Adding Mac mini hubs, adding new emoji, and controversially removing apps on the AppleInsider Podcast
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Hello, welcome to the up inside the podcast and will liam gallagher response to this week a one password and master class two of my personal favorites as eleven and I am joined by westly, hilliard and west. Even before you say what there's something different here. You're standing great. I think you've got a new mac in your life.

haven't you? Yeah, another mac is replaced to the other mac on the shelf and it's making its residences quite nice. Very tiny guy though i'm going have to put some stuff around because that .

shells look and pretty empty. Okay, so you give you take away on the one hand, you've got rid of you beloved IT macbook pro. I loved IT more needed, but I was still loved IT.

And now it's back to a desk. Government really is what you're saying, but a nice desk. I do really .

rethink IT because the macbook pro has a battery in IT, so I can just move IT around at all. IT says power on and it's a USB port to power IT. So I could just spring IT to the desk plugged in in.

It's charging. It's connected to my monitor. I'm going to record from IT connects to my preferable like my microphone.

All one go well, moving the mag many around different because has the figurate plug. E and I don't have one of those at every one of my stations. I could I have a bag of them in my drawer.

Um it's just I don't want to have to do that. So i've been thinking about a few things. First of all, I um I took instead of bringing them back over here, I brought the podcast to the max.

So I realized I didn't need to move my macbook at all. I just needed to get the microphone hoped up because I record for my vision pro. And now I have the ultrawise desktop to my right with my recording studio, open safar in front of me, notes to my left.

But the mac, many, is on the shelf across the room at. All i've done is snake to cable, from the front U. S, B.

Port to the microphone that are record from that. The only thing that needed change, I need whole dog to set up, or the monitor. Nothing like that.

So good solution there. Home kit insider, there is still complicated because it's a video show. So i'm gon onna experiment with run like the cable is an attached anything. I'll just basically move the microphone to that despite record from and leave the mac mini.

And it's saying there is a monitor um under the shelf behind the closed door so I could open the door to see that I guess the display to set up my camera set up for the show and then just leave IT alone and look into the camera because the cameras remote. It's an iphone so does the continue camera. I don't have to have anything.

So again, the set up should be straight forward. I'll find out if that catches on fire next someone on the show or not. But finally, and i'll hush, i've come up with a separate solution in the mail coming tomorrow, and I will be writing about, this is a little portable battery with A A C outlet.

And i've also ordered a point five meter figure ates ac cable. So let's let's try to create a little portable mac mini that I can power from U. S, B, C. That would be cool.

I have so many questions, but we've only got about an hour or so. Actually, I should say this really got now before it's applying side of plus with this time. This was your day, was it's about Christmas gift giving or as I like to say, Christmas gift receiving, but particularly about technology and what we give to people and what we want from them. That last bit was me again, this sounds like you are basically buying you're in Christmas presents all along. So that fair?

No, no. I mean, the list i've provided are a gift ideas. I generally go to these kinds of devices for my friends and family because it's like they're never going to bite on their own, but it'll improve their lives. This is what I usually go for. So that's kind .

of my thinking process. All right, back to my questions then. I think I unconciously assumed, because you're wearing apple vision pro, that you are recording through the microphone that I presumed were on apple vision pro. But I realized in my entire thirty minutes of wearing one, I didn't even look at recording and things like that. I didn't think of IT.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you have to be able to make face time calls and everything. So it's actually several being forming microphones.

We've never tried IT on the show. Maybe we should like record five minutes with the apple vision pro mack phone sometime. I am sure they're be a difference because right now i'm recording through the audio technique.

Um I can remember x one thousand whatever and IT sounds great. I have to turn on the volume because IT IT picks up too much. The vision pro had microphones, though I I would have to assume as a kin to recording an iphone. IT gets the job done not not like an audio call iphone, just like through the iphone microphone. It's it's an next microphone, but IT doesn't have the range and it's it's definitely not going to capture as much of the base of my voice maybe come through a little bit. We're tending you would be able to tell if I was recording through these these mikes, but the test water run some time because that in the continue feature, like right now I am using um the virtual desktop apple vision proof shows up as a microphone and the microphone selection screen. So .

well, I think maybe we should devote this entire episode two microphone in that spirit. I should say I actually managed to break a microphone a few months ago. Now IT fell off to stand and never worked again.

But fortunate I had some wireless mikes I used as some video. So I, in fact, next week to you through a honeyman m to luck thing. And it's like, I wear IT, like it's a star trek badge.

So every known again, the temptation to tap IT and go you know ops or something like that occasionally interrupted the odd recording. But weirdly, they seem to be Better than the wired. Like I think that's why I was assuming you are using wireless as well. But mac mini, you got one you you should be cherishing IT. Are you going to buy Sarah ches new hub forest that would solve everything for you in some way?

Well, that's a good question. Honestly don't know. There's actually plenty of ports in this like many. If IT was on my desk, I would utilize the sd cards slot, but I have one of my thunderbird g. So it's cool product.

I might get IT just because it's core attaches to my mac many, but I only even think I would use IT. This, the two U S, B. Ports on the front and three and thunder ball in the back.

I I am good, and I also have access to many of dogs. But I guess again, if I was moving this to a that set up and I want a more access to direct ports, this would a great addition to my line up. Like it's just not for me, not with IT on a shelf.

Anyway, I do want to say that you are saying I have access to dogs and really suspicious. But not, I should say, actually, moments before we started recording this status, announced that it's you've seen this, the old mag mini. There was tachi hub that was exactly the right size.

Now there's one that's exactly right size for the new, much smaller mac. Or rather, there will be quite unusually, I think, maybe order to be the first to announce IT, we've released details of what you will have and is a nice picture of how neily IT fits the new map. But they aren't nosing the Price yet, which is a curious thing.

But you can get twenty you can get twenty percent off though, if you preregister.

I'm worried that twenty percent of whatever IT turns out to cost.

but they always do yeah they always do big sales though their big sale company. Um I will note though the one reason why I would buy IT is because IT has an bi enclosure for up to four terribles of expansion and there's often for terrible s on sale for lesson to in your books.

So this would be an excEllent way to upgrade your magnetise storage and basically what internal storage no, it's not a thunderbird b, but you don't need a underbody hub for SSD over USB. I mean, it's it's fast enough. You would notice a difference over underworld, of course. But for most applications for like storing photos and videos and stuff like that, you don't need that high of a speed, especially for not like editing over the hub or anything.

Well, that's I don't think because I would be doing video editing and things would IT be fast enough .

IT be fast enough. You could do IT it's just not as fast as underworld um IT would be the IT would be the bottle that that Operation I think um maybe maybe i'm wrong, but I do always wondered how you pronounce your name because if there are japanese if IT is a japanese company and they phrase IT in japanese, IT would be saatchi saatchi. But I i've never heard anyone at their company said out law this is always a can and rum with these companies. You never know you never know exactly how to pronounce IT and they always come out with some wicket to, uh actually it's saw tag um no it's like hear one day maybe maybe we will go to see us and ask them directly .

uh it's Sunny instead of SONY, although actually is a reason for that its societal rupture of Sunny, which is a wartime and this is a two biggest story um maybe if I can find where I found that out, i'll put a link in the show. Don't hope breath because IT was a long time ago. I had IT. I'll give you.

Oh no, i'll give you. We can move on. I believe, I believe the phone company, the flip phone company we all know and love, people would call nokia, is actually pronounced nokia. But anyway.

I actually went nokia sasac, a head office in, I want to say, fin, done in the ninety nineties or so, and all these people walking around with what now seems like giant phones, but just kind of somehow magically stuck to their belts and things. Do I want one of those? And then what happened to them? Well.

you've got arrested, right? And they had to confiscate your iphone and check, hey, for I mean, we don't talk about what you did in finance, but IT was a lot, right? So well.

i've talked enough about IT on the interrogations and things, but I see where you're going with this. You on your mind is what happens with iphones and police given credit, you could never crack an nokia phone, a resume. And if you could, there was nothing on there anyway.

Phone numbers, where's an iphone holds your life. And so naturally, the police and all sorts of law enforcement people are quite keen. We ve learned this week, well, actually think is I know the headline.

I know that we'd learned exactly, think exactly what police can retrieve from your iphone without a hacking to all this great key thing, but I actually, I didn't know what the extent is. Should I be in some? Should I become an international jewelery? What should I be concerned about?

Well, great key can't get much, especially so apples been doing some fun stuff. I think we discuss IT on the show one two ago, where police had noticed that they would arrest someone, lock up their phone in a fairy cage, come back to you later. And I had reboot IT somehow, which puts IT into a before first unlock state, which makes that much harder access data basically useless for their needs.

And they were blaming apple, and we were like, well, that seems like something apple could do, but we hadn't heard of this feature. Now it's known apple is doing this. Uh, they released IT as a part of an update to, I believe, eighteen that one.

And it's happening. Uh, it's meant to prevent thise from being able to access data easily, but it's actually working against police, which is the usual thing with apple. So again, I believe we discuss that entire story before. But now IT comes back to greek y, which might actually be the or one of the technologies that police and federal agents used to access iphones.

And it's clear that even before the apple feature for before first lock for rebooting phones remotely, when they're disconnected from so or not, even that it's left inactive for about two to three days, they are completely inactive for a couple of days. They will reboot themselves and put them in that state. Well, grey couldn't actually access much data anyway.

If you look at this list that's in this story, IT shows that many of the most recent iphones only show partial data releases from greg y. This little box you connect your phone to IT, and IT basically tries to pull social media content, photo libraries, text messages. IT does what I can, but apparently IT does even less now.

which is nice. Well, not from the perspective of law enforcement, but I suppose, yeah, okay, just thinking that true, my mind as you're gone to so if I ever forget my pass code and things greg y can't help me, there are told a more .

you don't want IT to. I mean, this is one of those situations that we've discuss before. I'm on the side of old fashioned investigations.

Should trump modern a technology, a harvesting? Because at the end of the day, this is all private information. And giving too much power to authority can lead to other consequences.

So we've been catching criminals for the entirety of human history without having access to their iphone data. I think we can continue to do IT safely. Sometimes these things do you get cracking IT does help or not saying that it's not useful information, but IT shouldn't be the default. We shouldn't have the FBI knocking on apple door every time they want to unlock an iphone, asking for a back door to encryption. And great, he was a sidestep from that. But I believe apple is actively working to throw these kinds of hacking tools and their these tools are developed by ni, like foreign entities looking to make a bunch of money off of the technology and our government is paying them for I I think it's just a bad deal all the way around. And apples actively working to defeat these products, and I think they should be .

how bad this this move awaiting that on something else that apple may be actively working on. Although I have reason to do IT, you've heard the story in the last few days that an apple TV set, so not apple TV the box, but an actual TV set with an apple logo on the front of IT could be coming back, apple maybe evaluating, they said. And I take IT to that means more than somebody ever sandwiches le bug thinking nice everyone IT sounds like that at least tina puts some money behind thinking about IT does that .

sound plausible gene muster must be jumping up and down is so excited no.

i'm sorry. He's the guy who said every year for years and years and years years it's gonna next tuesday kind of thing had forgotten about that he could be right. After all, that wouldn't be good for him.

The longest play in apple rumor r history. No, I think this is different from what gene muster actually visioned. Because the concept then, and that made sense at the time, was apple was gonna leased like a sixty five inch L D fork television kind of thing, right? Like they were going to release a SONY TV.

But I was made by apple. I don't think this is what that is. I think apple is gonna just released at another studio display, but make IT an apple TV as well, because the art has that chip set in IT.

So you'll be able to switch the TV mode. I think that the whole story here, maybe they'll be a thirty two inch version. I would be very surprised if apple releases the apple studio television in at sixty five inches. They could and I would Operate over thunder both you have to get an H D M I D A thunderbolt after to play your play station five into IT but um i'm joking. I hope that's not .

true but leaving every word you said that yeah that's just .

a very apple thing to do well it's all thunder able and all you need is a dog and then you can plug in your plant now just um I could seriously vision them do could you imagine them selling the sixty five eventually luminous television that raises a thousand pounds .

but just what how much with the stand cost that's the right yeah they won't .

tell us sell you just understand it's a robotic remember IT falls around .

the this is not .

three separate products when you is one products, no.

it's not a standard of lifestyle. Yes, okay.

I think this is interesting. They could it's spending one of two ways. IT could be a traditional television. The owners why I am still against that is because tvs are expensive. Apple does like selling expensive things, but an apple television would start at two thousand dollars. I feel like just given the market that they're in and how they sell things and IT would need to be in a looking at apple TV fork, when was the last one? Twenty twenty one create twenty .

twenty two good, can't remember. Ah I know I have an Operating vik four cape, but I have the version like that came out of pixel before they added all the carriole stuff switch. I'm grateful, Frankly, I can't do that stuff, but I can't run by long. I had IT OK.

They they upgraded every couple of years were actually do for a one. I'm honestly expecting one in the spring. Maybe we'll see twenty five years year for another apple TV. I think we will see what they do, but that could give credit to this whole idea.

I still think apples to partner with the company that just makes an incredibly dumb, beautiful monitor that has no features IT just turns on and off and has an hd, my port in IT, that would be the way to go. I was apple gets SONY to make this incredibly beautiful o oh panel go go nuts, but have have no features. And then you plugged an apple TV into IT for the brains and you can buy IT as a bundle or something that that's how I would handle IT.

But if maybe you want to go maximum profit, you would make a full television. And it's not a very lucrative thing because people buy them and keep them for fifteen years. So IT just doesn't it's never seemed like a thing apple would .

do presumable. You can connect an apple TV 4k into a studio's play now。 So I don't see that if they were going to do IT. And you actually makes me think it's more likely than I thought at the start. I would expect you to be one screen, one device, everything built in that actually feels more appalling than .

expect you .

to get .

a of money. Twenty seven studio display is fifteen hundred dollars starting, and that's for a monitor that competes with other six hundred dollars or seven hundred dollar monitors in the same pixel. And city city, a display is beautiful, has good features and IT has a good design.

But competitors in the market, you can get similar specs for a lower Price. I just you look at a television, my SONY TV. I bought one of those newer. I thought on OLED has a goat, forget, but IT does fork one twenty and stuff like that. It's a bit more modern.

I wanted IT from my playstation and I think IT set me back something like sixteen hundred dollars, and that's for a big uncle plastic, right? So I can imagine apple doubling that easily for a similar model with a similar spec sheet who's buying tvs like that, let alone every couple of years. So I just IT feels unrealistic.

That's why I think heard I am not originating in in this room, right and make IT up. I'm hearing IT from other people speculating that this is actually just an iteration of the studio display that can run apple TV, which I think makes total sense because samsung did IT and it's and there twenty seven, eight monitor actually is a little smart V I think that's awesome. Honestly, at my desk.

Sure I can. My ipad on my mac is plug in. I could just go to the apple TV APP. But sometimes having the built in interface is nice. Or if IT had an H D in my yport, which IT doesn't, I could plug in my placation five into IT.

The only way I can, I can play my P S, five, my studio display, but I have to go through a capture card through my mac or ipad to see you on the display is just not the same things of apple actually committed to making this a quote. Television IT would be a studio display with an H, M, I port or two capable of switching between the modes. And I think that would be a nice move by apple. IT would increase the value of an existing product rather than introducing a completely unnecessary product to compete in the market that's already packed with options.

Back in the day where in the U. K, when we had only four channels and they all came over areas and things, I actually had one of those max that had a TV tuna in IT. And in my flat in london at the time, that was my only TV set.

And I really liked IT. There was some straightness like you could record, but there was a stereo TV set when you were watching live, and recordings were in mono that that would really throw you. He stopped IT to take a phone call.

And so up, up again. And the sound is so radically different because of. But yeah, I missed that a little bit. IT was handy. Why can't they just fit an apple T, V four k into international book and bedroom .

with honestly, i'm still hopeful that apple will release a dangle like apple TV like if we continue with the same box, IT needs to be a video game council, like really push the limits, put an m serious chip in IT, let IT run assassins creed, whatever with the way, tracing on a four k sixteen television. That's the direction that box needs to go for two hundred plus dollars.

But I think one I would not no.

I mean, I don't think it's necessarily the use case for this product, but this is where i'm getting at. If it's gonna that much money and to have that much storage is in the video game console Price range market already, just make IT capable of running those games. And people will buy IT for that purpose, not many people, but but IT will happen. And then you could go down market with the apple T, V. And this is my point.

I think apple should make a apple T V 4k dongo。 That is what IT is now, a limited chip set that run that basically can access apple TV in netflix and doesn't run all of the games IT runs IT would still run tvo s honestly, IT could be the same exact apple TV fork we have now just packed into a much smaller box without any cooling whatsoever. So what would be able to get two intensive on certain things that would have upper throttle limits? But so you could not run anything, any crazy games or anything like that. You could use IT just for media purposes and IT could be a little USB thumb drive type design. I think .

in the fire stick, that's what you're thinking.

And then in the apple would have both on the market, the people who really wanted the games to run on this saying could go up market and spend two, two, three hundred dollars, two hundred fifty dollars like they used to. I think it's two twenty now for the higher Price model, and the apple could go down to one fifty for this small thud drive. So it's just my suggestion i'd .

accidentally snap off that thug drive and then lose IT. That's what I would happen. That's what happened with me, but not just about several of them.

I would be alright with that. Good point. Well.

of course, the dream is forget all that. I'm going to invent a product that doesn't exist, just make a sound bar that is a homework d and an apple T V.

Okay, plug in one wire to your TV.

It's an apple TV. There's no thinking. There's no wireless audio issues. It's all one unit. The the apple TV software runs off of this home home bar, I guess, and you pug IT into your apple TV, and you now get the all of the technological goodness of a hom pod in a sound bar and then connect two large home poser two home pod mini as surround sounds. Basically do a sonus apple, just do a sonus.

That's all we need to an extent that the last don't do. But after that, are you? Yes, are you? Are you running .

the apple TV beta? Apple T V S. Eighteen should .

say that because I was about to say to you of all the bears and of all the bears in northern, so when I don't look into um I accidentally wants upgraded macos to beaten. I seem to be constantly stumbling into that. So at the moment one of my no actually both of my max are on beat, which is very risky and you shouldn't do IT what happened if IT all was wrong? Terrible things.

My watch. I never put the matter on iphone. I do ipad after the iphone seems to be OK for a bit. I don't believe I have ever put the beater of T V O S on. And right now, today, I am regretted IT. Only because I saw the headline, an apple insider, that there is a snowy ACE Green saver, did I get I didn't get that mix up with a watch.

Did I did get that right now. This is basically the watch face just point up for the TV, but it's Better in a lot of ways because the watch faces only look at that for a second to check the time you get a little animation, you put your arms down. This is a full on screen saver, and it's really cute. I really like IT.

Isn't that weird that I would be on the TV that I mean, how apple TV is famous for having utterly beautiful screen savers? I mean, I I think i've cut the time down before IT bs to the minimum so I can just enjoy them across the room. And then recently there was that thing.

We are, youtube got to stop much and figured out that the minimum time was that two minutes of inactivity, something like that. So they had their screen to over cut in at one minute, fifty nine. And for some reason, and who knows why, youtubes attempt to do beautiful landscape room is really ugly, absolutely horribly picolet ted.

And then apple went, I I would not have been that pulled IT down to there comes in at one fifty eight or something. And all the gorgeous landscapes are back now. We apparently are having gorgeous landscapes replaced by stupid animation. And IT does not not feel just wrong to you, nice but wrong. I think it's .

fun because now you can swipe between your different screen saver options. I I really enjoy the areas view. Sometimes I still put that back on.

I've actually found that I enjoy my photos. It's the portraits version. Now there's a new portraits scree server that came out, I believe with eighteen maybe before that I can't remember exactly.

But it's where IT takes a and IT algorithms like the photo watch face IT algorithm ici finds suitable images that would be great on a television and shows them as your screen saver and slides through them over time. ExcEllent way to rediscover photos you can choose between showing pets and people, and like certain people to include, exclude. Nice little tool there.

And then now you got snooky. You can swipe over to that. And if you notice in our imagery, there are vents in the pictures because andre took a photo of through a projector and I think he didn't realize. But yes.

yeah.

I think I think that was funny, but it's it's great. Sloopy animates there every now and then. And I was wondering about this how they were to pull IT off.

It's always animated, so it's not like the pixel are gona kill your screen or anything. So the sugi outlines are always kind of doing the motion as if it's being animated, but there's a lot of deals here. So it'll introduce snoopy and it'll it'll do a skate.

Snowy is accepting an award on a stage or something and then IT switches to him on the dog house, dreaming that he's accepting this award. And then then it's just the an idle of him being on the dark house. And then every few minutes it'll show him move or grab something the or grab iti writer or woodstock's show up, right? And it's just doing this over, over, over time.

Again, it's doing like pixel shifting and the subtle animations and the lines and stuff keep on moving. It's cute. It's really well done.

I like IT. I I think we're going to be using this one a lot as well. It's again, it's so easy to switch between them.

You don't have to go to settings. You just a swipe up why you're on the screen saver. Pick your different one. We're going to, we're going to be using this one a lot.

Why is IT on apple T V or not the mac? That seems more mac like screens over.

It's inevitable. Uh, just like the areas coming to mac, I think this is something that could apple pretty much bought all the rights to the peanuts. So I feel like this is just something they built and will roll out to other platforms eventually. Imagine a screen saver on ipad that be cool.

Okay, every time I pick up my ipad is to use IT though. So exactly.

I mean, that's where we're kind of getting into. Well, what's the utility and ipad I I would love and always on display ipad.

But yeah so would remember when they on iphone keep Steven two rebels who you to do this. So for the first year, he wouldn't have IT on. He just found IT far too distracting and night because I didn't upgrade the of that year.

I came in a year later, I did a great and IT was the first thing I left. I ve enclosed about IT since. And I think Steven actually tried IT after that.

And I may, may, if I should check in with them. Have I changed his mind? permanent.

But even now, right now, on my desk there is my lovely iphone sixteen per max, telling me the time. And there's a note saying you're talking for too long ger about snoopy. I seem my own phone point that this episode is brought to you by one passport.

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How about this you just said about snoopy being basically the apple bought everything. Apple has the rights to, I think everything to do with paints. Ts, very easily. I think you might have to right share on some things, certainly the right to original things. But the key thing is IT has the rights, whereas certain other companies don't have the rights to things they are using.

So we had a thing this week about, I think I presume its pronounced music, though IT was taken down the music in TV time or something like that. Now I know the music story. Do you know the TV time?

Bn, yes, I dug in to this quite a lot actually. So this goes with that. There's a trend lately and not really sure why IT seems like it's been discussed more IT. Apple takes does copyright claims all the time and removes apps from the upstart all the time.

I think honestly, the only thing why we're talking about IT now is because these are more high profile and the users or more vocal on social media, the developers or more vocal on social media. So just leading to a wider conversation, I think it's a good conversation I have of at the overall question is, does apple have too much power of the APP store when IT comes to things like copyright claims? Because at least according to the developers, IT feels like apple is coming in getting a copyright claim and then just kicking the APP for out basement sly.

You know, just, oh well, here's a claim brought out out until they fix IT. And I wanted discuss this because that is not the process. I've actually duggin and found out what the process is, and I wanted to talk a little bit about what happened here.

What can I just say? I would. The music story.

It's really clear. They were playing music, youtube. They weren't paying everybody for the music. How can I not be? So music .

is cut and dry. Music the this is one of the situations where I think music and the users were getting away with something and they're mad that they got caught, allegedly. I don't sum me.

I just think this is one of those situations where it's complicated. okay. The time I got to say that they .

are being in the U. K. TV times a problem for me, because I used to work on radio times like a ever TV go.

But there is a river called TV times. So when I first read TV time in headline, I was misreading IT completely. And i've never heard of this up before, but apparently it's big.

So use I use TV time before I do. I want to get that to the set because music actually ties back to a different APP that was taking down juno that we talks .

about a while back orion pro.

So just to go in order, juno was taken down because youtube claimed that he was altering the U I too much and eliminating uh interface elements to make IT too unique to itself and not making IT show that I was actually youtube and there was some arguments back and forth and ultimately youtube went back to apple and said, we're not gone to resolve this kicked from the store and apple said, okay and the developer of Christian alex said, you know what?

Basically that's what happened. He felt like youtube didn't want to budge. They weren't giving him answers us to how to actually fix the happy.

He felt like they just wanted IT off the store and was making the claim spuriously to get IT off of the store. And ultimately, that's what happened. And he didn't want to fight apple or google in this situation.

We discuss this on the show. I believe Christian here. I think youtube just didn't want a clearly well make competitor on apple vision pro even though youtube isn't there to compete.

Is just IT was the most popular option on the APP store. IT was doing well. And uh because of the A P I key, not because of anything Christian was doing, IT wasn't serving ads either for whatever reason.

Youtube s API doesn't serve ads and IT. Uh, youtube needs to fix this if they don't like IT, because this is how IT works. They make IT public, they make IT available and they don't like how work.

So what are you doing? Youtube anyway, using similar situation, different problem. They were using the API calls to get content, but it's not showing ads that don't have license. Access to the music is specifically being used for music. I think this gets into a more o area of you guys are creating a streaming platform using the youtube as a back end.

And that is a clear violation of, yes, like everything that to do with copyright and paying the people leaving IT up to youtube to take her everything is an exactly okay. So now a TV time, TV times. Little is simpler.

Er it's an APP that lets you track shows that you're watching. You can post gifts and reactions to certain episodes, have a little community and people were uploading custom artwork for different T, V. Shows and things.

The artwork was not voted. And IT was copyright violating. And a company that owns the copyright put in a complaint with apple saying, this apple on your APP store is violating copyright. So what apple does, they said.

does that makes them so far yeah total yeah yes, apple doesn't like this. Apple does a usual thing double.

So well, so okay, so it's actually a public page and it's it's linked in the article. Apple has a web page for companies to make these claims. And if you read the read the fine print, IT actually explains the process a little bit IT doesn't go to the super detail.

But basically what happens is here's what apple says. If you believe that an apple search had available through the absa violates or intellectual property rights, you can submit your claim here. Please know that apple does not investigate claims regarding branded terms used as search ad keywords, in most cases, content available through the apple stores made available by third party providers.

And upon receiving your submission, we will contact the provider of the disputed consent regarding your claim and as that they work with you directly to resolve the issue. So all apple actually really does is act as uh not not even a mediator, but a middle man. If if the if the apple has all the contact information of all the developers on the APP store.

So the copyright claims doesn't necessarily have the ability to walk up to the development and say, hey, we have a problem because sometimes finding that information is an easy under the absorb page, has a website, but then you have to find a contact. Apple just skips all that and says we're going to put you directly in contact with them. They alert to develop your APP is being claimed in violation of the copyright act.

So they did a dmca take down of content on TV time. TV time responded to this. And now this is where IT gets fuzzy because this is where all the l allegedly, please get in because we don't have official information other than a quote from the owner of TV time.

So and again, they have, you know, they have a bias that a dog in the race. So take this for what you will. But he claims that the claims didn't provide enough information or proof of ownership.

And but they went in. He took down the content anyway. And for some reason, the apple still kick from the APP store.

Now we don't know exactly how this happened, but apple does say that they don't spider sly kick up out of the epsrc of a copyright claim. The only time and apps kicked is if resolution is not reached. So the claim, and now this is where I am assuming something went wrong.

The owner of TV time did say the claim ate had a financial incentive added to this claim, saying that, you know, you have to pay us or something i'm not really entirely sure what they meet here, but TV time refused. So i'm assuming that's where the claim with unresolved loved and the claim will backup on and said, hey, this is a getting fixed and I will remove the at now since then, very quickly, actually the apple was reinstated. Something got fixed between the claim and the claim IT IT wasn't with apple and T, V, time didn't go begging hands in his apple because apple, there again, they're not going to litigate.

And this is, this is key here. Apple does not fight with the developers. They don't argue with them.

They don't argue with the claim. And they just look at the official payment. If there's a copyright claim that is unresolved, the appears to be removed.

A, B, C, D, that's IT. So I think this is where IT gets tRicky. And there is a lot of conversation about is apple abusing their power or kicking APP. So having this information in the story, what do you thinks going on here? volume?

Well, when you put like this, I can't actually see what else apple could do that you there's a legal argument that they are the publish, therefore, they are responsible for anything. But if it's used generated, there's a sort of fuzzy lines there. You can't allow a copyright infringement to continue. You have to stop IT.

What how else can you stop IT other than withdraw me out, at least temporarily? So I think I feel I feel sorry for for TV times. And they did initiate the problem. So they're not like music, trying trying something on as IT seems, but IT just seems like a practical inevitability really.

I think we're going to see more these kinds of stories. And I don't want to decide with apple or the developers anyone here. I just want to say these things happen and they resolved internally for this.

This gets back to a different issue. And I think this happens a lot, especially with apple, because it's such a big company with a lot of money, people expect a apple is doing everything and they should solve everything. And I don't think either those is true, right? With a copyright claim that is illegal entity.

Apple is not judiciary court. They're not going to arbitrate a dispute and decide who's write wrong if apple can open TV time, see leak infringing ing information. And that's the end of the discussion is being influence upon.

There has to be something done. And if there is no action taken by TV time, whether they did or not, again, we don't know the background of all of this. Something didn't get resolved, apple, or removed IT.

I don't this you, this is not an automated system. I I have IT from enormous sources that do the stuff to say that they've dealt with these kinds of systems before. And apple is one hundred percent human here.

It's not like there's a program going through every copyright claim in deciding yes or no. That's not how this works. There is a human.

Involved every step of the way making decisions on is there a copyright claim? Does this need to be removed to and then remove IT? So I think there's a lot of confusion out there over how this works because this gets back to APP developers dealing with the other side, the APP approvals.

right? what? What does that called the system for? Where are approved by the developer? By the apple sh?

Yeah, that one.

yes. Up apple's APP developer thing that were the process, the process apps. My gosh, why can I think of the name of this entity anyway?

Everything is a good word, yes thing.

Developers are very upset at this, and they think that it's too automated. And IT IT makes decision. ABS rejected all the times.

Upper view, my god, ABS rejected all the time by upper view is seeing for random reasons, again, because that one is human Operated, but on a massive scale, they're dealing with millions of apps. So they hire a lot of these people to do IT. They make mistakes and IT gets frustrating.

So there's a lot of bad blood in this area. And now we're dealing with copyright struck on top of all of that. I think apple has a responsibility here to get in front of all of this and be more transparent about how their handling a projections for apple view and how they're handlin copyright. I claims because, yes, they have a website with a statement on IT, but I still don't think that's quite enough. I think they should honestly publish a White paper saying this is exactly how is let's create a fake litigation issue and explain an A, B, C, D scenario of this is what happens when a copyright clean comes in and the person does what they're supposed to APP isn't ever kicked from the store.

nothing's ever done.

claim comes in, person doesn't do what they need to do, apps, kit, right? Like just walk us through each of these be public and transparent about IT. The problem with this is it's not like it's not very pretty.

Apple likes there pretty guide books there, you know where saving the planet kind of POS they don't want to be like, well, this is how developers might get screw over if they can get a copy right? Today is a very fun document. Is that this websites.

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And you could be pretty sure that most of the customers wouldn't go read apple's White paper. I mean, epic games that he comes to mind for the way they attending. Shock, horror.

We've been thrown off. Nobody told us why when the truth is they're actually planned IT for months to do to achieve that. I could see that. So I will save you a brother.

I think so. I think the key here is people seem to think that apple just randomly kick apps from the APP store. I almost certain that's not happening. That's just you know, that's too easy law of material. They're so and you can't just I can't go and make a serious copyright complaint and apple be like, believe me oh well you know he's obviously owns Mickey mouse. Let's go and kick this APP off the APP store.

Um they do investigate the claim to that extent, right? They they investigate the validity of the claim and because when the person makes this laim, they have to submit documentation like showing, hey, this is a dmca take down. We're filling the paperwork.

We're taking these steps. This is the stuff that we own. Like this is where I kind of take issue with TV time story here.

If the claimant filed a copyright claim and didn't provide evidence of ownership, why would apple do believe them? right? I just I feel like some the ball got drop somewhere and it's easy to do.

We are human. But yeah, I don't think we have the full story here because again, we're only hearing IT from one side as well. We don't know who the client was or what the copy out of material was. There is no way of verifying you that information on the someone's squeel.

So take IT for what you will you accept. I sometimes remember sometime last year may be ended before facebook blocked some post of mine because I said as a copyright violation, and I asked them about IT, and they quietly unblocked IT and never gave me a reason why. And I wrote the post IT was my writing, so I knew there was no infringement.

So that was like, people make mistakes. Oh, right. Okay, I was being nice to people. And you're thinking botnet, I tend say this.

So tube in facebook and social media do use bots for these types of things. Yes.

I think when you are a developing IT consumed like apple is a bit of a war because I did actually put out there and up many years, go poetry up, uh, could river a passage a based on my jeff helps and IT went out as a poem APP and fine that suddenly at one point, the art review team came back to me. And so this isn't an APP. This should be, no, this should be a book, rather than I can member the logic for IT.

But I don't say logic. And actually they were right. They had made a mistake on the original al acceptance of this and let IT through them.

So i'd kind of annoying ly profited from human era then. And now human correction was coming in. I mean, the project was long gone. And actually as greatest, jeff, as as greatest the poem was, the APP development was held for me, was the real stony listening.

So the fact that he vanished from the up store, but I ve still got that on my iphone, that seemed okay to me at the time, but there was no possibility of IT seemed like there was no possibility of arguing or disagreeing IT was like, this is the decision, you are gone kind of thing. And I even if I were a position to go to lawsuits and things, I wouldn't over this, but i'm not. So you can see small developers seeing apple is kind of the word of god, whether you agree or not. So I understand development is being upset.

Yeah, apple definitely has an issue with being kind of a mono list. But i'll tell you the different tween an apple and other companies and we can move on. Apple has a phone number.

Google and facebook do not.

right? So you you can actually call a developer support team. Apple actually does really well as if if you're developer with an issue, and I know again, it's a wall, sometimes you want things to happen.

Here's my take. Maybe this is a bad cake. You can write me email and tell me it's a bad take.

I think a lot of times developers want to do things that are clearly in violation of apple's guidelines and are frustrated more the fact that, that is a guideline than the fact that they can get support because what happens is, i'll call apple, say, hi, I want to do this thing and theyll say, yeah, you can do that and that's seen to the conversation and they feel like they're talking to a monos. And yes, apple is the monos in this situation. They make the decisions.

They make the rules because apples like, well, that's against the rules. It's like you made the rules so why don't you change to them? yes.

Um and that's usually seems to be where a lot of this angst comes from. But it's not I don't believe it's actually directed at well, it's a broken system that's terrible. It's more like what I want to do this and they won't let me. I think it's an important distinction. When you're reading these stories.

you are about moving on and is an obvious thing here. Apple has all of this stuff, but also, I know that you wanted to talk about something that I thought you were kidding about. Basically, apple has big foot.

And I looked at that and I thought, okay, is this a new employee? Is this a code name for something? What is big food? And why should I care about IT?

Well, we have what you don't care because it's a new magic bound for twenty twenty five.

right? So moving on next. A right is IT really that time of year again when they in its well, that isn't that this is this like world's consortium, this is going on then we'll have why in the world is a big foot emerging like a large footprint or something?

No, no, it's it's the classic. That's what to walk across the frame of the camera, his arms and legs extended. That that pose is what suggest.

I can't think of how many times I would use that in a message. Honest.

honestly, I have no a what I would use IT. But it's coming alongside other things, a treasured chest trumpet. But I I look at these and I wonder, can gin mogi generate these a oji instead of having, like, now maybe we, maybe we can get ahead of the game. And I have a big for mogi now.

something I didn't appreciate for a long time. I forgive me, this is incredibly obvious, but if. I, so I give me smart face as emerging.

If I, for some reason, and who knows why, decide in a message to put a smile face there. IT is on my iphone, looking very nicer, yellow and smiling. IT arrives on a friend's android phone and it's a smile.

The facebook IT is not the same icon. What's happened is the phone has been told, look up the icon for any mode, a smile. And it's shown its version of IT generic.

It's a unicode.

yes. So just like different funds and things, I want to sixty five IT shows the correct letter for that with jane muji. Since it's not uncover if is on your device you creating IT. Does messages send a picture of that or something? Or does IT just always arrive as in brackets, something to do with big foot written that in text?

Well, jin mojo returns a horrifying image if you type in scotch, but it's it's like a Harry body with the gilla head. But in a couple of them, their ice are glowing. Anyway, i'm not sure what's going on there.

Geno g does not use in a code IT is set quote quote as an image but apples doing some fun back and stuff it's essentially a sticker but in the IOS violence but so so but IT shows up as an m og um and what's interesting is once you send IT, IT becomes a part of everyone in that conversation sticker library so they don't have to generate the image. They can then just go to their emg picker and picket now they don't pick IT for some time. It'll fall off the back end. But uh that's a cool little feature of g mogi of even if you don't have an iphone, which geno gi on IT, you can have the generated em oji show up in your emotion al library.

So you'll telling me on my iphone I have a library of sticky and emerges you do is so how do I get rid of this?

How do you IT off? You can turn IT off. Funny enough.

okay? yeah. Keyboard key ard .

settings you to the emerging keyboard OK. And you can also turn off the suggestions in the emerging keep. There's settings for the magic keyboard. You can just get rid of IT entirely, I think.

But well, either thank you or you got my hops up for nothing. I'll find out shortly after with we called this, I didn't want .

to talk about a apple vision pro.

You never mention apple vision pro a. What do you do? So angle, you've previously said this not enough new content for IT, but now you're saying there is or at least is something new, right?

There is something new. It's a very small a couple of things, but it's again, we're seeing bits and pieces of what in the future should just be everyday things. But this is it's novel because it's the first it's a music video by the weekend and it's not really good.

Yeah I enjoy the weekends music and this was a fun music video um and I think this was really well done. The visuals were very well captured, lots of surreal things like you're in an ambuLance, you can look around lots of close up again on the weekend so that they're taking advantage of that kind of spatial threatens. You get close to a person, see a lot of detail there.

The 3d shape of their face， their nose. But then you get out that there's an ambuLance and you can look to the windows and you see the three d effective looking through a window, not at a two d image. And then they go out of the ambuLance.

And you're in a city, you're in a desert, there's horses, it's awesome. And then there's this inception like moment or the world holds over on itself and it's just a lot of fun. It's really well done and it's onesta probably I think it's the first like fantasy.

Ask, ask, imagine we've seen a vision pro. Everything else so far has been documentary style. So just a good way of saying, hey, this technology is cool.

This this is kind of us playing with IT. And I like that. I came out.

Okay, interesting. It's just I don't know what that I think because most music videos you can get that there are, of course, and these, but they are adverts really. Is there any special video advertising yet on apple vision pro?

Can't wait for my first spatial ad for coke rendered with A I, right? Yeah, we seen the A I coke ad. It's the worthing that's ever existed.

Yeah theyve made an ad with a eyes bad um very clearly A I T garbage. But uh, there's another video coming as we record if you're listening. IT is out today.

Friday bad award winning artist ray will be performing a few songs with her twenty peace band. X, right. So, R, N, B, jazz.

Pop, this is not, you know, because the original one. What was that? Our underground day in my remembering that correctly?

Not sure. But I don't have .

IT open in front of me.

right? Suddenly I miss not having an apple vision pro, but I think i've get over at the next time I look at the Price.

But anyway, there was the original, I am going to be an idiot if i'm saying the wrong person and a preachers. Very Young ground daves that studio experience where she's singing different songs and it's kind of like you're watching her record and album. She's playing in the piano and talking to her people and it's it's very intimate, very close to everyone and in this very tight space with everyone playing instruments.

And I was I was enjoyable. I really enjoyed that. And then there this isn't a equal to that, but I think it's in the same vain. It's called the concert for one series where you're kind of SAT in a space with this artist and they're singing at you and uh, sound sound school i'm i'm here for it'll be fun.

I realize actually the reason I thought about advertising is there was news this week that I didn't fully understand how to do with apple. Um is an apple news yes, apple news plus that this includes advert. I mean, I don't really noticed that many of them usually add for publications I don't subscribed to, but they're in there.

And now apple is selling. Those are spaces itself. Instead of president, be hiring someone else to sell them. Should I care about this? Do you know?

If you use apple news, you probably noticed that the ads are actual terrible garbage, all of them there, the worst of the worst in the internet that we have.

Think about this before. Yes, I remember now, but I still don't see that many of them for some reason, maybe because i'm outside the U. S. So there are lots things that don't get that are good, perhaps their advertising markets different maybe.

but the the asterabad and apple, I think, has been renting these ad spots out through there, this other subsidiary. But what they are going to do now is sell the ads summer elves. And what i'm hoping is they don't just continue to sell these garbage companies.

What i'm hoping for is apple takes this as an opportunity to get some actual good ads because there is such a thing as good ads. I know there's I even spent most of my twenties wanting to get rid of every ad in the world. I never wanted to see an ad again.

I had that mentality. I understand IT deeply, but i've grown to understand a little bit of this world. It's useful in some ways, advertising can work and be useful.

It's just been abused to the point that we want to get rid of IT. But when advertising is good, IT works, it's nice. And I think that apple can do like we all enjoy in a good apple commercial.

For example, apple does a good job or there's actual taste as or billboards or promotions that like make sense, that look good, that don't take away from the experience, like I hate watching television and having a dental commercial come on at ten ex the volume to get your attention terrible and abusive of an awful right whether you can actually just have a commercial says, hey, this things cool. You know, go to this website is a thing that exists and believe in or not there was a time that you didn't know what x thing was without that advertisement that yeah like they they do work there. They serve a purpose.

So I there are people out there who say apple news shouldn't have any ads. I don't think this realistic because of the way apple has to pay the companies that are on there. And when you're viewing their content, they have to a financial incentive, and apple isn't going to just pay them out of pocket. So I think that apple has an opportunity do something cool here.

When I studied marketing, IT was made very clear to me that there is actually a clear difference between marketing and advertising. The purpose of marketing is you've got this product, how to get IT to someone that IT would like IT that IT would be useful to. Advertising is more like shouting and everybody and IT feels like we just get a lot of shouting that we did direction.

So, uh, I read this and thought, okay, but now you've actually given me a little hope that you will put in my mind, in fact, that being in the U. K, I still don't get the daily crossword, an apple news and I believed to do. Ku is now in their as well for america, maybe canada as well, but not for anywhere else, so that the apple car, apple got even so, you know, the U.

K. Is being really treated now by apple. There's just not fat. I know that bunches you are saying about people can correct you on things. Where can people find you if for some reason they know IT isn't area and grand day is somebody else? Well.

funny enough, this is change. And I want to commission this here. I'm still a massed on, don't worry. But I did create a blue sky ke.

So we talked about.

I think even mentioned last episode of just like I don't know how I feel about this, seems like it's blooming up. I'm going to look into IT. Well, I looked and it's weird actually I was reading about IT and I was like, you know, I should at least reserve my handle.

You never knows some. I'm a public enough figure that someone might be like khang when to go get his user name and mess with this guy or whatever. So just like I am going to go reserve my use name and see see what this looks like.

And it's actually really interesting. I didn't join IT before because I don't want to deal with jacket orsi and he's actually been longing. So I discovered that first off, and that's what made me actually want to look into this because I don't want anything to do with that person, I would honestly never create a handle if he was still part of his company.

He's long, long gone. It's twenty people running this little upstart, and they are now over twenty million users. It's madness. They're dealing with an influx of one million users a day. We're seeing people there that i'd never saw a mess IT on mark cambell join the other day. I'm seeing gary with a lot of good writers, lot of good directors, a patent oswell just names I get IT social media, maybe not great for following celebrities, but I enjoy seeing what those people say and do use social media, how to use that but that's just something that I enjoy following sometimes um as long as they .

are not too abusive of posters can I just tell you there's one more person you've heard of who joined blue guy me couple of friends who in the OK joined IT said, got meet when I looked in the first I don't like twitter. I thought it's exactly like twitter and some of the first comments as didn't appreciate at all. But then another friend actually have in the state was telling me that you can submit to fees are certain types of news.

And SHE gave me a list, these things that shedding. And she's right. It's much more interesting read than I thought. Although hours into IT practically, i'm not really using much.

I need to follow you. And because I only joined, but I I wanted to break down a couple things very quick, just take couple minutes to discuss that because this is so different, right? So twitter was twitter and then I became x and our leaving IT and I don't think it's ever gonna get back to being a useful place to be.

Um I think anyone who's serious about having a community or making money on the internet or whatever your goals are with social media, x no longer represents those goals. And the sooner you leave the and and start rebuilding your social graph on another website, the Better off you'll be. I won't tell you where to go, but honestly, massed in on a blue sky or great.

And I think out of the three, just don't even threads, just don't even bother. It's it's facebook it's the same thing. It's facebook. It's just don't do IT it's not worth IT IT is actually getting worse by the day anyway of the of the four, but ignoring threats of the three.

Blue sky I think is the one I think it's going to win here because as long as they can maintain maintain their growth and I think they are I think this is people are concerned because there's investors that has to do crypto, whatever. sure. But there's always there's always reasons to be concerned with any kind social media company, but their foundation is so strong.

So Mason was the nerdy website that was started by nerds for nerd's, and it's federation. And I think federation is ultimately the future of social media. Blue sky even bought into that slightly.

They didn't go to the festivals, but they are creating their own federated version of social, which is interesting. I I will get all of that. But whatever, that's why a lot of people I missed don't not like blue sky because I didn't federate. But anyway, they are trial this.

I do not.

So federation is this idea that if you're on massed on, you can follow people on threads. You can also so create an account on pixel fed, which is their instagram competitor. And but you can also see the pixel feed feed in a method on client, right? They're all there's a youtube client, right? And you can sign in with your message on account to this youtube plant and put in, this is all a universal.

You have a user name and you sign in everywhere and you follow everyone everywhere and choose your client, choose your saying there's a tiktok like client called loop loops coming out that's being worked on, that is also federated. So IT all works together. It's this idea that instead of silos like facebook and youtube and my space and twitter, whatever, it's kind of a universe of social media.

They're all acknowledging, acknowledged in each other directions, but their distinct in their U I and and and user base. But you can follow everyone, if you don't want a loops account and you have a master on account, you can still follow people on loops for master on right. That's the idea.

Anyway, massed IT on is complicated. It's basically the linux of these things. People who really know what they are doing can take advantage of IT and get a lot done with IT.

But to anyone else that might as well be written in higher glyphs. The fact that when you join, you have to choose your server is a step too far from most people, and they don't want anything to do with IT. So, so messed IT on has grown a lot, and I IT will continue to grow.

And I don't think it's going anywhere. It's gonna be tumble. If I could give IT IT with an analogy.

it's gonna be tumble tumble yes IT which .

still exist to referred to tumbler which is also federating funny enough um it's going to be a tumble where the nerds like certain dishes are going to grow big communities there. I think the developer niche is going to be huge and will always be huge on mess IT on unless IT explodes or maybe they find blue god to be a Better replacement. But IT is going to always be a nh social media.

You're never going to see gary weta or mark hamill on massage on, for example. So dropping over to blue sky so everyone massed IT on my account. If you haven't yet, it's worth IT.

It's there is a community there, especially as apple people there were there apple journalists and stuff like that. But you won't see like a massed on account for apple or for beats music, right? So like that's that's not happen.

There's a corporate presence as which might be a positive for some people. So on to blue sky. Blue sky is uh basically twitter, which not x, which is its own thing.

Now it's become its own entity. I'm talking about two thousand ten twitter. IT is new. Everyone's joining. IT is growing very quickly.

And all of the people that you would never see on mid on, but maybe on threads are coming to blue sky. And that's what's interesting about this. I'm seen people I haven't seen since I quit and are following them.

I'm seeing is not just that there. So you have the user base, twenty million now increasing by a million a day. Twenty thirty million by the end next week. Who knows? It's growing quickly. I know that small numbers compared to something like threads, but there is data out they're suggesting that blue guy is about to surpass threads daily active users because active users is different from account numbers and through and blue guys, a very active community. Anyway.

I can actually tell you, because what I was saying that I looked for you and I have found you on blue sky as at hilly, don't check, so i'm not following you. But also I found out that people have been following me in a few days since I joined. And I looked at you and I said on, but I clicked on fairly familiar names, and everyone I clicked on had feminist in their bio.

And i'm thinking, these are my people. I like IT here already, so thank you. Go back, I will do more on. This guy is feminists .

in their bio. Was at a label because, because there are so many features. So I want to break them down.

Guys, it'll be a chapter you can skip IT. So, blue sky, yeah, blue guy has so many features that I think every social media should deal. First of all, labels.

So you can.

Thousand foot view. There are our lists you can generate a list of people are right? So every person is the ability to make a list and you can make a starter pack, which is a something you can share. Um I actually made a blog post on my personal blog pin on my account right now as you listen of, and it's filled with information about blue sky, why I made this decision.

And that has a list of starter packs and I add to every day of starter packs of tech, black people in tech, techmeme, leaderboards, developers, designers, all these star packs with, and they max out on one hundred fifty people. I have followed seven hundred people because these starter packs, and it's excEllent. And and what's great is I can follow seven hundred people because I can create, feed.

They sell out that not sell, but it's all it's all they have algorithmic fees and the discover section, like you're choosing a suit to wear the you only want to see the top posts liked by your mutuals, add that feet to your list and you could score the different feeds. It's a top scroll bar. Ah, so you're basic discovery.

Feed is algorithmic. Then you have your thielen feed, which is a chon logical. I've added a only post feed, which is a feed without any repost or likes or replies, which I used to catch up every morning because then I only see what people are talking about rather than what they are reposting.

There's a feed for what's hot. There's a feed for all kinds of different feet. You can subscribe to and pen to your top bar. You can create your own personal feeds, uh, and then these starter packs that you follow people but the universes started, but you can create blocking lists and people are using algorithms.

And uh, basically they're saying, for example, if anyone has a political term that is bad and their bio, they automatically get added to this list. And then you can say, and then you can subscribe to this list and say, automatically mute everyone in this list or automatically block everyone in this list if you want to go nuclear. Uh, I have actually done a couple these blocks list.

I don't block automatically, but I do you automatically. And then i'll see that they're muted and can open and say our uniform person and the blocks up. So that's cool. And that and that actually has eliminated a lot of the potential hate on the platform because where people are able to join and immediately block and remove the people that could cause some problems, which is excEllent. We've seen a lot of the particular bad actors from x try to join to start some stuff and immediately get removed by the moderation team or at least get added to this block list.

So that's cool and sold me. I've got to play with this.

And in part three, I I I got to close. But is there's one more really important one um labels, and that's what we're getting back to. You see there's a labelling system. You can label people based based on what they post.

So for example, there is a label or that I followed that will let you know if someone posts a lot of anti trans content or anti L G B T Q content and will put IT. IT doesn't do anything. IT doesn't alert them that you're doing this.

You subscribe to the labelled and when you're viewing their profile, IT just shows up as a little sticker icon under their name, a potential transformer c thing. And what's interesting is, is it's not perfect, okay? And you have to know this going in.

It's not like, oh, automatically this person is transformed. C IT just means that their content might have that in there. That does that mean that person transformer? No IT just means that maybe they've reposted something or said something and you can take the time to look.

And if you ever see something from someone with that label that does that is transformer or something you don't want to see, then you block that, right? So yeah, it's a powerful tool set there. So many things are adding features all the time and they're growing all the time. So I just recommend everyone go give you a look, give me a follow, make your starter packs and um anyway, long story short, you can find him me on blue sky. I'm very active there because trying to build mice follow base i'm still on asked IT on and you can email me uh h west apple insider, not com, and tell me how wrong I am about everything.

Well, I think I think we should do is you mentioned your blog that had details spad this. So if you know, i'm not good to link to that because he told me so many things that i'm not sure I took a more in, but I want to go play with them more. So I really father.

I really want to to emphasize how different this is, how special IT is. Yes, right now, it's in its early phases, and of course, it's going to feel very exciting. And everyone's talking about how fun IT is.

And everyone on blue sky is talking about blue sky. It's in that phase. We'll have to see how that feels after that phase done. But IT does feel nice and I want everyone want to take part in that nicest.

I'm grateful for that because I really did. I mean, I had this, this other friend, to persuade me to try again. My first gLance was, this is twitter. So saying that IT isn't is good, but will include your body sky linking there and include mine. And I will try to remember to look at, did where .

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internet ah oh, thank you for asking. Youtube nineteen eighties, where in the world did I get that from eight keys? I've only made a couple of hundred videos in the fifty eight s it's time I changed the number. Clearly fifty yeah, fifty eight ties on new tube or William and outsider duck come and not getting. That's probably the best way emails good for me and you are .

billiam loves emails. And I wanted to say we got another great review from brighton Cooper. I don't think I read this before, but these things staggers out weirdly, right? He says this was opposed to before last episode.

IT wasn't there. So if I did read this before, forgive me, you will just get a second appearance. But braden Cooper says, love the show.

I just love the show. This is where I go for apple news. I can't wait every week for the new episode every friday.

So great review. Thank you. Keep giving us those five star reviews or whatever you want to give us.

We'll read them on the show. I like the feedback you can tell us about IT there. Email is you post on blue sky. Whatever you want to do, let us know what you think is the show. And yeah well, always happy to hear the comments.

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