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Visit go.acast.com slash ads to get started today. Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with Lenny. She looks like she's about to start a fight. Are you okay? Not starting a fight, but I just want you to know that I rushed back from my school reunion to make the main course. How was your school reunion?

I need to tell you that I didn't know this, that they showed, they had a picture of me when I was much younger. One of the girls, one of the women, all my age. Girls? And my nickname apparently at school was Sexy Lemmy. Oh my God. Stop. And their husbands, who I don't even know, call me Sexy Lemmy. Oh my God, that's so weird. That's strange. Hold on, this is a school reunion? Yeah, and it's a school lunch.

And they all called you sexy. At what age did you get the name Sexy Lenny? At 12 or 13? I hope not. I hope it was when I was about 18. What were you doing, Lenny? That's the way I look, darling. It's just sex appeal. Something X-factor. Oozed it. In Manchester? Yeah. You had that? Yeah. How does that make you feel, sexy? I felt quite sexy. I felt quite good, to be honest.

After that. Anyway, I'm going to shout out to my friends who might listen now. Yeah. Because they thought I was doing a blog. A blog. Older people always talk about blogs, not podcasts, don't they? They're about 15 years behind. So I'm going to shout out to Adrian, Philippa, Maureen, Vanessa. Yeah.

Ruth and Marcel. You know what? If Scott Mills hadn't just got that breakfast gig for Radio 2, I think, Lenny, you could have been in for a chance to take over. Dear Zoe Ball. I have to do my own shout-out. We had a big birthday party at the weekend. The best birthday.

in the whole universe. It was pretty amazing. Me and Sam had a joint 40th and 10-year wedding anniversary, which I think on reflection maybe appears quite smug, and I apologise if anyone thinks that's smug, but we decided to quite camply renew our vows, dressed almost like a poor man's Sonny and Cher. Sam had hair for the first time, and I'm thinking...

his life he wore a wig I wore a wig the kids were there it was really amazing and we had the most amazing band that we'd seen at Wilderness called Brassique

And if anybody is at festivals this year, it was their second gig. And I saw them and I was completely mad about them at the festival. And so I messaged them to see if they wanted to do it. And they did. And I'm so lucky because they were unbelievable. I walked down the aisle to a beautiful queen singing Nessun Dorma.

It was fab. And also, dear darling Bessley, who is my favourite DJ in the world, also brought her gorgeous ooh-la-la macarons as our kind of tower of birthday cake because I think birthday cake can be quite overrated sometimes and the macarons were perfect. So thank you so much, Bessley. But we had the best time. It was wicked. It was at Riverley Ballroom, which is the most beautiful venue. Everyone dressed up.

Everyone danced. And I'm a bit sad it's over. I know. On to the podcast. We have somebody that I am quite mad about. I was obsessed with her when Catastrophe came out. We've had her co-star from Catastrophe on a few weeks ago, Rob Delaney. It's Sharon Horgan. I approached Sharon Horgan at, I think, a glamour event.

awards show and just shouted in her face that something you loved her that I loved her and she was very nice to me she's gone on to do amazing things since Catastrophe This Way Up with Aisling Bea who we adore which I thought was

Like two of the most brilliant series. And I want to know whether that's going to come back. But we're here to talk about her latest... Bad Sisters. Bad Sisters. Second season on Apple TV+. And...

Those sisters. They are bad. They are badass. They are amazing. The sorority and just how, well, Sharon. So I think it was a story, a Belgian story that Sharon and her production team adapted. Oh.

And now we're into the second season. And yeah, there's a big shock in the second episode, which I did not see coming. And Sharon's come on to talk about Bad Sisters. So I have just come to motherland. Where have you been, mum? I know. But I thought it was for more your age group and I wouldn't enjoy it. You're a mother. Yeah.

But I want to know which one she'd be. Liz is my favourite. The northern? The northern one. She's the best. So, yeah, she's worked with Sarah Jessica Parker on Divorce. She's prolific. I've watched all of that. And what have you made, Mum? I've made a salmon en croûte with a dill... We haven't done that ever, I think, on the podcast. No, a dill beurre blanc sauce. Did you go for the Prosecco sauce? No, I put white wine in.

And I might put a drop more in because it doesn't taste very wine-y to me. Do you want a glass of wine now? I need something. Okay. Sharon Horgan coming up on table nice. I might take my jacket off. That's all right. You look, can I just say, Sharon Horgan has just come in. She looks like one of Charlie's Angels. You look unbelievable. Oh, really? It's gorgeous. You look unbelievable. Well, I'm doing this, you know, press tour for Bad Sisters. So this very nice lady, Rachel. Hello.

Who we made friends with at Comic Relief. Oh, was that? At shoot this week. Right. Yeah. Well, she's given me a load of nice outfits, so this is one of them. It's really good. You should watch this. She gives you the whole thing, like rings, necklaces. I love the jacket. Yeah, but it's such a good colour. And the big wide trousers. Oh, look at those shoes. She's got a Louboutin's. They are high. They are, I know. Well, good job on sitting down.

You look amazing. Do you walk around like this all the time? No, not at all. No, ask my daughters. No, not at all. Just tracksuit bottoms and t-shirts, I suppose. Yeah. Thank you for being here. It's for having me. And you've brought your two gorgeous daughters along. I have, yeah. How old are they? I wonder, shall I say, because you've just given them boat champagne, but one of them is, she's going to be 21 in January. She's allowed. She's allowed. And one of them is...

Which you're allowed when you have a... That's fine. We're Mediterranean. It's fine. And it's... Yeah. Yeah. Are they bad sisters? They're really good to each other's sisters.

So they're good sisters. Yeah, they're really nice to each other. They love each other. They're mad about each other. And they are, I mean, less nice to me, obviously, but that's... Oh, don't tell me that's going to happen because my daughter adores me at the moment. Oh, yeah. No, that will happen. Yeah. What age should I be looking forward to that? Well, it sort of depends. But early teens, they start to turn on you. But not, I mean, I feel like Eamon hasn't really... Eamon, have you turned on me?

They wouldn't still be here with you tonight if they turned on you. No, they kind of go off you quite heavily and then it sort of sorts itself out and then they come back. I just need to ask, do you think your mum is cool? Absolutely. Okay, that's great. Definitely.

She is cool. She is like... Very cool. Very cool. I can tell. So there we go. That's amazing. It's like family therapy. I'm coming up for the books. And your daughters think you're cool, so I think you're doing fine. That's amazing. Hold on a minute. What do you need, mate? Sorry, my son has just walked in. You need to go to bed, my lovely...

It's the new one. Yeah, it's in there. Oh, wow, that's a new one. Right, come on, mate. He's cute as hell. Okay, you can take the bottle there if you want some. Hold on, let me just top this up. Yeah, top it up, darling. You know where we started getting really into Bollie? We had Joanne Lumley on the pod. Oh, my God. So I'm working with her at the moment. How lovely is she? Yeah, because we are the best. She's just so divine. I mean, and...

So beautiful. So we're doing a Motherland spin-off. She's the mother in it, isn't she? She's the mom. So she plays Amanda's... Mum doesn't know her yet. I don't know. I'm only second weight through the second season. Okay, so she... I think she comes in in the second season. I can't remember. But anyway, she's amazing. Is she Amanda's mom? She's Amanda's mom. Can you imagine that?

So Amanda Land is the spin-off and it's her and Joanna Lumley playing for Sierra Monk. And Anne, who was her Amanda's sidekick in Motherland. Irish Anne. And then this whole new cast, amazing. I'm so excited for people to see it. I should have done you Prosecco and Spag bol tonight. It's so frigging good. Oh, thank you. Are you Liz?

I love Liz. No, I'm not Liz. I kind of wish I was a bit, I think I'm probably a bit of all of them. A bit of all of them. Less Kevin. Less Kevin. Yeah, not so much Kevin. He's so good at it. He's so amazing, isn't he? He's so amazing. Yeah. Kevin. Would you be in the next season in The Mandalayland? Oh, I'm not. I'm not in The Mandalayland. But in the, you know, if we do another season of The Mandalayland, maybe, because it's just so much fun. It's so much fun watching them. And now it's like sort of,

teenagers you know they've got we kind of jumped on a few years so it's that kind of yeah I mean you haven't got to that yet but that's you're experiencing it real life so you've had your teenagers and that's kind of so that's yeah yeah yeah I can't wait for that I just can't wait for you to see it but we're here we're here we're talking about bad sisters yeah

the baddest of sisters what a cast thank you I mean I'm saying thank you but no you must have been involved in the casting and all of it you must have been involved in all it's your baby it is my baby it really is um some of the girls I'd worked with before and you know and some I sort of admired from afar and uh

But yeah, we got really lucky. We got really, really lucky with that cast. It also makes me want to go to Ireland. Yeah. So much. It's really good for the Irish tourist board. Yeah, I think. Oh, that's great. Makes me want to do cold water swimming. And I'm not that gal. Yeah. Well, none of us are. Well, actually, Eve Hewson's... I wouldn't say into it, but she grew up round the corner from where the 40 foot is. So she's kind of used to doing it. But like Eva Berthesil and Sarah Green, I think...

you know, would, there's a lot of things they'd rather do than get in the core. It's Baltic, like it's, I don't know what it is about that particular spot. - Oh my God, it's freezing. - Can we just, 'cause I know that we're recording this when episode four has just dropped. I'm up to episode three. - Okay. - Is Daryl coming back?

Because I'm sorry, you've missed a fucking trick on this. But hang on, you saw him in that three. I haven't seen him in three. Yeah, you did. No, I fucking didn't. He walks into the back of the church. I missed a benonceria full of tricks about table manners. You double screener.

Shit, I am. Yeah, he walks in the back of the church and Becca is like, what the hell? Did you find him? Do you know what? Daryl McCormack lived around the corner from me in Hackney for the whole time I was there. And? And I never saw him. And then when we were casting Bad Sisters, one of the, actually the lady who runs the local store, he lived just above her shop.

And she was like, you've got to see this incredibly fit Irishman who's an actor. And then Nina Gold, who cast it, sent me through this list and he happened to be on the list. But that was the first time I'd sort of seen or heard of him. And he was also in the Emma Thompson film. But that happened after. Well, no, he coincided. Coincided, yeah. But I hadn't, you know, I'd heard about that as we started casting. He'd been married.

He's not, he's getting in there. Is he in a relationship? Does he like older women? I don't know the answer to that. But he has got a girlfriend, I just remembered. He told us, he came to the premiere in New York. So he does actually four of those, get in there. Okay, well then that's what I'm going to be doing. What? Watching that without my husband.

And enjoying Daryl. Daryl is gorgeous. I just, him and Eve's, I mean, people, everyone's watched Bad Sisters, so everyone knows Eve. Eve's character is called, what's her name? Becca. Becca. Yeah. And their chemistry together. Their chemistry was really good. Yeah. It's some of the best chemistry on television. Yeah. Speaking of other good chemistry, you and Rob Delaney. I mean, we had Rob on a few weeks ago. Did you? Yeah. Aww.

He's a very attractive man. We don't just objectify all men. I do. You do. You do. But he is particularly handsome. He's gorgeous. I had a child. I had my daughter and I was living in East London and catastrophe. When did catastrophe come out? I don't know. I lose track of everything. I don't understand time anymore. So I think it was around the time that I was having a child around 2016 or maybe a bit earlier.

No, it wasn't. Well, I was walking around. Yeah, I was walking around playgrounds like you did, like kind of offend people. And I basically thought I was your character. Isn't it a really hard, hard time? It's such a hard time. I used to see like mums having picnics without me. I know. I wonder how, where is that? How did they organise that? What is that WhatsApp group? But then, and the reason why like Motherland kind of,

sort of, you know, not easy to write, but like kind of had to be written is that once you once you do find your tribe, you know, once you find those people, that's it. You're

It's amazing. Your life changes. Everything becomes easier with your kids. And the mums I met at the school gates are still my closest pals. Did you ever have to ask their permission to write any particular stories? Oh, yeah. Yeah, quite a lot. Well, not Motherland, really, because...

Most of the characters are just completely fictional. There was a few characters in Catastrophe that were based on people, but people didn't notice. So I didn't have to. Yeah, but definitely storylines that I've wholesale taken from friends. I've asked and I've sort of, you know, explained the scenes. Definitely stuff in Motherland. Definitely scenes in Divorce.

and they're fine. Like as long as I think you... Because I used to do it without asking and that's not so good. Did you ever get in trouble? Well, I didn't get in trouble. I had people contact me from the past who found my old hotmail email and go, well, you know, we used to live together in...

you know, blah, blah, blah, shared accommodation. I recognise that scene from... But not in an antagonistic way. They should be flattered, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe it wasn't the right thing to do. I didn't ask permission, but now I do. And also, they kind of like it, you know. Let's talk about round the dinner table. Your daughters are here. Yeah.

Well, actually, maybe you would like to come on the mic and say what's your mum's best meal that she cooks. Who wants to get on the mic? They're kind of a little bit sort of mean about my cooking, but I think they have to... Are you a good cook? I think I am a good cook, yeah. Well, you make two things really well. OK. The cauliflower head sitting on yoghurt. Tahini. Tahini. Gorgeous. Which we said we liked once, and then we have a lot, but it's great. LAUGHTER

And salmon and rice with all the vegetables and seaweed. Seaweed, salmon and rice. I actually make a really good roast chicken dinner as well, but Sivey doesn't eat chicken anymore. So, Aimee, what do you think about that? She just rolled her eyes. You rolled them? Oh, oh, oh.

Don't speak to your mother like that. So if you have one pescatarian, does that control the whole thing? We end up just eating fish a lot, don't we? We eat fish mainly. And then on Sundays, or like if people come round for lunch, we do like a fish for Siby and then roast like a meat, usually chicken, because it's easy. Roast chicken. Me too. I love all the roasts. Where did you grow up?

I grew up in a place called Bellewstown in County Meath in Ireland. You know I'm Irish, don't you? I didn't know that. I've got my Irish passport. Get the hell out of town. I'm very proud. I'm such a big baby that I can actually feel the effects of half a glass of champagne. Me too, actually. It's terrible. But I've been desperate for a glass of champagne. But yeah, it's such a delicious... I love champagne. I love it too. Me too. So you grew up in County Meath. County Meath, yeah. Yeah. Where is that?

That's just north of Dublin in southern Ireland, yeah. How many people were in your family? So there's five brothers and sisters, including me. A big family. Two brothers and three girls. And what did your parents do? Did they work? My dad was, unfortunately, we lost him last year. Actually, this year he died on the 27th of December. He was a turkey farmer.

But he'd done so many things previous to that. He was, you know, he worked on, he built, well, not single-handedly, the Underground in London. He was a carpenter. He was a publican.

He was, yeah, he did all sorts. So did you live in London a bit as well? Yeah, I was born in London, which my more Irish brothers and sisters won't let me and my older sister Maria forget. But you don't have a Cockney accent. No, but we did when we were little, little. We moved to Ireland when I was three. Okay. And my eldest sister was four Irish twins and...

And then we had these little... Because we were born in Hackney and then my parents had a pub called the White Thorn in Bow. Oh my gosh, is it still there? No, it was knocked down. Locked down? Yeah, we used to go and see it when my mum and dad would come over from Ireland. We would go and visit it. It should have been a blue plaque. Bloody right. And last time my mum and I went, which was yonks ago actually, it was gone.

and we were a bit it messed us up a bit and then we went we went to a pub nearby and the piano that used to be the piano in our pub was in the pub round the corner we found it so there's a new there's a new telly series in there that is the opening the piano well it's a film isn't it it's a really depressing film that you know will touch a lot of hearts

But, yeah, publicans. So publicans in Bow in the East End. And then when we moved to Ireland first in County Leash in Ireland, we had another pub called the Green Kiwi. And my dad had a kiwi tattooed on his arm. He was a New Zealander. Oh, he was a New Zealander? Yeah, yeah. So did you like that?

Yeah, actually we kept lambs for a while but lambs are the reason why I stopped eating meat and became a vegetarian for 20 years. Because you loved a lamb? Well, we had lambs and they were like, lambs are great. And our two lambs would come up to our back door and they would just sort of bang their little hooves. So lambs do that?

They do if they want to get in to the house. And they would, we were really attached to them. And then one day I was eating a sandwich, weirdly, and I asked what was in it. It was some kind of meat. And my dad said, that's,

Actually, the lambs were called chops and cutlets, which wasn't a great... Oh, my God. He goes, that's chops. And I got really upset. Of course you did. And I became a vegetarian on that day. And I stayed, yeah, stayed on for 20 years. But you said it was pleased. You must have thought you'd gone mad. It was so fed up with me. Yeah, it was very annoying. So who did the cooking? So my mum...

Did almost all the cooking. I was a, you know, really nice cook. And we, you know, like on Friday we would come home and it would be fish and chips with homemade chips. Yeah. Homemade chips. The greatest. The greatest. And then my dad would always do these like speciality meals. So, you know, when he did cook,

he would cook something pretty fantastic, you know? Or even like he would do like American burgers and he would do, you know, line everything up on the counter. So like pickles, lettuce, tomatoes, you know. Like you're in the diner. Exactly. And he used to make this, like these sort of amazing milk puddings.

and, you know, curries and just like he when he when he cooked, he'd sort of go to town. And then as he and my mum got older and when dad retired, he started cooking more and he was really, really good cook.

Jess, that's probably ready now. Did you do the sauce? I've got it on. I think bring it over here. Okay, fine. Yeah, the sauce just needs warming with a bit of dill in. I might take off my dinner jacket for dinner because I'm getting hot. It's schvitzing in here, yeah. Yeah.

Mum, it looks really good. It does look... I'm actually tempted to do it as a dinner party thing. Do it. What's on top of the salmon? What's on top of the salmon? Is it mushrooms? There's mushrooms that are blitzed with some borderline cheese and some spinach. It's so good. But it might need pepper and salt.

I'm a pepper fiend, so there is, yeah. My dad covers everything in pepper so much that whatever's on his plate just becomes black. So we've all taken on that.

My girls as well. You've always been hackneyed then, when you've been in London? No, no. What am I talking about? I started off in Manor House. Oh. Did you go to squat raves? I did. I lived in a squat for like three and a half years, I'd say. How was it? It was just like living in a flat, but... Cheaper? Cheaper, yeah. And noisier? Mm-hmm. I was in a tower block. And then I moved to a squat in Camden for a really brief amount of time.

And then I started renting in Camden. Then I rented in a housing cooperative in Camden for about six years. And then I moved to Stockwell, but sort of like bordered with Brixton, like more sort of Brixton. And then Bermondsey. You went everywhere. Yeah, and then Hackney. But Hackney for the last 21 years. That's ages. What was the food like? Do you need more sauce? No, no, this is my gorgeous. What was the food like in...

The squat. We got food from the Krishnas all the time. Was it nice? Really nice. There was a couple of... So there were so many people in this tower block, you know, on the various different floors, and then we would come together and eat together. And a few of them were into, you know...

Hare Krishna. And so obviously the Krishnas wanted more people to come on board. So they would come out to us, to the squat in the tower block and do sort of, you know, ceremonies. And then they would feed us at the end. So you had to watch the ceremony to get the grab? Yeah, but a few of us were into it.

What did you consider? Me? No, but a few of them, yeah, a few of us, a few of them really stoked. So there was a lot of, you know, food that we sort of learned to make from the kind of food that they made, you know. Right.

What do you call it? Like sort of dry curries, you know, where you're just sort of cooking the spices and adding the veg and potato. It was all vegetarian. Everyone was either a vegetarian or a vegan. You know, rice dishes and like galabjamuns, you know, those sort of very, very sweet dessert ball things that you eat out of syrup. It was all vegetarian. That's what we ate. And we would do like...

Because it was sort of a cumin a lot of the time. It would just be these great big pans of, like, spicy vegetables. MUSIC PLAYS

Hmm.

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Last supper, Sharon. We ask people, last supper, it would be before you're about to go to a desert island for a very long time. Right. And it would be your ideal last supper. Starter, main, dessert, drink of choice. Okay. A starter...

Well, I love a really good prawn cocktail. You know, really big, juicy, chunky prawns and great dressing and really simple. Because I feel like if you have too big of a starter, you're just fucking up your name. Would you have it in the avocado or would you just have it on its own? Just on its own. And where is the best prawn cocktail that you've had? Can you remember? Um...

Actually, the Shelbourne in Dublin do a great one. Is that the hotel? Yeah. Most places in Ireland do really good either prawn cocktail or smoked salmon on brown bread. But I think it would be that. I think it would be either that or smoked salmon. Okay. Smoked salmon. On rye bread? On soda bread. Soda bread. Yeah. I think so. Drink of choice? Yes.

Would I get a drink to have with the starch? You can do whatever you want. I'd probably have a tequila with... I'd drink George Clooney's tequila. So distressing. Right? The orangey one, not the clear one. Okay. Right? And then with ice, loads of ice and loads of fresh orange juice squeezed into it and then a couple of slices of orange. Main? What would the main be?

It would either be the world's greatest lasagna. Okay. Or if it wasn't the world's greatest lasagna, it'd be like a beef Wellington. Oh, so this was nearly it? Yeah, yeah. In fact, that's what I had for my wedding day. Beef Wellington? It was beef Wellington. Delicious. You got really good beef Wellington. Pudding? Pudding.

Pudding, 100% trifle. Like, without a doubt. Damn it! You should have done trifle! It's my strong suit. I make, at Christmas, it's my big thing. Okay, so which one do you do? What flavour? So, I do sort of like a berry one. Me too. But I do it, it's very old school. It's not even old school, it's just not classy. Do you use jelly? I use jelly. No, I don't.

Yours is not that much classier, Mum, to be honest. But listen, I do like the sponge fingers. That all goes down. Soak that in sherry. And then all the fruit, all the berries. And then jelly. So it would be like a strawberry or raspberry jelly. Like a lot. And then really good custard.

More sherry. Do you make your own custard? Or do you get a shop bought? Shop bought. No, no. No judgment. You use powder. No, do you do the powder? Or do you do... I do the powder. Oh, yeah. Birds. That's kind of like a cross between shop bought and homemade, isn't it? Yeah. You've got to get it right. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I think that's homemade. And then like just tons of cream and then roasted almonds, like slithers of...

chocolate flake. It's, it's a whole thing. Is it great, girl? It's giant. So good. And I used to make a different one for my dad because he loved it sort of old school with like tins of fruit cocktail. You know, proper old school. So, lots of tins of fruit cocktail on top of your spot. Jesus.

So where do you get your berries from? So I... Just frozen, frozen berries. Yeah, that's what I do now. You used to do tinned raspberries though, so I love that. But really boozy, right? Well, I don't use booze because Alex doesn't drink. My son doesn't drink, so I don't use booze. I do too. I do too. Yeah, sometimes, yeah. But I like, you know, where it goes... But I use Swiss roll.

instead of sponge fingers because it's got a bit more raspberry in it oh yeah raspberry swiss roll without the cream I might try that but I feel like everyone would get angry because if you try I think I tried to do cauliflower one year for Christmas everyone was so angry is this the cauliflower in the tahini no it was just like I don't know it was some kind of slightly fancy cauliflower but not that not that fancy and yeah everyone just was really angry

What would it have been instead? Well, you know, it would just be Brussels sprouts, red cabbage, roast potatoes, roast parsnips. And they got annoyed about cauliflower? Yeah.

Yeah, because they were like, what the hell are you doing? Divas. But we would have four meats. Four different ones. Four different meats. So a ham, a lamb, turkey. No, no, no. Okay. Guess again. Ham, turkey. Yeah. Beef. Yeah. But what kind of beef? Beef Wellington. No. No.

Spiced beef, like pastrami kind of style. Like a brisket? Yes, like a brisket, but better. I think it was a good recipe. Well, my dad would just get it from a certain butcher's and they would do all the spicing and then you just cook it. Was it slow cooked? Yes, slow cooked. Wow. And then goose. Goose.

Jeez. That's a donku. So Christmas is big for you guys. Yeah. And then all the different sauces that go with that, you know. So like a cranberry sauce and a bread sauce. How many people came? Like 18, I guess. It kind of gets bigger every year because of... But you've made about...

to eat all that. No, but you just keep eating that for a week. So, we've got your dinner. We've got your dinner. Did we get your drink? We've got the tequila. Yes. Are you sticking with tequila? No, I mean, I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not a psychopath. No, I like it. It's kind of sexy.

I just mean like that would be a nice one. You know, when you're hovering about before the actual meal starts, don't you find that tequila, kind of like champagne, kind of gets you giddy rather than drunk? It's a different kind of, isn't it? It just makes you kind of giddy.

It's great. You get drunk on half a glass of champagne. You're a lightweight. Well, it's because I gave up for like a really good chunk of time. And then I actually started again just after dad died because I thought I need to just go and drink Guinness in the pub with my family. And then and now I'm like, I'm a bit of a lightweight. I haven't fully gotten them. But you don't drink a lot.

No, but when I drink, I drink like an Irish person. What's a memorable... I'm going to ask you your memorable...

taste and you can think about that. Okay. Because I was doing the dinner when you were talking about being in a pub. You must have spent a lot of time in pubs, right? Yes. With your parents being publicans. When I was little, yeah. When you were little. And like, what was the soundtrack to your growing up in a pub? What was played a lot? Because I can imagine there were certain songs. Oh my God. Did you have a jukebox? Definitely a jukebox in the Port Arlington place because I remember it. But in the...

place in Bow, it was the piano and that was it. They really prided themselves on this incredible pianist that they found and the rest of the time they just wanted like just chat. Did they like live music? Yeah, they did. I mean, it's funny because my mum and dad were never really, they didn't play much music in the house. So it kind of

You know, they were both so into it. But, I mean, we had a handful of records when I was little. It felt like there was very little music around. So what style of music did they like? Like my dad was a big sort of, you know, Frank Sinatra kind of... Crooners. Yeah, yeah. Loved all that sort of Rat Pack kind of thing. Rat Pack, I mean. And mum, I don't know, I guess...

Mum would have liked more sort of like whatever we were listening to, you know, kind of popular culture. Oh, well, at what point? Okay. Tweens. Tweens. Oh, tweens. Tweens, I was absolutely Duran Duran kind of new romantic. Okay. Adam and the Ants. And then I got very, very heavily into David Bowie when I was 16.

I guess, 12, 13. Oh, okay. And then, so then it was Bowie and Kate Bush and yeah, they were, they were my soundtrack for a lot of my teens. And then, and then of course, like, you know, The Smiths and Joy Division and New Order. You're an indie girl. You're an indie girl. Yeah. You like The Smiths? Oh God, yeah. Are you a miserable mower? I, I, I,

Saw Donnie Moore play really recently. Oh, he's lovely. We had him on the podcast. He's amazing. But I saw that. I loved it. He was so lovely. And I told him that I saw him play when I was 14 in a pub in Dundalk in County Louthan in Ireland. And he absolutely remembered that tour when it all kicked off when Morrissey said something very controversial and then they all had to sort of

you know, something about the IRA. I can't remember. But anyway, yeah, they had this really tricky time sort of where they had to have proper security and stuff when they were touring around Ireland. But that was, that was when I saw them. And yeah, we, we were, we were obsessed. Yeah.

We dressed like goths, but we were indie, really. Because I never really fully got into... Did you have dyed long black hair? Dyed long black hair, all the black clothes, like vintage black, you know, very sort of like little fitted jackets and, you know, sort of very kind of glam for 15-year-old country girls. Yeah.

But, you know, I mean, I listened to The Cure and Susie, but outside of that, I wasn't, you know, I didn't have sort of big sort of goth leanings. When did you get back to England then? When I was 19. I moved to England when I dropped out of art college in Dublin and I moved to London literally to make my fortune. Of course you did. I did. Have you done stand-up? No, I've done live comedy, live sketch comedy. I've never, never, I wouldn't be, wouldn't be brave enough.

To be myself, you know, on stage. I don't understand comedians. They terrify me. Are all stand-ups comedians? Are all stand-ups themselves? Or do they take on a persona? Well, I guess they take on a bit of a persona. Yeah, they take on a persona. Yeah.

But I used to, you know, I used to, I mean, I used to go and watch stand-up all the time. It was an obsession of mine. But, yeah, it was never something I thought, it was never something I thought I'd be brave enough to do. But it's weird because now I do, like, I do live, I can do live TV and I do, like, I interviewed Stanley Tucci at the Palladium and there was, like, a lot of people there and it didn't, I found it easy enough to be myself, but...

And I like an audience. Like, I don't know what that says about me, but I do. I just want to actually take a moment to say This Way Up was absolutely amazing. It was astonishing. Oh, well, that was Aisling's show. I mean, we, Merriman made it, but that's all Aisling. You and Aisling...

You're fabulous together. It was amazing. Oh, thank you. I loved it so much. Yeah, she's so clever. She is amazing. I have to say, about Bad Sisters, I love the kitchen scenes. Oh, I know. Even when you're shooting from the fridge, it centres around that kitchen and the big discussions. Do you not think it's done? I think it's done.

I don't know. I've never made bread in my life. Is it spongy if you touch it? It's spongy. Then it's done. It's done. Yeah. Yeah, I love those scenes as well. They're a real bugger to shoot because, you know, usually they're big ensemble scenes like the Christmas one and the Easter one. And we did a lot this season as well. But they, yeah, they take a lot of time to shoot. And anything sort of ensemble is tricky, but they're the scenes I love the most. Yeah.

Because you get that real feeling of what it is to be in a big family. And that house. I know. You know, in the second season, we had to just build a new one because the first one was knocked down and developed. Oh my God, no! So this is why Dervlo, world show director, is so amazing because...

what they had to do was find somewhere, a location that matched. And it was such a specific location because it was overlooking, you know, the sea. It was wild. And it was as well. So we found this area in Wicklow because that house was in Hoth.

And we found an area in Wicklow that sort of matched it up. And it ended up being so perfect because, you know, we use the whole area around and the sea and everything. But yeah, we built this house. We built a little house, half a house. It's only half a house. Where is it now? I don't know. I don't know.

Have you ever taken a thing from... It's got blown down, maybe. No, no, no, no. I don't know where it is. It's either in a box somewhere or it's still there. Have you got your own house in Ireland, though? No, I don't. You need one. Yeah, I've got...

I've got a house in LA. Which is like in Beachwood. Oh, how lovely. Yeah, it's lovely. I love Beachwood. Yeah. Where is your first spot that you go to when you're in LA? We go to the Beachwood Cafe and we eat a load of eggs. We hike, you know, we go on a big old hike, usually up to the sign or we go to Griffith Park. We go to Los Feliz. We go to Fred 62's.

Do you go to Clark Street Diner? No, I don't know that one. So it's just on Fairfax. You know the one that used to be the 101 or something? Yes, I used to stay there. I felt a bit sad when it stopped being just a 90s diner. Oh no, it's fabulous. They've kept the interiors exactly the same. Yeah, they do a really good Oreo cookie milkshake with peanut butter. The food is fabulous. It's my favourite. Where else do we go, girls?

The Alcove. We always go to the Alcove, which is on Franklin, is it? Yeah. We also go to the Oaks, just opposite Gelson's and Lappy Bell. I love Gelson. I tried to get into the Scientology church once. Why? They were having an open day. Just to see? Because I'm fascinated. Are you? Yeah. And what did they let you have? Not in a way that I would be attracted to it, but just in a way that I find it so,

creepy is it next door to it yeah did they let you did they let you in no i didn't they wouldn't because and i thought i'm gonna get in here because it's an open day and it was there was this whole thing like saying we welcome be very suspicious i think they must have just told from my cynical chops that you know darling how much small thank you smaller than that bit no that looks good give her a little bit no that looks good okay that's the crunch darling okay

It looks very sad actually. Well maybe it's custody. Yeah it looks great. That's how it's supposed to be. Really like everything has been beige. Sorry. No. Just add some more cream. I will, I will. I'm sitting here now. Please, please help yourself to more cream. It's really delicious.

Is that like brioche? It's panettone. Panettone. I can eat that. Is this for me? Yeah. What is a nostalgic taste? We've had your nostalgic kind of sounds of the pub, but what's a nostalgic taste from your childhood or somewhere? I would say like my mum used to make like scones. She would use like treacle and make treacle and raisin kind of scones. So any sort of home-baked...

scone type bun type thing feels really nostalgic I mean ice creams like there's very specific ice creams that you get in New Orleans that you can't get anywhere else so there's brunch

The girls will back me up on this. One of the greatest ice creams ever invented. What is it? So it's like a vanilla and strawberry ice cream and it's covered in sort of crumbs, like biscuit crumbs that are also strawberry and vanilla. It's amazing. Who makes it? Which make is it? I'm Googling it. I don't know. Walls maybe? I can't remember. And you can't get it here. No, you cannot get it here. And then there's a loop-de-loop.

which is sort of like a lime and chocolate ice lolly. Oh my God. So nostalgic. Oh, that does look good. It's really good. It's even better than that, guys. It's even better than that picture. Brunch. This looks great. So it's kind of like a feast.

It's not even remotely like a feast. A feast not got chocolate. A strawberry centre. Feasts have got a big log of horrible chocolate in the middle. I disagree. I really like a feast. Do you eat Tato's as well? And Tato's. Yeah, Tato's are nostalgic. And there was this one ice cream that they don't do anymore and I think it's a tragedy called a Wibbly Wobbly Wonder. You have to Google that one. A Wibbly Wobbly Wonder. Yeah, it was sort of like a lime, no, like a lemon jelly ice cream.

And in it, it's really hard to explain. It's like an ice pop. It wasn't called a jiggly pop? No. A wibbly wobbly. Is it any of those ones? Wibbly wobbly wonder. Give me. Wibbly wobbly. Oh, and an ice burger. You get ice burgers here, don't you? No.

It's literally... Have you ever had a... Oh, well, it looked very like a jiggly... So it is like a jiggly pop. Maybe it's... Yeah, so it's a jiggly pop. Because it did have a jiggly sort of thing going on. Because it was jelly. Sounds very phallic and... I bet she's never had a tour from them. A torpedo, darling. What do you mean?

What are you talking about? Well, the lolly goes into the ice cream. This all sounds completely X-rated. Stop it. The lolly goes into the ice cream. Does the lolly go in the ice cream, mother? There it is. We probably wonder. They don't do it anymore. I think maybe it was... It's not giving as much as the brunch. Well, that's a real nostalgic taste. But that's all sweet stuff. Oh, Arlen do really, really good sausages.

God knows what's in there because it doesn't taste like meat. It probably isn't. But they are the best. My mum and my dad would do these great fry-ups and like the sound, walking into a kitchen with the sound of a radio playing, like talk radio and the smell of sausages and rashers and like black pudding and all that kind of thing. That's incredibly nostalgic to me. With soda bread. Soda bread or just toast, like the smell of toast. Or potato cakes.

Potato cakes. Oh, I like it. Potato, you know, the ones that are kind of... Potato farts. Yes.

I love this. Gorgeous. They're great. A bit of melted butter. Yeah, yeah. They're really nice. Sharon Horgan, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on. You are prolific. You are incredibly impressive. Your daughters are gorgeous. Yeah, I'm lucky. And I can't wait to see more of your creations on screen. Thanks, honey. And good luck with the rest of Bad Sisters. The finale is on Christmas Day. It's actually the day before Christmas Day. I think it's called Christmas Eve.

The food was delicious. Thank you for having me. Oh, good. I really, really, really enjoyed it. And I'm a really small bit pissed. Great, I love that. I don't see it at all. You're really holding it down. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much to Sharon Horgan for coming over. I love her daughters. They're so sweet. And she looked incredibly glamorous. I loved her outfit. Loved the outfit. The outfit was fab. The hair was fab. And she gave us...

brilliant stories about the pub

The pub and the squat. Where is that piano? We should do a search party for that piano. Somebody will have the piano. She said it was in a pub next door. Have you still got your false eyelashes on, Mum? No, these are from using Rapid Lash. Wow, Mum. That is not an ad. No, honestly, it's from using Rapid Lash. Go on, Len. Thank you, Sharon Horgan, for coming by on a Friday night and...

sharing some bollinger with us thank you to my children who are still awake and it is past nine o'clock do you want to do the outro little man what are you gonna say bye we'll see you next week at leidos a brilliant mind is smart but a brilliant team is smarter

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