Charlene Kaye is one of the lead singers of the band San Fermin. When not with San Fermin, she is also a fierce solo artist, whose songs make you rethink what you thought you knew of femininity and the word "pop". Ken Grand-Pierre sits with her in Chelsea, Manhattan sat to discuss life in the dark new Empire, why our stances matter, songwriting as a form of liberation, and the importance of fighting what's expected of you.