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01/12/2025: The Fires, The FBI Director, The Gaza Policy

2025/1/13
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@克里斯托弗·雷 :我认为,美国面临的最大长期威胁是中国政府,它是我们这一代面临的决定性威胁。中国的网络计划是迄今为止世界上最大的,规模超过所有其他主要国家的总和,窃取的美国个人和公司数据也超过所有其他国家。中国政府还在美国的民用关键基础设施上预先布局,潜伏在这些网络中,以便在他们选择的时间和地点造成破坏,造成现实世界的损害。他们已经将恶意软件植入关键的美国基础设施,例如水处理厂、交通系统、能源部门、电网、天然气管道和电信系统。他们甚至窃听了美国政府官员、卡玛拉·哈里斯竞选团队和唐纳德·特朗普本人的电话。 我决定从FBI退休,是我做过的最艰难的决定之一。我非常关心FBI、我们的使命,尤其是我们的员工。但是候任总统已经明确表示,他打算进行人事变动,法律规定他可以出于任何原因或根本没有原因这样做。我的结论是,对局来说最好的办法是尝试以有序的方式进行,而不是让FBI更深地卷入冲突之中。 我们的工作是遵循事实,无论谁喜欢与否。我补充最后一点,因为在我担任FBI局长的七年半时间里,我看到人们经常声称他们非常关心独立性和客观性,直到独立性和客观性导致他们不喜欢的结果。真相就是真相,并不一定符合任何一方的意愿。我们能做的就是确保我们专注于以正确的方式开展工作,遵守我们的规章制度,并且不让偏好(无论是党派偏好还是其他偏好)来驱动或玷污我们的方法。 在对候任总统的调查中,我们非常努力地确保我们忠实于这些原则和规章制度。在对特朗普的调查中,当我们得知机密材料没有被妥善保管时,我们有责任采取行动。在这样的调查中,搜查令从来都不是任何人的首选。我们总是尝试首先采取最不具侵入性的手段,首先尝试自愿获取信息,然后是传票。只有在所有这些努力之后,我们才得知特工们没有获得所有机密材料,事实上,这些努力受到了阻挠甚至破坏,然后我们的特工们别无选择,只能去联邦法官那里,提出可能存在的理由,并获得搜查令。这就是这里发生的事情。 拜登白宫没有对任何针对特朗普的调查施加影响。我本人没有与拜登白宫就对前总统的调查进行过任何互动。据我所知,FBI也没有任何人这样做。 我担任FBI局长期间,我们处理了FBI历史上规模最大的案件,即2021年对国会大厦的袭击事件。候任总统誓言要赦免被指控的1500人中的许多人。我认为,重要的是要退一步,记住我们正在谈论的是数百名被定罪的人,他们中的大多数人对严重的联邦罪行认罪。事实上,我认为其中大约170人对袭击执法人员认罪,其中数十人使用危险或致命武器。还有很多人被判犯有煽动阴谋罪。几个月前,我们在田纳西州的一个案件中,陪审团判定一名1月6日被告有罪,他实际上加倍犯下罪行,因为他制定了一个暗杀名单,要谋杀FBI探员。在我看来,对执法人员的暴力和威胁是严重的事件,绝对不可接受。 @西西莉亚·维加采访的美国国务院官员 :美国政府支持以色列在加沙的战争,这违背了美国的价值观,并威胁到国家安全。美国对以色列的军事援助导致了加沙的巨大破坏,并且反美情绪空前高涨,增加了美国本土恐怖袭击的风险。美国政府官员对这种政策表示担忧,并因此辞职。 @比尔·惠塔克 :洛杉矶山火规模空前,破坏巨大,消防资源严重不足。由于强风,直升机无法及时参与灭火,加剧了火灾的蔓延和破坏。 @斯科特·佩利 :FBI局长克里斯托弗·雷在任期间面临巨大的政治压力,但他坚持调查遵循事实和法律,不受政治影响。

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What made the Los Angeles wildfires in Altadena particularly devastating?

The wildfires in Altadena were devastating due to the ferocious Santa Ana winds, which reached speeds of up to 80 mph, causing the fire to spread rapidly. Over 7,000 homes and structures were destroyed, making it one of the most destructive firestorms in Los Angeles County's history. The fire moved so quickly that residents had little time to evacuate, and the water system was overwhelmed, leading to a lack of water pressure for firefighting efforts.

Why did FBI Director Christopher Wray decide to step down early?

Christopher Wray decided to step down early because President-elect Donald Trump made it clear he intended to replace him. Wray believed that an orderly transition would be best for the FBI, avoiding further political turmoil. His resignation came after years of politically fraught investigations, including those involving Trump and Biden, which made his position increasingly untenable.

What is the greatest long-term threat facing the U.S. according to FBI Director Christopher Wray?

Christopher Wray identified the People's Republic of China as the greatest long-term threat to the U.S., particularly due to its extensive cyber program. China has stolen more American personal and corporate data than any other nation and has pre-positioned malware in critical U.S. infrastructure, such as water treatment plants, transportation systems, and the electric grid, posing a significant risk of real-world harm.

What concerns did State Department officials raise about U.S. policy in Gaza?

State Department officials criticized U.S. policy in Gaza, arguing that it runs counter to American values and threatens national security. They highlighted the use of U.S.-supplied weapons in the conflict, which they believe has led to widespread civilian casualties and increased anti-American sentiment in the region. Some officials resigned in protest, citing the lack of red lines on how American weapons were used and the complicity in the humanitarian crisis.

How did the U.S. support for Israel's war in Gaza impact its global standing?

The U.S. support for Israel's war in Gaza, including $18 billion in military assistance, has led to widespread criticism and anti-American sentiment in the Arab world. Protests erupted, with people burning American flags, and groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS have used the conflict to recruit and issue calls for attacks on the U.S. Diplomats warned that this policy has put a target on America's back, undermining efforts to strengthen ties with the Arab world post-9/11.

What role did U.S.-supplied weapons play in the Gaza conflict?

U.S.-supplied weapons, including 2,000-pound bombs, played a significant role in the Gaza conflict. These weapons were used in airstrikes that caused extensive civilian casualties, including women and children. Critics argue that the U.S. failed to set clear red lines on how these weapons were used, leading to indiscriminate bombing and a humanitarian crisis. The State Department acknowledged that Israel may have used American weapons in violation of international law but could not definitively connect them to specific cases.

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This chapter recounts the catastrophic wildfires that ravaged Los Angeles, focusing on the experiences of residents in Altadena and the heroic efforts of firefighters battling the infernos. It details the scale of destruction, the challenges faced by emergency responders, and the emotional toll on those who lost their homes and loved ones.
  • The Eaton Fire in Altadena destroyed over 7,000 homes and structures.
  • Santa Ana winds fueled the rapid spread of the fires.
  • Firefighters faced overwhelming challenges due to high winds and limited resources.
  • The emotional impact on survivors and the community was profound.

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Bill Whitaker covers the catastrophic Los Angeles fires from the ground and the air.

As Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Christopher Wray prepares to step down before President-elect Donald Trump takes office, correspondent Scott Pelley speaks with him for his only broadcast exit interview. Wray, whom Trump nominated in 2017, reflected on his decision to depart early, the Bureau's future, and the threats America faces.

Former State Department officials criticize the U.S. handling of the war in Gaza. Officials told Cecilia Vega that U.S. policy runs counter to American values and threatens national security.

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