Do We Have Full Frontal Double Standards?
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This episode was recorded on Camaragal land. Hi guys! Hi guys and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura. I'm Brittany. We have all just come back from Melbourne for the weekend where we all had very, very different weekends. Well, we had the same weekend with different experiences. We all went down to the F1, the Formula 1. I would argue it was...

Definitely different. We went to the Grand Prix, which we're... Well, I don't know. I don't want to speak on behalf of you, Laura. I'm currently obsessed with the F1. I was obsessed before I went because I got sucked into watching Drive to Survive, which is the documentary on the F1. If you guys haven't seen it, I recommended it a few weeks ago.

It's so good. I completely forgot that it was your vibe as well. I haven't seen it yet, but I should watch that. I honestly think it's funny that it's called a documentary, which I know it is actually listed as a documentary, but to me it seems a lot more like reality TV PR propaganda. I actually wouldn't say it's propaganda. Propaganda's a bit strong. Yeah, I was like, I'm trying to be diplomatic. You get my point. To me, a documentary...

isn't as interesting. So I see why they would make it into something that's a bit more thrilling. Keish, that's weird. Documentaries are so interesting. You love documentaries. I like the way that Netflix now make documentaries, which I don't necessarily think are documentaries. I think it's an opinion of a story, which is what I think the drive to survive is. I think they've done a very good job from what I've heard of sprinkling like a little bit of like Desperate Housewives or whatever it's called in there. It's like absolutely

It's definitely not Desperate Housewives. Real Housewives. Real Housewives. Okay, the only person that's watched the whole series, let me tell you about it. It's the Real Housewives of the track. Desperate Housewives, please don't come for me. What it does, and I think it's brilliant, I think it's doing a great thing for sport, every single individual sport, if you haven't noticed, are releasing their own documentaries, basketball, football, golf, whatever it is, they're putting a documentary in and it's making the sport grow to completely new levels. Even when we saw like the Aussie Matildas,

What it's doing is just creating another level of connection, another parasocial relationship where the second that you feel connected to anything in anyone, it's like the number one marketing tool for any business. It doesn't matter whether you're jewelry. It doesn't matter whether you're Coca-Cola. It's forming a connection. So people are getting to know these athletes and these drivers better.

There are parts of the story where they're talking about his father passing away and how he wanted to complete this race and get into the F1 from F2 before his dad died. And all of a sudden you're connected and you fall in love with the journey and the process. And then you love the sport because you love the person. I think it was done brilliantly. And that is why we've seen bigger crowds than ever.

Yeah, it was very evident. This year was like the most incredible turnout for the Formula One. And like we went a few years ago and don't get me wrong, like I absolutely love it. Like we had such a great time. I say it was a different experience because I took my children and you guys were off like being able to sip champagne in a box somewhere and I was on a Ferris wheel, which...

They had a great time. Great view. And it was a fan. I reckon I had the number one view of the entire race course. But it's just, it's a different experience when you do things with your kids versus when you get to have a babysitter. That's all I'm saying. It was a choice you made. I don't know where to go with that. That was your choice, Keisha. I had a great time.

Your choice. Just on that thing that you were saying about it becoming more popular, I listened to a podcast and I thought this was so interesting. So this is in North America alone. So I don't know about worldwide stats, but apparently the streaming rights of the Formula One used to be sold for about $5 million per year. Wow.

that has increased to $75 million per year. So that gives you a bit of a scale of like the popularity. And I know that whenever this happens, I also think it happens with bands when they become into the pop culture space and people are like, I was an original fan. You didn't like them back when I did. I feel like that's happening to the F1 now where people are like, no, I was into this before all of you blow-ins got

into it because of Netflix. Which is fair. Yeah, which is totally fair. No, but also, I mean, we were talking about it before and I think it's an important point. For so long, so many sports were inaccessible to women. Like they really were. And I think things like having a docuseries that

also creates an emotional connection. It's not just about the sport or the intricacies of the sport, but it's about the people. That's something that as, and I don't want to stereotype, but I would say that as women, we have like a deep connection for and enjoy the storytelling element of it. And it allows people to get into a sport that's probably for a very long time felt quite otherly or

arbitrary and not accessible to a lot of women so like when sport was only catering to a specific gender population and now it's opened itself up across the spectrum it just shows what how that's influencing the spectator numbers and influencing the experience of people there like it was truly it was a phenomenal weekend I know you guys have seen so many photos and stuff across social media but it was a very very cool experience to be a part of just one last thing I want to say is about forming the connection and things like I'm so deep into the F1 right now and

My whole algorithm now is spitting out weddings and F1. But Lewis Hamilton, who everyone knows that name, right? He's one of the, well, I think he is the greatest race car driver of all time. If he's not, he's up there. Yeah.

His story, you cannot not love him. Like his story of growing up as a kid, super, super poor. His dad's so determined to give him what he needed to be a race car driver. He got him in this go-kart that was like not secondhand or thirdhand, fifthhand. He put it back together. He painted it. He wrote his numbers on it. He had to work three jobs for 10 years. He went to work at like 4 a.m. in the morning for his first job and he would get home really late at night to give everything to Lewis and everything.

seeing their connection and when they talked about that story and knowing that it all paid off and he became one of the greatest drivers of all time, that is what sucks people into being connected because you're like, you are there for their journey. It's a hero story. It's a hero story. But when you see that stuff, you follow the sport just as much for the sport as as much for the person. And I think that's what has happened to me with the F1 is I really got sucked into their individual stories, which made me love the sport.

If that makes sense. Brittany is now a bonafide rev head. Also, I grew up watching it with my dad. I also just want to say like, this is not a paid ambassador. No, it's not. I just love it. For the Oz GP. We just had a really, really great weekend. Genuinely a great weekend.

But one thing I did do, it has nothing to do with the F1, but Keisha and I had to go. Keisha, long story short, has an infected toe. It's probably going to fall off. She broke her toe with a coffee machine. Yeah, I don't know if it's broken, but I dropped a coffee group head just in the wrong spot. I don't understand how it caused this much pain, but a lot of lifers, thank you to them, they reached out and told me that I needed to do this thing where you like

I'm not going to go into the graphics of it, but released the pressure from my toes so that... You put a hole in your toenail. Yeah, I melted one. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, you don't have to go into those details. You could just say a hole in your toe to let the pressure come out. Yes. And so my time at the F1 was...

such high highs, such low lows because I was in so much pain and like hobbling around. But I wanted to be there so badly that I was like, I'm just trying to ignore the fact that I can see my heartbeat in my toe. Like I can see the pulse. I did have Keisha's foot on my lap a lot of the time because I was like, elevate your foot that her ranky little foot had to go up on my legs. Why don't you ever let me put my foot on your legs? Because Keisha's was

was life or death. We were going to amputate her foot at one point. I do have to say never in my life have I received so many unsolicited foot pics, but it was just like a constant stream of updates from Keisha in the group chat over the weekend of feet. And it did come to a point where I was like, please stop giving this content away for free. People will pay for this. Get an OnlyFeed account. No one is paying for this foot picture.

The scabby blood. Okay, we'll put it on social media. No, we are not. Go to Life Uncut. It'll be there. She sent it to me originally and I was like, it's the pedicure for me. Half a pedicure on there. Because there's shellac still left on my toe. Shellac, I feel like could survive a world war. I just don't. It's too sensitive to try and get the shellac off. So there's shellac on half of my toe. It is actually the most rank thing ever. Anyway, I don't want to keep talking about my toe. It's disgusting. But I have got medical treatment for it now.

Well, my point of the story was Keisha and I went to, we had to get up early. We went down to Chemist Warehouse. We're like, let's go get you some antibiotics. Now, I'm sorry. Chemist Warehouse to me is like Bunnings. It is like you have a field day in there. You walk out of there with so much stuff. You walk in there for antibiotics and you walk out with like a hair scout massage and a body brush. I left Keisha at the prescription area.

And I was going down the aisle and I knew that I needed to get a new – well, I didn't need to, but I needed a new electric toothbrush. You needed one. Yeah, yeah, because the head was gross on mine. Anyway, so I went down the aisle. You can't just buy the bit. You don't have to buy a whole new one. Well, that's what I did. I bought the bit, but I couldn't find them. Anyway, so I went down the aisle until – there was like weirdly limited staff. Maybe they're on Smoko. It was Sunday morning and it was like 9 o'clock that just opened. So I went down the aisle and I saw one of the guys working there and he was like rearranging –

He was in the protein aisle. Like, you know, he was a protein guy. So he was like rearranging all the bars and the protein powders. And so I went up to him and I said, hey, do you know where the electric toothbrush is up? And he's like, no, I don't. Sorry. And I said, okay. He just turned around. I was like, well, do you mind finding out for me? And he turns around. He's like, I don't work here. I was like, oh, my God.

I was like, I'm so sorry. I thought you were rearranging the protein powder. That's why I asked. He's like, I am. I'm just trying to find my flavor. And I was like, my mistake. I just walked off. Okay.

And a good day to you, sir. I was like, you have a protein-filled day, sir. I was so embarrassed. Britt, like, shuffles up to me. I'm still waiting for my prescription. She's like, we need to leave. We need to get out of here. And I was like, I've got to wait for my prescription. Because I was just like, how rude. Because he just fully turned. He's like, no, sorry. Turned around. And I was like, cool. Do you mind asking? He's like, you ask.

Ask. You go ask. Was there anything about his persona or what he was wearing? Was he wearing a Chemist Warehouse t-shirt? No, he actually was not, no. But he was wearing a polo shirt that was quite tight because he had muscles. That was irrelevant to the story. Protein. He was wearing a polo shirt. So from side on as I was walking down, it looked like it could have been a work polo shirt. But it turns out he wasn't. He was probably on his way to his own job.

Yeah. This reminds me, I mean, I feel like everyone's had mistaken identity moments in their life, but this reminds me of when I was walking down the main street in Paddington, like near Five Ways, if anyone's from Sydney. And I was walking down there and I had a coffee in hand and I was like, just go on about my day. And then I saw a girl who was a customer of mine, or at least I thought she was.

She kind of looked at me and then I looked at her and I was like, oh, hey, babe, how are you going? Couldn't really remember. Couldn't place it. I couldn't place it, but I was like, oh, I think she's a Tony May customer. And she just looked at me kind of weird. And then as I got closer, I was like, oh, that's Natalie Imbruglia. I don't know her. Hey, babes, hi. She's not my customer. Are you torn? No. Hey, babe, how are you going? I'm torn. She was like, fuck off.

Are you naked on the floor? No, no, that's not it. Crying, yeah. I was, but anyway. Well, look, I have a random update for you guys. It's not a happy, positive, exciting one, but it is kind of a bit of an advocate for your own health conversation, which I think is an important one to have. So a couple of months ago, in September, actually it was last year, I'd had like a lot of

of just niggling discomfort, which I think a lot of people would put down to like period pain and like that kind of thing.

You know? I feel like it's so common to feel discomfort down there. Totally. Down there, like we're not allowed to say it. And like, okay, like this is too much information for you guys, but like, fuck, when do we ever hold back? After having sex, I would feel that kind of pain in my side a bit. And it was not overwhelmingly painful, but it was just kind of annoying. Matt's not that big. He doesn't stab you in the side. He was hitting my lungs. I was getting chest pain after sex and I just thought my throat was tickling.

He's going to love this. And then I was getting like a headache from my brain. I think he went all the way up. I think it gave me asthma. No, I just had a bit of pain in my side. Anyway, this has been going on for like quite a few months and I didn't really, you know, with that type of like niggling annoyances, you often just put it off and put it off because you're like, oh, it'll go away. And also like standard woman. Totally. And then it didn't go away. Anyway, I ended up going to my GP who referred me to go and get an ultrasound and in September, they

they when they did the first ultrasound they found that I had a five centimeter cyst on my ovary which they weren't like too alarmed about they were like yeah it's kind of big but it's not so big that we need to do anything about it. It's not small like five centimeters is not small. No it's not small but it's like I guess it's kind of just the response to it was more like a just wait and see and keep coming back and checking. The reason why I wanted to talk about this is because

I feel like, and I know that so many women experience this, like if you have endometriosis or PCOS or whatever else going on in your life, the healthcare system around accessibility, when you have something wrong with you from a gynecological sense, the wait times are so obnoxiously long. So for me to get in to go and see a gynecologist to specifically see about an ovarian cyst and

that's not deemed as high, high risk. The weight was like six to eight months, right? So we've been keeping track on it so far and it's now at eight centimeters and I'm in a lot of constant discomfort with it. And so I went for my scan yesterday and it's now an eight centimeter cyst, which seems pretty

pretty dramatic. And it was the first time getting a scan where actually someone seemed to be as alarmed about it as what I've been. And for me, like it was a very validating feeling, not because I want anyone to be like stressed out about it. You know, I'm not losing sleep about it, but I'm in constant discomfort and have just become so used to that being normal when it shouldn't be normal. And it's very fucking frustrating. Yeah. Speaking of that,

I had a friend call me a couple of days ago. We were supposed to go on a little vacay soon. And she's like, I can't go. I've had to have my fourth emergency endometriosis surgery. But even that, she's like, it cost me $14,000. And there's like no rebates and stuff. No rebates. Well, there is, but it's so minimal. Tiny. She's like literally $14,000. And even to get that done as something that was deemed level category four, like so she has it so badly. It was like,

six or seven months waiting for that. And then it costs her an arm and a leg and she has to get it. This is the fourth time she's had it because it just grows back. So the money that she spends on just trying, she can't work. It's so bad. And it's deemed as not a priority, not an emergency, not something that should be rebated. Well, I guess the thing that I'm in the midst of at the moment and sort of like unsure about what the processes is, is like, so now I'm in a situation where I have an eight centimeter ovarian cyst and

but there is still not an outcome. The wait is still so long to go and see an actual gynecologist around what the processes are. So even though I have the scans and I can go back to my GP, I still don't have clarity on what to do. And it's been deemed as potential risk of torsion. So like your ovary can twist and then you lose your ovary, you know, and it's like, okay, so we're all on the same page with this now, but what am I supposed to do with this information? And I don't know, I just feel like there must be so many women who go through these processes and then you know something's not

quite right or you have an outcome, but the wait times are just so frustratingly long to be able to do anything about it. And it's not just the wait times, it's the cost of it. Every scan is so expensive. The cost to go and see a gynecologist is outrageously expensive. And then the rebates are so minimal. So I guess like the reason why I wanted to talk about it is like, firstly, the only person who will ever advocate for your own health is yourself.

And if you're not the one who's pushing to have the appointments, to see the specialist, to get things checked out, nothing gets checked. And that's been my experience of this so far is that if it wasn't for me constantly trying to be like someone do something about this, literally nothing would have been done yet. And then it's still just left to like, hey, if it gets worse though, go to the emergency. Yeah, go to the emergency. It's too late if I'm at the emergency and I have a torsion.

They're great. Yeah, totally. But also like if you are waiting until you're going to emergency, the psychological toll of not knowing how much pain is too much pain, you know, as women were kind of always told, like expect pain around anything that has to do with your reproductive system.

And so what is the line? Like, what is the limit of I'm not able to live with this anymore. I'm going to go to emergency. Like, it's really disappointing to me that things are not, I know it's a systemic thing. It is not an individual doctor thing. It is not an individual hospital. It's not an individual practice. Systemically in Australia, we focus so much more on treatment than what we focus on prevention. And I really, I mean, we're about to come out to an election. There's going to be a lot of promises made about women's healthcare because it seems to be a topic that we

all care about fancy that like go figure I just want to see actual policies brought in that rebate female reproductive care and rebate things like endometriosis like when you have ovarian cysts that could

fucking rupture. Like it's just so fundamentally frustrating that we have, like you said, you've got to keep advocating. You can only do that if you've got the money to go and see a specialist. You can't do that if you're going through the public healthcare system. So what are you just supposed to wait until you're actually in a life or death situation? You gotta go. Like it's, it's just so backwards. And the psychological toll that that kind of thing takes is so heavy. Michelle from Shameless talks about that a lot. If

If anyone is interested, go and listen. Like I really loved listening, but she only has- Yeah, Glass was her beautiful podcast series that she created. She only has one ovary, but her talking about the same thing, like advocating for your own health. And also not even that, she talks really well about just putting up with the pain and being like, oh, cool, this is just it. Like, you know, you're having complete breakdowns at home. Like physically, you're so in pain that you're dropping what you're doing. You're falling to the floor.

And then when it passes, you're like, oh, cool. Let's just get on with life. Like that's just a part of it. Like, oh, what was that? That was weird. And then you just keep going. Yeah. I think the biggest thing for me at the moment is like, I can't have the kids like crawl up onto my lap or like when I pick them up, I'm so, I'm so wary of it. Or we were playing in the pool the other day and they're like kicking around and all I could think was like, don't kick me in the stomach. So like, I can't be so engaged with them because I'm so conscious of the fact that I'm in this discomfort. But yeah, I mean like, obviously I don't want to catastrophize it. It's not

the worst thing in the world, but it's definitely something that I'm very conscious of and I'm kind of in the midst of. And it's really shined a spotlight for me on just the massive gaps that there are for female healthcare around gynecological needs. I mean, you guys know that I've spoken about being diagnosed with PCOS, so polycystic ovarian syndrome, which somewhat ironically does not mean that you have polycystic ovaries. They're actually separate conditions. I do happen to have both. I've had this- Lucky you. Yeah, woo!

But like, even speaking of that, I remember getting the pelvic ultrasound that, that cost me more than $400 out of pocket. And I remember saying to them, I was like, okay, so what's the point of this? And they were like, we would just want to find out whether you have cystic ovaries. And I was like, okay, cool. You know, we've got this fork. Yes. No. What happens if it's a yes? What happens if it's a no? And they were like, nothing.

We just know. So I'm just spending $400 to know that I've got cystic ovaries and then we're not doing anything about that. There's nothing that we can do about that. I just want to make that clear. Okay, cool. There is no fucking research in any of these fields. And like I come from a medical research background. I know why there has not been medical research done on things that have to do with women. It kind of comes back to like,

results and reliability and all that kind of jazz. And an incredible misogynistic healthcare system. There's no reason. There's no reason now that we do not have research into women's problems. I feel like it is really an area that just so needs to be put into policy and into research and into grants and into funding. And we are going to do another episode. We get asked all the time in the Facebook group to do an episode on PCOS. We are going to do another one really soon. I think actually next week we will record it with Dr. Izzy Smith, who is

a wonderful endocrinologist. I'm going to jump on that one, obviously, because I have it. And so if you have any questions about that, please send them to us at Life Uncut DMs on Instagram, or you can message us on the Facebook group. And we'll try and include all of those so we can talk about, you know, more of the issues of the female reproductive health care system.

A conversation that's been playing out everywhere recently in the pop culture space and also across media has to do with White Lotus. Now, I will admit I am not up to date with all of the episodes, even though it was my vibe a couple of weeks ago. Britt, you are up to date. You vibed episode one and then you're like, I'm out. Oh, wow.

Fuck, man. The lack of the intro. She's been busy with assists. The lack of the intro music really got me. And I even said it. I was like, I'm vibing it. I haven't fully gotten on board yet. The music is in it. It's just not at the start. I know. I know. They really like bait and switch, didn't they? I'm coming back. Don't worry. I'm going to catch up. But I have been very much across a really interesting conversation that's played out recently. I've been recently across the penis. What?

Is what she's trying to say. I'm really across the prosthetic penis, which is what we want to talk about. Okay. So if you haven't seen this, Jason Isaac, he plays the character, the main character of Timothy Ratliff. The dad. He's the dad. And there is a really spoken about scene where he's talking to his children. He's also like kind of like off his face a bit. He's stoned or has taken medication, whatever it is. And he's wearing a bathrobe. And then

As he's chatting away to his kids, he moves his leg aside and there is a full frontal nude scene of a very big penis. Yeah. Flaccid, but like a slug. Yeah. It's a slug. It's there. It's thick. It's big. It's long. And the first thing you're going to think is, is that real? The first thing you're going to Google in that moment, I can guarantee it. Everyone stop down.

And was like, was that real? That wasn't my first thought, to be honest. My very first thought was not, is that a real penis? It looked very convincingly real. Like, I mean, the prosthetics in movies these days are absolutely top notch. It did look very real. I just looked at it and thought, like, I kind of got more taken aback by the shock factor, which I think is the intention of it.

because there's nothing, and we'll get into all of the discussions around it, there's nothing sexual about it. He accidentally flashes his children. It's an embarrassingly funny moment that's kind of just played off as like, oh, my God, ew, Dad. But the big questions have come off the back of the interviews that Jason Isaac have had recently because he's

People are no longer asking him about his character development or about the role in The White Lotus. The questions that he's receiving really pertain to whether or not the penis was a prosthetic. Now, he has responded and has had some very interesting reactions to his response around whether it is or isn't appropriate to ask a person if their genitalia in a movie is a prosthetic. This is an interview which has gone viral. This is from the CBS Mornings, which is a morning show in the States. Have a listen to this.

You know, you're making news because last week we got to see a full frontal and it was you. Yes. And I'm trying to figure out how to ask this without being impolite. Go ahead. Was that you or was that a prosthetic? Because we were debating it. Because we were debating it. A lot of people are debating it. It's all over the internet. And it's interesting because...

You didn't answer the question. Well, I'll tell you why. Because the best actress this year was Mikey Madison at the Oscars, and I don't see anybody discussing her vulva, which was on television all the time. I'm not talking about Swedish cars. So I think it's interesting that there's a double standard for men, but when women are naked, Margaret Qualley as well, in the substance, nobody would dream of talking to her about her genitalia or her nipples or any of those things. And so it's odd that there's a double standard when it comes to discussing. It's a bit of a dodge. It is a dodge because I don't think that people really want to know how the sausage is made.

Yeah, they do. Nice one. I kind of do. Is the guy who does the prosthetics the same guy who does the ears and the noses? Who's got fake ears? Not on the show, but in general. Who's the guy you call? I genuinely think it would be odd when there are characters and some of the women are naked in here. It would be odd if they were sitting here and you would never dream of discussing the genitalia. I think if prosthetics were standard...

We would ask a female actor. What is your obsession? Are you having... Very obsessed. It's not only obsessed. Are you having therapy? We've been talking about it all morning. You know, Mike White is a brilliant writer. He has the best series on television for a long time. And what is the obsession with penises? It's an odd thing. Because we rarely get to see him on television. I think we have to read a tease. Gail, you're watching the wrong television. Obviously.

The reason why I wanted to play that audio is because there has been so much backlash around his commentary because it's so important how something that's said verbally can take a very different context when it's actually written into an article. Like a statement has a different tone. You can hear from that that it is all said very much in a jokey light and jovial manner. However, the

the big question is raised, is there a double standard between male nudity and female nudity on TV? Yeah, definitely important to have context. We say that about everything because when you read that, when you read the quote, it hits different to when he says it. What I do think is funny and interesting before we...

I was about to say before we nutted out. What I do think is funny and interesting is that he has avoided answering if it's a prosthetic. And there is a part of me that does wonder, is that because you really want people to truly believe that you are the owner of a really large penis? But the funniest part is the kids in the show, the kid actors, Sam Nivola and Sarah Catherine Hook,

They already confirmed it was a prosthetic. So he's like, I will never confirm that. Like, it's not important. But they've come out and they've said, yeah, it absolutely was a prosthetic. He was dancing around going, it's my fake penis day. It's my fake dick day. He goes, it's fake dick scene day, everyone. Like with his prosthetic on, which I think is really funny that he's trying to keep the mystery alive. I know.

completely just out of. His comments have been very divisive online. There's been a lot of people that have been completely attacking him saying this is complete double standards. Women's bodies and nudity from the dawn of time are constantly spoken about. They're constantly asked about so many inappropriate questions in interviews on red carpets. So there's a lot of people that are really sort of crucifying him for his comment. But then there's a lot of people in agreeance saying, yeah, we shouldn't be asking these questions. Why is it important? And personally, I

I sit on the fence of both. I agree with him that it can be deemed an inappropriate question and it's probably not important to his character development, but I disagree with him saying that this is a double standard. What I do want to add is there is a level of importance in asking if it's a prosthetic.

for a bit of a deeper reason. Like there would be people- I must know if the penis is real or not. But there would be people watching that, that would feel completely insecure saying, okay, is this real? Is this the kind of thing that most men have? Am I so out of proportion? Am I so much smaller? And I know that this is a deeper level, but I'm trying to think of reasons why people want to know. I 100% wanted to know. I'll be the first person that's like,

I wonder if that's real or not. But that's just a curiosity off the back of things like sex life with Adam Demos. Remember the Australian actor that got his penis out and it was ginormous. And everyone was like,

We need to know if bro's penis is real. Like, is this what other people are playing with? Look, it is an interesting take on it though. And there is truth to what he says. The reality is if you saw a woman nude on TV, you would never respond like her boobs were ginormous. We wouldn't speak about it in the same way. I was just thinking, do you remember Blurred Lines with Emily Ratatowski? That's how she kind of got thrust into the spotlight. That was brilliant.

pretty much the headline. Was that her boobs were ginormous? Yeah. And again, the question of like, are they real or not was probably the number one question in pop culture news that month.

month, I would say. I guess the thing is, is that often there is a, it's seen as more inappropriate. Like I think that we've started to really like identify the dialogue around how we've spoken about women's bodies for so long. But the thing is, is I do think there's a double standard, but I don't think the double standard is around the questioning of whether it is or isn't a prosthetic. I think the double standard is the fact that

We are so desensitized to seeing female bodies on TV. It has been a staple of Hollywood for forever to show female breasts, to show backsides, to show hyper-sexualized female nudity. If anything, and we were discussing it,

Like female nudity has been used as a way of making movies and films and TV series more interesting. And one of the examples that I came across was like Sopranos, for example, the dialogue between the characters may not have been particularly interesting at the time, but the conversation that they were having played out in a strip club and behind the characters, there's like naked women walking around and it instantly creates a secondary dimension.

The thing is, though, we are very unfamiliar with seeing full penises on TV. Like it's a type of nudity that we've not had as much exposure to. So when you do see a giant penis flapping around in a way that's not supposed to be in a sex scene, but it's just in casual nudity, I do think that there's this incredible shock element to it. And we're all like, that was a penis.

Haven't seen one of those on TV for a while. And I guess because it's shown so casually, it also makes it okay to ask the question casually. And that's what I think these reporters are doing when they're asking whether it's a prosthetic or not. It's because the nudity seems so...

non-sexual and it seems so accessible that I feel like it makes it okay to ask the question. Not that it is or it isn't, but I think that that's where it kind of the lines are blurred a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. And a reason a lot of people are getting so upset online and the commentary is so negative around it is because his statement wasn't actually even accurate. Like his defense to his statement wasn't true. For example,

Mikey Madison in Enora. He's like, her vulva was out everywhere on screen. No one asked about that. That's incorrect. Her vulva was never actually out. There were no full frontal vulva shots. Margaret Qualley, substance, full frontal scene. He's like, no one's asking about her if she had prosthetics. In fact, they did. Yeah, she's come out widely spoken about the fact that her breasts were prosthetics in that movie. To fit the scene, she didn't have the right breasts to portray a young Demi Moore. And she was like, hey, there's no magic pill for having big breasts.

plump voluptuous young breasts. So yeah, they made them for me. So I think a lot of people are kicking off online because of that as well. So maybe if it didn't have that extra level of misinformation attached to the quote, people wouldn't quite be upset. Maybe if he said, hey, would you ask a woman this? The response might not have been so aggressive online.

Yeah, I definitely think that it was a baited response where women who have been objectified for so long in so many different ways, where there's been so many inappropriate lines of questioning that have come from journalists and reporters over the years, whether it's specifically around genitalia or it's around any other facet of a female's life. Nudity? Wait. Totally. We've seen it all happen. And so using that as a comparison to try and

identify an unequal standard, I think is a real, like it's a mute point. One of the other examples, which I found really fascinating, Margot Robbie, who was in Wolf of Wall Street, she had a full frontal nude. She also had a side nude. She had lots of nudes in that movie. It was all...

very much willingly like there's actually she's come out and spoken about the very full frontal nude and she said that it was her who fought to have that scene in the movie because she felt as though the character required not to have this like censored version of nudity because it just didn't make sense for her and her level of confidence and how she used sex as a way of

getting what she wanted or her sexual, I shouldn't say sex, but her sexuality to get what she wanted. There's a really interesting interview that happened actually with our own Fitzy and Whipper here in Australia. And the question was asked, I've heard a lot of time that it's quite hard to find women with real breasts and pubic hair when you're doing a period piece. Now, I know that that question in and of itself is not as direct as asking if something's

a prosthetic, but asking a woman who has appeared completely nude and clearly is doing a period piece, the only way to extrapolate that is to ask the question of, is it real breasts? And were you wearing, you know, is that your real pubic hair? Margot Robbie came out and her response to that was, I'm not sure that it would be difficult to find someone with real breasts. I don't think that that's an issue at all. However,

I remember on Wolf of Wall Street, there was an entire Merkin room, a whole room full of Merkins. Now, for anyone who doesn't know, a Merkin is a prosthetic piece of pubic hair that actresses can wear. So if you've been lasered, you can then put pubic hair on. I mean, when has it ever been appropriate to ask a woman about their pubic hair and how their pubic hair shows up in a period drama? But the thing is, this is just another example of how this line of questioning is something that is not

unfamiliar to women. I think if you're going to do a nude scene in a movie and it's going to be shocking and it's going to be gripping, you almost have to expect that there will be questions about it because people are so interested in it. I disagree slightly with the pubic hair question because I think that it's a period piece. So I understand it's a general question of curiosity.

The breast part I think was inappropriate. But I think asking, hey, what happens now? So many women are waxed and lasered and there was a real trend against pubic hair. But period dramas really try to stay true to the time in terms of tattoos, underarm hair, body hair, ear piercings. So I think that the way they framed that question was okay. If they asked her directly, hey, like are you lasered or did you wear fake pubic hair, I'd be more offended. But for me, I sort of let that one slide because it was a period piece because

if she was just doing a normal nude scene or something and people are saying, hey, did you wear like

a fake vagina. Like, I think that that is inappropriate. In terms of him saying, like, you wouldn't be asking about someone else's genitalia in a movie. I think that's where he has gone wrong. Well, it just feels very out of touch. It just feels a little bit out of touch. Well, not a little bit. It feels a lot out of touch because it's literally what we face and you don't have to be a public figure to be facing this. And I think that's the important thing too. It seems like a little bit of a false victimhood, you know, like, oh, you would never ask a woman about this. It's like, actually, I'm

Women get asked about much harsher and worse things all the time. But, Laura, something I thought was really interesting that you brought up was the different ways in which nudity is shown on our screens. And I was trying to think of like, oh, yeah, because I'm

When I think about the female nudity that we have seen scenes of, and I'm particularly thinking about Bridgerton because it's kind of top of mind for me at the moment. Whenever female nudity is shown in those scenes, and there's male nudity as well, like we see some bums and I think we see parts of penises. Is that the plural? Penis. Penises.

It's always done in a way that's quite romantic or seductive or it's adding to like the romanticism of the scene. Whereas in White Lotus, anything that Mike White kind of touches seems to be really different. Well, female nudity I find is very much catered to the male gaze. And I think if you think of any movie that you've seen recently or any nude scene, there's

that has a female in it, normally it is a type of female. It is a conventionally beautiful, conventionally perfect female nude. Perfect breasts, perfect vulva, perfect butt. Like you don't need to even worry about the level of nudity because nothing's hanging out to see it. Do you know what I mean? Oh, I disagree slightly, probably 95% of the time. But, I mean, Nicola Coughlin, who was from Bridgerton, who did her nude scene –

And she was constantly trolled and asked about that, like how brave you are and how did you do that being the weight that you are? She got a lot of pushback and she was like, hey, I'm a beautiful woman. I love how I look and I'm confident. She had some line about having perfect tits, which is really funny. The thing is you're always going to be able to find out.

liars. But what I'm talking about is the majority example. And I absolutely know that there will be, I'm sure that if you go back through the Rolodex of things that you've seen, you might have one reference to an old woman who was naked or one reference to a larger woman who was naked. Like I'm sure that there are references, but the majority of female nudity on our screens are perfect nudity. It's the same type of sexualized nudity that we see across all media. The thing that's different about White Lotus and something that I find

particularly entertaining is that the nudity that is being shown isn't nudity that's created for men to watch and enjoy. The nudity that we're seeing almost every single scene, it's been like a dude casually getting his penis out. Or if you remember in the very first season of White Lotus, one of the main characters' balls were swollen. And so you saw this like very comical shot of his

swollen testicles. In the second series, there is a scene where Theo James, he's wearing a prosthetic, which he described as being stolen off a donkey. It was so big. Now, he came out and said he didn't choose it. It was chosen for him. He's like not mad about it. Yeah, he's not. I'm sure he was having a great time. They forced me to wear my donkey penis. There was a scene where he was just like casually walking around in the bathroom and Aubrey Plaza was in the front of the kind of the foreground of that scene. And like this is what I mean. It's like...

male nudity is not something that is obscure to White Lotus. There are so many very confronting gay male sex scenes, which are only confronting because we don't see it play out on pop culture TV spaces. So when you see a man in a vulnerable position, I mean, I don't know if you guys remember, but in season one, the hotel manager was getting rooted from behind whilst also giving a blowjob when they were

all high on mushrooms or whatever it was that they'd taken. Like these are scenes that feel particularly intimate, but we are absolutely not used to seeing them play out on a series like this. So there is this like,

This unusual jarring level of uncomfortableness that comes with exposure to something that we just don't normally see. But we are so comfortable with female nudity in heterosexual sex scenes. Mike Wyatt has come out and said that he intentionally chooses to do male nudity to try and balance the level of female nudity that has been on the screen since he grew up. But I'm also going to call a little bit of bullshit on that.

It would be remiss to say that he does not include these scenes for shock value. This is what people talk about. These are the trending topics of White Lotus. If you can Google the most Google things about White Lotus, it all has to do with the shocking sex scenes. And there's a spoiler here. If you want to turn off right now, you might not have seen it yet.

But one of the examples is, and what is about to play out on the rest of the season, is he has included more nudity, but also incest scenes. So the two brothers end up hooking up.

This is what everyone is talking about at the moment. They're talking about cool. What's the purpose of this? Like what is the purpose of not only having incest because there's two brothers and a sister? And I think a lot of people are led to believe in the early days that maybe the sister and brother were going to hook up, which is obviously a level of incest. But he's taken it a step further and he's included gay incest. And this is...

the currently now divisive topic. It's almost steering away from the prosthetic penis double standards conversation and people are now like, okay, why have you included that? It's also to shock. It's also to have people talking about and push these boundaries on TV that we haven't seen. But Mike White has said...

bear with me, there is a reason I have included it and it will come full circle at the end of the series. So he's almost like baiting us now to say, hey, okay, cool, we really need to stick around to see why the gay incest scene was included. Which is interesting because also it's the same premise of season two where the scene between Leo Woodall and the, I don't know the guy's name, I can't remember. Well, the fake uncle, it alluded to incest but also that scene itself had –

so much weight in the storyline of where the actual context of that season went to. Yeah. So there might be some sort of twist with the gay brothers. I don't know. Maybe they're not brothers at all. That's what I think. I think maybe, and then maybe they know they're not and maybe it's not incest and it's just gay relationship. I don't know where it's going to go, but I'm hooked. I want to see it. Who knows? Look, I think like to kind of round this one out,

Very interestingly to me is the backlash that this has received, that his commentary has received. And I think overarchingly women are angry about and women feel angry about the types of line of questioning that so many female celebrities have received in every aspect for so long.

But I do think it makes you ask the question. And for me, I'm like, maybe it's inappropriate across the board. Maybe the way that we speak about male genitalia, even though, yes, there may be a rebalancing and we don't seem to feel as guilty about, you know, we've made jokes even in this conversation about like his penis was huge or this or that.

I do think that there are levels which seem to be more acceptable when you speak about a male nude versus a female. And we do seem to be okay with objectifying men in that way. And we have more of a strong stance when women are objectified. And the reason for that is purely because women have been victims of it for so long and are victims. And we don't see men as victims at all. But it's also because it has different repercussions. And I remember...

a young Helen Mirren being asked, aren't you worried now that you won't be taken seriously because you have nude scenes?

when has a man ever been asked that there is no way any of these actors barry from saltburn who's nude the whole time has sex with a grave there's no way he got applauded for his acting that's true he fucked the dirt of a grave and no one said are you worried about how this might impact your career are you worried you're not going to be taken seriously now no one but women constantly ask that if they're like oh you are you diminishing your career now is your career on ice because you're nude like it just means we're not taking it seriously the only thing that i

I think is a bit weird is that we're talking about this as though they're not using prosthetics. Like it's still weird to me that for us to have a dick on screen that we are like, oh wow, that's shocking and that's interesting. It has to be a fake one. Well,

Well, I think it pertains to size, right? And part of that is I don't have the answer to this, so it's kind of why I'm not sure about how to kind of go deep on it, lol. But that's because it is unusual to me that every single penis that has appeared in The White Lotus has been obnoxiously large and there isn't any sort of reference thus far of a small penis on screen. And is it because an actor doesn't want to appear to be

be able to have a small penis. If they were to have a small penis, would it be a small prosthetic penis? So then they could easily say, oh no, that was a prosthetic and cover themselves. I don't know about what's the implication of having only big dicks on our screen. I mean, I think I know what it is. And it's because as a society, we associate certain personality characteristics with genitalia. Like we associate big dick energy. It's literally the label of it. We associate certain things about that penis.

penis with a character. And so it's, I don't think it's a mistake that they would be using them. It could be because the actors don't want to have their own genitals on screen, which I would respect. Fair enough. Regardless of gender. Because then you can almost say I wasn't actually nude. Yeah. It's a protection, you know. But I also think too,

It comes down to the stigma that's still attached to having a small penis. And that is also just something that society puts on people, which this is not helping the situation by giving people donkey penises, not helping people. But Barry didn't have a prosthetic. That was all his. He was like...

Who's Barry? From Saltburn. They just fucked the grave. Oh, he didn't have, that was real. It was all him, baby. Yeah, he openly talks about it. He's like, it was all me. I was uncomfortable for the first scene and I loved it. Did loads of retakes. Did loads of dancing around. He got really comfortable. That's funny. It's a really interesting discussion. I do wonder if in 10 years, you know how you said before about how we're- I'm Googling now.

How we're kind of applauding Nicola Coughlin on Bridgerton for having her less than, you know, societally acceptable, perfect breasts on screen. Maybe we're just behind of that for men. Maybe it's going to be another couple of years, maybe a decade until they're okay having their less than donkey dicks on screen.

Anyway, guys, let's get to your accidentally unfiltered. All right. Accidentally unfiltered. This is a very funny, quite an innocent one, which I think is probably suitable after the conversation we've just had. So my sister took me to get my very first fake tan. I was young, maybe about 17 at the time. We walked in and the lady gave me a pair of disposable undies. It was a G-string and little naive me was pretty unfamiliar with G-strings, having never owned a pair.

I was a full, brief girly. I put it on. The lady came in. She walked in, gave me a little look up and down and just started turning. Didn't say anything. Fast forward to when my sister and I were home and I was walking around naked and my sister gasped and broke out laughing when she saw a really thin line of white skin up my front and the big triangle of white skin on my butt. I put the g-string on back to front. She had one tiny white line up the landing strip. Bless her. Good.

You can wear those tiny bikinis that everyone's getting around in Bondi Beach. Do you think the tanning lady should have said something or is it better to not say something and just said? No, you don't say anything because you can go into a tanning booth nude. You know, you don't have to. If you want to wear that G-string back to front upside down on your head, go nuts. Like it doesn't matter. You want to put it over your face?

I always wear like the disposable undies when I go into a tanning booth, but I have friends who go in nude. I go nude. But you have to touch your knees. Like you've got to bend down so they do under your bum. I've never touched. Laura, I have never touched my knees in a fake tan. So they don't do under your ass cheeks? Do they tell you to bend over and pick up the soap? Yeah, bend over and cough. Yeah.

No, what they do is. Lean forward. You stay upright and you just bend like an inch and then down. You don't bend over. You don't touch your knees. You don't. I need to check where I'm going. Where are you going?

I got told to bend forward. Were you in prison? Not bend my knees. I got fingered at the same time. It was great. And they filmed it. So weird. They said it was for security purposes. Join my OnlyFans account, guys. Wow. Don't go to where Laura goes. They do a fantastic thorough tan. They really do. It's been a while, though. It's been a while. Anyway, guys. Look, it's time to suck. That was so good.

She's like, yeah, it's so funny when they make you bend over. We're like, what? Touch your knees. What? That's like the time when Keisha, you were talking about getting waxed. Laser, yeah. Britt was horrified that you were on your back. I am still horrified that there's not a uniform way. I don't know why there's not a uniform way to do spray tans. I do not know why there's not a uniform way to laser your bum. I'm sorry. I still find it so funny that you are on your back and you have to

roll back and hold your legs up to your chest. It's so funny. It seems like a really smart way to access your entire butt crack. Someone commented on the video and they said that they were asked to do like a baby cradle. You know that where babies hold their legs? I think people are taking the piss. It's a yoga move. Whoever is that laser person is absolutely having a go. It's the same place you get your tan.

All right. It's time for suck and sweet. I'm going to kick it off because I have quick ones. My suck for this week is actually, I don't really have a suck. Finding out that you're not supposed to bend over. No, my suck is, I mean, I've already spoken about it. It's definitely got to be my ovarian cyst. Like that's like high up on the sucking of the sucks at the moment. But my sweet for the week

It's a really great one actually for me. So many of you guys have written to me about after I spoke about Lola having a really, really hard time at daycare and she has been. It's been months now and it has just been this ongoing battle for her and for us. However, we made a decision recently to send her to school next year. So that was a big one for us because we're going to hold her back another year to keep a one-year gap between Marley and Lola. But the reason why we decided to send her to school next year is because that will mean that she gets to grow up

a class. So she'll no longer be in like the toddler baby room of daycare. And she'll go up into like the big kid room. And I kind of started to suspect that a lot of her upset and her behavior changes and her like

absolutely struggling at daycare was simply because she felt as though she was in a room with children that weren't aligned with where she was at. Like she wants to be a big kid. She doesn't want to be treated like she's a toddler. And so we told her that. We gave her the option. We said, you know, how would you feel about starting school next year? And if you were to start school, it means that you get to go up into, I think they call it the wombat's room. Yeah.

And she was so fucking excited. And yesterday she had her first day up there and she has not had one day this year where she's come home stoked from daycare. And she came home and she was like, she was like, I love it so much, mommy. She's like, I can't wait to go to school.

So I hope that I'm not like, you know, I'm not prematurely celebrating, but I think that this was like a really, really good move for her. I think she just needed us to let go of the reins a little bit and for her to feel like she's not the baby of the family, but she has like her own exciting big things to work towards. And I think the reason for that is because

At her old daycare, she would have moved up into the big room, whereas at this new daycare, Marley got to go to big school and then she felt like she kind of… Got left behind. She got left behind, yeah, and I don't think we'd really thought about that. She's also used to being around older kids because Marley's older than her, her cousins are older than her, you know. Totally. So I'm going to have two kids in school next year, which is fucking wild. This is what I just thought about. It's so funny that you were like, Marley is a genius. I'm going to hold her back a year. Lola's working on her alphabet, but I'm going to send her a year earlier.

Because what I've realised is that the spectrum of kids in kindergarten is vast. Like there are so many kids that are in kindy that are just turning five now. So they were four. So I'm like, mate, Lola will be fine. She'll be smack in the middle. She's a resilient little cookie. She'll figure it out. I am going to do a you. I don't have a suck this week. Oh.

Ah, look at us living our best lives. I really loved it and I thought I had a moment where I was like, wow, I'm really grateful for my life at the moment. I really loved the F1. I had a great weekend with Keish. I don't include Laura in that because we actually barely saw each other because you are on the Ferris wheel just stuck on round and round and round.

You don't have to include me in your fantastic weekend, but I also had a fantastic weekend there. It was really great. Yeah. Just different. And my suite would be around the F1 and we didn't mention it earlier. I did mention it on my Instagram, but Keisha and I got this incredible experience. So we were lucky enough to meet the boss of Red Bull Australia and Red Bull is one of the biggest...

driving forces of the F1. And just so you guys know, I didn't know it was the boss and that might come into the story later. I wasn't going to be clear, but Keisha definitely did not know he was the boss. I said things that you shouldn't say. But he, he was like, Hey, do you want to go into the garage where, you know, where it's like where they drive in and quickly get their tire changes and everything. And the whole team works on it. They're talking about,

And we were like, yeah. So we got to go in and literally be in the thick of it and watch it happen. We got to put the headphones on and we got to listen to them talk to each other as he's racing. Then he would come back in. It was Max who was racing at the time. Max Verstappen. Yeah. He's like four times world champion. And that was a moment where I was like,

God, this is just such a cool once in a lifetime experience. And I was so in it. It's literally like you cannot buy that experience. No, you can't. And you can't take photos. You can't do videos in there. You just have to really be in it and be present. And it was really cool. So I don't have anything to flex about it. I don't have anything to show for it, but I have the memories that are

I mean, I'll have for a lifetime. Yeah. And that's kind of where things got a little awkward. As we were leaving, we were talking to the people who worked for Rebel and Britt and I were both like, oh my God, that was so cool. Like what an unreal experience. I asked how much it was. Britt was like, can you buy tickets to do that? Like, you know, and how much would it be to actually have that experience? We were just so overwhelmed with how cool it was. Well, because I wanted to take my dad. So I was like, oh God, I wonder how much this would be. So.

So Britt asked this question to the guy that we were speaking with who worked for Red Bull. And he was like, no, you know, it's a money can't buy experience. You know, it's kind of like it's our discretion, blah, blah, blah. And I lean over and I'm like, oh, look, I'm sure there's a number. Wink, wink. I'm sure there's a price that someone could pay. And Britt kind of went, ah, yeah, yeah. And we kept walking and about 100 meters down the road, Britt goes, Keisha, do you know that that was like the head of Red Bull?

I accidentally just implied, like, I'm sure you could be bought. What?

And he's like, no, no, you can't. She's like, wink, wink. And I'm like, Keisha, stop it. I was like, stop. Don't take me anywhere. I was so embarrassing. So, yeah, that was my no suck and I had a really amazing suite. That's me. Well, guys, that is it from us today. If you have any questions for Ask Uncut, slide on into the DMs at Life Uncut Podcast. Go and join the discussion at our Life Uncut discussion group, which is on Facebook. It's where all the good stuff goes down. And leave us a review if you feel so inclined. But don't leave it if it's going to be bad because I don't want to hear it. Do you know one?

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