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Robin Wall Kimmerer And Alice Vincent, Live at Conway Hall

2024/8/2
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Robin Wall Kimmerer: 我的写作灵感来自与植物等非人类生命形式的互动,它们帮助我超越人类中心主义的视角,讲述更广阔的故事。选择写作伙伴是凭直觉,它们能帮助我深入思考和探讨写作主题。我的写作环境多样化,包括书桌、森林、花园和皮划艇。在大学入学面试中,我因用植物的美丽来解释选择植物学专业的理由而被教授否定,这反映了西方科学与原住民知识体系之间的冲突。写作帮助我调和自身对西方科学和原住民知识的理解,并进行自我对话。我在学术生涯中,努力融合传统知识和科学知识,并试图在学术界推广这种融合。写作《编织甜草》的目标是,用科学和原住民两种语言,同时向科学同行和原住民社区传达我的观点。我建议使用新的代词“ki”来指代植物,以体现植物的活力和生命力。英语中使用“it”指代所有生物,这是一种物化自然的方式,是导致人类与地球关系恶化的原因之一。 《编织甜草》的成功是指数增长的,这与甜草的传播方式相似,都是通过人际间的传递。我在俄勒冈州的一次演讲后,感受到了读者对书中内容的强烈需求,这让我既兴奋又害怕。我的书激发了读者采取行动,例如参与社区花园、创建森林幼儿园、创作音乐和艺术作品等。《编织甜草》中关于“燃烧卡斯卡德角”的故事促使自然保护协会采取了生态修复行动。面对生态悲痛,应该允许自己悲伤,并以此为动力去采取行动。通过教学,我意识到自己与学生之间在与植物相处方式上的差异,这促使我更深入地思考人类与自然的关系。我将“母亲”作为最重要的身份,优先于其他成就。成为祖母后,我更关注如何引导孙辈与自然建立联系,并抵制那些破坏自然与传统文化的行为。我从土地、祖先的教诲以及对未来的使命感中获得力量和希望。我认为“爱”比“希望”更重要,因为爱是可以掌控的,而希望则过于模糊。我受到许多先辈女性科学家的影响,例如蕾切尔·卡森,她们敢于挑战传统,为保护环境而发声。即使是那些没有原住民身份的人,也可以通过与土地的互动和回馈来建立归属感。学术界需要去殖民化,并提倡多元化的知识体系。植物可以作为我们直觉的指引,但我们不应将人类视为它们教育的目标。用充满爱和温柔的方式与孩子沟通,并以抵抗的态度去对抗现代生活中不利于自然和谐的因素,非常重要。我计划出版一本儿童绘本,以更简明的方式向儿童传达我的理念。 Alice Vincent: 作为主持人,她引导了与Robin Wall Kimmerer的对话,并对她的作品和观点进行了补充和阐述。她展现了对Robin Wall Kimmerer作品的深入理解和欣赏,并积极参与讨论,提出具有启发性的问题。

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Why does Robin Wall Kimmerer believe that plants should be referred to as 'persons' rather than 'objects'?

Robin believes that referring to plants as 'persons' helps to acknowledge their personhood and fosters a sense of relationship and curiosity. In contrast, treating them as objects can lead to objectification and dehumanization, which she sees as part of the problem in our relationship with the natural world.

What was the pivotal moment in Robin's career that made her realize the importance of integrating traditional and scientific knowledge?

Robin's pivotal moment was during her first day at university when her advisor dismissed her interest in understanding the beauty of asters and goldenrod together as not being scientific. This experience made her realize the need to integrate traditional ecological knowledge with scientific knowledge and to find a way to make both communities understand and value each other.

How has the reception of 'Braiding Sweetgrass' impacted Robin personally and professionally?

The reception of 'Braiding Sweetgrass' has been deeply gratifying for Robin. She has seen the book's sales grow exponentially, largely through word-of-mouth, and it has inspired many people to take action, create art, and form closer relationships with the natural world. One notable impact was a financier who, after reading the book, decided to buy an organic farm and change his career path.

Why does Robin emphasize the role of motherhood in her books and personal life?

Robin emphasizes motherhood as a way to topple the hierarchy of what is important in life, placing relationships and the gifts we share at the forefront. She sees mothering as a mirror to the care and nurturing needed to protect and restore the Earth. The love and reciprocity experienced in motherhood help her and her readers understand and practice care for the environment.

How does Robin Wall Kimmerer find strength and resilience in the face of environmental and cultural destruction?

Robin finds strength and resilience from the land and ancestral teachings. She believes that by reconnecting with the land and picking up the teachings and responsibilities left by her ancestors, she can contribute to a collective effort to restore the world. This sense of purpose, sanctioned by her culture, helps her stay committed and hopeful.

What is Robin's approach to teaching and decolonizing academia?

Robin's approach to teaching and decolonizing academia involves bringing multiple ways of knowing into the classroom, teaching on the land, and viewing the land and culture as teachers. She has seen a growing movement to decolonize academia, with more Indigenous students and the integration of traditional knowledge into federal land management decisions. This change is happening in pockets but is growing exponentially.

What does Robin Wall Kimmerer suggest as a way to reconnect with the natural world in a meaningful way?

Robin suggests that people can reconnect with the natural world by treating plants and other beings as persons, using pronouns like 'ki' to acknowledge their animacy. Additionally, she recommends listening to the land, engaging in acts of reciprocity, and feeling a sense of belonging through acknowledging the gifts the land provides and giving back in return. This process is a form of resistance against the forces of colonization and assimilation.

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Due to phenomenal demand, 5x15 has programmed an additional London event with leading author and ecologist Robin Wall Kimmerer. Don't miss the chance to hear this extraordinary writer share her unique perspectives on plants, ecology and the natural world. She will be in conversation with Alice Vincent- author of Rootbound- at Conway Hall on May 30th.

Robin Wall Kimmerer's internationally bestselling books, Braiding Sweetgrass and Gathering Moss, not only teach us about the biology of different organisms, but show us other ways of living in the world. It is through celebrating our reciprocal relationship with nature that we can awaken our ecological consciousness, and better protect our planet's gifts.

Robin Wall Kimmerer is a mother, scientist, decorated professor and enrolled member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. She lives in Syracuse, New York, where she is a Professor of Environmental Biology and the founder and director of the Centre for Native Peoples and the Environment. Her current work spans traditional ecological knowledge, moss ecology, outreach to tribal communities and creative writing.

Alice Vincent is a writer. Her books include Why Women Grow, Stories of Soil, Sisterhood and Survival and Rootbound, Rewilding a Life. A columnist for The Guardian and The New Statesman, Alice writes for Vogue, The Financial Times and The Times. She is the host of the Why Women Grow and In Haste podcasts and creator of her bi-weekly newsletter, savour.