这场对决不仅仅是两位天才创作者之间的创作对决,还涉及嘻哈文化、性别、种族、艺术创作与商业成功之间的大讨论。歌词中出现了家暴、恋童等指控,引发了关于嘻哈文化内生厌女倾向的讨论。
Drake擅长将流行音乐元素融入说唱,歌曲节奏感强,适合夜店和健身房播放。而Kendrick Lamar的音乐更具实验性,歌词深度丰富,常涉及种族、社会运动、贫困等议题,专辑具有连贯性,像一部电影或小说。
Kendrick Lamar的音乐被视为理解美国种族和社会问题的文本,尤其是他的专辑《To Pimp a Butterfly》。他的歌词不仅画面感强,还包含对自我、偶像和社会的深刻反思,许多听众会仔细阅读歌词,分析其中的隐喻和历史典故。
Drake是一个全球化的流行音乐明星,擅长迎合大众口味,歌曲风格多样,尤其擅长情歌和派对歌曲。他在嘻哈文化中打破了传统黑帮形象,成为多元化的代表,但也因此受到一些资深嘻哈粉丝的批评。
Kendrick Lamar的音乐不仅传统,还具有颠覆性。他的歌词涉及贫困、暴力、种族问题,但同时也表现出脆弱和需要修复的一面,打破了传统嘻哈中“强硬”的形象。他的音乐实验性强,常融入不同元素,如母亲的语音留言和电视讲话。
对决从最初的表演性互怼升级为涉及家庭和个人隐私的攻击。Drake指控Kendrick家暴,而Kendrick则回击Drake的家庭成员,指控其恋童癖和性侵犯行为。这些指控使得对决变得更加激烈和私人化。
《Not Like Us》节奏性强,歌词指控Drake对嘻哈文化的利用,称其为“殖民者”。这首歌在六月节(Juneteenth)当天发布,象征着黑人文化的庆祝,引发了广泛的二次创作和讨论,成为今年夏天的热门歌曲。
这场对决引发了关于嘻哈文化中性别、种族和商业化的广泛讨论。歌词中的家暴和恋童指控使得嘻哈文化的厌女倾向成为焦点,同时也暴露了嘻哈文化中对女性和儿童创伤的漠视。
女性音乐人如Charli XCX和Lorde通过直接对话和合作来解决矛盾,而不是通过公开的diss战。她们意识到行业将她们作为竞争对象,选择不参与这种游戏,而是通过合作来表达对行业的反抗。
这场对决反映了流行音乐与艺术传统之间的冲突,以及嘻哈文化中对女性和儿童创伤的漠视。两位艺术家虽然站在保护女性的道德制高点上,但实际上却将女性和儿童作为攻击对方的工具,暴露了嘻哈文化中的厌女倾向。
【聊了什么The What】
纠结了一个夏天,我们还是决定聊一聊Drake和Kendrick的Rap Beef(说唱对决)。对于在国内长大的小杨和一芳来说,来到美国之后面对着从“从未考虑过种族“到迷迷糊糊开始思考自己身份的漫长成长过程。而这个成长过程中很重要的文本就是说唱音乐——更具体地说,是Kendrick Lamar的音乐。 这场Rap Beef不仅仅是两个天才创作者之间争夺影响力的创作对决,还掀起了遍布各个角落的涉及嘻哈文化、性别、种族、艺术创作与商业成功之间的大讨论。在这场rap battle中,多首音乐被制作出来,随着battle的火力程度升级,家暴、恋童等指控成为歌词里面乱飞的字母武器。 这些男性rappers们在个人恩怨中提出的未经证实的指控,是在保护真实的女性,还是名人男性之间相互利用对方对于失去名利的恐惧?这些看似正义的歌词其实与受伤的女性无关?嘻哈音乐是否有内生的厌女倾向,还是它只是反映了手握资源的人们对女性困境的不为所动?
As a pop culture podcast, we can’t not talk about one of the biggest cultural moments in hip hop (and beyond): the infamous rap battle between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. But for us here at Cyberpink, dissecting this rap beef goes further than just chronologically listing out who dropped what song when, or the cultural significance of “Not Like Us.” When we first experienced racialization as young immigrants, Kendrick’s profound lyrics were part of the canonical texts we read to understand race and identity in the U.S. Kendrick vs. Drake goes beyond two rappers showing off their creative chops -- it started a whole conversation around how we should consume and evaluate hip hop culture. As insults were traded and the battle escalated, accusations of domestic violence and pedophilia became lyrical weapons casually thrown around; no women or child was spared as partners, sons, daughters, and parents got dragged into the mix. Are these unverified accusations meant to protect real women, or are the two rap stars using each other’s fragile ego and fear of losing fame or wealth for their own gain. What are they gaining -- clout or their name in history as the winner? And at what cost -- women who get caught in the crossfire and further extending hip-hop’s inherent misogynistic tendencies? Is this whole showdown an indication that those with resources are indifferent to women's plight? It’s our job as culture consumers to ask these tough questions. Tune in for our discussion.
【时间轴 The When】
- 00:00:39) Drake与Kendrick Lamar的说唱对决的前因后果
- 00:04:57) Drake: 来自加拿大的混血童星和“说唱界变色龙”
- 00:12:44) Kendrick Lamar: 来自康普顿底层的声音,rap即诗歌,也是黑人文化的守护者
- 00:18:05) 这场battle开始来真的: 音乐创作中开始出现大量个人攻击,战情升级
- 00:25:56) "Family Matters"与"Meet the Grahams": 当家庭成为歌词中的战场
- 00:31:57) "Not Like Us"和说唱音乐的性别困境
- 00:41:06) 女艺术家们如何battle: Charli XCX和Lorde的和解
- 01:00:10) 怎么办,我最爱的音乐人是一个艺术怪物
- 00:00:39) Drake vs. Kendrick: how the rap battle started
- 00:04:57) Drake: A biracial child star from Canada and too much of a chameleon?
- 00:12:44) Kendrick Lamar: A voice from Compton, rap as poetry, and guardian of Black culture
- 00:18:05) The battle gets real: Music creations start to include numerous personal attacks, escalating tensions
- 00:25:56) "Family Matters" and "Meet the Grahams": When family becomes a battlefield in lyrics
- 00:31:57) "Not Like Us" and hiphop culture’s gender problem
- 00:41:06) Female artists beef differently: The reconciliation between Charli XCX and Lorde
- 01:00:10) What if your favorite artist is an art monster
【拓展链接 The Links】
Survivor Trauma Cannot Be Treated as Just Another Bar in a Rap Battle)
Drake and Kendrick Lamar Is the Last Great Rap Beef. Thank God.)
Every Drake-Related Easter Egg In Kendrick Lamar’s “Not Like Us” Music Video)
【结尾音乐 The Song】 Women by Little Simz
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