cover of episode 296 | Brandon Ogbunu on Fitness Seascapes and the Course of Evolution

296 | Brandon Ogbunu on Fitness Seascapes and the Course of Evolution

2024/11/18
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What is the concept of a fitness landscape in evolutionary biology?

A fitness landscape is a metaphor introduced by Sewell Wright in the 1930s to visualize evolution. It represents the fitness of organisms as a function of their genetic variations. The landscape is high-dimensional, with fitness peaks and valleys indicating how different genetic mutations affect an organism's ability to survive and reproduce in a given environment.

Why is the fitness landscape metaphor considered limited in modern evolutionary biology?

The fitness landscape metaphor is limited because it assumes a static environment, whereas in reality, environments are dynamic and constantly changing, leading to the concept of a 'fitness seascape.' Additionally, it doesn't account for interactions between species, such as predation or competition, which also influence fitness. The metaphor also struggles to represent the high-dimensional nature of genetic variation.

How does epistasis complicate the understanding of fitness landscapes?

Epistasis refers to the interaction between mutations, where the effect of one mutation depends on the presence of another. This interaction can create ruggedness in the fitness landscape, making it difficult to predict evolutionary outcomes. For example, a mutation that increases fitness in one genetic background might decrease it in another, complicating the path of evolution.

What is the significance of the 'fitness seascape' concept?

The fitness seascape concept extends the fitness landscape metaphor by emphasizing that environments and fitness are not static but constantly changing. This reflects the real-world complexity of evolution, where factors like climate, interactions with other species, and resource availability can shift the fitness landscape over time, making evolutionary paths less predictable.

How does the idea of evolvability challenge traditional evolutionary theory?

Evolvability refers to the capacity of an organism or genome to evolve. It challenges traditional evolutionary theory by suggesting that the ability to evolve can itself be a trait under selection. This raises questions about whether evolution can shape organisms to be more or less evolvable, adding another layer of complexity to understanding evolutionary processes.

What role does complexity science play in understanding evolution?

Complexity science provides tools and frameworks to study the nonlinear interactions and emergent properties in biological systems. It helps evolutionary biologists understand how factors like gene-environment interactions, epistasis, and pleiotropy shape the fitness landscape. Complexity science also emphasizes the dynamic, non-equilibrium nature of biological systems, offering insights into the unpredictable and multifaceted nature of evolution.

How has modern technology influenced the study of fitness landscapes?

Modern technology, such as CRISPR-Cas9 and deep mutational scanning, allows scientists to explore fitness landscapes at an unprecedented scale. These tools enable researchers to create and analyze thousands of genetic variants, providing detailed insights into how mutations affect fitness. However, the high-dimensional nature of these landscapes remains a challenge for visualization and interpretation.

What are the ethical implications of engineering evolution?

Engineering evolution, such as through gene editing, raises significant ethical concerns, including the potential for unintended consequences, the moral implications of 'designing' organisms, and the risk of exacerbating social inequalities. Additionally, the technical limitations of predicting evolutionary outcomes highlight the need for caution and robust ethical frameworks to guide such endeavors.

What is the long-term evolution experiment and what has it revealed?

The long-term evolution experiment, initiated by Richard Lenski, involves evolving E. coli bacteria over thousands of generations in controlled laboratory conditions. It has provided insights into the predictability and randomness of evolution, showing both repeatable patterns and unique adaptations. The experiment has demonstrated how mutations accumulate, new traits emerge, and fitness landscapes shift over time.

How does the concept of 'physics envy' apply to evolutionary biology?

Physics envy refers to the desire in evolutionary biology to apply the deterministic, predictive models of physics to complex biological systems. However, biology often involves unpredictable and context-dependent processes, such as gene-environment interactions and epistasis, which resist simple modeling. This highlights the limitations of applying physics-like frameworks to inherently complex biological phenomena.

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Biological evolution via natural selection is a simple idea that becomes enormously complicated in its realization. Populations of organisms are driven toward increased "fitness," a measure of how successfully we reproduce our genetic information. But fitness is a subtle concept, changing with time and environment and interactions with other organisms around us. We talk with biologist Brandon Ogbunu about the best mathematical and conceptual tools for thinking about the messy complexities of evolution, and how modern technology is changing our way of thinking about it.

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Brandon Ogbunu received his Ph.D. in Genetics and Microbiology from Yale University. He is currently Assistant Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at Yale, and External Faculty at the Santa Fe Institute. He has been awarded a Fullbright Fellowship and was the Martin Luther King Jr. Visiting Professor at MIT. He has contributed to a number of publications, including Wired), Undark), and Quanta).

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