cover of episode The ‘FBI’ called. Then she got scammed.

The ‘FBI’ called. Then she got scammed.

2024/12/12
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Judith Boivin:详细描述了她如何一步步落入骗局,从接到自称Rockville警察局的电话,到被骗子诱导转移全部退休金,以及她对骗子、银行和政府的看法。她强调自己并非愚蠢,而是被骗子精心设计的骗局所操纵,并表达了对自身遭遇的内疚和羞愧。她希望自己的经历能够帮助其他受害者避免类似的遭遇。 Michelle Singletary:作为华盛顿邮报的个人理财专栏作家,她对Judith的案例进行了深入分析,揭示了骗局的运作方式、相关机构的责任以及如何防止此类事件再次发生。她强调媒体通常关注大型诈骗案,而忽略了像Judith这样的小额受害者,并呼吁公众提高警惕,不要轻信任何来电或短信。她还讨论了相关立法,例如恢复盗窃损失税收抵扣,以及执法部门和金融机构在打击诈骗方面的努力。 Martine Powers:作为节目的主持人,她引导访谈的进行,并对关键信息进行总结和提问,例如骗局的细节、Judith的心理状态、相关机构的责任以及法律层面的问题。 Jamie Raskin:作为众议员,他致力于推动恢复盗窃损失税收抵扣的立法,以帮助诈骗受害者。他认为,恢复这一税收抵扣是合理的,并且应该得到两党的支持。 Wayne Jacobs:作为真正的FBI探员,他表达了对诈骗事件的震惊和愤怒,并介绍了FBI在打击诈骗方面的努力,包括刑事调查和公众教育。他强调了受害者及时报案的重要性。

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Key Insights

How much money did Judith Boivin lose to the scam?

Judith lost approximately $595,000 from her retirement account.

Why did Judith initially trust the scammers?

She trusted them because the caller ID showed the Rockville Police Department, and the scammers used spoofed numbers to appear legitimate.

What was the scammers' plan to convince Judith to transfer her money?

They told her that her Social Security number was being used by a drug cartel, and if she transferred her money to a government locker, it would be safe and returned to her after the case was resolved.

How did the scammers manipulate Judith into handing over her money?

They coached her to withdraw money in increments, wrap it in specific ways, and hand it over in parking lots while they stayed on the phone with her, making her believe FBI agents were watching the exchange.

What was the role of the real FBI agent Wayne Jacobs in this story?

The real FBI agent, Wayne Jacobs, was horrified to learn that scammers had used his name and reputation to victimize Judith. He works in fraud investigation and was deeply affected by the misuse of his identity.

Why does Judith feel the banks could have done more to prevent her loss?

She believes the banks could have provided more detailed warnings about common scams and explained how scammers operate. She felt their response was insufficient, especially since they flagged her account as suspicious but took too long to act.

What is the current status of legislation to help scam victims like Judith?

Legislation to restore the theft deduction, which would allow victims to deduct stolen money from their taxes, has stalled in Congress. However, there is hope that bipartisan support could revive it.

How has Judith's life changed since the scam?

She has faced significant financial and emotional challenges, including a $180,000 tax bill on the stolen money. She has joined a support group for scam victims and is working to raise awareness about the issue.

What advice does Michelle Singletary give to prevent falling for scams?

She advises people to 'do nothing' when approached by scammers, emphasizing the importance of pausing, not clicking, not calling back, and not acting under pressure. Emotional decisions often lead to financial mistakes.

What message does Judith want to share with others?

She wants to warn others about the dangers of scams, urge financial institutions to do more to protect customers, and encourage victims not to feel ashamed. She believes sharing her story could help prevent others from falling victim.

Shownotes Transcript

Americans are being conned every day by increasingly sophisticated scams. Today, we hear the story of one woman who lost her life's savings to a government impersonation scam.

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According to the Federal Trade Commission, Americans were scammed out of more than $10 billion in 2023. And that’s just what’s been reported.

Most scam victims never report the crime because they feel shame and embarrassment).

In “Scammed),” a seven-part series, personal finance columnist Michelle Singletary explains how con artists exploit human nature and technology to manipulate their victims. She joins “Post Reports” to tell the story of how Judith Boivin lost her life’s savings) to a government impersonation scam. 

Today’s show was produced by Charla Freeland. It was edited by Maggie Penman and Ted Muldoon, who also mixed the show. Thank you to Joshua Carroll and Amber Ferguson. 

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