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Richard Seymour on Luigi Mangione

2024/12/23
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Callum: 提问者提出,美国联合健康CEO Brian Thompson的暗杀事件以及对被告Luigi Mangione的民众支持,反映了美国的阶级斗争和阶级意识,并可以与历史上其他地区和时期将暗杀作为常见政治策略的现象进行比较。 Richard Seymour: Richard Seymour认为Luigi Mangione事件并非简单的刑事案件,而是反映了美国社会深层次的问题。由于美国政治制度的严重瘫痪,有效的政治改革几乎不可能实现,这导致了类似“社会强盗”式的反抗出现。这种现象并非革命性的,而是一种前政治的、非革命性的抗议形式,表明社会存在着尚未找到解决方法的深层次问题。这与Eric Hobsbawm对社会强盗的描述相符,即在传统农村社会中,社会强盗作为穷人的英雄出现,虽然被国家视为罪犯,但却受到民众的保护。 这体现了Ernst Bloch所说的“活着的昨日”,即美国社会在制度和政治上陷入了瘫痪,无法通过有效的途径解决问题,因此只能通过这种非正规的方式表达不满。

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So Richard, our first question comes from Callum, who says, What might the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and popular support for the accused Luigi Mangione tell us about the class struggle and class consciousness in the United States? What parallels might be drawn to other periods and places where assassination was a common political tactic, sometimes symptomatic of a lack of political organisation?

You know, it's funny, this question overlaps with something that I wrote recently about Eric Hobsbawm's concept of the social bandit, which I think this is probably what the questioner is actually getting at. So Hobsbawm is describing periods in rural traditional life

where these bandit heroes emerge. Their enemies are the foes of the poor, traditionally. They're regarded as criminal by the state, but not by the people. So to that extent, the people protect them. And the critical point that Hobsbawm makes is that the social bandit is a kind of pre-political, non-revolutionary form of protest before people really discover more effective ways of resisting.

So a society that calls the social bandit into existence clearly has problems that it doesn't yet know how to solve. And so then the question is, you know, why should it be that the United States, an advanced capitalist society, should call into being this social type?

It's redolent of what Ernst Bloch calls the living yesterday. You know, there's a sense in which the United States is so paralyzed as a country, institutionally and politically paralyzed, that it's almost impossible to get any meaningful and effective political reform achieved.

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