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Sunil Amrith And John Vaillant On The Burning Earth

2024/12/16
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Sunil Amrith: 本书从全球南方和亚洲视角出发,探讨了人类活动对环境的影响,以及不同文化背景下对环境的认知和实践。作者认为,对资源的零和博弈思想、对‘荒地’概念的误用以及对短期利润的追求,是导致环境破坏的重要因素。同时,作者也指出,在应对气候变化方面,一些国家和地区正在积极探索新的方法,例如孟加拉国在减轻飓风灾害和应对气候移民方面的努力。 John Vaillant: 本书与以往宏大历史叙事不同,它强调了从全球北方和北大西洋世界之外的视角看待环境问题的重要性。作者认为,‘排放是最终的殖民行为’,因为它对环境的影响是不平等的,并且这种影响主要体现在那些对排放贡献最少的人身上。同时,作者也探讨了化石燃料带来的‘遗忘’效应,即人类不再受制于自然规律,并认为这种遗忘最终会导致灾难。 John Vaillant: 作者认为,在加拿大,土著居民对土地主权的恢复为环境保护提供了新的机遇。通过与土著居民合作,可以重新认识和恢复传统的土地管理方式,例如通过有计划的焚烧来改善森林生态。

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Why did Sunil Amrith write 'The Burning Earth' from a vantage point outside the global North?

Sunil Amrith wrote 'The Burning Earth' from a vantage point outside the global North to provide a more global and inclusive perspective on environmental history. His background in India and Southeast Asia allowed him to highlight elements of the story that might look different when viewed from Asian and global South perspectives.

How did Sunil Amrith's urban upbringing in Singapore influence his approach to environmental history?

Sunil Amrith's urban upbringing in Singapore, a city that grew rapidly and relied heavily on technology, initially made him skeptical of environmental concerns. His interest in environmental history grew from a starting point of political questions about justice, equality, and rights, and he later integrated these concerns as he realized the inseparability of environmental and social issues.

Why does Sunil Amrith believe that environmental concerns are inseparable from political rights and social justice?

Sunil Amrith believes that environmental concerns are inseparable from political rights and social justice because he observed how environmental risks and disasters are often the result of political and economic decisions. The catastrophic flooding in cities like Yangon, Bangkok, and Mumbai in the early 2010s highlighted the interconnectedness of these issues.

What historical patterns does Sunil Amrith see echoing in the current moment of climate change?

Sunil Amrith sees historical patterns of resource conflict, such as water wars and grain conflicts, echoing in the current moment of climate change. He also notes the persistence of language and imagery that reflect an exclusivist view of resource security, similar to earlier periods.

How does the concept of 'wastelands' relate to the colonization and exploitation of land?

The concept of 'wastelands' is a medieval notion that certain lands are being wasted because they are not being cultivated. This idea has been used to justify the displacement of indigenous peoples and the exploitation of land for agricultural or economic purposes, both in Europe and in colonized regions.

Why is the island of Madeira considered an early example of boom and bust in the context of environmental history?

The island of Madeira is considered an early example of boom and bust in environmental history because it saw rapid deforestation and the establishment of sugar cane plantations, which were tilled by slave labor. This focus on maximizing quick profits for distant investors led to the exhaustion of the land and a constant moving of the frontier to new areas.

Why does Sunil Amrith suggest that emissions are the ultimate act of colonization?

Sunil Amrith suggests that emissions are the ultimate act of colonization because they disproportionately affect those who have contributed the least to those emissions. The cumulative effects of emissions colonize the future, impacting the most vulnerable populations and regions.

How does the concept of 'forgetting' play a role in the environmental challenges we face today?

The concept of 'forgetting' plays a role in environmental challenges because it allows us to ignore the consequences of our actions and the interdependence with nature. Technologies like air conditioning and fossil fuels enable us to forget the natural systems we depend on, leading to a disconnection from the environment and a failure to address long-term sustainability.

What historical document does Sunil Amrith compare modern climate agreements to, and why?

Sunil Amrith compares modern climate agreements like the Rio Earth Summit, Kyoto Protocol, and Paris Agreement to the Charter of the Forest. While the Charter of the Forest was a legally enforceable document that recognized people's dependence on nature, modern climate agreements often lack enforceability, which is a significant challenge in addressing climate change.

What does Sunil Amrith see as a cause for optimism in the face of climate change?

Sunil Amrith sees the environmental movement as a cause for optimism, despite setbacks. He believes that the movement mobilizes more affiliation and energy than any other movement globally. He also sees progress in terms of mobilization, consciousness, and political action, though these are generational processes and will take time.

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5x15 is delighted to announce a special online event with two award-winning authors, the acclaimed Yale professor Sunil Amrith, and John Vaillant, author of Fire Weather, which won the Baillie Gifford Prize for Non-Fiction in 2023. They will be in conversation about Amrith's new book The Burning Earth, a paradigm-shifting survey of how human history has reshaped the planet over the last 500 years.

Humans have always searched for freedom. Ever since innovations in agriculture vastly expanded production of the staples of food energy, our remarkable achievements in reshaping nature have brought about an overwhelming expansion in the life chances of billions of people.

Yet every technological innovation has also empowered humans to exploit each other and the planet with fierce brutality, making the history of the environment inextricably linked to the histories of Empire, genocide, eco-cide and war.

As the threat of climate change becomes ever clearer, join us for an important conversation with two of the leading authors in this field. They will discuss how we have got to where we are now, and what we must do to be better citizens of the planet in the future.

Praise for The Burning Earth

'The Burning Earth is a marvelously erudite and wide-ranging account of the steadily accelerating ecological transformation of the planet since the twelfth century. An indispensable contribution to both environmental and global history.’- AMITAV GHOSH

'The Burning Earth, which is nothing short of a history of the world, is as beautiful as it is indispensable, as breathtaking as it is devastating. It answers questions most of us have been too daft even to ask. It will set you on fire.'- JILL LEPORE

Sunil Amrith is the Renu and Anand Dhawan Professor of History and professor in the School of the Environment at Yale University. He is the author of four books, and a recipient of multiple awards including a MacArthur “Genius” fellowship and the 2024 Fukuoka Prize for outstanding achievements in the field of Asian studies. He grew up in Singapore and lives in Connecticut.

John Vaillant is the international bestselling author of The Tiger: A True Story of Vengeance and Survival and The Golden Spruce: A True Story of Myth, Madness, and Greed. He has written for, among others, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, National Geographic and the Guardian. His latest book, Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World, is a page-turning account of a brutal urban wildfire, and a sweeping exploration of our rapidly changing relationship with fire on Earth. It won the Baillie Gifford Prize for Non-Fiction 2023 and was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize.

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