437 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Suzanne Humphries
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Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. One, go. Enjoy the show. All right, welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. My name is Adam, joined by good old Sean. Seems to be a weekly thing now. Welcome back, Sean. I'm roping you in, dude. Thank you for having me. I'm roping you back in. I feel like I'm always the, like...

Heavy hitting like deep podcast. I never get like a comedian or anything. No, can we just make a bunch of gay jokes and have fun? Why do we always have to talk about government conspiracy theories? I need I need a real thinker though. Yeah, you read too many books

Not really. I've convinced you. You're more of a Cliff Notes guy? Yeah, Spark Notes. Is that the new? No. If anyone is actually getting their information from Spark Notes and is not doing it to cheat on a test, you need to reevaluate your life. This is true. A YouTube documentary has more information than Spark Notes in a book will give you. Yeah, you can't bullet point a book.

Maybe you can. Maybe you can. Talking about bullet pointing, quick disclaimer for this one.

Is this the first disclaimer we've had on the show? Yeah. This one's kind of a fake bullshit disclaimer, but I wanted to throw it in there because we're doing Dr. Suzanne Humphries. And here's the thing. My family will listen to this and they'll be like, are you an anti-vaxxer now? And I just can't have those conversations. Let's just say I'm a bit of one in some areas. Okay.

Certain ones I don't like. I don't like the COVID vaccine. Does that make me an anti-vaxxer? Maybe. I mean, if you're against one, how many do you need to be against? But listen, the disclaimer is this. Before we jump in, okay?

I'm not endorsing or saying we totally agree with any of these things that are being said. We're riffing. We review. We're chewing on the discussion. We're just thinking about points and adding them into the total info of our lives, right? So...

As we go along, and this is how I do all of the reviews, and I get a lot of criticism for it. People be like, I can't believe that you agree with that. And I'm like, I'm reviewing the thing that was said and saying, oh, if that's true, wouldn't that be wild? Yeah. Doesn't mean I go away and I'm like, we didn't go to the moon then. I didn't necessarily agree with that moon guy, but he brought up some stuff that was like interesting to think about. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah.

Also, you know, the haters are, there's a welcome space for them. Yeah. Just to be clear, none of our names start with doctor. That is not on any government document you will find about any of us. Oh yeah, we cannot be trusted. Do not take medical advice from this episode of the podcast. That being said though, there is a lot of doubt, I feel. Yeah. Have you ever heard of a book, Dissolving Illusions? No.

Maybe I've heard of the name of it. Yeah. I own it. Oh, really? It's good. Who wrote that one? Was that her book? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. It came out a while ago. This was all pre COVID stuff, right? Yeah. It's like 2013, I think. Yeah. That's early on. I got it. I first heard about it maybe 2017. Yeah.

And it was, you know, before any COVID stuff. So it was like fascinating to read, but I didn't take a lot of it seriously. I was just full on board with like, well, vaccines are still good though. But it is interesting to hear about all these things. Obviously, since COVID, you know, things have changed a little bit. But I mean, the book is...

The book is really interesting. I recommend people check it out if you're kind of curious about these sorts of things. When you read the book, was that like the first time that you like thought more about this topic and like put a little bit of doubt in your mind? Or did you kind of go in reading it being like,

like what was your initial impression after reading the book of honestly how did it change your perception of yeah so honestly this isn't like the first book or thing that i watched or read that you know goes against the zeitgeist of what's happening you know it's like i i've always been into like off the wall kind of wacky ideas for things uh especially when it comes to health like i've always liked reading books

that were like, you need to just eat potatoes. And it's like, all right, easy. British book. And it's like some wild diet that, um, you, you ever heard of Penn and Teller? No. The magicians.

They do a lot of illusion things. Well, the bigger guy, he did this diet that was just potatoes that he knew of from this guy. He lost a lot of weight. Did it make him disappear? No, he just got thinner. Oh, almost. I think that the diet is probably whack, but it worked for him. My point is, I would read those types of books. I just read enough to where I'm like, oh, that could be interesting. This one seemed interesting because it went against...

so much of what I thought to be true for medical science. And while I'm reading it, it's like logical. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Also, I had had all those vaccines because I was an adult. I wasn't thinking about having kids. I wasn't in a place where I was like really questioning it. It wasn't like I was going to go out and tell everyone, whoa, easy.

But it just kind of gave me a broader idea of like before that book, I took them all for granted. Like they work 100%. They're the best science. I just kind of threw them in the same category as like, yeah, taking ibuprofen does help with inflammation. But if you take enough of it, your liver will collapse. So they're not good as well.

And it just kind of went there. It just kind of told me that there's nothing that's actually perfect in medical science, which is reasonable, I think. I think that's a trap that you don't want to get in. We always want to be questioning what we're taking and what's going on. Yeah, I agree. And I feel like of all the...

conspiratorial, whatever, put them all in one box topics. The vaccine one is definitely the one that people push back on the most or at least have the most resistance to share the other side about. And I mean, I feel that as well. Like when I... I mean, by a long way though, nobody defends drugs in general. Maybe antibiotics people will defend. But you're right. Vaccines are like the king of the hill for that. Yeah.

Because like, yeah, when you ask people like, what do you think about vaccines? They're like, oh, it's the greatest creation of all time. Like that's how we're able to not collapse as a society. Like that's why we don't have the plague anymore and stuff like that. And I think that's maybe some of that is true, but yeah.

The whole idea that vaccines are good regardless, just blindly accepting them, taking all of them. I think that with any topic, you should always go into it trying to learn a little bit more about it. That was the thing with COVID that I didn't really like. It was so pushed upon that you must get the vaccine, you must get the vaccine. But there wasn't a whole lot of explanation of what it's doing, why it's doing that.

like how this is going to affect us and and also the one that kind of messed with me was people were getting vaccines and they were still transmitting the disease they were still getting the disease it's like isn't that supposed to be the whole point of the vaccine is not to to reduce the spread of this you know like if you've already got covid and you have the antibodies and it didn't get you sick why do you still need the vaccine that was my thinking i only got the first one and then i was like i don't

Like I'm a young kid. I exercise all the time. I'm pretty healthy. Like I, I don't, I don't, I didn't have a confirmed case of COVID. I might've got it at some point. If I did, it was probably asymptomatic. I don't remember getting sick during COVID times. Um, but I was like, if I'm fine, I don't need to take the vaccine, you know?

Yeah. Like my body can fight this off. You weren't allowed to think that. No. Like if anything, if you talked about that openly at certain times, even some of your closest allies and friends would be like, you're a piece of shit, Sean. Oh yeah. It was programmed. It was wild. I feel like I played it smart though. Cause I just got the first one. So whenever people would ask me, Oh, did you get the vaccine? I'd be like, yeah, I got it.

And then whenever people would be like the opposite side would be like, oh, did you get the COVID vaccine? And be like, yeah, but I just got the first one. You know, like I would kind of play to both sides of it. You just, you just. But deep down, I was skeptical. I was super skeptical. Yeah. I mean, the whole kind of thing in her book, and she alludes to this, like with a lot of what she talks about in the podcast is that it's not that the vaccines are

Throughout history have saved us. It's the sanitation, clean water, better food. They did it. Right. Yeah. And this is when no publisher would touch a book. They were like, nah, nah, nah, no chance. Yeah. So they self-published and through that process sold a lot of books. And then eventually the publishers came back and said, Hey, Hey, yeah, no, we're totally publish it. You know, it's going to add legitimacy to it.

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And she was like, fuck off. No. Yeah. That was funny. But Joe brought up a great point. It's like, when do you ever look at a book and you're like, wait, who published this? Yeah. This is an 1860. No one cares about who the publisher is. Yeah, exactly. If it's self-published and it's maybe like talking about flat earth, well, that's on you. Yeah. But otherwise, it's like, well, they figured out how to publish it. I'll read it.

Yeah, I don't think you need to have like the legitimacy of a publisher to make your book like factual or anything. But if you're trying to, I mean, good for her for being able to self-publish and get it out there. But I know for a lot of writers that that path is like basically 0% chance that that's going to work out. For most writers, it is extremely hard even to get publishers to be interested in your topic.

And then if you're like, oh, I'm going to like go away from the publisher is going to do it on my own. It's like no one's going to buy your book most of the time. It's very low probability that people buy a book, even if you do get published. Like the percent of books that actually get read versus the amount that go into print is hugely skewed. Well, especially because things like the New York Times. Is it the New York Times publisher? The bestseller? Yeah. Yeah. It's all bullshit. Oh, yeah. Like they basically buy their way on there.

Oh yeah. And that was highlighted with RFK in his book, the real Anthony Fauci. That was a top seller, but never listed on there because they didn't like, we can't promote this topic. Yeah. We don't like this. Yeah. It's like, okay.

Isn't the idea of like, quote unquote, burning the books all about this like dangerous censorship, you know, dystopian future. Yet, isn't it similar if you control the fucking list of popular books? Yeah. Those are the ones that people pay attention to. But think about it. That would be the same as if Apple Podcasts or Spotify just went, oh, well, Joe Rogan's number one, but we just don't put him on the list. Yeah. Because we don't like the things he talks about.

That's a massive disservice because if it's very popular with people, other people should know. That's why things get five-star reviews. That's why ratings exist. That's why Yelp exists. It's like how else do you know that this piece of shitty furniture that you're buying from Amazon is any good unless you look at the reviews? Yeah.

It's the same thing that like the Academy Awards do, you know, it's like supposed to be this like the vote people bring in the vote for the Grammys and it's like the vote is fake as fuck. It's like they do the same thing. They pick who they want to promote. They pick who they have like contracts with like.

100%. The fact that Predator didn't win any... Predator won with Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't win an Academy Award for most badass movie of all time. Yeah. Ever since then, I knew it was a sham. Beyonce getting the country album of the year. It's like, come on, that's fucking stupid. They're kids. Jay-Z and Beyonce's kids have Grammys. Do you know that there's rumors that Jay-Z basically paid for that Grammy? Oh, no, it is. It's...

it's confirmed pretty much because, um, 50 cent talks about this. Once they signed that, like the best, once they signed that marriage agreement, they started getting all the Grammys. They have like 20 something Grammys between the two of them. And it was after they signed this like marriage agreement and basically bought their way into the establishment.

that they started getting all these awards. But there's so many artists that talk about how fake the Grammys are. All of those. Quick shout out to 50 Cent for being an absolute legend. He is a legend. He's almost like the Alex Jones of rapping. It takes a while before you're like, wait, what? Epstein Island is real? It takes a while for some of his prophecies. He's ahead of the time.

My favorite one is when one of the talk show hosts or whatever it is was talking about how much money 50 Cent has. And he totally plays into it, but he's like, you have a lot of money too. I don't remember which one of the stupid comedians are doing those shows now, but it was one of them. And it wasn't any of the Kimmel's. It was one of the other guys. I can't remember. One of the annoying ones.

Colbert. Yeah, it was Colbert. And he's like, you've been on TV for how many seasons? It's like over 10 seasons. He's like, you have a lot of money too. This is big money. Like, don't act like you're amongst the people. Like, you have just as much money as I do, motherfucker. It's so true. And he tries to like play it down and shit. It's so funny. But he calls him out so hard. I love it. I absolutely love it. Next up, vaccine trials. This is always a big thing.

And it's kind of contentious because it's like, you know, they still did their trials. The trials are good. It's like the discussions I've had with people where like I always go in like, well, what? How do we know they did? Like, well, we just got to believe in the scientists did that. They did all the trials. I'm like, did they? Yeah. Where does it say that? How can we be sure?

Are we allowed to ask? That's where it got weird. And, you know, Suzanne, Dr. Humphries, sorry, respect, was like, well, she went hard on those trials and said they're not scientific and they're just getting worse, which is a bold statement.

right no saline placebos just vaccines on vaccine tests hiding like the real risks and then you know she kind of talks about the aluminum in there mercury she calls out pfizer um only 252 people got the e coli version which is like how they made it before billions of people did

Really? They did a whole trial on 250 people? Seems like a small group. What, were they doing it in Bozeman? Yeah. Get some more people. Well, there was a lot of the same stuff that RFK was talking about when he went on Rogan a while ago and when he started being really popular way before the presidency. During COVID, actually, he was talking about how the COVID tests and the trials that they were doing were not regulated correctly and they were...

misinforming people on the actual results and like moving goalposts to make themselves seem like it was all accurate and

That was kind of the start, at least for me, of what put the idea that the medical industry does not have our best interests at heart. At least not fully. There's a lot of fucked up shit going on there. And a lot of it, especially these big pharmaceutical companies, are just so greedy, so money hungry. That's what a lot of it is. Well, you could imagine that because there's so many levels to it, right? It's like the people doing the actual science...

Often it's very specialized, so it's all divided up. You're doing enzymes, you're doing this one, you're doing pill production, something like that. You're gaining this kind of ketone for this

molecule that we're then going to change into this racemic index of some other compound, and then they make the pharmaceutical. All those people to that level, even within the system that they work in, can be pumped up, motivated, educated with this whole PowerPoint of, we're helping people, it's about saving lives, it's about this and that. Yet,

At a different level, there's like the sales team, the marketing team, the PR team, how they get the message out, you know, the lobbyists that deal with government. And they're like, well, we need to make sure that we can't be sued for these things because they represent the company. So it's not like everyone together is this evil thing.

type of individual that's just like, oh yeah, we're just in it for money. I'm sure there are plenty of levels of people really doing their best. But ultimately, it seems like as a whole, when you're looking at the picture, it's like a massive moneymaker. They hope it works, but the technology just isn't there. They don't really do it well. And then there's this whole back end where you can't sue them.

Oh, yeah. That's the scary part is when they pay for immunity and stuff like that. That's scary. But yeah, I mean, you bring up a good point is like, I think this is true with a lot of the corrupt organizations that are out there is you have a lot of people working on the ground level that are decent, good people that are actually trying to help people.

and doing it for the good of their heart. They're genuinely good people. But the overall direction that the company is moving and the message and everything like that is so skewed and they're moving in the complete opposite direction. But the people working on those levels, like the lower levels, don't understand fully what's going on. And

But it's not their fault. You know what I'm saying? It's not fair to get mad at them. You got to get mad at the people who are in control. The people who are actually moving the chess pieces and pushing things in certain directions. The woman that works at the DMV is a bitch just because she's getting underpaid and her life sucks. But that doesn't mean that everyone in the government is a cunt. There are a lot of good people in government and there are a lot of people who are actually doing good things. It's just...

the overall organization is moving in a direction. Like the people who are pulling the strings are the ones to blame. And those people are always, no one knows who they are. No one knows. And they have immunity too. Yeah. Right. So here's a mind blower. So Dr. Humphrey says that arsenic poisoning is like mimics the polio's neurological damage, like paralysis and neuropathy. Right. So this one, it was like,

It's a tough sell. It's like conspiracy level things. But let's just assume that she has looked at this, the research made sense, and I don't know how she could go down a path of just –

like making this up. Like that's where I question it, but it's like DDT and Mercurials to think livestock and those dips that they had in the forties. So she's arguing that tons of polio cases are,

were misdiagnosed toxin hits, not viruses. Tons of toxins. So once the vaccines rolled out, they relabeled the leftovers of some sort of thing, and then they cut the toxins. Like, yeah, that sounds super conspiratorial, but like...

I don't know. How do you even check that that could be true? Other than like, oh, I believe her. I'll take her word for it. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, I really wonder how she went about doing all this research. And I'm curious where the information is coming from because you look into these things, like even just Google search or any one talking point, and all the results you see are pro. Pro vaccine, pro everything. It's very hard to find

Not pro-information. Which, maybe it's because it's good. Maybe there's that. That's what we've got to believe. That's the hard part about this. And that's what makes it confusing for the average person.

Listener or just people who are curious is it's very hard to do research on your own and figure it out Like you're in the doctor doctor's office They give you three choices of what you're about to do to whoever like you got to get this vaccine and you're like trying to Look up this shit on your phone. It's like good luck, dude, right? Good luck this woman spent how long did she spend and she was living in her? What was it a tent? Yeah. Yeah a tense doing research for years

Like that's hardcore. And she knew people would shit on her. Like here's the thing. If she sounded or seemed, and like you can't understand someone just from a few hours of an interview, but like there are actually recluse people out there. They have a type of way about them. It doesn't take long to figure out who recluses are. They're often introverts and...

kind of withdrawn and skeptical of humanity as a whole. There's also people that are self-destructive that exist. The kind of people that would write a book that are like happily will get them a ton of attention, even though they know there's a lot of hate behind it and people will discredit them. She doesn't seem to fit any of those categories.

Psychologies to me. So then I'm thinking, well, why would you spend this time doing this, knowing that this is going to hit so hard unless you were really seeing some things lining up? Yeah. Like the difficult question there is like, how good of a researcher is she, you know, comparatively and yeah.

At the same time, it's like kind of logical. And this is why I think so. I don't know how they diagnose things for polio in the past. I don't even know much about polio, right? I've seen a couple of people that, you know, years ago suffered from it and still have like an arm that's all fucked up or like it was bad. However, well, ironically, they were ranchers as well, which really...

Lined up with what she was saying, but that could just be a coincidence But then I also know how they were diagnosing kovat and especially kovat deaths during kovat Yeah, remember when they were signing at almost every type of thing and hospitals were incentivized to be like that was a kovat death Yeah, these old people died of kovat. Yeah, because of more people if you could report more people died from kovat in your hospital You were granted more funding. Yeah, so

It does kind of line up for that reason. It's like, well, it would make sense that in the 40s, diagnosing what is polio, especially if people are getting this like arsenic poisoning at the same time or whatever was, was it, it was arsenic, right?

Yeah. If that was what was poisoning them as well, and the signs were very similar, because every diagnosis is not the same. It's not like they have a special tool like on Star Trek. Yeah, this was back in the fucking 40s and 50s. Yeah, where they like scan your body and it's like, oh, polio. You gotta like guess stuff. They're like, oh, your body's not working on the left side? Probably polio.

So we need to make a vaccine. And then they clean up certain things. I mean, she did say something like three. So lifespan is increased. And we often assign that to like modern medicine. Like, oh, we live way longer because of this. And she's saying that through studies, that it's actually only 3.5% of that is attributed to modern medicine.

The rest of it is like clean water, better food. We're not taking shit water anymore. Yeah. You know, it's like people used to drink fucking puddle water not long ago. Oh yeah. That's bad. Shitting in the streets. Yeah. It's just wearing you out. It's just wearing your immune system like slowly just, you know. One of the things that I liked about her was she...

made an insistence a lot of times on the importance of nutrition and just general health things. I feel like a lot of medical professionals miss this a lot of times, or it's a later conversation of like, oh, you're having this and that issues. You need to have some sort of medication or, oh, you didn't get this, whatever shot or something like that. But a lot of

Especially during COVID, I mean, this was incredibly obvious, was the amount of time, like no one was saying that during COVID of like, hey, let's work on your diet or let's work on some exercise or whatever it is. There was never that conversation. It was always like, did you get the vaccine? Are you taking your whatever vaccine?

pills they're prescribing or whatever it is. It's, it's, and I feel like a lot of the medical industry suffers from this a lot. And I felt this a lot as a kid is it's not like, Hey, can we work on these problems from a behavioral side of things? Or let's look at your lifestyle or health or, you know, your diet, stuff like that. It's like, Oh, there's a chemical imbalance. We have to fix this with medicine, you know?

Yeah. There's never the discussion of how is your general health overall? Are you eating enough vegetables? Are you exercising? Are you sleeping enough? Like there's never that conversation. That's a good question. And it was a good thing to think about because at the beginning of COVID, and I don't know if like the younger generation, how old were you when COVID started? I just graduated high school. Jeez. So yeah. Yeah. I was 18 years old. Just 18.

In a lot of ways, starting life, right? I mean, that's like, oh, I'm just now not being a kid, right? So I'd been an adult for a while and I believed in all the systems and all the processes. And I felt like the government knew how to take care of us. All of a sudden this thing drops. And I noticed that we weren't getting any information like that about being healthy. I was like, but wait, you're saying it's really bad.

So because we isolated, and I don't know how you had to isolate or were you just at home with your parents? Funny story. I actually got kicked out of my parents' house for smoking weed right before we got kicked out of school for COVID. Or...

Yeah, literally right before we got kicked out of school for COVID. And I was living with my best friend at the time. And then they canceled school. And then the whole pandemic like kind of shut down. But I was lucky enough because everyone wanted to go home. I was living in a college town. This was when I was in Florida. And there was a bunch of like really inexpensive sublets because people just wanted to get out there. So I was able to get an apartment by myself.

And I still had my job and everything, but I was basically by myself. I mean, I would hang out with my friends sometimes, but yeah, I mean, I was, I was by myself most of the time during COVID. And the lockdown wasn't crazy in Florida, right? For the most part? Not at first. No, they were really weird about it. But in general, I would say it was pretty loose. Like Florida got a lot of shit.

early on. Oh yeah. Kind of throughout the whole pandemic of not following lockdown procedures and being pretty loosey goosey. It turns out they all lived. Yeah. It's fine. But at the time I was fully into it. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, why are they throwing a company lunch at work? Like this, we're going to, uh, spread the virus. And I was totally with that too. Like I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was being ignorant to it.

at first. I had to battle with that later when I got more skeptical. But at first I was like, oh, we can't work. I was in LA and they were real fairly strict. Yeah, California was the worst. Well, New York might've been worse than Manhattan, but Cali was up there, right? And people took it seriously. They really did. Like literally all my friends, there was no discussion of like, fuck this, we're going to hang out. It was like,

Let's just stay in our places. But I'll tell you what we do. We're all get on Zoom. And remember when Zoom stuck? So we would do these like really great. And a lot of people out there are comedians, actors, like screenwriters. They're trying to do cool stuff. So they love this. It was like this area to perform almost. Oh, yeah. And we would I would set up like through the day, like, you know, whether I set them up or other people just had them going. It was like three or four people.

Like of these like hour long zoom moments.

Meetups with all these different groups of people. It was like weirdly more social than my regular social life So it was like a way for us all to kind of connect and we we'd be back and forth I'm like, what are you doing about this? What's going on here and people would throw ideas around and it quickly became in just that world It was like hey guys Start working out if you haven't done it like that's one of the quickest ways to get healthy This could be really fucking serious get healthy and

People were talking about green juices, you know, non-sugary green juices. Oh, yeah. Blend them up. We could still go to the store. You have to, like, separate and wait in line and two people down one aisle and all that bullshit. But you could still go do it. And people were green juicing. I was watching people getting in shape. I was getting in shape. I had this kettlebell in my front room. And I worked out, like, a normal amount before that, you know, a few times a week, just a

you know, keep your body together. I mean, I was 38 or nine at the time, close to that. So it was like, yeah, you got to work out. Otherwise you just fall apart. But I had this kettlebell and every time I walked past it, whether I went to the restroom or just had to go through my living room, I would do a kettlebell set. Oh, there you go. It started being like a hundred plus pounds.

kettlebell swings a day and I just started getting great shape and I was like, oh, this seems like the way and like what type of nutrients are you taking all the rest of it? However,

That was not what they were saying on the news. That was not what they were saying on TV. There was nothing, no talk of that at all. Even taking vitamins, no one said shit about that. And vitamin D was a big one, and that's very cheap. And zinc, yeah. And zinc, I remember. They can get you zinc and vitamin D for the trillions that that costs the US economy. They could have sent packages of supplements and vitamins and, well, same thing, but...

Also, probably even meals to people. Oh, yeah. You know, like low sugar, healthy meals. I mean, you know, so it isn't even like a cost thing. There was some other motivation there. And it was just the kind of like it seemed to just throw us towards this idea that nothing else will help.

Except isolating yourself, which is the most depressing thing a human can do. It's like the biggest punishment they give you in prison. And you're already in prison. Yeah. And then take this vaccine that it turns out they tested on 250 people before they gave it to billions. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, too, with the whole vaccine one is.

There's like no gray area. It's like you have to take the vaccines. And it's crazy too. Like even just from a business perspective, like forget the fact that it's a drug. If you somehow convince everyone in the world from birth that they need to take something and it's a requirement. And if you don't, you'll be chastised and called an anti-vaxxer and lose your job or whatever else comes with that. Yeah. Like that would be crazy. The amount of control that you have is insane to do that.

Yeah. I mean, you could imagine a world where if that was never questioned, it would be like 50 times a year. You got to go in for your jabs. I know so many people that would go in and get their boosters all the time. And they were so proud of it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, I've had a bunch of shots. And they're like, how many times do you have COVID? And they're like five. And you're like, how does that work? I don't get it.

Yeah, bless them. Thank God for my closest friends that I could still talk shit to and they wouldn't get too defensive about it. I'd just be like, seriously? One of the things that freaked me out in it was she said in a 1984 registrar went out to all the medical people and said, this is what she said, quote, any doubts whether or not well-founded about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist.

So anything bad you have to say about this, we can't accept. Can't accept any pushback. It's all positive. All of it. That's not good. That's scary. Yeah, that's really scary. Yeah. That one freaks me out. Because give me another thing that could be true about. Nothing. You know, and they do that when we go to war.

Like they do like after 9-11, it was like everyone was pumped to like go kill someone. Yeah. We are real mad about those buildings. Oh, yeah. That may or may not get to that. But we are real mad. So it was like, who do we get? Who? Yeah. And they just like jump to Iraq. That didn't do it.

they didn't even try to frame Iraq with it. They were just like, oh yeah, we're going there now. We're invading Iraq, yeah. They probably had something to do with it. But we're mad anyway, so let's get someone. I mean, it just like slipped right in. And it happened so quick too. It was hard to be like an anti-war person then, for sure. Yeah. You know, to just be like, yeah, we're not doing anything. But this idea that...

Other treatments can't be... Like, to do the Emergency Authorization Act thing... Oh, yeah. The requirements for it are that it means that nothing else works. Like, the point of the emergency authorization saying...

there can't be anything else that works, means, it doesn't mean make everything that works not sound like it works. It means if- This is the last resort. Yeah. It means if nothing else works, if we're absolutely fucked, it's basically martial law and we go. But it turns out that's not how it worked at all. All they had to do is be like, what is that? Chloroquine? What's that one called? Something in chloroquine.

And then... I'm not sure. Oh, that and the horse that wormer, ivermectin. And these other ones, these peptides and some other shit that they were using. They basically just demonized them all, shut them off, made them impossible to get.

you know, made Joe Rogan look like an idiot for using him. Yeah. I mean, the whole horse, the woman thing was just like, what? Yeah. I think for, at least for me, and I bet this is the same for a lot of people, the whole COVID situation, the way it was handled, the aftermath of that, all the stuff that's come out afterwards has put a lot of doubt in my mind about the medical establishment and the way that they do things and the efficacy behind it. Hmm.

Like, obviously, there's no doubt that we need some sort of a medical program. Like, we can't just have a bunch of people dying. But the fact that the way that everything is set up is so it's just set up on making money. You know, it's not about helping people. It's about how can we stronghold the industry and have our products be the only one available and we'll buy immunity and we just want to make money. You know, it's it's terrible.

Yeah, we can't go back to just rubbing garlic on our wounds. I get it. But there are elements of the idea that modern Western medicine can't say, other than a very brief, off-the-cuff, like, well, yeah, exercise and eat good, that's important. But to be like, food heals you.

You know, that should be like a big part of the discussion. I mean, it's kind of common sense. What you put in your body is going to have an effect on the way that you feel, you know, and people underestimate that a lot. As well as like not only what the medical establishment is doing, but a lot of when you listen to RFK and there's been a lot of other people talking about just the food industry in the U.S. especially, just how fucking terrible all of it is for us. It is so fucking wild, the RFK runs.

the hhs now i'm like the fact that he would listen to this podcast and like agree with everything

the doctor is talking about for sure he would be like fuck yeah that's true like i talked about that in my book and that right and now he's in charge of this thing it's yeah he's been getting some pushback from that though hasn't he recently i've heard a lot of because a lot of the young people who were rfk fans like for him running for president i know a lot of them have kind of turned well yeah i mean he jumped over to trump's side yeah like that's

It's reasonable that he was going to lose some people. Yeah. Right. But the damn, like fucking Kamala wasn't going to pull him on board. So now he's in the position he wanted to be in other than be the president and he can make the changes that he sees fit. And, you know, I mean, it was a good move for what you needed to do.

I think. Yeah. But obviously it was going to upset some people. And, you know, I also support where they're at. Like, I don't think that everybody should have gone that direction. I just liked him. And to me, it like, I liked Tulsi. I liked him. And, um,

That kind of made me like Trump a bit more. I gotta say. Because I was like, well, at least some people I really liked, I would have voted just for him if I had voted. Yeah, I would have definitely voted for RFK.

And I'm hopeful. Like he talked a lot about banning a lot of the dyes and shit that they're putting in our food nowadays. Like red 40 is literally they've had tests and shown that it makes young boys more aggressive. And like, I knew people, I knew I had a buddy when I was living in Florida, I was in, I think middle school. And, um,

First couple times I hung out with this dude his mom was like hey by the way not a big deal But don't give him red Gatorade and I was like oh, okay Why and she's like oh he becomes like really aggressive and I was like huh whoa really really and

She was like, yeah, we've figured out that like red this she didn't mention the dye But she was like yeah red dyes are like make him aggressive and she and he was a pretty chill dude Like I could definitely tell that he could he had the tendencies to become an aggressive dude, but he was chill But yeah, his mom was like we figured it out. Yeah, it's it's red red dye that does it for him That's what makes him more aggressive I mean look I think about it my entire life until I guess kind of recently when all this shit came out and now I actively avoid

red 40 and any kind of dyes i did buy a box of pop-tarts the other day though so well yeah you would have to buy junk food to have it yeah i'm not gonna buy those off-brand pop-tarts it's like ass that's a good point those organic pop-tarts are yeah yeah just but don't eat pop-tarts

Yeah. Like you're a grown-up now, dude. Yeah, that's true. And that's kind of, you know. Kind of childish. It's baby food. Yeah. It's like when grown-ups tell me they still have cereal. What? And I just shake my head. You can't be against cereal. Dude, cereal, come on. Dom, have eggs.

A bowl of Reese's Puffs is a way better meal than anything that has ever come out of a British person's kitchen. I'm not going to defend that. I'm not going to. The big thing about RFK, though, that I'm wondering is like, okay, so you got these dyes out. That's cool. But it always seems like they get to do very little. You know, it's like even I think even Obama's wife was like,

doing this health thing for a while and was like really coming out and like met all the cereal companies and met everyone and is like, yeah, we're going to make kids healthier. And then it just ended up being like, we just got to move more. Yeah. And it turned into this like big dance that she did. And I'm like, huh? Now, obviously there's a lot of pressure and a lot of money from these companies. Oh yeah. But like,

RFK's kind of broken through that a little bit. He's got one of the big fast food places to do beef tallow instead of whatever shitty seed oils they had before, which is great. I think it was Shake Shack? Shake Shack, yeah. I was going to say Shake and Bake. I'm like, that's not right.

Yeah, Shake Shack did it. Good for them. But the big ones are like, he's talked a lot about mercury and like methylmercury in these different like flu vaccines and MMR type shots that they give kids, like these being bad. Is he going to be powerful enough to remove this? Is there a logical...

for that to happen. Yeah, I hope so. There's a lot of backing by the other side, though. I mean, you have to not only go against...

All of the lobbyists and all of the things like that, but you have to disprove all of these things, which is incredibly hard to do. And then all of their fake studies that they've done, you somehow have to prove that those are fake. And then they have to develop ones that are actually good and all this stuff. It seems like a very, very strong uphill battle. Yeah. Because yeah, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical industry, especially in the U S is so powerful. It's so powerful. So much money. These companies have so much money. Yeah.

So much money. It was something like 75% of the advertising for like TV is pharmaceutical companies. Like think about what that means. Yeah. It's crazy. I'm surprised that people aren't talking about how great pharmaceuticals are in like regular TV shows.

Where they're just like, oh, yeah. You know, it's like friends and they're like, oh, I feel great today after taking all this cold medicine. Yeah. You know, it's just like that is. However, on the flip side, you've got they want to give COVID shots to six month olds. Yeah. So that one's a little weird. So I think the fatality risk is something like point zero one percent.

Like in the tens of thousands. Yeah. And then they risk myocarditis for this. And then it like fucks up stem cell stuff. And like, there's some like real measurable things that are negative. Yeah. And you know, that's, that's a reasonable thing to think about. Look, I have a one year old, right? She's going through her shot. She had some vaccines. I was going to, I was going to ask, but I didn't want to bring it up. Uh,

How are you navigating that with her? Well, I'll tell you what I my wife is she's very liberal So she's like pro the process and her parents are like hey, you gotta have all these and You know all this any of the eventual schools that she's gonna go to require these things So like I do feel those pressures. Also, I feel like the pressure that hey, I don't fucking know enough. I

You know, to like, I'm going to feel like a real asshole if she gets measles. And I'm like, well, I still stick by what I believe. And then she's just like, oh my God, dad, thanks a lot. Science existed, you idiot. But there were a few adjustments I made. I didn't want to be completely pigeonholed. They wanted to give her Hep B day one. And when this tiny little thing was presented to me,

Day one of being born. I was like hold the phone. Yeah, I don't think she's gonna get Hepatitis B you tested the mother I don't have it unless one of the nurses sneezes in her face or however the hell you get I'm pretty sure it's like mostly Intravenous drug use and like it's not super easy to get it Anyway, I assumed all the nurses were clean and I was like I'm gonna give her a month and

to like just exist and just, you know, cry herself out, do what she needs and then maybe do that. So she's like kind of late on that one. I didn't do the COVID one. I did the flu one, but not the combination. So often the combination ones have the mercury in from what I understand. Oh, really? And yeah, we've just kind of like really spread them out.

And, you know, there was some time we were in Europe and we didn't get them then. So she's just had like extra time to kind of develop her immune system. But also that's my point. I'm not like totally against it too. It's just like, I just don't know enough of it. But I think it's like worth questioning what kind of sucks about it.

is it's hard to get the information. Anytime you do Google it, mostly they're like, you should take them all. This is how it works. And then you get these fringe people, like we're talking about, that are like, no, I don't think you should have any. And I know people that are like, I'm not giving my kids any. I haven't. And their kids are alive and fine.

and not autistic yeah so what was the um reaction like did you get any pushback when you uh when they when you said no to any of the vaccines was there like uh do they get upset at you or anything oh no the doctors and i mean maybe i didn't i wouldn't have paid attention

Because I know later in life, if you don't have a lot of this stuff, it's really hard. Like I knew a kid in high school who his mom was weird. He was a weird kid too. But I guess she was like an anti-vaxxer and he didn't have his vaccines. And before he went to college, he got like a scholarship to Dartmouth. And before he went to college...

they required him to get a shot. They're like, we're not going to accept you unless you get these vaccine shots. Really? So he had to go and do them. Record-breaking global sensation Chris Brown presents Breezy Bowl 20 live across North America in 2025 with special guests Summer Walker and Bryson Tiller. Get tickets now at LiveNation.com. Oh, that's interesting. I don't remember a college ever asking me for my medical records.

I remember when I applied, they wanted to have proof that I had my shots because I had to go in during high school. I had to go in during high school to get some. They should question that. They're like, this guy's fucked up. Hold on. How tall is this guy? No, they were like, this guy's too smart. We need to nerf him and make him dumber so he doesn't make a mockery of our school and get his degree in two weeks. You'd love to believe that. Yeah.

Huh. Okay. So they do ask for medical. Yeah. I don't, uh, maybe they did with me. I don't remember. I, I wouldn't have questioned it because probably I would have already had all those things. Maybe it just ran through. Um, so was it harder on him as an individual to have those later in life? Um, I don't think so. I'm not friends with him anymore. I don't talk to him anymore. He was kind of a piece of shit. So, um, but regardless, I ran out to that guy. Yeah.

regardless I remember him talking about that and complaining about that and I was like I mean at the time I was like dude that's tough shit sorry your mom didn't love you you know like sorry your mom's a weird hippie well you live in the woods you can go too far the other way as well I mean for sure it's hard to draw the line though but to be fair he lived he still lived he was actually he was a really arrogant dude and so it was really funny um

We did rowing in high school. That's how we got into Dartmouth was through a rowing scholarship. And I heard once he got into Dartmouth, it's like a big party school. And so he got like really slow and gained a bunch of weight and got fat from drinking, which was hilarious because he never drank at all in high school. No way. He was like very like PC and...

Very like chill. He was a weirdo though. He's kind of creep too, but it was Yeah, it was just kind of funny when the news came back everyone on the team was like, huh? He wasn't really that good. He became fat got slow

I did notice that the friends of mine that used to give me a hard time for like either hosting or going to parties that had booze. Like I'd have like real, like never, I'm never drinking. Oh yeah. I give myself to Jesus or maybe they weren't even religious. They were just like, I don't do that. And yeah, they try and make me feel terrible about it. And I just always would say the same thing. I'm like, bro, you're going to grow up.

Get in your 20s, go to college, realize you missed out and go too hard. Yeah, that happens a lot. You got to realize this is just like not...

a big deal if you just, you know, it's not like I'm blacking out at 14. Yeah. So it's just like, Hey, it's not. Yeah. Obviously we're breaking some rules. People can do that. Yeah. It's not the worst thing ever. Yeah. Cause there's the lessons you got to learn and drinking when you're young and everyone that has a good relationship with booze, like from kind of like the beginning of it until now,

now didn't have like moments where they were just like really being a mess with the kids that I would say responsibly drank in a high school. Yeah. You know, I'm not condoning it for the listeners out there, but also like easy with everyone that does it is bad thing because eventually you'll be old enough to do it.

And, you know, there's a good chance you'll go too hard. Yeah. Because you won't have a healthy relationship. You won't understand. You won't know when it's too much, yeah. 100%.

What did you think about the nicotine COVID connection? That was interesting. Now, I don't know if it's just because I'm a bit of a Zen guy that I'm always trying to look for the positives. Now, I don't want to do it to the detriment. I'm not trying to be like, yeah, smoking is good for your health. No, it's not. It's real bad. But nicotine is natural compound, right? Yeah. I guess arsenic and-

you know, a bunch of terrible compounds are also natural, but it's like nicotine is a naturally very addictive compound that seems to be fairly non-toxic.

and has potentially nootropic effects. It's a stimulant. There are some concerns. - It's just how you put it in your body. The bad part about- - Well, in your mouth. You can't go the other way. - Well, no, I'm just saying the issue is how you get your nicotine. So the problem with smoking cigarettes is all the other carcinogens and the tar that builds up in your lungs. That's why smoking cigarettes isn't healthy.

The nicotine doesn't cancel it out, but you are right. Nicotine as a compound by itself is not in itself harmful. It is addictive.

And there are downsides, but it's not going to kill you necessarily. But it's the act of smoking cigarettes or like people who do dip, you know, it's like bad for your gums or whatever it is. Same thing with Zins probably a little bit. Zins are probably the, I say this like I'm a medical expert, but Zins are probably the safest form of nicotine. Well, I'll ask you this. Anecdotally, you do Zins, are your gums fucked up?

No. Are they bleeding? Are they sore? No, I'm pretty new to this shit, though. But, I mean, I used to smoke cigarettes. We both used to smoke cigarettes. Don't throw me under the bus, bro. We used to smoke them together, bitch. That was before you had your kid. Secret six.

And yes, cigarettes are terrible. I could feel it. You do feel with zins, it kind of suppresses your appetite a little bit, but not nearly as much as cigarettes. And there's no way they're carcinogenic. Yeah. I thought it was funny, though, in the podcast. Before we get off that, the nicotine connection is that there are receptors...

that nicotine binds to that covid also would so if you had higher levels of nicotine in your system even if you were like being a smoker which is unhealthy you had better protection against covert which is like a weird irony yeah like just random as but then at the same time a lot of well it's hard to say a lot of people that were dying from covid quote unquote were dying because

Because they had like respiratory issues or heart failure or whatever it is and some of that does come from smoking But a lot of it was just people being out of shape and like overweight and you know things like that But yeah, I thought it was I thought it was interesting and it I have known People who smoke before and they're like, yeah, I never get sick. I

And then you hear them like hack up a lung when they're smoking, you know, but they never get the flu. I saw a great Instagram the other day and it's like one of those like fake news network ones. Like it's obviously a joke, but it just showed like scientific researcher interviewed like all these thousands of people that got over a hundred years old.

And they found two items, you know, that are like what makes, like how they got there. And it just shows like a packet of Marlboros and whiskey. And it's always that thing, right? It's like the 122-year-old dies and she had a cigarette every week and always had some, you know, wine every night. Yeah.

the irony there is it's like well those aren't the things that kept her alive right it was like a lot of other elements but it's funny it's funny and it's good they interviewed this one old lady I think she was like 93 or something like that and she was drinking a Dr. Pepper and they're like Dr. Pepper she's like yeah this has been keeping me alive the whole time and she's like yeah I had two doctors told me to stop but both of them died before me and

it's hard to argue that right yeah i mean it really is um okay so the last thing i want to go over really with this is and there's so much to cover in this podcast i mean you got to listen to it it's like we can't do it justice for this but you know the autism thing is an issue a vaccine autism related thing it gets downplayed they're saying no connection

Again, I think that they're really leaning hard on any data that could potentially point to the possibility of that. They really don't want any connection. And I think that there's some propaganda in there. I think there's some covering up. I don't know if it's huge, but there definitely seems to be a rise in autism. It's also reasonable to assume that

you know, diagnosing it in the past was not as efficient as it is today, that type of thing. But, you know, I am suspicious of the there is absolutely no connection thing. Yeah, because that's the one that they push back the most on. They really do. Well, because they would. Imagine, like, you don't have kids, right? And when we first met, I didn't. I wasn't thinking about it.

But as soon as I did, and this whole thing of vaccines were like, oh, now you've got to get this. The idea, and I don't want to give anyone who has autistic kids...

Shit for that. It's like, God bless you. And record breaking global sensation. Chris Brown presents breezy bowl 20 live across North America in 2025 with special guests, summer Walker and Bryson Tiller get tickets now at live nation.com. You know, I know some autistic kids and they're beautiful, beautiful people.

but it's like I worry so much it's like she's learning words she's doing these things she's looking at me and I'm like ah you know you're always trying to minimize challenges for your kids right I mean of course that's what you want you want them to be healthy and attractive and all the things and there be whatever they are and you'll love them the same but the idea that it could suddenly just happen from a couple of jabs yeah and you just can't possibly know all the information it's like

Just give it to us. What's the worst that could happen if you just give us all of that information? You're like, yeah, 10% of them will be autistic if they get these jabs. Also, it's pretty bad when they don't get the jabs because they will get polio. So it's like just try and give it to us straight. Let the people think for themselves. They don't want to. Yeah, I would be curious about the actual data behind that. But that's always the one that...

Like whenever you mention anti-vax and people go down the route of, oh, it causes autism, that's always like the flipping switch where people really push back on that. And they're like, no, it's well established that it doesn't. Like there's lots of data and this and that. Like I bet if you did a quick Google search, it would take you a long time to find some viewpoint for autism.

uh, you know, in the anti-vax corner saying, saying that confirming it. And maybe it's for good reason. Maybe it's not true, whatever this, that, the other, but that is always the one that people seem to fight the most against. You get the most resistance whenever you mentioned that one vaccine conversation. It's very true. Yeah.

It's very true. Well, listen, guys, go out, listen to this one. It's really good. Also, towards the end, she talked about getting kicked off YouTube for like talking about vitamin C pre-COVID, which is like what? And

Then she couldn't get on Twitter forever. They like kicked her off and she couldn't get back on, but she eventually got back on. She said she lost her like 90,000 followers or whatever she had, but she's back on there. So go follow her. I looked at it today.

She got 50,000 overnight after being on Rogan. And she's now at 172,000 as of today. So it's increasing. And good for her. Get your message out there. Like, fuck social media for, like, trying to block you from that. It doesn't mean that this is, you know, that you shouldn't get a voice.

And it doesn't mean that you're right about everything that you say, but this is America, man. Yeah. Do your own research. I love it. All right. Thanks guys. As always. Pleasure. Talk to you guys next week.

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