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Where Do These Dishes ACTUALLY Come From?

2024/11/20
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Josh 认为西萨沙拉起源于墨西哥蒂华纳,由一位居住在美国的意大利厨师 Cesare Cardini 发明。他认为,虽然沙拉的主要食材和制作方法源于意大利,但这并不意味着它就一定是意大利菜。他强调,菜肴的起源地和文化归属是一个复杂的问题,不能简单地根据食材或制作方法来判断。 Josh 还提到,在美国的墨西哥餐厅菜单上经常可以看到西萨沙拉,这进一步说明了它在美国文化中的融合。他认为,如果墨西哥人想将西萨沙拉认作墨西哥菜,他们完全有权利这样做,但还有许多其他更具代表性的墨西哥菜肴值得关注。 Nicole 同意西萨沙拉的起源地是墨西哥蒂华纳,但她更倾向于将它视为一种意式美式菜肴。她认为,人们对食物的归属感往往是语义上的,取决于人们如何看待食物。她还指出,西萨沙拉的调料成分和制作方法可以追溯到意大利,而沙拉中使用的莴苣在当时由加利福尼亚和墨西哥种植,这体现了食物原料的当地性。 Nicole 还讨论了食物的“正宗性”问题,认为这是一个很难界定的概念。她认为,人们对食物的关注点更多的是其味道和享受,而不是其严格的文化归属。

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Key Insights

Why is Caesar salad claimed to be Mexican when it was invented by an Italian chef?

Caesar salad was invented in Tijuana, Mexico, by Cesare Cardini, an Italian chef who had been living in America. Despite being created in Mexico, the dish’s ingredients and techniques are rooted in Italian cuisine, leading to debates about its true origin.

What ingredients does the classic Caesar dressing contain and where do they originate?

The classic Caesar dressing contains egg yolks, olive oil, cheese (typically Parmigiano-Reggiano), anchovies, mustard, salt, pepper, and lemon. Most of these ingredients, including the emulsification technique, have Western European roots, particularly Italian.

Why do some people consider Caesar salad to be an Italian-American dish?

Some people consider Caesar salad to be an Italian-American dish because it was created by Italian chefs in Mexico, who were influenced by their Italian culinary background and the ingredients available in America. The dish was then popularized in the United States, further solidifying its Italian-American identity.

What is the historical origin of croissants, and why are they considered French?

Croissants have roots in Vienna, Austria, where they were originally a simple, laminated pastry. The French perfected the croissant, making it flakier and crispier, and it became a staple of French cuisine. Despite its Austrian origins, the modern croissant is considered French due to the significant improvements and widespread adoption in France.

How did the hamburger become uniquely American despite its German origins?

The hamburger evolved from the Hamburg steak, a German dish, but it was significantly modified in America. German migrants in Texas started using beef instead of pork and reduced the spices, aligning with American tastes. It was then served on a bun and popularized in the U.S., making it a uniquely American dish.

What is the origin of orange chicken, and why is it considered American Chinese?

Orange chicken is based on a Hunanese dish called citrus peel chicken but was invented in Hawaii by a Chinese-American person. The dish incorporates American ingredients and techniques, making it an example of American Chinese cuisine. It is considered American Chinese because it was created and popularized in the U.S. by Chinese-Americans.

Why is the modern poke bowl considered American despite its Hawaiian origins?

The modern poke bowl is considered American because it has been adapted and commercialized in the U.S., often found in strip malls and served with influences from Japanese and other Asian cuisines. While the name and basic concept are Hawaiian, the contemporary version is a fusion of various culinary traditions, making it an American interpretation.

What is the correct method of eating string cheese, and does the type of cheese matter?

The method of eating string cheese depends on the type of cheese. For ultra low moisture mozzarella, the stringing method is most common. For harder cheeses like cheddar or Colby Jack, biting is more efficient. String cheese is typically made from low moisture mozzarella, which is ideal for stringing, while other types of cheese sticks may not string as well.

What is the significance of the name 'Phoenix' in the context of the show?

The name 'Phoenix' was mentioned by a listener who shared a unique food opinion. The hosts appreciated the name, finding it beautiful and unisex. One host revealed that 'Phoenix' was a name they had always wanted for their firstborn child.

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The podcast hosts discuss the origins of Caesar salad, tracing its invention back to Tijuana, Mexico, by an Italian chef. They debate whether the salad's origins make it Italian, American, or Mexican, ultimately concluding that its ingredients and techniques have primarily Western European roots, while its location of creation is Mexican. The discussion touches on the complexities of assigning nationality to dishes.
  • Caesar salad was invented in Tijuana, Mexico by Cesare Cardini.
  • The salad's ingredients (anchovies, romaine lettuce, Parmesan cheese, olive oil, egg yolks, lemon) are primarily of Italian origin.
  • The discussion highlights the complexities of assigning nationality to dishes based on origin of ingredients, place of creation, and cultural adaptation.

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Today, Josh and Nicole explore the origins of popular dishes and where they actually came from!

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