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Jonathan Haidt And Kirstie Allsopp On The Anxious Generation

2024/10/11
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Jonathan Haidt:青少年心理健康危机始于2010年左右,尤其体现在女孩身上。这与现实世界中过度保护和网络世界中缺乏保护密切相关。智能手机的过度使用是导致青少年焦虑和抑郁的重要因素。我们需要改变社会规范,让孩子们有更多机会进行独立探索和冒险,在适度风险中学习和成长。同时,要限制孩子使用智能手机和社交媒体的时间,并鼓励他们参与现实世界的活动,例如团队运动和自由玩耍。 Kirstie Allsopp:她允许自己的儿子独自进行欧洲火车旅行,这在过去是欧洲青少年的常见经历,有助于培养独立性。她认为孩子需要独立体验才能成长,过度保护会限制孩子的发展。她还指出,学校和机构为了避免风险而过度谨慎,这与保险行业和法律职业的保守态度有关。她认为,社会对儿童的过度保护,以及对陌生人的不信任,导致了儿童缺乏独立性的现象。

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What are the two major factors behind the epidemic of mental illness among adolescents, according to Jonathan Haidt?

The two major factors are the rise in smartphone usage and the decline of free-play in childhood.

What is the significance of the interrailing trip that Kirstie Allsopp's son, Oscar, took?

The interrailing trip is significant because it represents a traditional rite of passage for European children after their GCSEs, symbolizing independence and responsibility. When Kirstie wrote about it, it sparked a public debate about overprotection and free-range parenting.

Why do parents and institutions in the UK and US seem more cautious about letting children take risks compared to Scandinavian countries?

Parents and institutions in the UK and US have become more cautious due to a combination of legal fears, an increase in lawsuits, and a collapse in adult solidarity, where adults are less likely to help and trust each other with children's safety. In contrast, Scandinavian countries maintain a higher level of trust and fewer legal constraints.

What are the four norms proposed by Jonathan Haidt to combat the negative effects of smartphones on children?

The four norms are: no smartphone before age 14, no social media before age 16, phone-free schools, and more independence, free play, and responsibility in the real world.

How does the Let Grow Experience project help parents and children?

The Let Grow Experience project helps by encouraging children to take on age-appropriate tasks independently, which reduces anxiety and builds confidence in both children and parents. It also resets community norms, making it more acceptable for kids to engage in independent activities.

What is the impact of smartphones and social media on teen mental health?

Smartphones and social media have contributed to a rise in mental health issues among teens, particularly girls, since 2012. They are associated with increased anxiety, depression, and exposure to online dangers such as sextortion and cyberbullying.

Why is it important for children to take small risks and have independent experiences?

Taking small risks and having independent experiences are crucial for children's development. They help build confidence, resilience, and the ability to handle larger risks and challenges as they grow older. Without these experiences, children are more likely to struggle with independence and adaptability in adulthood.

What role do cultural and legal differences play in the way schools handle children's independence in the UK compared to Switzerland?

In the UK, schools are more cautious and require numerous forms and permissions for trips, partly due to fear of lawsuits and the lack of adult solidarity. In Switzerland, schools and parents trust each other more, leading to fewer restrictions and more freedom for children to explore and learn independently.

What is the main advice for parents of older children already addicted to smartphones?

For older children already addicted to smartphones, the main advice is to structure the day to reduce screen time, such as no screens in the bedroom after 10 p.m., no phones in the morning until they leave for school, and pushing for phone-free schools. This helps in breaking the 'always on' habit and encourages real-world interactions.

What is the role of government in promoting more independent childhoods?

Government can play a crucial role by passing laws that protect parents from being prosecuted for giving their children reasonable independence and by raising the age limits for smartphone and social media usage. This can help create a supportive environment for parents and schools to encourage more independence and free play.

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5x15 is delighted to announce a special online event with acclaimed psychologist Jonathan Haidt and television presenter Kirstie Allsopp, in partnership with Smartphone Free Childhood. Author of the groundbreaking, No.1 Sunday Times bestseller The Anxious Generation, Jonathan Haidt has transformed the conversation around teenage mental health and galvanised a global movement.

Haidt argues that there are two major factors behind the epidemic of mental illness among adolescents: the rise in smartphone usage, and the decline of free-play in childhood. With so many of us glued to our screens, it is now harder than ever to rediscover time spent in the real world.

But there is another way. By presenting startling new data, Haidt's book has inspired many to put his practical recommendations to the test, and the results are remarkable. By limiting smartphone usage and returning to in-person interactions, children, teenagers and the rest of us can discover independence, responsibility and meaning, allowing us all to flourish.

Published to huge acclaim this year, The Anxious Generation is both a life-raft and a powerful call-to-arms, offering practical advice for parents, schools, governments, and teens themselves. There are lessons here for everyone, not only about parenting and development in an anxious age, but about reconnecting with what's important.

Join us in October for this inspiring conversation.

Praise for The Anxious Generation

‘Jonathan Haidt is a modern-day prophet, disguised as a psychologist . . . He points the way forward to a brighter, stronger future for us all.’ – Susan Cain

‘Compelling, readable – a clarion-call to parents everywhere’ – Telegraph

‘Every single parent needs to stop what they are doing and read this book immediately.’ – Johann Hari, author of Stolen Focus

‘Urgent and essential’ – Guardian

Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist at New York University’s Stern School of Business. His research examines the foundations of morality, and how morality varies across cultural and political divisions. Haidt is the author of The Happiness Hypothesis (2006) and of the New York Times bestsellers The Righteous Mind (2012) and The Coddling of the American Mind (2018, with Greg Lukianoff). In 2019 he was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Since 2018 he has been studying the contributions of social media to the decline of teen mental health and the rise of political dysfunction, and The Anxious Generation (2024) has come out of this research.

Kirstie Allsopp is best known as a property expert and co presenter of Location, Location, Location and Love it or List it. For 25 years she has been guiding us up and down the property ladder with her extensive knowledge of how to buy, sell and renovate our homes. Over the past 10 years she’s invigorated the world of crafting, inspiring us to try our hand at new skills with a special focus on Christmas crafts in the unmissable Kirstie’s Handmade Christmas. Kirstie gives a great deal of time to various charities, promoting the work of Home-Start UK and Keep Britain Tidy. She’s also a longtime supporter of Comic Relief and Cancer Research.

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