Episode 54: Hope as Resistance: Stuff That Needs to Be Said with John Pavlovitz
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**Hope is still possible, even when the pain of the world feels like too much. **What if kindness, empathy, and compassion are the way forward? Join host Kayla Craig and co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto with special guest John Pavlovitz. John is a writer, pastor, and activist. 

In the past five years, John's blog Stuff That Needs To Be Said has reached a diverse worldwide audience of millions of people. In 2017 he released his first book, A Bigger Table. His second book, Hope and Other Superpowers, arrived in November of 2018.

In this episode, we:

• Unpack what “hope” and “resistance” means and how we live them in today’s world
• Explore the role that community plays in hope
• Ask how we move beyond soundbites into embodied hope
• Reconcile the temptations of apathy against savorism 
• Identify steps each of us can take right now to be the kind of person the world needs

**Join us as we explore hope as resistance, pulling those threads to see how it looks like in our actual lives. **May we be galvanized, encouraged, and compelled by this conversation on pressing into pain and choosing a way of hope, even when the world feels pretty hopeless.

Recommended reading & resources:

• Hope and Other Superpowers by John Pavlovitz)
• John Pavlovitz)

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