433 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Chris Hughes
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This man scared me a little bit. Really? Yeah. What was your initial feelings? Well, he's very smart, but what I'm realizing when I'm... Because he's talking about mind control and persuading people and all of this stuff. And he's talking about you take an... Spit it out. Yeah.

I can't even think of the word authoritarian. That's the one authoritarian figure and how easy it is to persuade someone who's, you know, very open and suggestible. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, fuck, is he doing this to me right now? Like as I'm listening to this? Yeah, that's a good point.

But it's like if everybody listening is that and you capture that type of audience with your podcast, then everything you could be saying is bullshit. You just got to say it in the right way. People are all about it. Yeah. Well, it's always – it made me think too like I'm sure most people have met someone –

wherever it is, some sort of social gathering, someone you didn't know at all. And then you start talking with them even for just a brief, brief period of time. And you're like, wow, this guy's great. And you can't really pinpoint what it is about them. You don't know them, obviously, so you don't know the quality of the person that they are. But just the way that they say things and their demeanor and the way that they conversate with you

You're just like, wow, there's something about this person that I really like and I trust them. And, you know, it's so crazy how easily someone can get in there. And then you're like all of a sudden doing coke in an alley with them. It's crazy how quick that happens. That was it seemed like a very personal experience. That happens about three times a month. OK. Yeah. Hmm.

Different alley each time, though. That's why I fall for it. I'm like, shit, we're not going to Home Depot this time, so it must be different. Well, I think more people are susceptible to this than want to admit. I mean, he brought up that experiment where people will shock others, right?

or think that they are shocking them. And then they get to these like higher and higher electrical charge amounts. And then it's like a fatal one and they keep going. But they weren't actually killing the people. No. Okay. Thank God. They're just like screaming on the other end of a,

a thing and then they go quiet. Yeah. And they only had like, what was it? An hour beforehand to like talk them, talk to them and basically convince them of this. I wonder what they said to those people. Like you must have to really build animosity between the person that's doing it and the person that you're doing it to, you know, like, I don't, I don't think that they are required to hate them. I think they're just required to understand that they are in charge of

And they are required to administer these shots and they will be told when to administer them based on the responses. So someone in a lab coat that has authority over you or the individual in the experiment will tell you, okay, now shock them after that. And they just, it was a hundred percent. Wow. Everyone did it. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah, it's wild. I mean, since it's so common that everyone will do it, what does it mean to the individual that is like, no, I won't. Like, are they the type of humans that are, I don't know, self-destructive or constantly bickering with everyone? They're just like the loners with no friends. Like, that's kind of the person that it takes. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. Yeah, I wish that they...

I'd love to look into it because it'd be interesting to see like what types of people, uh,

went far with it. What types of people were a little bit more timid? When did they come around? How did they come around? On an individual basis looking at it. Because if it's such crazy odds, most people are doing this. It'd be interesting to see why they're doing it and who are they and what about them made them decide that. I think it was just kind of across the board. All types of people were willing to just sit there with authority telling them to administer this.

And they were willing to just let it happen, even if they were unsure or uncomfortable about it. Like that's, that's kind of, it's shocking. Yeah. It's not what you would think the outcome would be, but it's, you know, that's what happens. And really when you hear those numbers, you have to assume you'd be the same. You'd be the same, yeah. And it's, it's like, yeah, I wonder what kind of situation I'd need to be in.

To just be like, okay, zap. Yeah. Zap away. Had you ever heard of Methylene Blue that he kept talking about? No. It was like the subtext of the whole conversation. Chris was like, it was almost like he was selling Methylene Blue. He was making some bold claims. He was making a lot of bold claims in there. Yeah. It was funny, like what I was saying earlier about how he...

Like, I wonder if some of the stuff he was saying was working on me. Like, I noticed that especially because he said at some point in the podcast, he was like,

Yeah, I'm probably the most qualified person on mind control in the US. He's like, I'm definitely the most qualified person on mind control. And maybe that's true or not, but that's very... The way he said it was very confident and all of this stuff. I don't know what the fuck methylene blue is. Well, back to that. It was a very cocky thing to say. Like, have you met all the people that know everything about the mind control? He hadn't even read that book about...

The Manson stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, all right. Well, if you were the top guy, you would know all this stuff. Yeah. Especially because that book put a big wave in things, you know? It really did. For people in that sphere. I remember when Joe had, whoever it was, I think he had the author on back in the day. And I remember watching that episode and I was like, holy shit. That's insane. It was one of his best friends. So Fitzgerald.

that often goes on, Rogan, he's one of the comedians that Rogan started with, like way back in Boston, moved to Venice eventually, and it was one of his neighbors. Oh, really? That's how he got introduced to it. It wasn't just like this book was that massive. It's like one of Joe's closest and oldest comedy buddies knew that this guy had worked on this book for like 20 years. And it was, you know, it's up Joe's alley, so they connected him. I mean, that...

Look, some interesting coincidences there, but how fortunate for the writer, because I'm sure he sold a shitload of copies now. Yeah, and I mean, it's good that people know about this. It's good to know what the government has the capabilities to do and where they draw the line on morality stuff. But back to methylene blue, it was like an interesting part. It's like, okay, you get these seizures, you take this thing,

and it works for you great i'm happy like yeah i'm glad you're not getting seizures that sounds like it sucks but then also you know you're just kind of like touting this thing as like mitochondrial yeah energy booster and all this cognitive stuff potentially and just making a ton of claims and i'm like

It just seemed disconnected from the whole rest of the conversation. Almost like he was psyoping us into being like, we should probably get this. Let's get this. Don't let him talk to the liver king, man. If that guy starts using mind control, we're all fucked. That guy's such a mess, though. But yeah, I don't know. I hate to say it, but I feel like

In some ways, not all the time, but well, I think it's just in general, like everyone has a thing to sell, you know, like everyone has a course that they're selling. Everyone has a supplement that they're selling, you know, like if you're a gym influencer, that's just how you make money, you know? And I feel like in general, Joe kind of gets people on the show that do that a lot, you know, whether it's intentional or not, they're, they're just plugging their stuff, you know, which I can't fault them at all. It's a massive platform to be able to promote your products, but

it feels like some people lean into a little bit more and it's like, you don't really, well, I don't think he's selling it, which, which is even more interesting. I guess that gives you a little bit more credibility when you're not trying to slog the product, but, uh,

Yeah, difficult. I mean, yeah, if you're having seizures, you know, talk to your doctor. But yeah, it's always interesting too whenever people are like, it's like not a very well-known drug or, you know, not something that many people have tested or tried and they're like, it works for me. And it's like, that's great, but...

you know you can't just go around saying it's going to work for everybody not to say that this guy was but there are people that do that a lot they're like this podcast is brought to you by DraftKings Casino the great rewards hunt is on so join the adventure with DraftKings Casino

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Ends 4-27-25 at 11.59 p.m. Eastern Time. Anecdotal evidence. This has worked for everybody. It's like, that's not shit, dude. Yeah. Everyone you talk to. Yeah, yeah. All of your meathead friends. Yeah.

Seizures are a big deal though. Yeah. I mean, I've heard CBD is really good for seizures. I've heard that too. It has been for like very young kids. And people who have Parkinson's. Right. I remember recently I watched this video of this guy who was, this old guy. He had Parkinson's like really bad, pretty bad. Like he couldn't sit still at all. Like he couldn't, he probably couldn't hold like a glass of water.

And they give him weed. I think it was THC because it was a joint. Like no one smokes joints of CBD unless you're a weird hipster. But they give him this joint and he smokes it.

And then I think 15 minutes go by and he's just chilling on the couch, like very still. And then he just gets up like a normal person, like just gets up from the couch. They're like, how are you feeling? He's like different. But he's like pretty much back to normal. It's insane. And he's like, should we order a pizza? He's like, hey guys, I've been thinking about the moon landing. Yeah.

He's like, you guys got any popcorn? But I've heard a lot of that. I've heard a lot of like, especially in kids with CBD, like helping with seizures and stuff like that. Well, the anti-seizure medication is like, I think it's quite damaging to their development. So it's either they take that

And then don't get seizures, which might kill them, but then have all the problems from the medication. Yeah. Or they have this type of CBD, which really helps out. And then also low sugar diets, which Chris did talk about, like keto, carnivore. For whatever reason, those are supposed to be pretty good for...

you know, particular brain issues. Yeah. I think in general, like somewhat of a low sugar diet is healthy for everyone. I mean, especially processed sugar in the U.S. is terrible for you. I'm the worst at it. I finished a whole pint of Ben and Jerry's last night, I will admit. Did you? Yeah.

And so it's not good. You're shaking my head. Shaking my head podcast listeners. Yeah. And I mean, kids nowadays are just hooked on all of that shit. But yeah, it's hard. I mean, just with any medication for kids, it's like, you know, they struggle with it. Like I'll use myself as an example with ADHD. Like when I was in school, it was like, all right, I'm very disruptive in class. When I pay attention, I'm a good student. But on classes that I didn't really care about, it was like I was just disruptive. Yeah.

And so it's hard. Like, do you let them continue to be disruptive and try and figure it out on their own? Or do you give them medication and then deal with the side effects of that? And so it's tough for both parents and children to navigate that, especially at a young age when, you know, especially when they're disrupting learning and they can't fall into a healthy routine at school. Right. Yeah. I mean, it...

It does seem like the quick fix to a very complicated issue. Yeah. And I do think, especially with ADHD, that a lot of people are over-diagnosing and over-prescribing medications to kids, which is in itself an issue. Mm-hmm.

Chris talked about like how persuasion can hijack identity, making people comply, not just with, I think he put it ideas, but also a part of who they are. Right. And he was like, think cult recruitment, law enforcement interrogations, that type of thing. Like it just, it just kind of like, I guess in a sense, like just breaks you down and then, um,

aligns with maybe your sympathies and then just pulls you into whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, the cult stuff was a little freaky. I mean, it's not easy to get people to join cults. No. You should probably have giveaways. Like, hey, get this dishwasher. I'm like, pretty good. I do need a dishwasher. It's just three months. I'll be gone. I'll come back with a new dishwasher if I join this cult.

They give me a whole uniform. It's, it's, they give me meaning. I get a torch. Uh-huh. Yeah. The cult one is interesting because I feel like that's right up the alley of mind control and getting into people's psyche and taking advantage of their problems in life. And, um, because that's the most classic example of how you get someone to recruit in a cult is like, they're very vulnerable going through hardships in life. And then you're like, Hey,

We did the same thing. Join our cult. We're happy now. And people are just... They don't know what to do with themselves. And so it's very easy to fall into the temptation of these welcoming people who seem very nice. Right. Yeah, if you have no social group...

No meaning, no direction, maybe not even any confidence. And you can get desperate for like all of those things. And, you know, you only need three or four boxes to tick. And then all of a sudden you are...

ready to get like you're just any direction yeah somebody is like we really believe in you come with us and it's not till you're balls deep in there that they're like we're also having to sleep with your wife now yeah and you're like shit i can't leave now have you ever seen the movie mid samar no great movie about cults um

Florence Pugh is in that movie and she's the main character and I won't spoil the movie for anybody. It's a great movie. You should go watch it. But the first like 10 minutes of the movie are just insane. And this woman who her parents died and

her sister as well she joins her boyfriend on this cult a bunch of people in the group are going to do research on this thing but the like you know when you watch a horror movie there's like immediate like red flags where people just like illogically go forward with something and you're like what the fuck are you thinking you know like

But as soon as they arrive at this cult, the people are very happy to meet them, extremely welcoming and all this stuff. Did they say, let's split up? No. Even worse, they gave them all mushrooms. They immediately hand them all mushrooms. They're like, hey, we're going to trip as soon as they get out of the car. And then they all take them because they all fall for it. And I'm like, dude, if I go anywhere with people that I don't know and the people that I don't know immediately offering mushrooms, red flag, get out of there. Yeah. Yeah.

Not great. And then psychedelics come up further in the movie and stuff. That's a great way that they control people. But yeah, that movie still haunts me. My best friend made me watch that recently. That one and Hereditary. Have you ever seen that one? Another great cult movie. Same director. Kind of different avenue. That one's more about how this family gets twisted and the mom heard her mom dies. So the grandma dies.

She was like the leader of the cult. And then the whole family just kind of gets taken over by this cult. Yeah. It's, it's, they're great movies though. Like it's very hard to make a horror movie that's not predictable and, you know, cringy. And they're both amazing movies, but both around cults. Have you ever watched any of the documentaries around family members being taken in by cults and how helpless they feel?

Because it's like the cult's designed to cut off your family. Oh, yeah. And then you can't reach these people. And then you realize, oh, this is your son or daughter or sister or whatever. And you can't do anything. Like, the police won't go get them. They're adults. They can choose. Oh, yeah. Whatever they want. Oh, that's so scary. Just imagine.

Like I have a young daughter and, you know, she's one now. So she has 17 years before she can do whatever she wants legally as an adult. She'll be 18 then. And it's like in that time, if I don't create a system to where she doesn't think that somebody grabs her with a, like right then at 18, they can just go take her. And she's like, I want to go with them. This is great. We surf all day and live in teepees or whatever they do.

And it's you just like, uh, no, no. Yeah. And there will be nothing. It's just the heartbreak of the people is what gets me in these shows. It's so difficult. Hey there. Ritual here to give a big shout out to you for making it through the hectic holiday season. The magic of those family moments? That was you. And now there's new milestones to prep for in 2025. This new year, check clean, quality pregnancy nutrient support off your to-do list with Ritual.

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And when they kind of sometimes get a hold of the person that left and they talk to them, I mean, they sound fairly...

They've completely justified it to themselves. They get their own kind of value out of it, even though they have shut out their whole family, which they, you know, strategically demonize, you know? Yeah. No, that'd be freaky, man. And then, like, you try it. If you ever did, like, you know, they're gone for a month or...

a year or however long it is, you have to imagine the longer they're gone, the worse it gets. Try and talk to them again and they're just not the same person. Yeah. Like they're just so enveloped in it. There's no saving them. They've just become a completely different person. That's scary. So you either just argue with them about their choices forever or you just...

Give them space to rant their crazy cult thoughts and you're just, like, happy to be in their life a little bit. I mean, it would be such a mess. They're just very powerful, very dangerous, you know, fringe groups that can probably grab almost anyone with the right timing and direction. Oh, yeah. I mean, even...

You know, there's no ill intentions behind anything that like a lot of, you know, churches or religious people do a lot of time, you know, compared to a cult. But even them, you know, they're very, very welcoming. They want you to join the church. They're very eager to hear about you and your ideas. And if you're not very set on what you want to do and you have a

plan that you want to follow and you're, you know, you're not looking to be persuaded. Um, it's very easy to fall into that. I'm not saying people shouldn't go to church or church is bad and the same as cults, but they use, I feel like they use a lot of similar ways to get people to join and stuff like that. There's tactics and, and you know, people, uh,

i don't want to say gullible but they're very suggestible um he talked about that experiment chris was talking about where people would see different lengths lines oh yeah and it was like which is the shortest or longest or whatever and everyone else in the experiment was a plant so they would all agree with the wrong answer

And almost everybody that was the actual participant went later and would just agree with the group.

And it's like, we're inclined to agree with a lot, I guess the larger the group, the more inclined we are to do it. But yeah, they, we, they don't speak out. They're just like, oh yeah, it's C when they know it. They can clearly see that it's not. Yeah. Yeah. That one's concerning. Um, yeah. I mean, even like it's, it must be like evolutionary though. There's so many examples of that though. You know, like people my age, uh,

It's like the same thing with like getting people to drink and drag them out to the bars is like you might have one friend in your group that's like not an alcohol person and they don't like to do it. But then you get one night when everyone's going and they're like, yeah, I'll go. And then they just turn into not themselves. You know, just they just follow the herd.

Yeah. Pee of pressure. Yeah. But I think too, especially, it's a lot easier to do in young people. And you talked about this a lot. I mean, I was thinking about like even just the way social media has done a lot of this stuff, just like mind control and like psychological hacks to get you to be more addicted to social media and like getting that same constant dopamine fix. It's not the same thing as like trying to, you know, convince someone to join a cult, but a lot of the same things.

a lot of the same methods are used. It's like people who understand psychology who have this goal of we want people to be either addicted to our phones or join our cult or whatever it is, and then they end up using these psychological tips in the wrong ways, and then it's like, oh, we've got a bunch of people addicted to this stuff. Anywhere you go, any sort of advertising is trying to do some level of that, trying to persuade you, trying to get you to do something. Act now. Buy now. Join.

Do you think it has something to do with, like, in a sense, developing your own identity? Like, all the people, even if they're not super happy with where their life is or who they are, they do have a sense of their own identity. And younger people are working on that. Yeah, they're just trying to figure stuff out. And so I feel like you're more likely to try stuff. You know, you'll, like, hear about some cool group overseas that's doing conservation or whatever. You know, you just read it online.

without looking into it and you're like wow this sounds great you know i should try this i should do this yeah i feel like it's a lot easier to convince people who are trying to figure out what they want to do or you know they're just trying stuff out it's a lot easier to get them they're also more more vulnerable to that kind of stuff they just don't know they a younger person or an older person you have to assume has had more people try to steal their arm and manipulate them in ways and so they kind of can tell the signs of it whereas a young person is just like you know

They haven't had that experience yet. Yeah, they're looking for meaning and excitement. So if you can stimulate those two things, even with a wacky idea, there's a good chance that it's a better message than their parents are giving them right now, which is don't do this, don't do that, go get a job, a bunch of hard stuff. And then someone else is like, just come live in the woods with us. It's cool. We got crystals. Yeah.

These ladies aren't wearing tops. Get in the water. You're like, okay, baptize. Yeah. Or I feel like as well too, I bet it's a lot easier to convince young people because they don't have as much money. If you're like, hey, you want to go on this trip? We'll feed you. We'll do all of this stuff. You're like, sweet. I don't have to worry about anything. Whereas an older person is like, I can afford to feed myself. I don't really need to do anything. Whatever. But if you're like, even...

You know, even like fucking test samples, you know, you go to Costco, they could put literally anything there and you would try it because it's free. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, God, I really hate these berries, but I'll take them.

Yeah, well, you know, talking about how easy it is to persuade people, what about people to watch The View and see that as like a source of news? They discuss the time that one lady was talking about Rogan and was like, oh, he believes in dragons. And

And I remember the clip and even someone on there was like, are you sure? She's like, oh, yeah, we double checked. We checked. Yeah. And it's like, well, no, no, you didn't. And I'm wondering, like, how many people out there still now, if you brought up Joe Rogan, knew nothing about him and were like, well, I've heard I heard he believes in dragons. Like the view is enough of a news source. It has to be to some people. Yeah.

Or what was the one during COVID that he uses horse tranquilizers as medicine? Or what was the thing that they were trying to say about him? Oh, Horsty Wormer. Horsty Wormer. I've remade it. Yep. Yeah. Well, I think it's like, I notice this all the time with people I know is even if people are so attached to their beliefs and their structure and the way that they see the world is so ingrained in their identity that when you challenge that in some way with new information, they'll actively try and fight it regardless of whether you're right and they're wrong or whatever.

Whatever it is like if you're challenging something that people believe and he kind of hints on this too along with that whole identity thing is like you have to tie it into Who they are as a person because that like clicks with people that gets people's attention that gets them hooked You know, but that with the view, you know She didn't fucking know that she didn't check that Joe Rogan believes in dinosaurs or dragons, whatever

She just doesn't like Joe Rogan, and she heard someone say something about he believes in dragons, and she was like, I'm going to roll with this because I don't like Joe Rogan. Or she doesn't even really have an opinion about him. She's told that he's just popular and people haven't been liking him. That's the narrative we've got to go with. And he believes in wacky stuff, so just give him some shit. Also, of all the things you're going to say about someone as an insult, saying they believe in dragons is like...

Don't know that's kind of cool man. If you were like, yeah, man, I still believe in dragons I'd be like, all right, we can still be friends do when I put it on his Instagram Backfired on that dragon believer. It was one of the best things I've ever seen that would be such a flex I would I would say that to everyone and be like, hey, I got news people before you're thinking that I believe in dragons and

I think that that might be the first thing I say to Rogan if I ever meet him. Be like, are you the guy that believes in dragons? Like, my only news source is The View. I'm just that guy. 43-year-old white guy. I love The View.

I've never watched The View. It's like Good Morning America, right? I've only seen clips. Like some morning news show. Yeah. It just seems like garbage. Bottom of the barrel of entertainment, yeah. All of those news shows are terrible. Daytime TV is bad, though. It's bad for your health, I think. Yeah, it's so bad. I loved back in the day when, before they got onto it, all these comedians like Tom Segura would go on pretending to be rappers and just make a joke of the entire production. It was so funny. Yeah.

Theo Vaughn used to do that. Oh my God. Those were the days. And now all those people know like, Hey, don't let these people do it. They're just going to hijack your show. They'd still have a mom, but they all, all these guys do podcasts now. Yeah. So all these new comedians and there's still a group now, like the more up and comers will still go and try and do morning TV if their social media isn't big enough. But most people are just putting their energy into social media for one because

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And you don't want to get up at like 5.30 to go to a news station and try and make your jokes. And it's just all awkward, annoying nonsense. Yeah, and a lot of those people don't even know how to take a joke, you know? They just like... Often. They don't understand comedy and they're so used to their suburban lives. Yeah, they just can't. People that read good. One 9-11 joke and they're just like, oh my God, I'm going to lose my job. Yeah.

I mean, Bill Burr used to dismantle those. I love those clips. So good. He just hammers them. It's so funny. What did you think about the RFK, Senator RFK assassination in the hotel, shot in the, what was it, the kitchen area? So this was shortly after JFK was shot, his brother was. And during the time when he was doing a presidential run,

This guy, what was it? Sirhan Sirhan? Oh, yeah. Who supposedly, you know, assassinated him. But when they interviewed him, had no idea. Was like, I thought I was at a shooting range. Or like, you know, even up for probation, they're like, all you have to do is just say that you did this. And, you know, reduce your sentence or do something. He's like, I don't remember this.

Yeah, that's crazy. During the time that the CIA was doing all sorts of stuff. It was like mind control, this and that. Are we ever going to find out? I don't think so. I thought Trump was going to release the RFK stuff. Supposedly. I mean, JFK. Yeah. RFK is like obviously push for it. But, you know, here's what I think. I think.

If anything, the deal was, here you go, RFK. Here's all the information. It's what you thought it was anyway. Also, we can't really tell the public this, and you understand why. And that might be the deal. That might be why we don't ever get it.

Yeah, who knows? I mean, anyone with a brain can discern that it was probably the government, CIA. You know, the CIA has admitted... You son of a bitch. I'm turning you in. They've admitted that they did MLK. They admitted that they assassinated MLK. Wait, who did? CIA. What? I thought the FBI had it out for him. Maybe it was. Well, the thing that I read, I read something recently that said it was the CIA...

Because I was reading, I was at work and I just started looking on, or I think my friend texted me something, but they literally, you can go to their website and they say like, my bad. We understand that, or I don't think that they necessarily admit it, but they essentially say the motivation behind it.

How they would have done it and all of this. They basically lay it all out, but they were like, yeah, the movement towards the civil rights and all that stuff. Like he was such an important figure for all of that stuff and that they wanted to dismantle that and they couldn't have him be the voice of that. And so, but yeah, you can go on and read. It's pretty gross documents. Yeah.

That is, yeah. Well, I thought it was interesting too in the podcast. I mean, I guess this is a better way of using mind control, but what they were talking about with, you know, using it in like fighters to get them to like develop an alter ego in there so that they don't feel pain and, you know, don't run out of steam and stuff like that. That's really interesting. Yeah, well, Tyson worked with the hypnotist. Yeah. They discussed that. I mean, he was just a killing machine when he was in that ring. Yeah. And it probably really fucked him up, honestly. Yeah.

Like he was really young when they started hammering this narrative into him. 13 years old, yeah, yeah. So imagine trying to develop as an adult and then you've just had this like narrative banged into you.

Now you're like, I don't know, 21. You're one of the most famous people in the world. Everyone's terrified of you. You've got tons of money. I mean, tricky to navigate for sure. Even talked about Roy Jones, Roy Jones Jr. You familiar with him as a boxer? Amazing. Incredible. And he had the alter ego, RJ. Yeah.

And he'd pull them out and just crush people. That's crazy. I wonder how that could be. Like, it's one thing to think, you know, how lucky you have to be to even be physically...

enough to be one of the best boxers in the world. But then also you just happen to have this thing where you can create this like alter ego. It just seems to be like so many stars need to align to make these super humans. Well, for Mike Tyson, you know, I mean, you take someone who's 13 years old, he's already

He's already crazy at 13 years old, you know, and then you start doing this stuff. He's with the genetics and the work ethic that he has. He's already on track to be one of the greatest of all time. And then you start doing the mind control stuff and you just create this other monster. Right. Yeah, it is. It's like the perfect storm. You know, by the time the guy's 20, he's already had like seven years of just nonstop boxing as a already good boxer, you know, like smashing every. Yeah. And

And so, you know, you add that with all of the side mind control training that he's doing. And it's just like, yeah, you create someone who's literally unstoppable. Well, but, you know, and let's end on a bit of a positive to this one because this episode was...

It was tough to hear. I mean, psyop stuff is hard to listen to. And then thinking of all the nefarious shit that's probably going on with that. But, you know, ultimately, you know, he talked about visualization and how powerful the tool it is. And yeah, it can be bad. If you visualize your life sucking all the time. Yeah. It's probably not going to be great. This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. You know, when you're really stressed or not feeling so great about your life or about yourself, Talkspace.

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Because you're kind of writing that narrative. But the fact that positive visualization, which anyone can do with practice, start out slow, give it a few minutes, you know, just do your best. Even if you don't believe the narrative that you've kind of written, you can just follow it. You can start getting some incredible wins, at least boost your confidence. Yeah.

One of my favorite things in the show, towards the end, he had two quotes. He said, if the opinion that's coming out needs people to be silenced, it's a psy-op. Which is kind of true. That was good. And then the other one was, if you can't see anything wrong with the side you agree with and nothing right with the side you disagree with, you've been lied to. Which is a good goddamn quote. Yeah.

It's very good. I mean, the other thing that came with the PSYOP is if they try to shut you down publicly, like publicly shame you, like pretty much you'll know that it's a PSYOP. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And then of course they went into COVID for 10, 15 minutes because that was the first thing I was thinking about. Yeah. As soon as they said it, it was like, oh, that was exactly what that is. And...

You know, that's the narrative over and over again, which we've talked about a million times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because in COVID, you had that herd mentality where it was like people were like they said in the podcast, there was examples of left wing political websites saying like,

you know, people who are anti-vaxxers dying. It's like something we have to accept or whatever it is. Oh yeah, they were like, they wanted them to die or found it like almost humorous because it was so obvious what they needed to do and you chose not to. It's almost like you're just jumping into an alligator pit. So what do you expect? This is Darwinism. That's the kind of talk that was coming up. And that's,

That's the way you do it, though. You don't have to. Why? Why spend all the time convincing people yourselves when you can convince other people to let them do the convincing for you? Mm hmm. Yeah. And on that note.

Let's call it. Well, one more thing. I bet this dude's going to have so many fighters in his DMs being like, yo, can you train me? Can you create an alter ego? Yeah. He's probably going to make a killing off of that. I need an RJ. Let's go. Anyway. Yeah, it was interesting. It's fascinating. It leads into a lot of the conversations that Rogan's been having recently. The Elon one just...

Everything with Doge and everything with like how politics works and how the media manipulates people. I mean, it's, it's the government also does the same. It's just so much of that. That's like tied into this. Got to look out people. There we go. Put your thinking cap on. All right. Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it. And thank you guys. We will talk to you next week.

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