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On our call of the day segment. Yes, we've got some call of the day submissions. I've got to go through for tomorrow at speakpipe.com slash dairy podcast page today, though, Brad Holmes speaks. We'll get into that. The Lions GM speaking at the combine in Indianapolis asked about miles. Garrett asked about the draft. Well,

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let them know we're here daily, every single day, bringing you a content, guests, opinions, and everything on your Honolulu Blue and Silver Gladiators. All right, news of the day. We're going to get to what Dan Campbell had to say today, tomorrow. But the bigger story is Brad Holmes, Lions GM speaking today to the assembled media in Indianapolis. And one thing that Brad Holmes wanted to make clear

is that the Detroit Lions are not going to be drafting at 28, 56, whatever they're drafting the second round, based upon need. All right, Brad Holmes spoke for about 15, 16 minutes today and stated clear cut, quote, we're not a needs-based drafting team. So he was asked a question about last year and how he took a bunch of cornerbacks because the Lions needed cornerbacks.

And they doubled up on cornerbacks as they grabbed Terry on Arnold the first round and Ennis Raikstra in the second round. And Holmes said, quote, we just get the best football player for us. We don't really get too fixated on positions. But I will say that one last year just kind of lined up perfectly because of what we went through during that previous season where we got so low on secondary depth. And then he said, we're not a needs-based drafting team.

Everybody that has listened to this podcast or watched this podcast knows what we've been talking about on this program since the Lions lost to the Commanders in the playoffs. And that is this club needs help along the defensive line. What I love about Brad is that he belongs or doesn't belong. He believes in the trenches. And he said as much today, you win in the trenches.

All right. But most of the time, Brad Holmes is taking the best available player. The Lions need Aiden Hutchinson years ago. Yes, they did. They needed everything. They needed a right tackle. There were needs, but also those were guys that fit the Lions and those were guys that were great players. And Brad Holmes identified him and found him. Right. We knew a few years ago, two years ago. Why are the Lions drafting a running back and a middle linebacker?

In the first round together. What are they doing? Don't they have enough running backs? Why do they need a, you know, they just signed David Montgomery. You're going to go get your mere Gibbs linebacker. You already have Alex, Alex Anzalone. You got Derek Barnes. You've got other, why are you taking Jack Campbell? Well, it turned out those four guys, especially two years ago, Laporta and tight end branch at safety and Gibbs and Campbell at running back and linebacker respectively were the best players on their board and they grabbed them.

So we believe, I believe as a Lions fan, and many of you agree, that the Lions need help along the defensive line. Alim McNeil might not be healthy to start the year. Aiden Hutchinson's coming back from breaking his leg in two different places. Your pass rush was not good enough this year once Hutchinson left. There were shades, you know, week 18 against Minnesota where you blitzed and where, you know, Muhammad and Z'Darrius Smith and all these guys were flying around.

you might lose Levi Onzerike and free agency. So while we're all sitting here going, oh, at 28, just take the best available edge rusher. Take Shamar Stewart, take Mike Green, take Jack Sawyer, whomever. Lions need an edge rusher opposite of Hutch. We've been talking about that for a couple of years. But according to Brad Holmes, we're not a needs-based drafting team. So he's going to take who he thinks is the best available player at 28. So if they take a wide receiver at 28, we all go, wide receiver? What are they doing? It's because Brad feels like that's the best player out there.

for them at that time. If it's another corner, and again, we're going to know more about free agency before the draft, but I'm just telling you the comment Brad made today about we're not a needs-based drafting team kind of goes along with everything he's saying and has said for four years. But this team needs help along the defensive line because you saw what Philadelphia did to Kansas City in the Super Bowl, and you saw what Washington's offensive line did to the Lions in that last playoff game. They dominated the line of scrimmage. They beat them at their own game.

So as far as Miles Garrett goes, let's first talk about Browns general manager, Andrew Berry, who again today made the comment, they're not trading Miles Garrett. Quote, our stance really has not changed. We can't imagine a situation. We're not having Miles as part of the organization as best for the Browns. End quote. Brad Holmes today was talking about the scarcity and value of pass rushers, which he also said when they got Zedaria Smith at the deadline last year.

He did add that they're working on an extension and planning an extension for Aiden Hutchinson. When he was asked if they could add another premier pass rusher, given the cost, Holmes said, quote, probably not, end quote. They know they got to pay Aiden Hutchinson. You know he's going to be asking for around $30 million a year. That's what Miles Garrett's going to want, too. He's in the last two years of his deal with the Browns.

um he's going to want a new contract he's arguably the best defensive end or edge rusher in the game so brad holmes squashing any notion that you're going to have two highly paid highly compensated edge rushers at the same time probably not he didn't say 100 so you're saying there's a chance i'm not going to go that far

in a dumb and dumber quote, but you know what I mean. It doesn't look like, it doesn't look good. So while we sit here and talk every single day about a Miles Garrett trade, number one, the Browns say they're not trading him. Number two, the Lions say, you probably can't afford to. Another high level edge rusher, probably can't afford to. That at least is according to Brad Holmes. All right, Nick Baumgartner is going to join us next. He heard Brad speak. We'll ask him about that and more right here on a Tuesday edition of Locked on Lions.

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Pretty good. It's actually warm out here, Matt. We got like a decent day. No coat today. Getting a little sweat going, so we're good. Not bad. No, it's actually been sunny and 50 here, so I don't know what's happening, but it's great. A little weird. Go ahead. It's a little weird, but we're doing okay. Plus, that's such a walkable city where you are in Indy, so perfect day for you. All right, Brad Holmes speaks. I mentioned coming into you.

Doesn't sound like Miles Garrett's coming, and it doesn't sound like they're going to draft based on need at 28 if they need an edge or they need a D tackle. What did you take from what Holmes said today? Yeah, I think it was interesting. Him and Andrew Barry were talking right next to each other here in Cleveland, and Barry talked for like 25 minutes and got asked several times about Miles Garrett and said straight up, like, I'm not trading him. So, you know, I don't know if that's, you know, his current, you know, situation that they're standing on right now or if that would change down the road. And then Holmes was asked, you know, the same thing, you know, about,

you know, are you one elite Edrus or away? What are the odds of you adding one? And it said, you know, unlikely, I guess was the answer, you know, doubtful, whatever it was. I think that with that stuff, when they say that, it's like, I don't think that they, that they would give up on that situation. I mean, I think that my guess on that would be he keeps in contact with them throughout. If as long as this thing remains kind of a in question, whether or not he gets moved and then,

If something were to come up later on where it's a decent deal, maybe that happens. But I don't think they'll be at the front of the line for it. Like I've said for a couple months, I think if they make any kind of move right now, it would be to trade up in the draft, possibly. I could see them doing that. But doing something with Garrett, I'm not sure. I'm not sure we could say that today with any confidence. Anything else stand out as far as what Brad had to say today in regards to any of their own free agents or the owns Rike situation or anything like that?

A lot of them, a lot of it was about pass rush in general. I think he talked a lot about

If anything from last year, the lesson was that they just lost way too many. They just ran out of guys. They thought they had covered their bases with it, and obviously they didn't. It was a situation of you've got to have more. I think this year's group of defensive tackles is really good. This group of edges is interesting enough. I think that's where it seems like anyway, if they have a need or an area to focus on, that's where they'll go. Holmes says this all the time. He says it every year here.

they're not a needs-based team when they draft. It's, you know, whatever our favorite guy that comes up at a reasonable position, you know, we're taking him. Like, if that's a receiver, if that's a tight end, whatever, you know, that kind of thing like that, I think that there are certain spots that, obviously, I'm not taking a running back or a quarterback, but, like,

I think that they're still pretty open and flexible with a lot of this stuff, especially at the bottom of the first round there. And then also in situation, they're in position to play the board like they did last year with carry on. So I think they're flexible and that's where I think Holmes likes to operate. Just sort of let everybody else worry about what he wants to do. And then, then he'll do his thing on draft day.

Nick, you just said you wouldn't be surprised if Brad trades up, which he has done to get Brian Branch. He did to get Terry and Arnold. He did to get Jamison Williams. Who is there somebody that you think that he would target and move up to get if that's the case? Yeah, I think that it's interesting, right? Because this board, we don't know how it's going to shake out. Like the quarterbacks are not, this is not a, you know, top heavy group of quarter. It's a mystery of where they're going to land. So again,

based on, you know, teams needs where, you know, certain guys are going to go, how far like Will Johnson is a guy at Michigan, right? The, the, before the season was probably, you know, looked at as a top five talent. Some people might still have them on there, but like if he starts sliding into the teams or something like, and he's there, he's a guy that you had three on your board. Like that's the type of guy, even though maybe you, you say, well, we need another corner, but it's not the most, but we love this guy. Like that's the type of guy I,

I could see them making a move for. I've even thought about like, I doubt this would happen, but like if one of those, like if Mason Graham slid down into a reasonable spot. And if you want to talk about trading first and trading assets, like that to me would be put him with Aiden Hutchinson and let, let that be your, you know, big next piece that you have. So I could see,

them waiting to see where some of these linemen fall and then maybe, you know, or a corner and then see if they can make a, make a pound. So another guy too, I wouldn't rule out receiver, man. Like a Mecca egg boop is going to be out there, you know, they're going to let him like, so, I mean, it's a really interesting draft because I don't know where we're going to go. I mean, Holmes is always places close to the vest, but they could go to a number of different areas here.

Well, it worked for the Eagles. They just drafted all Georgia players. So if you put Mason Graham, let's go get Kenneth Grant too. And Aiden, Michigan fans around here would love that. They would, they would love that, but I don't think he'll fall that far. I don't think that'll be a question, but that's like the theory. Like if a guy, you know, a talent in the top 10 is there at 17 randomly, like I think that they could be in position to go do that. You know what I mean?

Nick Baumgartner with us from theathletic.com, live and direct right now from Indianapolis for the Combine. What do you, you know, again with Brad, but he says it all the time. You're right about not getting a need, not filling a need, but gosh, that D line is the biggest need this time around, sitting at 28, which isn't the greatest place to sit, but that means you won a lot of football games, which they did. But don't you agree that, let's say they re-up Carlton Davis,

that need, there is the need this time, isn't there? Huge. Yeah. And I think that that's where he, this was the most, I think he's ever sort of, he kept saying, you know, we're not a needs-based team. We're not a needs-based team. But he also was like, we ran out of guys up front last year, period. Like that's what happened. So, you know, somebody asked him, you know, if you feel like you're one edge away kind of thing, trying to hit into the Miles Garrett conversation. His response was like, I'd like three of them. I'd like three more if we could find them, you know, like we don't ever want to run out of pass rush again. So I think that that's,

Because you're right. That would be the one obvious area where it's like you do need help there badly. You needed that before Aiden got hurt. You know what I mean? So I think the defensive line in general would be a spot to attack. Because like you mentioned, Levi, don't know what's going to happen there. I got to think Levi's going to get paid somewhere else and they're going to see him go home. Did actually make a comment today about fans are going to have to get used to seeing a couple of really good players leave because they can't pay everybody. So Levi could be one of those spots.

Like I thought about Kirby Joseph, if he's going to get resigned, I think maybe he would be in their plans, but they're juggling things right now. And I think the defensive line would be the area where they'd like to replenish maybe in this draft. Yesterday, I was talking about the PFT list, the top 100 free agents. Carlton Davis was on there. I think it was, he was 19. Levi was 31 and Zeitler was 36, which I thought was a little bit too high for, too low for Zeitler. I think he's better. Is there one of those three that you would go or maybe one of those, forget Levi, Levi,

Davis or Zeitler, who's a bigger priority in your mind? I think Carlton. I think he was so good when he was healthy. And Zeitler was awesome. Like, I mean, I don't want to say that he wasn't, but the revelation there of Christian Mahogany at the end of the year, I think probably changes the math a little bit on that, at least. Because, I mean, I know that we'll see about Graham, Lasko, and how much they like with all that, too. They could address that in the draft as well, interior offensive line. But I think Mahogany was so good that they could maybe feel comfortable about going forward with him.

And moving on from Zeitler who could get nice money somewhere else. But Charles Davis to me is the guy that I would, and they might have some competition for him. Like he's a really good man coverage corner, really tough. I would see, I could see Aaron Glenn wanting to grab him and bring him with him, you know, to New York too. So, but that's the guy to me that I think he fits them so well. He fits their room really well. Like,

All the young guys liked him. He did everything that they needed him to do. And when he got hurt, he was one of the ones that almost like Ali McNeil. When they lost him, it was like, you can't replace him. So to me, I don't know if Terry Arnold is ready to be that guy yet all the way. And I would be, you need some more help there if you lose him. So he would be the guy that I would probably target the best or the top anyway. Nick, it's interesting. You just brought up the old line. Let's go there for a second. Glasgow had a really bad second half. PFF graded them very low. You're right.

Best case scenario would be maybe Graham becomes a swing guy, Mahogany moves to left guard, and you re-up Zeitler. If that doesn't happen, could you see a scenario, and you look at the board and say there could be an interior offensive lineman for the Lions at 28? Absolutely, and I think that that would almost maybe even be my second, like, after edge. I would almost think that, because there are going to be some quality guys there, and, you know, we've talked a lot about

Do you want to do the thing where you get your next center in here while Frank's already here so you can let him work with him for a couple of years or whatever it is? I don't know if that would be the case, but there are some guys in that range where they're at, or even if they wanted to move down, Tyler Booker from Alabama, Zabel, the kid from North Dakota State. I think those are guys that could

immediately come in and do something and probably start and probably, you know, find a way to start. But if you put them between Sewell and Ragnow, I mean, like one, anybody could hang in there for a little while. So I do think that'll be something that they address somewhere in the draft, no matter what. And it absolutely could be early. Yeah. I think I wouldn't shock me at all. If they take a line in there at 28, one of those guys fall.

It would be interesting. We just joked about Michigan players, but think about the Ohio State guys. You mentioned Egbuga, the wide receiver. Jack Sawyer fits the Lions. Maybe Jackson, the guard, fits the Lions too. Those are three Buckeyes. I know that would

tick off some folks around here, but those are all guys hovering around that 28 spot. Absolutely. I think that Donovan Jackson would be a really interesting one because he's a guy who played really well at tackle for them at the end last year, but he's been a guard his entire career. He's a really good one. He's a really good athlete. I think he would fit really well with what they do. And then you mentioned those edges, like Sawyer,

I came around on him. Like I was at the end of that Michigan game when he was losing his mind, I was kind of like, man, what are you doing? But he played so well in the playoffs and you're right. Like, I feel like he would be a great compliment to Hutchinson. And also I think JT, Julio Malvao, I can never say his name, but I think both of those guys would actually be pretty good compliments to Aiden. I think they would fit.

really well. So there's a lot of Ohio State loaded, as we know, always. But I think all those guys at the top, Igbuka would be amazing in this offense if you put him next to St. Brown. I mean, it would be ridiculous. But almost at that point, you wonder if it's overkill too. But yeah, all those guys would fit. I mean, I think that they're on the target list, I would say, for Detroit this year. Is Emeka big enough to be an outside guy, you think? I think he is. To me, Emeka is this year's St. Brown. You know, I think that that's what this is. He's the guy that

I think he can play all the spots. I think he can play in the slot and the Z X, it would be tough, you know, obviously depending on the situation around him, but that's a guy that like, you know, Sean Payton always calls that the Joker position, the guy that will bounce out and do 15 different things for you. Like that's him. Like, I think he's a guy that will probably end up going a lot higher than people realize. Cause he's not a lead athlete. He's not the best athlete they've had coming out of there, but he's about as smooth as they've had. I mean, he is just as dependable as,

He's a bigger version of Smith and Jigba there, and he was really good too. So I really liked him a lot. I think a lot of teams are going to feel the same way there. More with Nick Baumgartner. Please subscribe and read him at theathletic.com. I do all the time. They do a great job there. He and Colton Pouncey as well with the podcast. More with Nick. We'll get into some specific players and edge names next with Nick Baumgartner.

Nick Baumgartner with us from theathletic.com on a Tuesday edition of Locked on Lions. He is in Indianapolis for the Combine. All right, Nick, as far as 28 and if Brad decides to just dupe us and take the edge rusher, a lot of names have come up. Do you think Mike Green will be there at 28, number one? And number two, what about Shamar Stewart?

I'm not sure if Mike Green's going to be there. Mike Green's an interesting one. I think that there's still a lot to be – I think this is going to be a big week for him. I think teams don't know anything about him yet because he was a guy that – Virginia, he did nothing there. He left and then just blows up at Marshall. So I think there's a really wide range on him. You see teams that have talked about like in terms of pure talent, he's a top 12 player probably in terms of pure talent in this class. That's not ridiculous to suggest, but at the same time,

He's really never tested himself against anybody. So I could see him being there. I mean, I could see him being there at the bottom. I think he would be a really good, another one of those guys that would be almost exactly what you're looking for opposite Hutchinson. Although I do have times where I wonder, you know, do they prefer Hutchinson to be the guy that's on the weak side rushing or they like him to be the guy that's over on the, on the strong side? Because if that's the case, if they want a bigger edge, then Shamar Stewart is maybe, maybe the guy that we're talking about there. Cause he's the guy with the big wall. He's got a lot of length.

He's young too. He's 6'6", like 280, something like that, 275. So I think he would be a guy that could play more, you know, over a tackle, over a tight end as well, and then let Aiden maybe work just against the tackle if you can make that swing. So there's really a lot of options there. You know, kind of Donovan Izaraku from Boston College is another one. He's like 6'2".

34 and a half inch arms, really good burst. It's just a really good pass rusher that can win one-on-ones. And so I look at it as like, Aiden's going to get a lot of doubles. He's going to get a lot of attention no matter where you try to line them up. If I'm the lines, I need a guy who just can get off the ball with an explosive first step and just beat a tackle one-on-one, just win one-on-one. So there's a lot of guys in this class, I think,

play four or five spots for you or do a bunch of stuff and they may not be so good against the run, but they can get down on third down to make a play. I think there's a lot of guys, James Pierce from Tennessee, that could also fall in there. Michael Williams, the kid from Georgia with all the traits, like I don't know where he's going to slide either. He could be one also that they fall in love with.

What about interior defensive linemen? Do you see a scenario where, all right, Levi walks, maybe Reeder gets cut for cap, and they're going, all right, we got to replenish that spot rather quickly. I know they're waiting on Broderick Martin. Obviously, Aleem hopefully is healthy. But do you see a scenario where that could take place and then they take a big fella at 28th?

Yeah, I think that I'm not sure what I could see that happening at 28 for sure. You know, there's definitely guys that, you know, like if, like if a Derek Herman falls, the kid from Oregon who was at Michigan State there, by the way, Michigan State, my God, there's so many guys that they had in there that are now going to get drafted that never from other schools. It's ridiculous. But anyway, there's guys like that. If they slide down, I think they would be a possibility, but I do think even if they don't do it at 28, this is, this is the best defensive tackle class we've seen in a good minute. And it's easily the best position of this draft. So yeah,

And they need one. They need a couple, frankly. So I think that they'll definitely address it. It would surprise me if they don't address it by the end of day two, quite frankly, because I think there's a lot of guys at the top who are really good players who could get pushed down even because there's so many of them. Who are you excited to see this week work out? And obviously kind of a disappointment with some of these quarterbacks that aren't going to. But what are you thinking about?

I mean, to me, it's at this point, you always question like how much of this is even worth it at this point, right? Because all the quarterbacks will have to market to do anything. There's some running backs. I think I'd like to see run. There's a lot of really good running backs in this class and the tight ends. I think those are the two, like the receivers are kind of, you know, it's, there's a few of them that are all right, but this is a really good tight end class and a really good receiver class. So if like Tyler Warren and Loveland decide to do stuff here, that,

That would be pretty cool because those guys, you know, they're splitting hairs and they both, there are teams that have both those guys in the top 10 on their boards. So, you know, just elite, elite athletes. I think those guys would be really fun to see if they do everything here. I'm not sure if they will, but like, that's the big question them. And then there's a bunch of running backs that I think, like we said earlier, maybe even like three that could slip into the first round. That wouldn't shock me. So yeah.

Caleb Johnson to get from Iowa, Mario Hanson from Carolina, Judkins and Trevion from Ohio State, you know, those guys as well. So really deep running back class. I think there's a lot of guys there that are going to do well this week with testing.

You're Tyler Warren. You just stay in Indy. I mean, that to me, that is such a fit for him is the Colts who have no tight ends. Yeah. What about the quarterbacks? What's your take right now on where they are? And do you think Shador is making a mistake by not working out there? Yeah, I think that I, yes, I think he is. I think he's, I think he's missing an opportunity. I think I said the same thing at Shrine. He was there and didn't do anything. And I thought that was a massive missed opportunity. The entire league was there, you know, like, I mean, it's not, he's not a no doubt player. He's not a,

he's not a bust through player. And I know that he's talking like he is. And that's been the message that they're putting out there, but that's just, you're not going to talk your way into that being real, you know? So to me, it's, it's, he's hot. It feels like there's some hiding going on, even though there's been a lot, you know, he has thrown the ball a lot. There's been a lot of, he's made a lot of attempts in the last three years. So there's a lot on tape.

but he hasn't played anybody and that's the other part of it too it's like what the best win that he had was tcu in the first game that they had in colorado i mean they did not play anybody i mean when we really boil it down so i don't think either he or ward has done enough to really slam dunk anybody but but the question with these quarterbacks is so difficult now because these teams are so desperate they almost it's like they don't have a choice they have to get a guy so

It's hard to say that it's a mistake, but I do feel like it's a missed opportunity because either guy could just cement themselves. You go out here and kill it, and then you're no questions asked, but they don't want to do it, and so that's that. Is Abdul Carter the best player that you think is in this draft? I think so. I think it's him or Hunter, but Carter to me is the guy that –

when the year went on, he just got better and better. And it was almost every time he got into his stance, he got better. And his playoff run, you know, late in the season, how good he was, you know, some of those games, he was just completely dominant. So I feel like given that he's so young, this was his first year as a full-time edge. He was on that Parsons track. He's built like Micah. They like him there at Penn State a lot. Nobody really has anything bad to say about him. I think he's, if I'm Tennessee, he's the guy that I would have a hard time saying no to. Hunter's,

tough because he's just you know there's so much special about him but Carter is kind of freaky a little bit there yeah

Final thing. Look, we know Jared Goff had a bad last game. And so that gets the golf haters all revved up. Lions have their quarterback and it's nice. And now you look at what the Rams are having to do with Stafford and all these teams are maybe trying to make phone calls and, and see about that. It just, it does prioritize just how important it is to have that guy. Doesn't it? And that Detroit fans probably need to take a step back and breathe because

all of these guys are out there and i don't know how many how big of a difference if aaron rogers goes to the raiders or kirk cousins goes to cleveland how big of a difference they really would make right oh my god like how many how many teams right now if you took a poll the league would just swap positions with them let's say we'll take your we'll take off like immediately without even thinking i mean it's it's endless so i think any criticism of that at the end is i mean it's fair to say like yeah they didn't get the job done and he didn't he didn't play his best when they needed him to and

that's not good enough for a guy that's making that kind of money and he's not going to have that many more chances. Right. So those are all fair things to say, but to get mad and be like, they need to upgrade. It's like, no, that's not, they have the guy that fits them perfectly for everything they do. You know, and that's the thing I think Campbell talked a little bit today about

at adding John Morton, you know, and why they decided to do that. And part of it was he was here when they built the offense. He was with Ben when they put it together. The thing that will be talked about is the other guy that was in the room was golf. Like the guy that was almost as responsible as putting as building the whole thing, building it and rebuilding it was him. They did it with, it was Ben Johnson, Jared Goff, Morgan, a couple of other guys. And he was as involved as anybody else. So I feel like,

People don't realize that. Like, golf's intelligence and IQ and connection with what they're doing on offense is about as good as you'll find in the NFL right now at the quarterback spot. He's so in tune, you know what I mean, and in sync with everything they're doing that it would be foolish, you know, to look at anything else. Check out Nick Baumgartner in The Athletic and, of course, the podcast as well with Colton Pouncey. Great to see you, brother. Thanks for doing this. Yes, sir. Absolutely, Matt. Take care, bud. You got it. There he is, Nick Baumgartner with us from Indianapolis on a Tuesday locked on lines.