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I would say you just before you secutor that every podcast opens with one person asking the other how are you and it's always their fine or no this time your choice. I am simultaneity eeoc and really, really imitated both about apple. So um take a bit if you want to go with other one or just walk away from the topic, that'd be fine with me. And in the meantime.

how you um yeah i'm doing fine. Just, you know, a crazy life stuff, mostly good. I got a nice fancy new trash can the other day. I'm prety excited about, you know, adult stuff. U m 2 .

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But I will say um apple side plus, if you are a pace of describer, you will not get any ads and you'll get to listen to our adam show this week are going to talk about how we involve our family and technology basically, do they like IT? Do they hate IT? Do we have a spouse or a loved one where we're just over there installing smart locks and smart lights and they just resent us for IT or what's going on there? So I want to dive into that a little bit and how we handle bringing our love of technology into other people's lives.

But I actually so could we also include how people bring their lack of love of technology into our lives? I have a story about that. But for later, I mean, a group today, I don't think that's wrong and i'm so excited about one particular thing. So go with you will get into IT .

A A lot of news this week, at least a lot of stuff in the rumor space. We ve got some rumors to discuss, but why do you tell me what you're excited about.

what's going on? Final cut pro eleven is here, and it's great. I mean, I only had just to play that I hadn't done a proper video, but I actually I took the last video IT and I ripped to the part trying all the new effects and new transitions.

And this i'm got into the new workplace stuff that will speed up some of my stuff later. But it's just utterly, utterly gorgeous. And this also find a cut pro IT to be two point one for the ipad, which i've now down loaded, but I haven't had chance to play with.

Ah if you know when a favorite tool l add something, you know will help you. And he does IT so well, I think you can hear in my voice, I was just, I SAT bolter pride when I heard I went to read, actually, an apple insider that I was. I was like for, I read to the end of the headline, I run to my mac to download IT. So that's exciting me. If you got anything like that cheering you up, well.

all get to that. But the apple did update the entire sweet of media editing apps, not just the pro ones. We also have an eye movie update that was pretty minor. Logic pro got an update across iphone and or ipad mac as well. And the final cut pro camera got .

testing there. I was waited to hear, would you explain about loggie prose update? I use logic pro, but in the most minor surface way. And I looked at the updates, I don't understand what they are, maybe where's won't know this. But now we're just gonna cover that up and move on to the the final cut pro camera.

No, I mean, IT looks like logic pro has an interesting new feature called quantum simulation. It's it's a plugin that allows you to basically specialize their music in a natural accused of space and let them listen to IT. Uh I you can adjust the way the space sounds so that's interesting.

Um so kind of a just a audio simulator, right? That's right. And the final cut pro camera looks like they've just basically got features for the new iphone features. So I have looked .

into that yet, but i've seen IT from the final cut process because final cut pro and now support things like a much higher frame rate. And I believe fun up per camera was, I assumed that was the the big change, but of course, special. Video, the new phone.

You right? I may be mistaken. I was thinking of a kino, the APP a made by the makers of added features this week as well for space. Al, no, no, sorry for the capture control but um I can not find information about camera .

funny thing about I know for certain one of the things funk time is that the higher frame rates you can show to a hundred and frames for second and ordinary, you would do that for when you then want to do slow motion things. But actually one of things found a cup pro does this take ordinary twenty four and thirty frame per second things and applies A I to make a very smooth slow motion if you want. So I suppose surely the physically faster one must be Better, but I was surprised that there were both options.

I did get a chance to try out the one twenty frames recording .

OK oh and yes.

IT looks like the only real like the biggest update is fork once twenty footage inside of final cut camera but um yes, I was at a renison fair and we got to watch some getting and I recorded some of that in slow motion IT was a lot of fun seeing the hosting spiers a shatter and slow motion that was fun.

Actually you do that and i've seen apple's ads of A A woman doing some footage of some sort supporting count, what IT is install motion. And I realized, I don't know how you do IT. Is IT just like you have photo, video, slow motion? Or is there some more detailed features?

There's two ways to do IT you can activate default to 4k one twenty from the settings， which means everything you record will have massive files, but be able to be edited for slow motion if you want. Or you can go to the slow mo setting inside of the camera video at so open camera, swipe over to slow mo, and then select one twenty in there. And that lets you record and one one twenty slow bo.

So which ever way you want to do? Of course you can record that one twenty. And then just use the full face rate, if you want to as well, or downsides to sixty, and just have a really buttery smooth texts, just highly useful.

Depends on the content, something like sports or kids running, pets running, high movement, high velocity, very useful, good tracking on the subject, that kind of stuff. So um very, very fun feature. I'm glad apple is always using their game and video.

but because we do to make a cut pro camera, have you used the live gone? It's called now when you can monitor the output of your iphone on your ipad in final cut and pull the footy june, if you use that at all.

Haven't had much use for IT, but it's definitely an interesting idea. Want to have reason to use IT, but um yeah I guess life has to give you those reasons. Always love seeing like it's like the shot on iphone stuff and it's just like, yeah, if you go to this amazing beautiful place, you're gonna take amazing, beautiful photos.

Meanwhile, here in good old northeast tennessee, it's just like, all right, here's some trees and sometimes that can be beautiful. But again, like unless like there's you have a direct use case like a wedding or a large birthday party or like just something decked out where you can have some cameras lying around trying to capture different things that can be interesting. But I just have to use case for that. Very good for a video professional.

I would say, well, the reason I is just I just had a thing with IT. I've fused IT in my like office studio thing and I think is incredibly effective but I had to shoot something was to say on the location is a big grand since it's just the bottle of the garden. But for some reason I could not get the footage.

You know, you see the footage life on your ipad and you can start editing straight away. But it's a very low rest. One is just when the shootings over, then if the full rest gets kind of magic over to you.

And I could not get that last bit to work for some reason, whereas I haven't figured at all. So it's just kind of meme softly where you relying on IT IT was forty second shoot I needed for something. So I just did IT again the next day, but be a fun longer stuff.

So but I imagine that something I was doing wrong. But you know what is like to go out to film something? And you really should give yourself time to try IT before you depend on IT. And I didn't do that.

So so what's got what's got me excited this week is apple also revealed their lining up of apple k games going through january nights.

And I entirely missed that me a game. I mean, i've been playing a game this week, but still, for whatever reason, I am absent ent games. Are any of these likely .

to convert me? No, but they're exciting for people who like games. So there's fifteen titles been announced and some of them look pretty incredible.

Um we have first of all, three different final fantasy y titles coming to apple arcane, which is pretty awesome. Um we had an adjacent one called fanton made by the maker final fantasy, which is still an excEllent game on there. If you've never play plantation and you like h RPG, that is one to go for.

But now we're going to get final fantasy four three to make and it's um I guess technically it's equal. And then we're also gonna the pixel perfect remastered, a final fantasy, the original game which gives me some hope that maybe we're just gonna all of the final fantasies and apple arcade, which would be really cool playing them one at a time. It's kind of a walk through history.

If you've never played these titles, they are amazing. The three d remic is technically the games that they made way back for the lindo ds. Or three D S.

And I played fan of Fanny three in that format and I was just fun. It's a qc way to animate that portion of the series. And the pixel re master is actually more a true to the general superintendent release.

So um I think that these are going to be awesome titles, and i'm very excited for the final fantasy is but there's so much more skateboarding game that looks like it's really well thought out. We have two vision pro titles coming as well as one of them. This really cute looking toward defence game where you can.

Walk around the map and and see where the place objects and see the miniature battles going on. And there is a cartoony detail, but it's very nice. Lots of lots of fun things going on here. Some glad apple continues to remember that they have a apple arcade.

But you said fifteen games, that's a huge. I had the impression here, the arched as the od one every now, again, fifteen cents. Is there a season for new games or something as IT? Well, Christmas is coming up with, is IT in any way trying to promote upper arcade before holiday season?

It's it's definite a good way to promote because a lot of people get new devices, new. They they turn on their new ipad for the first time Christmas day and they get that promotional three months, three of apparate, and they opened IT up and then they see all these games coming in. These new games and IT makes them excited, makes someone to subscribed.

So IT makes a lot of sense. But if you've been following games as long as I have, it's not unusual. Um game there used to be a time when the a september to november was the busier season in gaming.

You'd e three would start in june. They would announce everything coming up for the year and then I would all slowly come out and I would just be this extra and you'd never have time to play all of IT. That's kind of changed over the years where games just kind of come out all the time. Now we have these little waves in february, April, june, August just is a you're just never done anymore, which is fine, but I am excited that there are so many. It's not just the number though, like they're all pretty high quality titles. Uh just going down the listen in front of me here, there's a trails of money trials of money game coming um to application which is another um but it's an action RPG a style so that's another one that's kind of been missing from this apple ade so far my kind of ocean horn kind fell into that but I was more of an adventure game like elda this once an actual RPG with any of those words mean anything .

to you note which role playing, a role player, a game?

I played .

dungeons and dragons once in college, and I didn't really understand that in my lost. Maybe that's .

where IT all went wrong for me, right? Is there's a lot of cute little things here. We have three kingdom heroes that looks like another table top style.

No, this yeah this once more of a strategy battler. Like there's just there's one that's called its literally just mowing, which is funny people, people like their little gardening and mowing sims. There is one called little cities diarra.

And this is the other vision pro game. I yes, this is the apple vision pro game where it's a sim city style almost pixellated um game where you're standing above the city and it's pixel sum. And then as you get closer that it's more three d which is really fun way to visualize this.

And you can lay out the map on your floor and just walk around your city and put IT together. This is definitely something i'm interested in. I'm a huge fan of city. Seems I group with sim city two thousand and that soundtrack is still playing on loop in .

my brain so I get that about simple but dioramas i'd never heard of a diagram until community and they seem to do so many of them. And then and absence where they mentioned someone was doing a diarra about a world without diarra ah is this part of the us. System that we don't have here? H it's definitely .

emphasize heavily in the elementary school, know I K build this, build this thing and get a great on IT or whatever. But anyway, moving on from games. Let's let's get to rumors. There is a time going on in the rumor space this week.

Yes, I can not tell you my favorite about the apple ring. I'm never quite sure how to pronounce the name of the company's o ura at a the CEO of aura said, now apples never gonna make a smart ring. And i'm thinking, I know you know more than I do, but still it's gotta an another material you wish there was something he said the way phrased that that just rang me straight back to palm in about two thousand six just before the offences yeah these computer people, they couldn't do IT and .

then they did IT. How would do you break into an establish market like that?

I would never happen if they. And that, I mean, I get that smiling must be hard, which is something else he was saying. But with mebby phones back then, IT was all the Carriers are in control.

Um is hard to imagine a new company coming on you to the field anyway doing anything with smart ring this well, you just you have the small thing of making IT. We don't have to negotiate with the fpc, say you don't have to find a tame Carrier to support IT. If you confit IT into another rica system like your own, then you're away, aren't you? It's i'm really silly.

These rumors around the apple ring, I find very funny because IT very clearly, apple has been working on an apple ing internally that there's no question between patterns and different leaks and just the general interest of the market. Apple is thinking about this product that doesn't mean they'll ever release, but they're definitely thinking about IT and the idea we've heard a couple of different mercy. We've never even considered IT and it's just like, no, here's the pattern that they filed saying that they considered IT. So at the very least, we know that's false.

But will an apple wearing ever arrive? Who knows? I think it's redundant um to an apple watch and how do you Price IT if it's joy just like the apple, what you run into this other issue, you buy this gold band, it's gonna eight hundred dollars or twelve hundred or sixteen hundred dollars um if it's titanium, six, seven, eight hundred dollars again, you're out pricing the apple watch just because of the material, the band and if it's this cheap humanum thing, fine but then where do you Price IT? Is he going to somehow costs less than an apple watch?

If the whole purpose of this is to be cheaper than an apple watch, IT would have to be one hundred dollars. And apple just doesn't do that, especially in this space is just like a speaker is one thing, but a wearable health sensor that's and that miniaturization of technology. I just don't understand how they're na Price IT, so just doesn't feel like a market .

that would fit them. interesting. So let me trying to form a thought here. So let me trying to put you out in bits. When the apple watch came out， you absolutely totally had to have an iphone and you still do really, but less so even so then right then back at the start, after watch series zero, has IT became known.

IT told the time IT did something, a ring that would, I can't see what a ring could do if I didn't have a watch or iphone connected to IT. So is IT like a bundle that they would have to be? They are apple.

What serious eleven and ring? Or is IT just a some people would buy because he's got apple on IT? I'm not saying i'm necessarily one of them.

but there IT would provide different metric. So honestly, this is this is what's weird about an apple ring. IT would be fine on its own as a very, very basic like heart rate detection may be that kind of stuff. But really outside of that, there's not much else it's going to be able to do alone. But if you pay IT with an apple watch, IT would be a really good companion to have the apple watch in your left hand and the apple ring on your right hand and then you can get Better.

Just full body hero sticks of like here's your ecg taken across these two nodes or um here's your heart rate or body temperature from these sides of your body uh different things like that can be become more useful because you have two data points that are just one I just but the accuracy of such small sensors come in a question, how long will the battery last when the battery is a symbol? right? So um people make these obviously like ordering another.

Companies make these, and they are very basic compared to something like the apple watch with so many advances, features and a display. So who knows apple could put on apple bring tomorrow. The technologies here is not impossible. It's actually very straight forward. I'm sure to make an apple would hardly get fifteen lawsuits from different other rainmakers.

I just honestly, I think apple would do Better to kind of pull a partnership here and say we're going to go with someone like ora and they're going to integrate deeply with apple health and work with the apple watch. But IT just doesn't feel like an apple product to me. You'd be interesting to see what they do in the space if they do try IT.

though apple doesn't go well. Well, no, apple doesn't go in for partnerships, but IT does a part of with people like suppliers and then dishes them the most good moments. And I did work with a lot of partners we know over the failed apple car life. That's interesting. Yes.

sometimes apple does do these things like instead of if they don't want to sell a thing anymore that will make someone else sell IT like with belkin, with the vision profit strap or they give up on the um the battery the apple mag safe battery pack. And they're like, well, every everyone else can just make that. We don't need to make that like there's things that they there's product categories like smart home cameras that they don't have to make, that they let other companies make for home kit. But that might change according to recent rumors.

could say that i've had rumors, but I IT sounds me like apples to have everything. But you're right, they got rid of all sorts of things. I didn't realize the belkin a strap. Are you saying IT was an apple thing or that you ought to have been an apple thing?

Well, out to, I think, maybe is the right twor. IT seems to be very closely resembling the strapped people were the first time they did the demo, and IT just kind of disappeared off the face of the earth and off of apple's website. And suddenly this very similar belt product shows up.

So it's like apple doesn't want to say, hey, the solo loop isn't enough. So they don't want to sell IT, but they're let belkin sell IT because IT doesn't matter what belin says. It's not apple just like apples just fine with third party companies selling leather kids. It's not apple selling that, so doesn't matter.

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So there's a lot of smart home technologies. Let's get to that. There's a lot of rumors to jump through.

We have a wider strategy ahead. Now this isn't a surprise if anyone has been paying attention to rumors. This latest thing is not a surprise.

It's been said for at least a year to that apple wants to invest more in hardware development of the smart home. So we've heard talk of apple developing their own smart bulbs, smart switches and possibly even cameras. And now we have more concrete evidence from the supply chain.

A from our old friends mean I quo who is uh analyst, flash blogger and he this seems to be full on analyst stuff. This seems to this comes directly from a company that apple previously worked with us that backed off because of issues uh, with their a simply process, not not having good yields. So apple kind of drop them off and now they seem to have return because they trust them to make smart cameras instead of iphones.

I suppose the company is called go go tech, and they seem to be on track to be building by twenty twenty six smart cameras. So I P base cameras that you put in your home and work with, like home kit, secure video IT would be an apple base camera. And I guess what have apple specific features may be tied Better to the ecosystem, but we will get to that in the second because there seems to be a greater shift in the ecosystem here with these cameras. So on top of that, i'll talk about this first go. Text also been asked to create the next iteration of airports due in twenty twenty six, with new health features.

Oh, I miss this completely. What yet more help us with yet more health? How much more healthy stuff can they be? God does IT was been near eight more vegetables. I'm not buying that. No, no.

I think you'd be a heart rate detection, that kind of stuff. I believe on top of the hearing aid, a features getting Better, there's always room for more skin and health detection type stuff from the ear that you can get again.

If you wear a watch, a ring and airports, then you have four areas that you can track and IT can compare and create these larger data sets that A I can analyze until you a little bit about your health, right? So, and if we get blood pressure, man, that you can have a really clear picture of your health. If you ever go to a doctor, that's what they do.

They take your body temperature and your blood pressure, and that tells them how healthy you are in that second. Now, if you have that just tracking on you all the time from four different data points, IT starts to get interesting how well you can know your body, the vitals. APP has been really interesting for me since IT released because i've gotten sick with a cold a couple of times and IT just knows before that happens like a day before I actually get full on symptoms. It's like your vital show that you had a tough night sleeping, your heart rate was higher, your breathe, your breathing was higher um your wrist body temperature was higher and then hours later i'm cuffing and sneezing and dying.

So okay so that kind of RAM top at the end of um it's like impressive but not very useful because it's common if if you trust this information .

and i'm i'm starting trust at mork and i'm seeing a pattern. It's not that it's telling you to do IT, but now you have information you can act on wake up with that vitals reading, go take a shot of date will get ahead of IT you know I mean get some I B profit in your body. Take, you know, just to kill IT before I can get too crazy.

Because a lot of times when I started for attention, a lot of times when we take medicine, it's because the symptoms are already happening. You can actually take medicine as a preventative A A lot of the time like you can get ahead of the symptoms if if your wrist watch nose how healthy you are or about to be and you're able to take medicine to get ahead of IT, then you can beat IT before IT gets bad enough that notice IT, right? So that, like anti system means are a perfect example.

People with allergies know this. If you go to a house with a new pet, if you're visiting a friend and they have a different dog, you're gona be a snap monster for the next couple hours, or you could just take a singular and then go visit them and you're perfectly farm because you kill the you took the antihistamine before you needed IT, right? So like so preventive medicine and apple can't really do this too directly because fda stuff. But I like the idea of having this overall view of my body and being able to take action on IT. I do think that is useful.

okay. I'm just saying is going to be a partners to an apple and various pharmacies. 不， C V is IT C V S. As a famous, as I ve said in the bone, the born films, someone like that, that apple should have a deal with the colonial of druggist.

Yeah, well, you know all of well.

actually ban esperon get an extra g about byle oud space. I with that right?

Yeah, you could literally eat your data.

I mean, so so I I do think .

the best villains and movies are farm, well, pharmaceutical companies. So now you have your umbrella corporation and resent evil that creates the zombie virus, right? So I think apple becoming a pharmaceutical company is just the right step in the direction of them eventually, you know, being the either the over rollers of the universe or destroyed. So whatever is a timeline, we end up being on anyway.

Okay, I was having a lovely time, right?

So in other smart hole news, we have just an incredible mental detail about the device we haven't really thought we have we've discussed, but we have only had inlay. It's got a square display. It's going to be a smart home device and it's kind of ipad.

But I might have a speaker, don't have an aim for yet. No knows what to call this thing we're calling in a home hub here at apple insider. Uh, it's but I think this report from linux paints a clear picture of what apples going for. And I want to know what you think are you excited by this product? You know what i'm talking about?

Well, I get mixed up in the rumours here, the one I caught recently that actually something that might appeal is like a wall matted ipad. Because here in my officer, I used to do exactly that. I had an old one of the original twelve point nine eight ipad posed the first generation of IT.

And IT was a little bit fault. I, A little bit quality, couldn't really work on IT, but it's SAT very nicely on my wall. And IT showed me things I wanted to know. And then I had to lean IT to a family member. And well, maybe that's a topic for insider plus, but you can forget ever getting something like .

that back a matter. So the lowest Price ipad today is three hundred twenty nine dollars. It's not really feasible to hang a bunch of these under house, especially since they are not built for that use case.

There are displays are not always on. They don't have a way to display information that way without having a specific APP. And then you have the the mi on batteries hanging around your house, constantly running g through them.

Even if you plug them into the wall, you're in danger of a rapidly aging that battery, if you've ever paid attention of this stuff. People who done this ten years ago have ipad swelling on their walls. eventually.

It's a live in my own battery. There are apple did not build these devices to work this way. It's a cool idea and concept. But once you execute, it's not always going to a end up the way it's supposed you because apple just did not plan for this device to be continuously running the battery. So this new device, this homework b would be a small square screen kind of like an ipad mini would assume I just more square and it's going to have basic, basic functions.

We're talking apple watch chip set, okay, that communicates over wifi to get display yal information whether you're streaming a video from youtube or showing your home controls or someone rings the door belt and you get a camera feed is saying, is so basic apple isn't even going is considering not even releasing an APP store for IT IT would just be like the original apple TV and have third party apps sign up for access to a kind of car play or if you again, if you remember that original apple TV like I had netflix, you just didn't go to an ap sord downside um so this device the pitches you pay for that I don't know about two hundred dollars, I assume one to one fifty for a display and then you buy mule. Apple expects people to buy multiple of them from a single household. And what you do is you have a bunch of anker points.

You put an anker point in the kitchen, so be at on a wall. And the way I subscribed as apple would offer a fear for anker points in the third parties could make more. And the ones being described as walmart, a adjustable like boom ARM, or stand, or a speaker stand, or just a simple tripod stand, right? So you would put IT on a tripod by your bedside, and then you would walk to the living room m and put IT in a speaker stand to play music, and then you'd walk to the kitchen and put IT on a warmouth to cook.

And you would just Carry this thing everywhere with you. I would just be the smart display that was user agent o. Stic, that was connected to your entire smart home capable of showing you whatever information you wanted at the moment.

It's made to always be on and always be running. So it's safe and built for this purpose. And maybe you would have one or maybe you'd have one upstairs and one downstairs, right? And or one per user in the house, if you really want, depending on the Price of the product.

Now this is apple. So I could be more expensive. I can't see being more than an ipad, but we see. So what what do you think of this product as an idea? Uh.

I think just the way you describe that, you are more into this. And I am my thought there is, I already have my iphone with me wherever I go. Why do I need another screen? And if I do mounted, I mean, I really did like having IT on my way.

I did have problems finding apps to show things. I was as even making my own at one point in yeah, wasn't a good experience. But if the data is on their useful, if I can be acted, then I can, I could, I could enjoy having on the wall, except the power thing for I I prom.

My head here was, um was actually the power connector, the lighting connect to do something if he. But even so, I had a long, long, wide. I got an extra long lightning cable. I am, I gonna have have one of those in the kitchen.

Are we talking knocking through walls for this? I mean, it's it's so far it's not like a tough cell for something that time so you've already got, but i'm not kind of ruling IT out. So I can see a possibility but not convincing IT there at all. But then, of course, you are ipad, man, aren't you? So have you ever a mounted ipads like this?

No, I wanted use my ipad, not stare at that way. But the idea here is good in concept. But apple actually made this same argument that you're making right now.

A years ago, people asked if apple is interested in releasing a home plot with a screen. And I think the answer was a you ready heavy screen. It's your iphone, it's your ipad, it's your mac.

And I think I understand that cinema, right, like especially so I like the idea of a permanently mount to display, right? But then people don't because they're like, well, then I need to buy one for every my house and that's intinded. So I get where apples going with this kind of hub like movable system.

And I think you would act as like a central home kit thing, thread radio, like it's gonna all that kind of stuff in IT. So it's more than just a tablet. It's meant to be A A relay.

And I think i've seen people describing IT as IT wouldn't be able to run A I, but I can access a reay for A I between like home pods. IT would create kind of a interconnected network for these kinds of commands and these things. So it's going to serve more than that purpose.

And I think apple would be leaning heavily on those other features as the pitch. But the central idea here is, yes, you can move at room to room, but I don't think apple actually expects you to tuck and on your arms and take you everywhere you go. It's just you have the capability of when you're in the kitchen, its in the kitchen with you.

When you're in living room, it's the living room with you. It's a face time device you get on a call as this camera on the front um that lets you make calls like that like or I would be imagined in the office as a meeting device. I don't know.

Maybe I would use IT to keep slack open because there is no way to do that on ipad. It's just a million different ways this thing could be used. I can see IT working because i'm with you on this.

There's already have a device in my pocket, already Carry an ipad mini around with me everywhere. Honestly, why do I need this? Well, I think we need to think outside the box a little bit.

There's a couple of things here. Um first, people are obviously interested in smart home displays. Um me, the user, the tech guy knows how to control the home.

Not everyone does. And if someone came into your house and just saw a little screen with A A couple of button that says lights, that's understandable. That's doable.

That's teacher. That's very simple. Uh you know someone comes into feature pets.

They see this tablet. You say you just leave a text saying everything's on the tablet. They can pick up and control your home. There you go um IT becomes a family device. You know maybe your children you didn't want them to have an ipad, but this thing kind of becomes a more safe space.

IT doesn't have so far and not can be browser, the internet with that you can, you know, lock IT down so they can get on youtube kids or watch children shows, right? And IT becomes more of supervision, onal and easy to control than a full in personal ipad or iphone, right? There's so many ways this can work even from an accessibility standpoint, just having large displays in the home that can display information at a gLance without you having to reach out opening up.

One of the features of this device that was described as IT will have a proximity sensor and a person sensor. So IT knows how many people in the room and those who's looking at IT and giving a command. So when you give me a command, if you're far away, it's just going to show like you say, hey, what's the temperature is going to show a big number on the screen or what's the weather yeah and if you as as you get closer, the density of the information offers gets more dense. So those kinds of understandings.

And so like say, if you're in a White chair, you if you're for you don't early want to be fumbling around an iphone and ipad and not see your little devices, but you can just look at the wall and get the information you need, right? So it's that it's leak. A opposite component to a home pot part is an audio interface.

This is a visual interface. And now you can have one in every room of your home if you want to. I think that that would be the pitch the .

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So I would like to put the thing back on my wall. And there are very things i've actually buying. A cheat, TV said, going to get to the mac for IT. Are you saying, hold on, William, next tuesday is going to .

be one of these things, march? That seems maybe. And this is getting back to the original conversation about cameras. So apple apparently is going to use this to gage interest in apple made smart home goods. And if this does well, the smart cameras they are making with tie directly into these devices.

Um but for me personally, because that everyone is use case is different, but how I would use IT I would own maybe too um because there's only two people living in the home and there's an upstairs and downstairs and the way we just have our home set up IT would make sense for there to be a device upstairs on the device downstairs. For me in my office, I would have IT probably mounted to the wall or off to the side and have IT playing I don't know, maybe see the, what is that channel? C, N, B, C, what? When a register crane was on, right?

The stocks and new channel, you would have that. Well.

I really want to watch tim cramer, but I just remember that the channel he's on. But if i'm working day shift we used to do, I would keep that on all the time because if news would come in through that so that, that would be a useful. Tool for that device or like I said, I would have slack open or um funny enough um I i'd have to share to the showing.

Tes, i'd discovered a new device someone made that's a little pixel screen. It's cute mounted to a piece of wood, which is why I think it's so expensive that you play anywhere in your home. And IT thinks to whatever you're playing on apple music or spotify.

And IT just shows the album mark, work on this cute little picks later display, right? So I would have this on a bookshelf. So this apple smart display, yes, IT doesn't have that a that I think I would still own this separately.

They just for fun. But this would be hang. That means people house could see me listening to the kids from fame.

again. I just playing on the whole pods.

okay, right?

Maybe in this place where you're socialized person, whose interactions on the human beings like, so like this display would show music and give guests control of music in the living room, like that. That's how I would use that.

I would I would mount IT and like the diagram and you could seek because sometimes we just have simple gaza and music playing and I would be called to just have that information available or you know I mean, like it's just a simple information display, its passive computing. And I I think whether an ipad is active computing, ipad you hold in your hand and you use IT, that is the separate use case. This is just giving you information.

It's giving you videos s giving you music or imaging or a big playing a slide show or showing the clock passive versus active. And I think that's the difference here. And that's why this this device has to be Priced a bit lower. But alternatively, we there's another device on the pipeline that is apparently going to .

cause her one thousand dollars, right? Yeah, like this is no idea what this one is.

Well, this one would be the super, the supervision of this, the pro version of this. So take everything I just said and apply IT to a robotic A I assistant .

that look around the room.

It's a touch. Your robotic ARM and IT follows you as you move around and, uh, communicates with you. And I think this is the quote, quote, A I hub for your home.

But that one, if this is if this cheaper smart display mounting system that we discussed earlier is coming on march, the robotic ARM one is twenty six. You know something like that. Do you know i'm .

not happy to wait for that one. I'm alright with that. I know from previous discussions I do remember doing before, I didn't connect the dots here that you said you would buy one at a curiosity.

But also I think because you can see use for IT and I can't um where as you nearly sold me the thing nearly sold me on the kind of whole amount thing is when you said that dog cam stuff that the face would appear there. And i'm thinking Better on that than on apple TV when i'm watching something, you know. So yeah, it's an interesting concept.

I want to see apple's pitch. They're usually good .

at pitching things.

And of course, there were times to the home kit ecosystem. There's a lot going on here. But moving on because there's still a couple more things going to get to. After rumors, we got one more person claiming the apple vision probe time mine has has shifted. So .

right .

now, bloomberg is seems to be citing with mini quo on the idea that the lower Prices apple vision pro has been push back to at least twenty twenty seven um which is interesting.

I can see that being the case I mentioned before that vision prose timeline I never expected to secure until at least twenty six for me whatever whether IT was the pro or the lower Price model but IT looks like even the lower prize model because the logistics of getting a lower Priced isn't worth the tradeoffs right now. But I will be in twenty, twenty seven. That's what's happening is it's not that they can't do IT now.

It's just IT would be still be too expensive. Apple doesn't apple, I said IT before. Apple doesn't care to be three times the Price of of these classes like you go buy a three hundred dollar pair of meta bands or whatever they cost.

And apple's version of that would be over a thousand dollars. So I I think the lower Price apple vision pro is still going to be around two thousand dollars, and apple has no shame in that. But getting that to right now, the vision probe sold is basically the cost of the part of thirty five hundred dollars.

They're selling IT very close to cost. So I think getting at lower Prices is just very difficult at the moment. So that makes sense that they would push that back.

They're still gona charge and army like for like fifteen hundred at least, I think. But IT will be lowered than thirty five hundred dollars, but getting IT to that point, making IT makes sense without sacrificing visual fidelity and controlling systems is very difficult. I mean, IT has to be lighter way.

IT has to be lower Priced, and we're just not there yet. So in the meantime, and I still disagree with this, rumors are suggesting apple come out with a vision pro, not to just vision pro update point a one point five with an in five processor, nothing would change the same, identical design control systems. Visionary as everything as identic, IT would just have an in five ships set to make IT more powerful and that would come either in twenty five or twenty six.

I'm still in my original time line. Go back to when I said IT make a marker. Remember I said that still holds. I'm thinking twenty twenty six as the sooners will see a new vision pro of any kind. And this in five version, I think would be early twenty twenty six at the earliest. And IT IT makes sense that they would just bump up the chip set to from an m two to one m five with really no thought to otherwise.

I with you on the the new headset, a new design of IT, but I guess I so simple to put in the number five and of whatever once in there. Now I imagine this slightly more involved than I think. But even so, why not just bung in the latest thing, a spec bund for the news version?

And I think that and that's why this would be like ipad many seven is still I pad many seven even though just a chip set up great. So they might even call this apple vision pro too, but it's still just a chip set up grade. And I wonder how I will pitch IT because honestly, for my perspective, I was stuck in ipad territory right when I had the ipad with in one, two ipad pro came out.

I was not compelled to buy an m2 ipad pro that IT was just faster processor， but there was nothing peaking my m one processor yet. Nothing I was doing on my m one ipad pro didn't even think, and there was no redesign. Other is an apple pencil cover, which I didn't need.

There was nothing compelling me up. great. I didn't. And I honestly, as much as I love this headset, if is the same fidelity, same control systems and the only thing that changes the m five I, there's a good chance I won't upgrade simply because yet astronomical cost.

But they they really would have to convince me this this thing that you want to do is only possible on in five. Then I would consider them up great. But there's a pretty solid chance that I I won't need that in five apple vision pro, especially if nothing else changes. Now they do anything else different, it'll be more attempting, but we'll just have to wait and .

see what they do. I remember saying to before that he wasn't to be the head step, but talking about changes in platforms and how when radio started, IT was a sound version of virtue. When televisions started, IT was a video version of radio.

And then each of these media, these platforms, found their own way. When you discover there about I pit, maybe remember that IT teams to me that the vision pro is a thing of itself. But it's also a way to use ipad apps.

It's a way to use mac apps. I don't feel like I need a vision pro to use a mac ups because i've got a mac and i've got an ipad. The thing of the bit of itself that is new is that enough yet? I just think .

that given the developer attention, twenty twenty six, like february twenty twenty six is going to be such a different environment from today that's a long way away that we could be seeing real attention from developers, real attention from media production that IT just isn't happening IT because it's so new.

So I think there is a chance that that in five would make a difference because they are going to be like the only way to play beat seibu with the and five. I don't believe that I it's it's a good game, but it's a simple game. So I think that there is a chance there will be some feature or some superpower。 Maybe that's their excuse.

They'll say this is the only way to get apple intelligence on intelligent process with the end five, whatever something there could trigger well down, I need to get rid of my first model and buy the new model whatever it's going be very they'll have to really, it's me, a high cell for me. They are going have to really sell for me to upgrade to a in five. But we are seeing apple take more interesting in vision pro over time because it's getting more global.

But the Price want to change. I mean, even in five one is going to cost thirty five hundred dollars is no, that's not gonna change. But as they launched globally and have more experiences and this new ulterior mac display, people are talking about IT. I think people forget the five thousand dollar um pro display.

X D R. Yes.

right is of words experienced in using apple vision pro for mac right now. Think about IT.

Okay, I know very hard, but i'm thinking about IT. right?

People well works, but there are there is a market is on saying a the the studio display starts at fifteen hundred dollars and no texture, everything else that gets up there. So it's not that apple like apple vision pro.

If you even just if you treat that as an expensive display, then you're getting into interesting thought markets, right? You yes, only you can use IT, but most people buy monitors and only use that to, right? So the market, I think is gonna volte for this device.

And I think um if anything, that might grow over the next couple years and this in five product could be interesting. So i'm excited. I want to see what apple does with their second iteration.

I do think IT will be a simple chip up date, which is fine. But will apple make IT compelling enough for me to actually switch? But for now, today, there is a new immersive experience for apple vision pro. I wanted to point .

out the weekend .

has come out with the open hearts apple on video haven't watch you yet, literally launching as we're recording. So that's cool. And we also have the apple merse of concert for one, which is going to be coming out november twenty second.

Another just little like little bits of we've discussed before, just start recording concerts, start recording musicians, start recording music videos, get every kind of concept you can on this device. And it's it's happening. It's slow, but it's happening.

So I have a lot of hope for this platform. And twenty, twenty six is a long way away. I wonder if how will be talking about IT then versus now?

I'm just imagining all the things that are coming, but then we have loads things right now don't be such as found a pretty level that's going to get me going. Well, we we spent a lot of time .

on rumors because there was a lot of rumors this week. I want to run through a last this last little list, kind of bullet style. So we lot of new products, so a lot of reviews from apple inside are coming out.

So I want to to point you to microsys h make many review. He did. The four and four pro will be out before our next episode.

So check that review out as well. These are really interesting little computers. I did end up ordering a make. Many might arrive somewhere around the of november. Yes.

I got to trade the excEllent. Oh, so you are going to lose your macbook pro.

So my macbook pro, I was trying to sell and I knew was too higher Price. And I finally looked spoken around at first, apple wasn't giving me me nothing for IT, but for something changed. I don't know it's the holiday season, but I got an email and it's from best bite set six hundred forty dollars like that's that's not terrible and it's like what's apple giving?

Apple gave me seven hundred and five dollars and I like if I sell this to a person, I might get one hundred dollars. I'm willing to pay one hundred dollars to not have to deal with that. So um I want to head and did the trade in value and IT actually a it's funny how that works.

If anyone's ever done this, the mag many came out under that for the base model with two hundred fifty six gigs. And he said, you have to pay us all the money now. And then when you send in the mac book, you, you'll get a refund.

I like, I don't want to do that. So I bumped IT up to five twelve because I was going to do that anyway. And I said, U O, S, ninety four dollars in instalments, seven dollars a months.

Okay, i'll do you that. So I want to have, I paid ten dollars for my mac, many. So i'm pretty excited about that.

Okay, all right, but lost a macbook pro in .

four model with the five hundred of gigs. It's a it's a powerful beast though i'm excited for IT, even though not the end for pro. Honestly, I don't need that. The most intensive thing i'll ever do on a mac is played in tango game cube and i'm sure the informant hill, that just for .

IT is kind of a into the game.

You isn't IT. Maybe I should paint IT purple that would be cool.

Please stop IT. You've got a mac and what are you doing to?

What are you doing to me? I will get a game, keep sticker and put that on there. I won't a um right.

Well, thanks for listening this. The pocket is over. Goodbye forever.

That's the end of the show. The last straw you stop treating the mac is a toy.

Yes.

i'm very excited that will arrive later this month. So but yes, go check out max review. He did a great job. I just it's such a cool little device. We even have a little round up of people coming up with new and inventive ways to press the power button. You know, what I want is a rup golden g machine where I knock over domino and IT hits a lever and IT releases a bowling ball and smash is a watermelon. And then, like, although at the very end, is this one of those little water birds that packs the water, and I just packs a lever that presses the switch, mac money, that's how I want to turn my mac money off.

right? And then set all of that up again for the next time. Of course.

ever think about that at the beginning of, like, back to the future? What what is honey? I drunk the kids. There's there's a lot of roof .

golbin machines. Has that doctor had a redirects ary police system in an episode? Love months and for some reason, that phrase to stuck in my head forever. So yes, this president, okay, you right you wearing at me for Robin .

Williams? No um in any case yes. So good good reviews they are. Go check those out. I'm excited for the mac many then we have uh the ipad many seven review.

I released that actually last week um but after our recording so I actually um I have mentioned that I was coming, but IT is out so go check out that review. I'm very happy with this. Like many i'm sorry, the ipad many, the seventeen pro. I explain why this is a worthy upgrade. Believe me, it's actually a really good little tablet and I want to hear everyone s opinion is on IT what you think of the review and my take on why this device deserves to exist so well, you ve got to write about the iphone sixteen pro. Um if you once into owning IT, you seem to enjoy IT.

Yes, as I did the max version, iphone sixteen per max, and is actually I I I mean somebody today about the difference in IT and the the promise which I always used to have and IT was today, even after writing review when I realized I am now completely old on the biggest size, it's been a even as much i've enjoyed having a bigger screen. Yeah, it's been an issue and IT was even as as writing that review. But no, today i'm in the the max camp and there is so much like about IT I was I enjoyed ing that the lighter weight .

of the titania and the large display IT just makes IT, makes IT so worth at.

plus. I have this confusing thing if i'm on the beef of U. S. A teen point too. So I accidently trigger visual intellects said before, and that transformed how I use the camera control but not get missing IT before or now i'm really so that kind of made the phone even Better, uh, for me.

So yes, I am really shocked to find that it's two months of adit now still feels like a bit of a new toy. And yet i'm now very happy that I did. Yeah.

there's another a really cool feature coming to iphone with I O S. eighteen. That one. Have you had trouble with the police lately? Are you call them the bob and see they .

have been cool bobbies, but not for quite some time. The fuss, the law, the other words that I wouldn't use, but also mostly because I now don't want to mention any problems I may or may not have had, it's also gorst rumor .

Williams, a tax evasion finally caught up with him. No, so please .

say Carrier though i'm terrified of getting a number wrong somewhere .

and then he looked forever. He didn't pay .

his a BBC tax license.

Yes that's no um is apple insider BBC um we complying with with the love we are recording in britain. So no.

no. So is there a gdpr element? Oh, if you're listening in america, you should only we should do this in sterile thing so that you can only listen to wears or only listen to me.

Everybody would just listen to you. Good day. Okay, last couple .

things are so the police can, yes, OK. So there was a report about a week ago a country came out of nowhere. I was like, police are concerned that apple released a secret feature that was keeping them out of their, out of their phones so they would lock them up in these fairy cages and go back to do whatever they do to them with their um foreign a hacking AIDS that they purchased to break into these phones and find that they were in a before what is IT before power, before boot state whatever IT is uh the phone had reset basically on its own in isolation without any human interaction. They're like what is happening and they thought .

this is a locked room iphone mystery isn't, well, other story this real OK yeah I felt .

like a conspiracy because they were like, oh, apples doing this on purpose and we can rote like, maybe, but IT seems like something they would reveal or announce. And then days later, uh, IT was revealed that apple has a new feature and I was sixteen, that one that prevents thise from having greater access your iphone by making IT automatically reboot after this a period of time without certain signals.

And so if it's completely idle, use, no, it's typed to make. So for example, on a mac, right, you have several settings. You can say this is when the screens say returns on this is when IT requires a password.

Well, this goes a step further. It's no longer after pass code lock. It's you haven't touched this thing for so long. It's gonna reboot. So that that goes into a more secure state and and requires a passed before face I and this state is actually much harder to break through for these hacking tools.

So an apple doesn't want you know foreign powers or you know IT spies or or the even just regular old deaves from being able to access or gain accessed information because it's more readily available in the post unlock state. So cool, good feature. Uh, of course, the protecting consumers always leads to police becoming more angry, but that's a whole different story.

I'm trying to think there are any circumstances where you wouldn't want that to happen, like if you're a nature reserve and I don't know if it's possible even to get going to take a photograph every half hour or something, every minute or stronger stuff for IT. Just know if you just let you go by itself. Automation running away for IT does that country as you using IT does IT remote anyway.

you have to unlock IT. Like this is after this. Seems the reboot is around ninety six hours, four days, right? So you have to just not touch your phone for four straight days. And then, you know, modern humans touch them about every four minutes.

So yes.

and that's being generous, I think finally, last bit, and we can close up here the eyes. I wanted to hear your comment from me on this. So yeah I know where this is going.

Yeah.

making a demand that apple change how they Operate their media clients around the world, specifically in the eu. So if you have an apple I D set in germany and you travel to france, you might run into issues because you no longer have access because of your geolocation to certain features. And the E, U.

Wants apple to completely break down those barriers because a, according to the u. When you're in the u, you're in the eu, right? You're not in germany.

Year and the european union. So they wanted to work the same way across media。 So what what's the issue here?

Well, actually the way you put that, that pot doesn't turn on reasonable to me. But the thing is the e is actually going further and saying that people in different countries should not have different access. They said they shouldn't have different interfaces.

And honestly, i've read what theyve said and. I don't understand apple music is apple music, you know what's on IT might be different, but the interface is the same unless you're in a country that doesn't have IT at all. Maybe that's what they want wanted everywhere, but it's just honestly upsetting because I am really pro the european union is deeply upset when britain is insane, voted to leave. But this is just flat out stupid because people don't .

know what they're talking about. Yes, which is frightening .

people in park. And we've seen many examples this in in every country over the years. But with this case, there are so many contractual and legal and rights reasons why you get certain things in some countries and not others.

And if you strip all of that away, the bird new puts, well, the sticks, apple's cause. Because I about apps in particular, every developer has to therefore deal with tax laws and regulations in every country in the world. 那 okay， if you sell an APP through apple, apple deals with all of that, which is fantastic. But there's the au forcing party stores.

So do the third party stores have to deal with worldwide tax? Or actually is IT going to come down to the developers themselves? Because although you keeps talking about consumer benefits and then IT mustn't let big tech take over the the only possible way our company could ever cope with all of the world's things at the same time is to be a big tech dominating company.

So I angry and upset that that was going through, particularly because there's a nice word in the line. Well, as one bit wait says, IT, was done after I come up with the phrase. But intensive collaboration, that was a kind of thing. And then between competent member states and that you competent twenty to seven member states and none of the member states of the A U. Pointed out laws, rights, territories, everything so upsetting .

and is an incredibly nice idea thinking, why don't we just have a global market and everyone has access to the same stuff? It's it's a onder, ful idea. We don't live in that world.

That reality does not exist, and the u is not the world. So Mandating apple figure out a way to do that is just very odd. And and this isn't even coming from like dma stuff.

This is a completely separate. It's a law that they came out with a few years ago that they've not decided apple is not compliance with. And i'm not sure it'll make IT through anything because again, it's just it's like saying, why isn't this T V show available on netflix, right?

It's just exactly yes.

It's a very silly idea like IT was it's like an amErica asking the CEO of facebook why you ve got banned from youtube or something. What was that question they asked about anyway? IT was IT was a very funny aside that they asked mark zaki g during a very intense meeting of congress of out like eti trust law and social media of dangers.

And they asked this just absurd level question that had like about google. And they're talking like mark zuker g this is this kind of stuff we deal with but closing note and will will wrap up. But I was sitting in out to coming to summer nights. cool. Yes, public release, can't wait.

Very excited. Well, i'm soak for because even testing eighteen, as we said last week, I don't have the hearing stuff and I have an airplane now I want tried this out and that's when I will get to when the public release comes. So looking for that very much.

So from as we read up, we are continuing to get excEllent reviews, emails, messages from people online. Love IT love seeing IT, uh, on the apple podcast APP. We have a new five star review from game man one fourteen.

This is where I go for my apple news. I really love this pod, the host, another stuff, and aren't afraid to get into the integrity also. I love IT when they talk about to know poking.

Thank you for that review. Yes, giving us permission to wonder around they mostly and talk about when i'm joking. But yes, excEllent. you. Thank you.

Gay men, one one four. Okay, I wonder related to the game one one three years to live near me but OK was um .

it's it's so funny I was listening just a quick IDE I was listening to the py old geeks pocket and one of the members had just gotten their a radio license right to use like ham and they went home and reached out and said, you the recalled ID and the first person they ever reached out to and found was the person in front of them in line that was getting really ice because they they've replied with their I D. And that was one letter off.

Just bring your joke full circle. I just found that very funny in any case, could show everyone. Please continue leaving your reviews right and let us know what you think you can always suggest topics, suggest topics for apple cider plus for about to get into IT talk about how we deal with family and tech and you can find me on massed on I post there regularly and you can always email me that's easy to find at the top of any article I written ten um it's west outside the dot com and of course, William, working people find you well.

I should do more and mater done, he make IT some good. I gott look at to that. But in the meantime, among youtube, but FIFA keys and also the same year, William at a inside a dotcom is probably the best way to reach the email. I love email society.

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