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How To Invent New Vegetables ft. Dan Barber

2024/12/4
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Josh Ayer和Nicole Inayati介绍了节目嘉宾Dan Barber及其公司Row 7 Seed Company的工作,该公司致力于创造新型蔬菜。他们讨论了创造新型蔬菜的过程,以及如何将美味、环保和商业利益结合起来。 Dan Barber解释了Row 7 Seed Company的使命,即推广那些市场上没有的蔬菜新品种,例如甜蒜,它是由荷兰育种家Hans Bongers培育的。他强调了与育种者合作的重要性,以及如何通过与育种者对话,创造出美味的蔬菜新品种。传统的育种更注重产量和保质期,而非风味,而Row 7 Seed Company则致力于改变这种现状。 Nicole Inayati分享了她参加Row 7在Osteria Mozza举办的晚餐的经历,并对甜蒜印象深刻。她还提出了如何创造新品种蔬菜的问题。 Dan Barber详细阐述了他对美味、环保和健康之间关系的理解。他认为这三者并非互相排斥,而是相互关联的。好的种子和土壤能产出美味、健康且对环境友好的蔬菜。他认为,人们对加工食品的依赖导致了营养不良和缺乏真正风味的问题,而厨师在推广健康饮食方面扮演着重要的角色。他以Badger Flame甜菜为例,讲述了其从被行业拒绝到广受欢迎的故事,并表达了对人们对蔬菜态度转变的欣慰。他认为,通过改进蔬菜的风味,可以让人们更愿意食用蔬菜,从而改善健康和环境问题。

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How does Row 7 Seed Company create new vegetables?

Row 7 Seed Company collaborates with breeders to develop new vegetables that prioritize flavor. They take seeds that are often rejected by the industry due to lack of a definable market and champion them, bringing them to produce aisles.

Why don't chefs traditionally talk to breeders?

Chefs typically interact with farmers at farmers' markets, not breeders. Breeders, who are the architects of the food system, are usually in conversation with the industry, which prioritizes yield, storability, and shelf life over flavor.

What is the significance of flavor in Dan Barber's approach to vegetables?

Flavor is central to Dan Barber's philosophy. He believes that delicious vegetables grown from the right seed in the right soil are inherently good for the environment, health, and even democratic ideals. Hedonism and ethical farming are not separate but interconnected.

What environmental impact does the current food system have?

Agriculture is responsible for 33-35% of global greenhouse gas emissions, more than trains, planes, and automobiles combined. The current system often prioritizes monocultures and long-distance shipping, contributing to environmental degradation.

How does Row 7 Seed Company aim to change the perception of vegetables?

Row 7 Seed Company focuses on breeding and promoting vegetables for their flavor, making them appealing as center-of-plate dishes rather than sides. They aim to shift the narrative from vegetables as a punchline to vegetables as a source of pleasure and health.

What is the story behind the Badger Flame beet?

The Badger Flame beet was bred by Erwin Goldman, an Orthodox Jew from Wisconsin, who created it to make beets more appealing to kids by reducing the geosmin compound that gives beets their earthy taste. It has become a popular variety among chefs and consumers.

How does Dan Barber see chefs' role in the future of food?

Chefs are seen as ambassadors for good food, advocating for flavor and quality ingredients. They play a role in democratizing food experiences, making high-quality ingredients accessible to more people and influencing food culture beyond restaurants.

What is the Honey Nut Squash and how did it come about?

The Honey Nut Squash is a smaller butternut squash bred for flavor, developed through a collaboration between Dan Barber and a squash breeder. It started as a prototype in Barber's kitchen and is now widely available in stores like Walmart, Costco, and Whole Foods.

Why does Dan Barber believe celery needs to be re-bred?

Barber thinks celery has been bred down to a point where it lacks flavor. He believes that by focusing on breeding, we could develop a celery variety that is more delicious and versatile in cooking.

What does Dan Barber think about cooking lettuce?

Barber believes that certain lettuces, like Romaine, can be cooked to bring out their flavor. He has a dish at his restaurant that sautés salad greens as a way to end a meal cleanly and deliciously.

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Today, Josh and Nicole are joined by Dan Barber, chef and co-owner of Family Meal & Stone Barns to discuss the logistics and possibilities of inventing new vegetables!

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