The Best Of The Pick Up - Encores are CANCELLED!
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This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany. And this is our radio show, The Pickup, where we package up all the best bits from the week and we bring it here for you to listen to. We did have a really fun week actually. We had Sam Fisher in the studio with us.

I love Sam. If you came to any of our Life Uncut live shows when we toured around Australia, he was, I shouldn't say our support act, he's so much bigger than us, but he was our support act. He opened the show. He's the singer of This city's gonna break my heart. Don't butcher his beautiful songs, Britt. Well, I just wanted people to know just like how big we're talking. We adore him, but he also has a brand new single coming out. And also, I mean, I love this conversation because he has just recently gone independent. So he's left his,

big music label that he was a part of. And he talks about the, I guess like the industry, but also just how hard it is when you are signed under a huge label deal and like the things that you have to go through. Because I do think that there's this kind of expectation that if you have this massive hit, then it must equate to money. And, you know, Sam's been definitely through some challenging times. And he was talking very vulnerably about how you can

have a huge hit like this city that's listened to and streamed billions of times and actually make no money from it. That's a slight exaggeration, not quite billions of times. Well, millions and millions of times. But like, yeah, his music has been streamed nearly a billion times for sure. But that was really fascinating how vulnerable he was in saying it's such a common misconception to think that every single hit artist is

Like he ended up moving back in with his in-laws and stuff. And we've spoken about it in the past too. Like Lily Allen, when she came out recently and said that she makes more money on her feet only fans than she does from some of her music, which is absolutely insane. And that's because...

depending on like when people sign and who they sign to, if you're a small dog when you sign and then you make it big, it doesn't matter. You've been locked into whatever you were when you signed. Well, it's not just that. It's also how much money was contributed to the PR and promotion. So like you end up with, yes, a hit, but a huge debt. You got to pay it back. That you have to pay back, yeah, to the music labels. It's really fascinating. So he goes into all that and also his new song. Also something that I shared on the show. So like Lola, you guys probably know a little bit about this, but Lola,

we've kind of made such massive headways with her over the last few weeks. The dummy fairy came and it was exceptional. But now we are trying to work through the fact that every night she sleeps in our bed. And when I say our bed, it's kind of turned into my bed because Matt now leaves our bed and goes and sleeps in the spare room. So it's just Lola and I. And this has been something that's been increasing since Matt was in the jungle. Look,

It's definitely a tricky thing and it's the next on the agenda in working on the lola-isms in our life. And to get my life back on track. I just, yeah, I just want to feel like me again. I want to sleep next to my husband. I get that. I understand that. I want to sleep next to mine too. I want to sleep next to your husband as well. Anyway, guys, let's get into it. Well, these old ducks, I shouldn't call us old ducks, but I feel like it's been a hot second since I've been to a concert. We went to Dua Lipa on the weekend. Look at the disgust on your face that I said these old ducks.

Old Ducks, yeah. Because I was like, speak for yourself. Also, I've been to a few concerts recently. One of them does make me feel old because it was Blink 182. And I also say Old Ducks because I have realised probably in the last 12 months, I've been to a few concerts. And I know you and I have discussed it, Laura, but I've realised I am at the

point where I don't want to be standing anymore. And that I think comes from age. I want the comfort of a seat. I want the option to be able to sit down. My back hurts. I've definitely, I've passed the threshold because when I was younger, like when I was in my 20s or I was 18, 19 and I was like a real either festival or concert goer. Raver. I remember thinking this one. I remember being at a concert and thinking who would ever buy a ticket and

as an option to sit in the stand. Like if you had the ability to be in GA and you could be amongst it in the vibrant mosh pit, why would you ever like want to voluntarily choose to sit in the stand? Now you get it. And okay, something's happened in the last few years and I don't know when it did. I don't know when it took over. I think it was

the moment last concert at blink 182 when you jumped up and down and wet yourself i reckon that was the moment it was my pelvic floor that let me down i reckon it probably was but no so i we did jewelry very differently brit you had a wonderful very lush experience i was in a suite yes and i was with my sister and we went ga and like i thought i'm gonna get down there i'm gonna dance i'm gonna non-stop enjoy myself and i reckon i got about 45 minutes in and i was like oh

My pelvic floor feels heavy. My knees hurt and I'd love to sit down. And there's an 18-year-old smack into my back who's had too many tequila shots. So it's a different vibe now. It's a different experience. Well, I wanted to talk about something else. I didn't want to rub it into you that I was seated with the toilet available to me and I didn't have to wet my pants. Unrelatable for everybody who had to get GA. I felt very lucky, yes. But I want to talk about something else. Something I realised in the moment that I am over and I don't want to happen at concerts anymore.

The humble or not so humble encore. The idea of an encore. I'm done with it. Just sing your songs. Just sing your songs. Don't pretend to sneak away so that we call you back. We don't want to. You're like, I don't want to chant for you. Just do your songs and leave. I do just think it's one of those outdated things that people or artists maybe just think has to happen. Like, you know

when you go to a wedding, there's things you need to tick a box off. Like when you're holding a wedding, you need to do the speeches, you need to do the cake, you need to do the vows, whatever. I think artists, not that I am one or will ever be one, but I think that they used to think that that was how a concert needed to go. You had to go off and pretend and you had to be called back on and be like, okay, I'll pretend.

Obviously because it once upon a time had a point. Like once upon a time people would leave and the concert would be finished and people would scream for them to come back and they'd scream and chant and chant and chant and then eventually the artist would be like, oh my God, stop it. You guys love me so much. I'm back. The problem is now is that the encore is written into the set list. And with Dua Lipa, my only gripe, like my only, because the concert was amazing. She's like the hottest thing that's ever graced the planet. But she can also sing. Ridiculous.

Literally the entire time I was like, look at her. She's so hot. The best song, like my favourite song that she sings was in the encore. So I was like, you planned this. Yeah, but that was intentional because she knows people like you want to leave early so you avoid the masses. But you also know that an encore's coming and the absolute telltale sign of this is that the lights don't go back on. So they say, bye everyone. Bye.

And then they walk off and it stays pitch black so you can't leave in if you wanted to. And also all their musicians are still gearing up. The drum is still twirling. The drum sticks in his fingers. Like you know they're about to crack on. But I would appreciate it so much more. If they caught a spade a spade. Just like sing it, pump it out and then at the end you're like, thank you, I'm properly going now. Thank you for your time. Do you know I went to a Foo Fighters concert forever ago and Dave Grohl is notorious for not doing... For cheating? I mean, sorry, what? Sorry.

Sorry, continue, please. That was a slipper of the tongue. For not doing encores. He's like, we don't do them. We have our set list. People know what they're getting. Just cheer and you know that the last song's coming, so cheer that it's the last song. How long do you think after he walked off that people realised you were serious? Like, how long do you think people waited? No, you know. So he literally was like, at the concert, he said, I don't do encores. You're not getting an encore. This is the last song. I'm going.

And it was. And to be fair, like the lights came on. There was quite a few people that stayed and cheered, but then nothing happened and we all left. Yes, there was people like, he'll be back. I was like, good on him. Good on him for sticking to his guns and staying true to like his own belief systems. Cheating and all. There was one concert that I went to. I can't remember who, but it was only in the last two years. And I remember being like, oh, like they fooled me. They were like...

bye, thank you for coming. And I was like, it's over, let's go. I don't think they're coming back. And I left to beat everyone. And then as I was like leaving the concert, walking to the train, I heard them come back on and I was like, God damn it. I was like, I missed it. That's why you're still feeling dirty about that, aren't you? I really am. I haven't moved on. Anyway, goodbye to the encore if you are any huge artists listening right now.

Actually, everyone. Everyone likes ice cream, right? It's just like a universally known thing. I will order it to my house most nights of the week. I don't even go get it. I'm that lazy. It gets delivered. Yeah. Are there any flavours you won't do though? Licorice. Hate it. Who? Who even makes licorice ice cream? I don't know. I do love the humble vanilla. I'm a bit against pistachio. I've always... I can't really do it. I feel like it's a waste of an ice cream flavour. Where's this going? Okay, look.

I would say that most things I will try. Like most ice creams, I'm here to give it a go. Like, you know, I think 90%, even some of the wacky weird ones are pretty delicious. There is a new ice cream flavour out there that Australians will be able to try in exactly nine months. And I don't know if we're going to feel the same about this one. Have a listen to this.

So we're creating a frozen treat that satisfies your late night cravings and fuels your body the way that breast milk and formula fuel a baby's. Sweet, nutty, a little salty, and swirled with rich, creamy fat. You've tried the rest. Now try the breast. Okay. I love this. Stop it. You don't. I do. So this company is called Frida. They're a company that's known for creating quite innovative but often very provocative and controversial products for mothers and babies.

They have announced that they are bringing out a breast milk flavoured ice cream. I have two questions here. Is it made with breast milk or is it just breast milk flavoured? Because that's two different things. Okay, I understand that you brought this, but I've obviously read more about it. No, it's not made with breast milk. It's breast milk flavoured. And I think that this is a brilliant idea.

brilliant marketing. All this is, is marketing. It's coming in nine months, which I think is so funny. They've advertised it now and said, hey, it'll be out in nine months. But they've said it's going to taste like it and be filled with the same kind of nutrients. So they're saying it's going to be sweet, creamy, nutrient packed. It's going to have all the like omega-3s and the carbs and everything that you would get in breast milk, but it's not

Well, the question is whose breast is it made from? Because if it's cow milk, it's still technically breast milk, right? Well, this is the problem, right? We drink milk from a cow's titty. What's the difference?

What is the difference? The difference is... Go on, what is it? That I'm not having an adult suckle my breast to get some cow milk. Actually, I'm not going to suckle a cow's either. People aren't ordering ice cream and they're not getting you turned up at the door and saying, here, have a suckle. I don't know. I think the thing is that because you can buy it from the supermarket, it feels so removed from the source. And maybe because I've actually breastfed a child, there feels something quite different about an adult human drinking that. I don't know.

I know that it's a weird concept when you think about the fact that once upon a time someone stood out in a field and thought, I'm going to milk that and drink it and make that cheese out of it. Okay, I can get my head around the flavour because I actually think it probably would be quite nice. But thank God it's not actually made out of breast milk because I think that there would be a whole lot of problems attached to that. Well, funny you say that. In 2011, there was an ice cream store in London called, great name, Baby Gaga. That was the name. And they were making...

ice cream with donated breast milk. So it was real breast milk, but they got shut down for safety concerns, which is also fair. Like if you don't know where that's coming from. Is it unpasteurized? Who knows? I've tried breast milk. I tried my own. I would

I would think that's normal, right? It's very, very sweet. And I guess like for me, it probably would have been nicer if it was cold. I don't really like warm milk. So that was weird. It comes out body temperature, obviously. So it's not quite hot milk. I picture it like the consistency and I know it's not. The flavor, when I think of it, I think it's...

Think of it like condensed milk. No, no, no. It's not like syrup. Like the sweetness? No. It's very watery. So it's like quite watery. Also, it changes colour. Like sometimes it can be a bluey colour. Sometimes it can be really yellow. You have too many Gatorades. It depends on what you've been eating, yes. But mine was like kind of like more of a yellowy colour. And it was just really sweet. Do you know what happened to me? So I was like postpartum and I had had to express to get my milk going. I was still in hospital.

And I had a cup of tea and I'd expressed into a takeaway cup. So this was like early doors of Marley being born. I'd expressed into a takeaway cup that was very similar to the cup I had of tea. And I must have just been still a bit out of my mind and out of my wits because I just picked up the wrong cup and took a full swig of what I'd expressed into it, thinking it was the end of my tea. It was an early introduction to breast milk, put it that way. But people swear by that. There are people that actually use that for health benefits.

The Kardashians, for example, when – I think it's Kourtney. When she's feeling unwell, she would drink a cup of breast milk because it's filled with so many nutrients. And when you think about it, it's keeping a baby alive. It is growing that – single-handedly growing a human life. Yeah, but that one's an interesting one because the thing is, is you're giving your antibodies to the baby. You've already got them. So re-drinking them I don't think is going to help. You know what I did though? So –

Apparently, there's like lots of research in it that it's like breast milk is really good for your skin. It's really good if you have like skin rashes, if you have any allergies or whatever. And yeah, there was a while there where I was like, well, feed the baby squirt a bit, use it like a toner. And I would just stick breast milk on my face. Feed perioral dermatitis. I do. I get perioral dermatitis. And I was like, I'll try anything to get rid of this. And it actually was not bad. If I have another kid, I'll probably do it again.

Well, we have the man himself in the studio with us today, Sam. You've been a friend of ours for so long. We've done many interviews with you. You even came on our Life Uncut podcast tour with us to every single show. We couldn't love you more. Welcome to The Pickup. Hey, my girls. It's so good to be back together again.

Come on. Honestly, the highlight of my life, doing that Life Uncut podcast. Do you mean the live tour or just the podcast? Just coming on for one single episode? Just that chat when we were hungover as hell in the studio using a sock as a mic, whatever, dampener. We absolutely were. It was like the night after a big show. We say a big show like we're ravers. We just did a podcast show. It's not like we weren't out ravers. It was incredible using our phones for the camera. Incredible.

Yeah. Look, that was back when we were budget. We've really moved up in the world. I mean, look at you. We got lighting. Mate, so have you. Okay. You have some big, exciting things happening in your life at the moment. You've moved. You also have new hair. But more importantly than that, you have a new single that is out now. Yes. It's called Love Life, which the lyrics of this, very sentimental. They are. Why? Like, what was the reasoning behind it?

It's been a crazy year and I am trying to focus on the joy in my life because I have a tendency to get quite negative when I talk about my career because a lot of just BS has happened. But being independent, moving to a new country, finding myself there and really trying to hold on to the joy in my life instead of focusing on everything that has gone wrong has been a real struggle for me. And so...

I just thought of Love Life because I want to love life and I want to find a way to be able to do that. And also I just thought like, it's not about my love life, it's about how to love life. And when I thought of that, I patted myself on the back and I said, you clever bastard. There have been some big changes as you just mentioned though. You've moved to London and you've gone independent. So it's a really big thing for an artist to go independent. How has that transition been and what's it look like?

It was really scary at first. I think going from any kind of major label system with a full team, with full budget, really that's the biggest thing. It's so, so expensive to be an independent artist and you really have to be intentional as ever with every decision and there's nothing that can be throw away.

I have a totally new team and they're all in London and they're all so supportive and very communicative across absolutely everything, which I wasn't in the past. And that's what has kind of screwed me over. Do you think you can become a bit of a number when you're with like a big agency? A hundred percent. And like when this city was going crazy, I was number one. You were the person. I was the person keeping the lights on in the building. Yeah.

And then, you know, in a perfect world, had I had kind of the proper advice being given to me at the time, I would have put my album out when this city was massive instead of four years later. But that is what it is. And focusing on the future, being able to be independent, to have total creative control is scarier than anything because every decision comes back on me. And my team is amazing. But at the end of the day, the captain of the ship is the, you know, the one that stays on the boat to go down.

And that's the analogy, right, guys? I don't know if that's a saying. Yeah, it is. The captain goes down with the ship. It does go down with the ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, is this a positive or a negative now? I'm not quite sure. You know, as in, like, I have so much pride in the boat that I'm on. You know what? Let's just love life if it does. You know what? I'm building this boat by myself. And if it sinks, I'm sinking it. Exactly. That's really what it is. If it sinks, I will be sinking it. It's on my watch. Yes. Yes.

But no, honestly, like being independent is really cool. I think there are so many sick independent artists. Bad Bunny is independent. Ray's independent. You've also seen though, I mean, like we've talked about it before, but TikTok has changed the way that music is pushed out and the way that people engage with music. And I think so much of like what you are doing and what has been created, like you are very smart with how you use TikTok to push that vehicle. Thank you so much. Well, you are

so welcome. Because I often don't think I am very good at this. No, you are. And it's what happened to you with this city, which is crazy that that was seven years ago. I know. But now over the past seven years. And I'm only 21. You're a baby. I know. You look it too. First cube last night. Kidding. It's

It's funny what you just said, actually, Sam. You just, if anyone noticed, you just actually got so excited and frothed when Laura gave you a compliment. She was like, you're so smart. You stopped down. You were like, wow, thank you. Yeah. And then there is a quote. Well, these are coming from a social genius. Like both of you. You're so good online. Mine's not like social genius. That's so not true. It is true.

I've got a quote from you here where you said, I think I'm guilty as hell at looking for external validation. And you genuinely just did that with Laura. Yeah, I know. Still doing it. Talk to us more about that in relation to Love Life. I think it's so easy in this kind of day and age to be focused on the likes and the views and the numbers of it all. There have been times when I've posted a song being so excited about it and it doesn't get the reaction that I thought it would and then I get turned off the song. And that sucks because...

I know how excited I am about these songs and I think I've had to rewire my brain to focus on the art and just be proud of myself that I'm making this kind of music and that's what this song is kind of about it's kind of you know it's a confession it's my music let's be real it's always a confession but it's more like hey this is the way that I've been and this is how I'm gonna be going forward because life is too short to be worried about numbers and

you know, share comments. But you say this about songs, but I think people show up like this on social media all the time in different ways. Like people might post something that they've created or spent time doing and then it gets no engagement and then there's this feeling of like, I'm going to delete it because it's not good enough. You know, I know that that is like such a minute comparison, but...

I think we have built a society where we are kind of pushed to get our validation externally, not within the people or the things that we do or what we love. It's a hard game to fall into and it is the way that kind of the world is going right now with social media and everything and I think...

Being on the label and having the pressure of like, you need to get 5,000 pre-saves on a song. And then once you get to 5,000, they're like, okay, let's push for 20,000. And then you get to 20,000, you push for 50,000. And if you don't get to 50,000, then the label's like, maybe this isn't going to work. And you're like, well, I hit all these other goals. So it was always goalposts being pushed and pushed and pushed.

And now I'm celebrating the little wins. And I'm just excited to get music out. And this year, I'm putting out so much music. There's going to be consistent releases. As soon as this song comes out, day after, get ready for me to tease a new song. Yeah, perfect. And I have collabs and I have tours coming. I'm opening for Brett Young in May. That's so exciting. It's so sick. He's the homie. We're playing two nights at the M.O.R. Brett Young is like superstar, international superstar country.

First show was already sold out. Second show, still some tickets to go. Still some tickets left. It's going quick. But what's so cool is...

when I was 18, I worked the bar at Inmore Theatre. And when my parents split, my mum moved to down the road from the Inmore Theatre. And I always used to walk past and just wish that one day I could play in this theatre. And so it's going to be a sick hometown show, homecoming kind of, I don't know, checkbox. That's a great full circle moment. You'll be like pulling beers there. Exactly. And now you're the person. And now I'll be the one drinking the beers. People are getting drunk too. Yeah. Now you can buy the beers.

I've seen a couple of songs. I have a question for you in terms of like some of the songs and the lyrics that you write, like obviously they're very personal. And even when you talk about them, it's kind of like it's a personal discovery or like a little bit of a diary entry. How does your wife feel who's also a musician when she hears some of the vulnerable parts of songs? Like does it bring you guys together? Do you talk about it? Like how does that conversation fold out?

Yeah, I mean, Erin has been with me this whole journey. So she knows everything and she's seen everything go down. And there's been a lot of stuff that the public doesn't know that's happened behind the scenes, which was devastating. I mean, to be totally transparent, the reason we left LA was because I discovered that I had no money. And I was trying to figure out where that money had gone. And I realized that there were some bad faith actors messing about. And so...

We went through having to sell everything, pack up our little car and drive to Virginia. And we were in her mum's place for a year and a half living in...

yeah, my mother-in-law's basement. Which is crazy when you look at from objectively your success and what's happening online and what you've created, who you've collabed with, your downloads, your streams, like it seems unfathomable. I mean, even I Love You, Please Don't Hate Me on Spotify alone has had nearly a billion streams. But you know, Sam, it doesn't sound like that is that uncommon, I remember.

when I was in the jungle with Frankie Muniz. Different, he was acting, but he... Still. People in his life had like stolen so much money from him without him knowing as well. Like it seems like it's something that sort of you have to be really careful about. You absolutely do and I think I put too much faith in the people who I was supposed to. And that's the thing as artists, as creatives, like we are as good as the people we... the village we have around us. And...

It sucks that it's not a unique story and that it's happened to so many and you never think it's gonna happen to you until it does until you wake up and your credit card gets declined you can't pay rent and Move across country and live with your mother-in-law in Virginia for a year and a half It's okay, honestly character building and I have an amazing team now and

And I rebuilt and moved to London. And, you know, I'm still building financially. And it's funny, the perception of me, I feel like, is that I'm...

well off because I've had this big hit and I've collabed with amazing massive celebrities and whatever. But it's just not the case. And I think artists in general, we don't right now in this climate with the way that Spotify and all that pay us, we don't really make that much money from our music unless you own your masters. Well, Lily Allen just was recently saying she makes more money on her foot only fans than she does from her music. So maybe that's what you need to do. No one wants to see my feet, but don't worry, they're great feet, but I'm not going to start. Maybe if you go a bit further up, you'll do all right.

You know what I mean? Okay. Two or three inches will get me a long way. But yeah, no. I mean like, who was it? Was it Kate Nash?

Who was talking about the way she funds her tours on OnlyFans. Wow. And it's like, this is a legend of the game. It's crazy. What are we talking about here? And it's just, yeah. So like I said before, every decision I'm making now, I am stoked about. And regardless of what people say online, I'm thrilled to be putting out music and doing it on my own terms. Yeah.

You know, like hopefully some brands want to get behind it. You know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, it's very unfortunate that you are missing one of the biggest events of the year this year, my wedding. Oh, bro, don't talk about it. But I'm only allowing it because you've got, I don't want to say a bigger and better, you've got a different opportunity elsewhere in London. But how's London going for you? London has been amazing. It has been such a game changer. I think it's a little more like Australia. It feels a little more like home.

We've been there for about eight months. I've been going to London for a long time, but to live there and have pub culture back. We have an amazing just group of friends. And, you know, my friend Steph, who I did my gap year with when I was 18 in the south of England, we...

I've remained best mates. We're only 21. So like, you know, it's only been a couple of years. And you know when you're friends with someone who makes you feel good about yourself, but that you're friends with them, you're like, you chose me, which makes me a good person. There's that external validation. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. But it makes me feel good inside. We're working on this. Yeah, come on. I thought we'd worked on it. Oh, Jase.

Being psychoanalyzed. My goodness. But yeah, no, it's been sick. We have this amazing group of friends. No one's in music. And that is such a difference from LA. Who's your dream person? If you could go and perform or go on tour and support somebody, who is it?

Let's manifest it. Oh, my God. I mean, Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran. Taylor Swift would also do wonders too. You know, like if you're going to pick someone. Taylor Swift would be all right. Great to see you tonight. Sabrina Carpenter just came out of nowhere all of a sudden. Oh, man. But she's been hustling behind the scenes. Yeah, I'm sure she has. She's been doing her thing, but Taylor put her… On the map. What's that Coco Jones song?

Ed would be sick. But, you know, I want to sing with my childhood heroes. Like, that was a good dream. And I got to sing with Guy Sebastian and that was the best. And we're going to be, I don't know if this is out yet, but it is now. We're going to be playing a show together in June in London, which is going to be sick. You and Guy will be. Is that what you're doing instead of my wedding? You and Guy. Oh, great. Just gets worse. Like, yeah.

Like, not no, but also yeah. Well, Sam, I'm so glad you're thriving overseas. I'm so glad you're doing your own independently. Personally, I want to campaign to get you back to Australia. I want to see you hosting one of our Australian TV music shows. Me too. 100%. You would be so good for it. We should do it together. Are you kidding me? All three of us. No. I don't know anything about music. Yeah.

Your man's overseas, so I need to be your one here. You and me. Let's do it. Sam, I have a husband. That's not my career. Period. Thank you. And it's a team, okay? If you guys haven't heard Love Life, please go and listen to it. Go and download Sam's album. Let's support these local industry artists. But I hope that we see you again on another Life Uncut Tour as well. And congratulations on everything. I love you guys. I will come back every time. I love you.

So Lola, I've spoken about her a lot lately. She's my four-year-old. She's my youngest. She is amazing. She's your personality hire. I love her. I did call her the personality hire of the family because she is a funny, funny kid. But she has her quirks, right? Like she's four years old. We only just got her off the dummy. So last week we were talking about dummy fairies. Just recently we got her out of night nappies, which, you know, for a four-year-old kid is like a good achievement. Loads of four-year-olds are still in night nappies.

It's a justification. You don't need to throw that in there. Well, because I feel like people who don't have kids probably don't know what age is normal to still be in night nappies, but kids can be in night nappies until they're still in school. You know, like kids still wet the bed. Yeah, I think I wet the bed. I think I was still 13 once maybe. I remember being 15 and wetting the bed. Yeah, I did age myself down. I think I was a bit older. Yeah, I remember waking my mum up because I didn't know what to do and she was like, you're 15, get out of my bedroom, go sort it out. If you're old enough to be in your bed, come get me your old doctor clinic.

Humiliated for me. Anyway, no, look, we're on to the next phase of the Lola. I don't even know what we call this. I called it the Lola takedown. I got told not to call it that. Rebrand. Yeah, on the Lola rebrand. We're not rebranding her either. We're not cancelling her, taking her down or rebranding her. Let's just call it

the Lola Derby. Okay, so the next part of the Lola Rebrand Derby is that Lola still sleeps in our bed every night. And when I say our bed, I actually mean my bed because she takes up so much space in the queen bed that when she gets in bed, Matt, my husband, he leaves and he goes and sleeps in the spare room or he goes and sleeps in her bed. So I no longer share a bed with my husband. The problem with getting her off the dummy is that now her wake-ups have gotten a bit earlier and she doesn't have that thing that's

that settles her in the night time. So 11 o'clock, she's making her way to our bedroom. So I put her to bed of a night time and I give her a little kiss goodnight. This is how cocky she's gotten. I kiss her and I say, goodnight, sweetie. I'll see you in the morning. And she goes, I'll see you sooner than that. And that's how we go to bed almost every night. Almost? To be honest. It's like Chucky style. Yes, that scared me a little bit. She's sweet and so funny. You know what it's giving? I find...

Oh, 100. It's giving that vibe. She's got very good comedic timing. So much so, though, that sometimes it's a bit pointed and a bit hurtful. So this morning I was downstairs in the kitchen. She got up really early with me. I was getting ready for work and she was awake. It was like 5.40. And Matt came downstairs and he'd been sleeping in the spare bedroom last night because it was maybe 10 o'clock when she came and got into our bed. So Matt didn't even bother coming to bed with me last night. He was just like, I'll just go sleep in the spare room.

And I said to him, I was like, oh, honey, I really missed you last night. He's been away for the weekend as well. So I was looking forward to sharing a bed with my husband. Oh, if you know what I mean. Yeah, well, none of that. But I was like, I really missed you last night. And Lola pipes up, I didn't miss you. I had a lovely cuddle with mummy. Did you?

But you know what? That's not comedic timing. She's just being honest. That's the truth. I don't think she's trying to be funny. Oh, yeah. Matt didn't find her funny at all. He found it really hurtful. You know why? Because she frothed it. He just went away for a month to the jungle for I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. She owns that bed now. She owns you. Yeah, she owns me. You...

I'm owned by a four-year-old. You are under her thumb, absolutely. So this is it. I don't know what I'm after, but I do need to find a way of getting her out of the bed because everything we've tried has just ended in screaming. And the problem is that she shares a bedroom with her older sister. So if she's screaming in the middle of the night crying because she wants to be in bed with me, she's just going to wake her older sister up anyway. And then I've got two kids in the bed with me. So it's a real problem, real pickle I find myself in. It's good contraception for you, isn't it?

No. Well, it is because you can't get anything done. It's true. But if we are going to have a third, we need to figure out getting her out of the bed because there will be another baby that, yeah, it's just there's a lot. I have a lot of visuals then that I don't want. I talked to Lola recently and I said, how would you feel if mummy has another baby? And she said, you're not having a baby because I'm the baby. Ha ha. And I was like, chucky. Is she a little evil? I don't know. I'm concerned. She's great. She's good value. Okay. Yeah. You've actually left me a little bit unhinged.

It's Ask Uncut Day. We do this every week on our podcast, Life Uncut, where you write in or you call up with your problems and predicaments and conundrums, and we do our best to answer them. And today on the phone, we have Rachel. Rachel, what's going on in your life?

Hi, guys. I have a partner. It's still fairly new. It's been about four months, but we've known each other for a long time. And I've just found out that I've been given a job opportunity, but I have to move overseas and I need to tell him. Does he know that you're going for a job opportunity? Like, is this going to be as a full surprise or does he know that it's a possibility?

He's got absolutely no idea at all. And what do you want? Do you want to stay together with him in a proper relationship? Do you want to break up? Do you want to be casual? Like what are you hoping to get from it? I think...

I think I sort of thought casual would be best, but we obviously didn't really anticipate the feelings to be as strong as they are. So we're kind of in that, you know, that if I wasn't leaving, obviously it would probably be a more serious relationship. But my contract is for four years. Do you think it's feasible to do long distance or is it not a job that's like feasible? Like as in like you won't be contactable or I don't know. Are you in the CIA or special?

Bye. Look, it's definitely a hard one to keep in contact. So, yeah, a bit of a tricky job. This is what I think.

My fiancé Ben and I, the reason we are together is because of something that literally you just said word for word. You just said we would date. Like we would date if we were here in the same country. I met my fiancé for three days. He lived in another country. We literally said out loud, damn it, if you were here, if you lived here...

we'd be perfect and we'd date and that was the reason we ended up being together because we were like do you know what if somebody is that right for you you will work it out if it's like under whatever circumstances doesn't mean it's easy if you actually think that this person could be your person and you want to try then I would be really upfront and honest about it but if you actually don't care that much and you're just looking for something casual for now I think you're over

thinking it. I disagree slightly and the only thing is I know that you have experience in this Brit but you can call Ben your partner whenever you want. You FaceTime every day. I mean Rachel could be going to the moon for all we know and be uncontactable for seven months. Spoiler, astronauts have relationships too. Everyone can have a relationship. I doubt there's many astronauts out there who also do long distance at the same time. Of course they do if

You're in space, Laura. It's long distance. That's like the longest distance ever. Yeah, that was such a, don't take Laura's advice. What I mean by that is long distance when they're in the country. This is four years where you can't come back. Is that correct? Or you can come back in between?

I can't come back. But you can't come back from where? Space? No. I feel like there's a lot of secrecy going on and maybe we're not allowed to know. I'm just wondering. But that's okay. We don't need to pry into it. But I understand if you can't come back for four years, that makes the potential of long distance incredible. You can barely go four months without seeing Ben and you start having a meltdown. Yeah, but I don't.

we're reading too much into it, I don't think she's actually a spy that is going away for four years total. Yes. No, that's what Rachel's saying. She can't come home for four years. I know, can't come home to Australia, but are you coming home to like a home, but it's just overseas? Or are you saying you can't come and physically, is it impossible for you to see this person for four years?

Yeah, that's correct. Oh, well then no, it's over. Brittany, sorry, no, four years. I thought you just meant you couldn't come back to Australia for four years and then I was like, well, cool, if it's meant to work, he can go with you. But if you're disappearing, God, I want to know what your job is. You need to tell us. Rachel, I'm so sorry. I was trying to do it softly and then when Britt actually got the facts, she's like, you're screwed. Rachel knows, dear. Sometimes you just need to rip the band-aid off, you know. When do you leave?

So I find out my exact date in two weeks. Oh, okay. You need to tell him. I don't even have the exact date yet. But, you know, I'm like, I'm really leaving it to the last minute, which is not great. No, that's not fair on either of you and it's not fair on him because if you leave it too late, it doesn't give you a chance to actually have those conversations and work it out and leave on good terms. Like, I think you really need to do the right thing for both of you and tell him it's happening. You just leave him wanting more and then you come back in four years.

No. And be like, hey, babe, how you been? How long is it too long between when you can like disappear and then show back up? Four years. It's too long. I feel like four years is definitely the cutoff, right? I think you need to date another spy. That's the only way you're going to get through this. We know you're a spy, Rachel. I'm not a spy. Yeah.

That's what a spy would say. Oh, Rachel, good luck with this. It does sound like you're in a bit of a pickle, but good luck. And good luck with the next four years. Yeah, no, thank you so much.

Now, there is a couple, well, actually not a couple yet, but we'll wait and see, that everyone is talking about at the moment. And that is because Sydney Sweeney has recently just separated from her fiancé and she has been seen, dun, dun, dun, with Glenn Powles. Now, Glenn is the guy who was in that, what was the movie called that they did together? The Anyone But You co-star. Mm.

Did you see the movie? I loved the movie. It was terrible. It actually has the worst score on Rotten Tomatoes. It was really bad. Britney is all about the acting credentials of the two of them and I loved the lame rom-com that they were in. I loved the little bit of drama that happened at the time around like are they or

aren't they getting together? But the thing is, so she's just now become single. She's left her fiance, which there was lots of speculations ever since the show that she had fallen out of love with him and kind of had this, you know, fancy she wanted to be with Glenn Powell. They've now been seen together and spent time together just after their separation. And everyone is in overdrive and very excited about what the potential could be with them being together. Well, let's just...

Step it back a bit. Wind it back. She went to Glenn's sister's wedding, who she's friends with. She's been friends with him for years. She said she RSVP'd a long time ago as a friend. She was still with her fiancé. She was invited on her own. She wasn't invited as Glenn's date. But now that they both seem to be single...

They are, I think, leaning into the same narrative again. I think it was, well, I mean, they said originally their chemistry was all PR. They lent into the fact for the movie. They said it. Of course they said it. She had a fiancé. She had a fiancé. No, but she had

She admitted what a lot of Hollywood people don't admit. She's like, this is what you do to promote a movie. You lean into the chemistry. It was a choice. She's like, my fiance was a director on the movie. He was with me the whole time. He literally watched the whole thing. He knows what it is. It was very trusting. But you, as actors, they are pushed to drum up the publicity, which they did.

Sorry, that movie wasn't winning any Oscars. It was only consumed so much because people wanted to see if their real-life chemistry was going to be on the screen. Well, I do think the interesting part is that we seem to make allowances. Because the general consensus around cheating is that it's horrible. We hate cheaters. Every time we get questions into our podcast, Life Uncut, around cheating, it makes people so mad and people get so angry about it, which I understand because if you've ever been cheated on, it's absolutely horrible. But why is it with some of these Hollywood relationships...

when we ship the fictional characters on screen so much, we seem to be kind of more forgiving with their romance, like the potential of them leaving their partners and ending up together than what we would in other situations. And I think of people like Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper on A Star Was Born. I also think about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie on Mr and Mrs Smith. I know that there was some controversy around it at the time, but people weren't angry for their partners.

People just wanted to see them together because they loved the chemistry of this on-screen couple. It's not just because we love the chemistry, it's because we don't look at these people like they're real people. We don't look at them like they're real-life people with real lives. We don't look at them that they go home to their partners and cook dinner and walk the dog and pick up dog poo and they're not real. It's a fantasy. We romanticise...

Hollywood. We romanticize their life and who they are and the impact it has on other people. So we just look at it like, oh, these are two hot people that we vibed their characters in the movie. We want to see them together in real life. That's just a story arc for us. And we don't actually understand that at the end of the day, these are normal people that go home to their lives and their partners. And that's why I think we make allowances for quote unquote famous people to have these mishaps, should we say? Yeah. Mishaps, cheating, affairs. Affairs, let's call it. Yeah. You know,

When you hear a story about a famous person who's like, you know, ended up with the bloody nanny or something, like everyone's outraged. Do you know what I mean? Everyone is outraged. Because she's normal, quote unquote. Yeah, like Ben Affleck. Didn't he have an affair with the nanny?

Allegedly. Allegedly. He might sue us. I think he did. Ben Affleck's alleged affair with the nanny. That was the reason why him and Jane Garner separated. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Nanny. Not alleged. Had a baby. Confirmed. We all get really angry about these types of situations, this type of cheating. But when it's

an on-screen couple that we have absolutely shipped the chemistry of, we seem to have a lot more allowance for it. And if anything, there's people online who are like excited by it and like rallying for them to be together. I just find the whole thing fascinating. Anyways, I reckon they're going to end up together. I do. It won't surprise me at all. Watch this space. And Brit will think it's a PR stunt and I'll be like ready to, you know, send flowers to their wedding. I...

I have spoken to quite a few people in the acting world who have confirmed just how much these fake romances happen. That's what I will say. I know some people that I will not say. Can we get them on and change their voice? Absolutely not. I wish I could say who it was. A very big person in Hollywood that was going through a bit of a bad boy image and their publicist called and said, hey, we need him to get his image back on track. We're just looking for a super wholesome relationship. They can be together for a couple of months. Just...

You know, she'll be really good for his image. It happens all the time. I always think about Taylor Swift and Harry Styles. They're so short-lived. They had that beautiful little PR photo out walking down the park. It's hard to know. And then it was over. Anyway. Whatever. It means nothing. I'm spreading rumours.