"You have a stopper and a sweeper.... it turned out we had two sweepers... but they complemented each other."
Episode One of the brand new Talking Devils, the podcast from TalkOfTheDevils.co.uk, has a spectacular introduction : an interview with former Manchester United manager Tommy Docherty.
Author Wayne Barton speaks to Tommy in detail about the composition of his great 1970s team at Old Trafford. Docherty is known for his wisecracks and stories, and while this podcast has some of those, rarely has he spoken so candidly about the specific qualities he wanted in his team.
This is a nostalgia trip for those lucky enough to have experienced that era, and an education for those who weren't.
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