Q: It seems to my knowing that the pain and the constant difficulty in the body brings me to a new place of surrendered-ness and openness. Yes, it has taken me to a place where I'm noticing surrendered-ness. That's the flow.
B: Yes, there's nothing like pain to move an awakened being on, really. Just a little bit of pain, ouch, and you could move in the deep or in the shallow. If you're really awake, then a little bit of pain somehow loosens the grip of the conditional forms that are hanging around. Whether you, whether in the field, it really doesn't matter, but a little bit of pain says actually I don't belong to this pain. I'm not trying to get rid of it, this pain inspires me to be ultimately true. But get to the point where you don't need pain to be ultimately true. I think that's pretty good.
Q: The pain seems to constantly bring me to my knees. It's like giving up of condition, how it should look like, how the body should be and it's just constantly like giving up.
B: Yes. Well it's total. Well what we are really is total surrendered-ness. We arrived. Not through wanting or needing, we just arrive. And yeah to return you'll need to return the way you arrived. So you'll have to follow that streaming, and you didn't stream to hold onto anything, you didn't stream to change anything, you didn't stream to get anything, you streamed. Remember when you were a baby if you can, you streamed up to form and back as easy as the sun shines and clouds pass in the sky, you just, you knew the way. But what you didn't know was that the purpose and meaning of form and how form behaves. You didn't know how it behaves. You didn't know how mind behaves, that's a form, you didn't know how thought behaves, that's a form, you didn't know how feelings. You didn't know anything, so you had to enter all that form is and really know yourself before you could love yourself and release you of yourself. And then be, instead of being intimate as somebody, return to intimacy as Being, Knowledge.