons back, last season didn't go so well and obviously they're looking at both of you as potential leaders in terms of trying to win Serie A this time around. Yeah, of course I think there's going to be pressure.

the fans want the very best and that's our job as a team to try and

showcase that in the pitch and win games and trophies but of course taking it right now step by step and we'll see how it goes. It's been a fantastic start to the season for Napoli obviously and so many good players in the squad apart from yourselves obviously Caviccia, Cavarciglia, Romelu Lukaku. Not bad, Caviccia, Cavarciglia, is that how you do it? Thanks very much. Giovanni Di Lorenzo, Matteo Politano, Italian internationals, really strong quality

How confident are you that you can win Serie A this season? No, for us, we aren't interested in discussing that. It's not important at this moment in time. We're in the end of November. You have to take every game step by step and

it's not right to look too far ahead in football because it never pans out the way that you envision or the way that you plan. You can only plan for the next game and doing your best in that game. And I'm sure Billy, the manager, the whole squad will reiterate that point that for us, it's the next training session to work and it's

it's the one after that as well. You must be hugely pleased with how it started though, Scott. It has been a fantastic start for yourself at the club. Yeah, I mean, you just have to give your best, you know, and if your best is your absolute maximum every time you go on the pitch, Billy's the same. I see him working every single day training to his maximum and he's improving all the time. I'm improving all the time. So is the coach. He's helping so many different players

in the squad that it's important that we listen to the messages that they're giving us and try and put them into practice as best we can in terms of a start. That is what it is. You get rewards from working hard. The goal against Inter, Scott, that must have been a huge moment for you though. I mean, Inter, I think, seen as one of the big rivals for Napoli for the title this season. You scored at the San Siro and it was a one-all draw. That must have felt like a big moment.

Yeah, in the game though, it was a big moment because we were a little bit up against it and we knew that they started well and they were pressing us hard. But as you say, we've had numerous players who've contributed in big moments and for us it's important that we have a collective where we have a squad who's doing it, which we have done so far. And it's a credit to the whole squad as a team because everyone's in it together. I want to talk about your relationship with Antonio Conte, Billy, because obviously you went from Rangers to Chelsea and...

Conte was there initially when you were coming through the youth ranks at Chelsea. How much contact did you have with Antonio Conte back then? Not much to be honest. Of course when I signed I was in the youth set-up. I trained maybe once or twice over but I was a young kid, wouldn't remember.

as I say, and he's known for winning trophies, very hard working man and he's always got his set up right against teams and you can see with all the teams he's managed, he's done very well. Yeah, and he obviously rates you so highly. What's he like as a manager and what sort of advice does he give you? I know training has been intense, there's been double sessions, you're training every day. What is he like as a manager? Quite a serious manager?

Yeah, of course he's a serious manager. He wants to do the best for the club and his squad. But I think he's pretty straightforward when it comes to explaining stuff. It's easy to understand. We get it. You go and put it onto the pitch and if there's a problem he's going to tell you. So it's definitely for us both since being here we've got the message straight and if it's not working he's going to tell you straight again. So for us it's to keep learning and

we're going to get better under Conte. What's it been like with you, Scott? As I say, it's been a fantastic start to this season for yourself and it almost feels like you're key in terms of the way that he's going to shape the entire team.

Yeah, the manager's been great. He's very, very demanding. He's got a clear structure and ideas in his head of how he wants his team to play. But he's also not as ruthless as what people think. He's a good side to him. You can have conversations with him, which is good. When it comes to training and working, it's business and we're there to work and we're there to win. And we all share that same ambition of why we would have never have came here. Yeah, absolutely.

We have to talk about Diego Maradona. I mean, you see his picture everywhere in this city. Is it almost a little bit surreal to be following in his footsteps, especially because he was such a pivotal figure in terms of Napoli winning the Scudetto when he was here, Billy. And now here you are, following in his footsteps, the fans all wanting you to do the same.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a bit far for us to try and go as close to Maradona. We know how much he's appreciated here and how much the people love him. You can see in the stadium named after him and how iconic he is in the city where you go. No matter where you can see Maradona pictures or posters or

and it's just full of it in Naples which is amazing for us as well as such an iconic player and one of the very best.

I know you're not feeling that you're probably at Maradona's level yet, Scott, but in terms of the adoration you're getting from the Napoli fans, they've already got their nicknames for you. McTotally, I think is how they describe you at the moment. That must feel pretty good. But aye, Maradona, murals everywhere. It's kind of surreal, isn't it? It's intoxicating in terms of the way that

the spirit of Maradona sort of envelopes this club, isn't it? Yeah, as you've been saying, no one can get anywhere near Maradona in terms of his legacy and how much of an icon he is in the game. But for us, as you say, it's all about respect and it's acknowledging how amazing he was for the fans and the people so passionate about him, which obviously translates into our passion for the club as well because we're inspired every time we go on the pitch to...

to do our best for them because they know that if we play well then they'll enjoy us but obviously if we're not playing so well then they push us to do better so it's important. Let's talk about lifestyle because obviously a huge difference going from the UK to Italy. How have you found it so far and what surprised you most, Billy? For me it's still trying to get settled, finding a place to live

But I think if you were to say the biggest change is the weather, for sure we'll both say that. It's easy enough to say, beautiful sunshine skies most days, there's been a little bit of rain, a little bit of wind, but no, enjoying the weather here. Incredible, this is late November, Scott, it's about 20 degrees as you put through your paces at the training ground today. In terms of the change that you found, obviously from swapping Manchester United for Napoli, has there been anything that surprised you in terms of the lifestyle aspect in particular?

No, I mean, I'm pretty sure Billy will say the same thing. My life has not changed too much. We go into the training ground, we go home, we have dinner, we rest, we recover. And then if there's an opportunity for the team to go for dinner or you go for dinner with your girlfriend or your family, then it's very, very similar. You're just in a different country. So for us, we've had many dinners together, come round to the house, we'll relax, watch the football together.

So it's been good, we've both enjoyed it and it's good that we've settled so quickly as well. Are you getting Italian lessons? Yes, we both do Italian once a week so far. With the people from the university coming and we spend one hour with them. Of course we're going to get better and we're going to try and speak Italian but so far it's been going okay. Yeah? Belli molto bene!

Un café per favore. Un café americano per favore, that's my favourite one. Scotty loves. After dinner, Scotty will ask for that to the waiter or the actress. Skoza, that's my favourite one of them. Do you think you'll be fluent by the end of the season? Yeah. Fluent by the end of the season? Yes. I mean...

We're going to try of course when you're over here, I think the best thing to do is try and get settled in and especially learn the language. All the boys speak Italian and they speak English too but for us it's a respect thing of course we're coming here we need to show that we're not just giving that like 50 percent you need to buy in fully to try and make yourself settle so for us to

learn Italian and pick up little things and when we do say some things and they change them they're a surprise or whatever, Italian. So it's good so of course we're going to try. Does Mr Conte speak to you in English or Italian? Italian. A little bit of both.

Always pleasant or sometimes shouting at you in Italian or English? No? Oh, well... Whatever takes his fancy. He can do whatever he wants, I suppose. Scott, it must have been a huge decision for you to leave Manchester United after 22 years. It's quite incredible. You're 27 years of age. It's basically your entire life at Manchester United. Yeah, how big a wrench was that, would you say?

I said this in the press conference before the Scotland games. To be honest with you, it was a big decision, but something that was quite straightforward. I saw the passionate fans, I saw the coach, I saw the players, and I saw an opportunity there for myself to push my career further. And I took it. I didn't look back. It didn't take me long to make the decision because I knew that that was what I wanted and I'll never have any regrets in my life where as soon as I put my mind to something, I want to do it. That's it. There's no holding you back.

For me, I love this place. I love the fans, I love my teammates. It's been a pleasure to be with Billy every day rather than just seeing him at Scotland. We've helped each other a lot, which has been good as well. You're Manchester United through and through and you had so many great moments at the club, but for a while it felt like there was nothing but speculation about you going here, there and everywhere else. Obviously, you've arrived here at Napoli. Were you surprised that Manchester United let you go? Was I surprised? Yes.

I don't know, you'll have to ask them. I don't read the newspapers, I don't read too much that goes on in terms of social media and stuff like that, so I wouldn't know too much of the reaction. But as I say, it's not important. The decision has been made from both parts and it was a mutual decision for all of us. It was a case of there's an opportunity there, do you want to go? Obviously, I know from their side, FFP is difficult, so it's not easy for football clubs to make a decision in regards to homegrown players. But for me, that was never in my...

in my thought process. My thought process was coming here, seeing the fans, how passionate they are, the coach, and hopefully coming here to do really good things. There was obviously some difficult times at Manchester United. Eric Ten Hag

who's gone now obviously you spoke very highly of you kind of got the feeling well i think he basically made it clear he was really disappointed that that you you left basically or the club decided to let you go um what was your relationship like with with eric yeah obviously on my last day um i had to go and see everyone and obviously granted i've been there for a long time so it was

It was not easy to say goodbye to people, but that's football, that's the life. I spoke to him, obviously he expressed his thoughts on the situation and it is what it is. I said, "Listen, it's my career, I'm here to push myself. "In this situation, I have to look out for number one, which is myself, "and go with my gut feeling of what I want to do in my career "and not be held back by any other external factors."

As you say, it was amicable. I love that football club to bits. They've been my life for 22 years, but I've moved on now and I thoroughly enjoy myself here and my new teammates, the staff. As you say, I've been very grateful to inherit such a great group of people, first and foremost. Such a big part of your life. Do you ever see yourself being back at Manchester United one day?

You never know in football. As you say, we've been talking about the league before, you can never look too far ahead in terms of steps after here. I'm concentrating on here and now and I'd be doing a disservice to the fans and my coaches to discuss anything along those lines. I just want to do my best for my teammates currently and not think too much ahead. Billy, in terms of yourself at Brighton & Hove Albion, it was a case of will he or won't he go to Napoli for a little while.

How tough a decision was it in the end to make that decision between Brighton and coming to this huge club of Napoli, of course? Yeah, for me, when I found out there was interest, I gave it some thought and I wanted to come. Similar situation at Scott where he says you want to push yourself.

you want to go and see how far you can go and come here, massive team, the fans, the club and what the challenge was to come here to do is get better and try and win trophies and for me I thought it was the right move and of course Brighton have been great with me when I was there

I kind of rebuild myself, got my confidence back and all the coaches I worked under there were class and the team mates, still keeping in touch with them all. When I was leaving, of course saying goodbye, it's never easy but you know you're doing the right thing and it's for you especially. You have to look after yourself in football and for me when I came here everyone's been really helpful.

try to make sure you're settling as quick as possible and with the manager and the boys on the team they do a very good job in that. You've had quite the career trajectory obviously Billy, a young lad growing up in Ardrossan, in Rangers, in Chelsea, Brighton now, here at Napoli of course. When you reflect back on it all, how do you sum up that journey? Yeah it's

Pretty crazy to be fair. If you were to ask me would I have been here five years ago, I'd say no. Even at Chelsea when I was six, when I was a young kid, no. But it's just the opportunities you get by working hard and giving your all

Of course, when the opportunity came up, I couldn't turn it down. It's always been something in my mind about going abroad and being a small player, technical player. I thought this would be definitely a league that suited me. So when it came up, I said, yes, 100%, I want to come here. And then, of course, when Scotty was coming, it makes it a little bit easier. You know, you can settle in. So, so far for me, I've been enjoying it.

I want to give them all. Working under Roberto Di Zorbi, did that help pave the way in terms of the Italian cultural shift and all the rest of it? I mean, I did speak to Roberto Di Zorbi before coming here. He basically said, Naples is a great club. He says you'll love it. The fans are amazing. And if that's what you're going to do, go and do it 100%, basically. He still...

Obviously he's at Marseille now, but I'm sure he played for Napoli when he was a young football player himself and he always said how good the club was. I remember I interviewed you just when you'd moved from Rangers to Chelsea and I was really impressed when you talked about your aim in life was to become the best player in the world and it was just the confidence and all the rest of it and I guess this is just another step

on that journey, Billy? I mean, I've got to have been with that when you interviewed me when I was 16. Aye. So, of course, stuff changes, but for me, it's still to be the best that I can totally be, and by pushing myself every day. I'm at Napoli now, and

massive steps from when I was at Chelsea to Norwich Brighton now here it's been enjoyable there's been ups and downs definitely and you just need to keep working hard as possible and of course playing at Scotland as well which we're doing really well big game coming up in March but we'll focus that closer to time just taking a step everything in my step and see how it goes

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The Nations League was obviously tough initially but what a fantastic ending from a Scotland point of view and now this playoff match as you mentioned against Greece in March. How confident are you that Scotland can get the right outcome with that one Billy? Yeah I think we'll be going into that game very confident. You can see from the full qualifying campaign I think the first game v Poland at home we played a really good match. Should have won. Should have won. It was three mistakes that we've

we've let them have basically. Should I beat Portugal or Wales? And then Portugal. So for us, we're both sitting here and we're telling you how annoyed we are and angry but that's football. If you give away a little mistake they're going to capitalise especially against top teams within a top Nations League group. So for us going into this game, yeah, we'll be confident. Absolutely. And Scott, some of the performances in the Nations League

were excellent from a Scotland point of view and the results early doors weren't obviously what you wanted but it came good in the end. Scotland will be in pot three for the World Cup qualifiers for 2026 which I guess is kind of disappointing in the sense it's obviously going to make things harder but still how confident are you that you can get through that qualifying campaign and get to the World Cup in North America? Yeah very confident. I feel like the games that we've had we've shown against pot one teams that we're more than capable of beating them

Like you say, we're both pissed off that we lost against Poland and Portugal, so that shows where we're at this moment in time. We could have potentially won those games. It's credit to Steve Clarke and his staff because the way that we've changed formation a little bit and we're starting to have more of the ball, I feel like obviously him and Kenny and the other midfield players are crucial in terms of the build-up and the centre-backs and Robbo and the right-back as well, Anthony Ralston.

For us, we have full confidence in the way that we're going and we just want to keep going with that, don't we? It was interesting, you know, you brought up the match against Poland, which Scotland eventually lost, obviously, but there was a time, I wonder if you agree with this, Billy, the Polish players actually looked terrified of you at one point, I feel like, Scott, when you were galloping towards them. It was a big performance from yourself in that match in particular. Is that how you feel about it? Yeah, I mean, in that game we were...

we were going into half-time thinking there's no way that we can't score here and there's no way that we don't win this game. So whenever the ending happened, obviously we're disappointed and like you say, we're angry, aren't we? So for us, in the next games coming up, we want to put that right and then you fall shy against Portugal, which was a tough pill to swallow as well. So, yeah, as you say, for us, I feel like we're on a good track. I said this in the last press conference before we'd even played the last two games.

and look at the difference in terms of the results and the media start to change the tune a little bit in terms of how they speak about the coach and the players and stuff like that so yeah for us we want to continue to push the whole group and do as well as we possibly can I don't want to blow smoke up your backside Scott but in the last little while for Scotland obviously with Napoli at the start of the season it feels like you're on a very much an upward trajectory in terms of your career is that how you feel about it you're 27 going to be 28 at the start of December is this a

what you call a real growth period for yourself as a player? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. It's just important that I continue to learn and do my best in whatever trajectory that I'm on. I want to just continue to do what I'm doing and give my absolute best, which is the only thing you can do in football. Some players can be very emotional sometimes, up and down, up and down confidence is not there. Sometimes it is.

I just try and keep a plain sailing balance of giving my best and hopefully that results in good performances and coming up with big moments. But do you feel like you are hitting new levels? Yeah, obviously for me I'm not the type of character to discuss my own trajectory or a level that I can play at. I just want to be feet on the ground and do my absolute best at all times and the rest takes care of itself. I know when you were a youth player at Manchester United they made you play up front for a little while.

Would that be something that you would take on from a Scotland point of view? Because sometimes goals have been a little bit hard to come by. You are this big goal-scoring presence for Scotland. Would that be something you'd be willing to take on? Yeah, I haven't played as a striker for seven, eight years now under Warren Joyce, and that was for two games. So, yeah, it's...

people hold on to things if I played on the left wing for two games in five years would people say that I'm a left winger no I'm a central midfield player Billy's a central midfield player that's just the way it's always been I feel like the media can attach themselves to something that's just not true completely so as a striker I don't know if you put me up there you'd have to see but I've never played there so I couldn't tell you but you'd be up for it if Steve Clarke asked you oh yeah yeah

He asked me to play centre back and I said yeah. That's true. For me, it doesn't matter just as long as I'm helping and I'm there to support people. It really doesn't matter. He could stick me in goal, I don't care. You could do a job up front, couldn't you, Billy? Do anything. Big and small up front. Hit the target man, I'll get seconds. It'll be alright. Try it.

Especially with his new boots, he's got these white prets. Oh yeah. Yeah, it'd be... It's been the talk of the last two days. Oh yeah. In a good way. I don't think he's misplaced the pass in like 300 passes in training, have you? The boots are top. Brought them out in Scottish, tried to take them but they're nice. White, all white boots, red, predator. Bellissimo. Bellissimo. Style is important when you're in this country, of course. Pretty much so. Yeah.

So yeah, ambitions and aspirations for this season then guys, how would you sum it up Billy? Of course for us it's game by game, it's far too early to say but you want to do well, you want to win stuff so for us we know we want to come here and try and win stuff, make the fans happy and then from a Scotland point of view it's to keep winning and to keep the fans on side and supporting and keep pushing.

And Scott, for you as well, ambitions and aspirations, how do you look at that for this season ahead? Yeah, similar. Work a lot, do our best, keep the feet on the ground and whatever happens, do it to your utmost ability and we'll see where we are come the end of the season. What do you miss most about the UK, and Scotland in particular, Billy? Is there anything in particular? Miss most? I don't know, I think it's maybe just the...

So far the freedom where you could just call your friends and be like, "Oh look, I'm round the corner or in the house." Here it's a bit different, family and friends maybe. But I've got my big man here so we're pretty tight and do a lot of things together. And same for you Scott? Is there anything particular? Yeah, it's obviously a change not having people on your doorstep to say, "Oh, do you want to come round or do this?" But we train a lot and we need to recover and

There's always times where family and friends can come out and stay for a week and whenever the restaurants open a little bit more in the March/April time it'll be nice for them to come and visit and come to the matches but like you say we've had people come and watch and visit and they've enjoyed it, haven't they? Yeah. For us there's always something to look forward to, like your brother will come or my mum and dad and stuff like that, so your parents as well.

Have you always been good pals in the Scotland set-up or has it reached new levels now you're both together here, seeing each other every day? Are you sick of the sight of each other? I remember texting Billy whenever he was at Chelsea and I said to him, you keep going the way that you're going and you'll be in the Scotland team and you'll be a big player. And that was, what, six, seven years ago? I felt like the old dog telling him, come on, and now he's took my place. No, it's been seamless, to be fair, isn't it? Yeah, it's been good. I mean, of course, both in the Scotland team and...

It's pretty easy when you come to a new club and you've got that familiar face. We've got closer. Obviously, the Scotland squad, you're there for 10 days and you're doing a lot of different stuff, but for us it's been top. Obviously, travelling back together and travelling here has been fun. There has been a Scottish invasion in Serie A. Why do you think that is? For me, obviously, you've had Aaron Hickey over here, Lewis Ferguson, Liam Henderson's here.

Josh Doig is also. It's a great opportunity and the league's top. For them, they've come over here and they've all done very well. In particular Lewis Ferguson, we've all seen him and how incredible he's done. And of course he's coming back from injury now which is great to see. But yeah, it's a top league and we've experienced that so far against the teams I've played in. You can see how competitive it is.

and that's all you want in football, to keep pushing and trying your best and seeing how far you can go. Was that part of the inspiration coming out here as well, Scott? Lewis Ferguson obviously had a sensational year last year for Bologna, hopefully he gets back up to those levels again after injury, but did that play a big part in terms of your decision in terms of trying Serie A? To be honest, no. It was more individual.

thought of where I want my career to go and stuff like that so obviously you know that other players have been here from Scotland, from England for example but yeah it's all an individual based decision like you can't base it off what someone else has done here or whatever it's just come here and work a lot and do your best. In terms of your own Scotland journey as well Scott there was a story that

Jose Mourinho played a huge part in terms of you becoming a Scotland player. Would it have happened anyway? I know that he spoke a lot to Alex McLeish at the time. What were the details involved there? Was that the general gist of it?

Jose was top class with me. He had so much time for me and he helped me so much. The decision was made anyway. No one had to come and tell me what to do or say to do this. I knew myself anyway, so it didn't really make too much of a difference. But it was good to hear the acknowledgement in the background that it's a good decision and it's something that you'll never, ever regret. And in football, that's the way it should be. You never have any regrets. If you work to your best, then...

and keep your feet on the ground you can do good things. What's the plan for the rest of the week then guys? Is it training every single day? Double sessions? No, we had a double session today so now it's home, recover, Scotts house for dinner, watch the Champions League and then train, recover, train, recover until our game. Rest. It's not a bad life though is it? Rest. Yeah, I mean it's not too dissimilar to what I would do whenever I was in the UK. I'd go home,

eat my lunch, rest a little bit, if some friends come round for dinner then have dinner and then go to sleep and then work again. That's the life of a footballer and sometimes people can make it a little too complicated by getting caught up in all these different things. It's the basics are the best. And could you see yourselves staying long term in Italy? Yeah, for sure. How long term?

let's say five years yeah of course we're here for our contract duration so you obviously have to prepare to be here for a long long time and there's no thoughts for us to want to go or do anything else and we love the people here they've been so good with us let alone the taxi drivers helped us a lot in terms of

Helping families, drivers around, people sorting houses, cars, they're really good people who've saved us a lot of hassle haven't they? Yep, just want to give you everything, make sure you're settling in as quick as possible and the easiest way is for them to help you and they do everything helping us so much and can't really thank them enough so far because everything they've done has made it so easy.

Fantastic to hear you've got such a nurturing environment here, Scott Billy. It's been an absolute pleasure spending time in your company. Will you have us back when you win the title at the end of the season? Just say yes! Yeah, go on. I'd love for you to come back if that's okay. Thanks guys, we'll see you soon. Thank you.

Take a world-class former football manager, cast him away on a desert island. The idea of a desert island doesn't frighten me at all. Hello, I'm Lauren Laverne, presenter of Desert Island Discs from BBC Radio 4. Joining us on the island, Gareth Southgate. I'm a huge patriot. Even just putting the training kit on...

looked at the badge and yeah it was quite a surreal moment from the tracks he treasures to the book he'd bring we talk leadership and life after England as we dive into Gareth's life and career I love reading books on leadership I'm also in a book club with a load of dads Gareth Southgate on Desert Island Discs listen on BBC Sounds Yoga is more than just exercise it's the spiritual practice that millions swear by

And in 2017, Miranda, a university tutor from London, joins a yoga school that promises profound transformation. It felt a really safe and welcoming space. After the yoga classes, I felt amazing. But soon, that calm, welcoming atmosphere leads to something far darker, a journey that leads to allegations of grooming, trafficking and exploitation across international borders. ♪

I don't have my passport, I don't have my phone, I don't have my bank cards, I have nothing. The passport being taken, the being in a house and not feeling like they can leave.

You just get sucked in so gradually.

And it's done so skillfully that you don't realize. And it's like this, the secret that's there. I wanted to believe that, you know, that...

Whatever they were doing, even if it seemed gross to me, was for some spiritual reason that I couldn't yet understand. Revealing the hidden secrets of a global yoga network. I feel that I have no other choice. The only thing I can do is to speak about this and to put my reputation and everything else on the line. I want truth and justice.

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