423 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Mark Gordon
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Now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one of all time. One, go. Enjoy the show. So in all these inflammatory conditions, they have the same beta amyloid and cause for CTE, the hyperphospholated tau protein that we call NFTs, neurofibral tangles.

So they're all related. So what quercetin does is it increases mitochondrial replication in about seven days, doubles the amount of mitochondria intracellularly. It helps increase and deliver something called IGF binding protein 3, insulin-like binding protein 3. Binding protein 3 is always looked at as being the carrier for IGF-1, insulin-like growth factor, growth hormone factor.

Turns on in the liver the production of insulin-like growth factor, which is the main below-the-neck growth factor for our body. Improves protein synthesis. Decreases inflammation, too. Wow. There you go. That's Dr. Mark Gordon talking to Joe Rogan.

And boy, does he know his stuff. Wow. Can you make sense of any of that? It just kind of brought me back to, you know, feeling a bit overwhelmed during this episode. I need a diagram for all that. I want to give a quick shout out though, before we get into it to a couple of our new Patreons, Mimi and Cameron. Thanks a lot for signing up. If you're interested in supporting the show, please,

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Yeah. So Dr. Mark Gordon is medical director of education at Access Medical Laboratory. Specialization is neuro regenerative medicine, treatment of traumatic brain injuries, TBI.

And I actually have a good friend that knows Mark and has worked with him. And he's an ex-retired Special Forces guy. And Mark has really helped him out with his TBI and leveled him. And yeah, the guy's doing good work. Yeah, he's got a lot of...

for his work, you can tell. And obviously he's changing lives, healing people from things that they, you know, never expected to have to deal with in their life.

But yeah, this episode, as I was saying before, is like quite dense in terms of like the medical terminology that you heard in that clip. Like that's just like a short bit of it. And it was a mouthful, right? Like, so I think it was nice to sort of take a step back and break this down and sort of find like the...

the main points of it and to sort of wrap my head around like what this work is and what he's doing. And yeah, I'm excited to jump in. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Well, I mean, in that clip that opened up, it's kind of, you know, where it all began in the conversation of like how TBIs disrupt hormonal production, which I believe is like fairly new understanding. And, you know, maybe within a decade or so,

And, you know, how this leads to kind of like deficiencies in testosterone and thyroid hormones, which for men are very, very important. I've even heard of cases to where individuals that have suffered TBIs can't produce any of their own testosterone or human growth hormone. So you can imagine the effects that has through the system.

Well, yeah, I mean, hormones regulate everything. And even your reproductive hormones, they regulate your ability to sleep and your appetite, your energy. Cognitive function. Yeah, that, you know, everything is kind of based on the quality and the production levels of your hormones, you know, them being balanced. And so when you have something like that happens in an instant, say, you know, you say you're in, you know, the force, you know, in the armed forces and you,

you know, have this moment where you're affected by a traumatic brain injury. It's like you experience symptoms for that for the rest of your life. It's not like it's just, oh, once that brain bleed heals, right? Like it goes away. These are long-term, you know, prolonged issues that these people are having and they're life altering. Well, back in, I believe, World War I, they used to call it shell shock.

Yeah. So these poor guys would get back from war. And back then, medicine knew nothing about what to do for these guys. And the suffering was unimaginable. Yeah, it's great that there's at least some discussion about it, that they're doing research on it. You know, it'll be interesting to see, you know, under the Trump administration and the talk about what they're doing to help with, you know, the emotional impacts of...

you know, those that have served, what they're dealing with, like how, what the physical things they're going to start helping with as well. For example, TBIs that happen. I mean, obviously there's other instances where people receive TBIs, professional sports, you know, car accidents, you know, things like that, tragedies, but like other, you know, careers, people that work in construction and so on, they end up with these accidental, you know, but people that... I wonder, does CTE count as a TBI?

I don't know. That's a brain injury. But I think that it has similar effects. Maybe those build up kind of over time. Yeah, they didn't really talk about it, but like repeated concussions basically cause a CT, which is a disease in the brain. Right. But I would assume has, you know, from what I know, like the symptoms overlap for sure. Sure. They're very similar. But in terms of our veterans, like what are they doing to help these veterans, you know, get treatments that maybe aren't?

mainstream? Are they helping cover the cost of some of these experimental treatments and the research and the education for them on it? Yeah. Well, you know, talking about covering costs, shout out to Joe. He's obviously a huge supporter of this type of work. He's known Dr. Gordon for a long time. Just bringing him on his show obviously gives, I mean, that's often enough for any individual because it's just...

so many ears hear the podcast, then you get support. But Joe himself, uh, has supported the organization and, and helped out a great deal, which is, which is very cool because he doesn't take a lot of credit for those sorts of things. Yeah. One thing I found really interesting that I learned, you know, about TBIs is that, um,

you know, they are the symptoms that people are experiencing. They maybe don't understand that it is related to their hormone issues. Um, and it,

it's sort of a new thing to them, right? And so this research is bringing that to light. I think it's like you said, them coming on here and talking about it on this large-scale audience platform, I think it's going to help a lot of people even just understand what's going on with them in order to begin. Well, you know, if you think...

that, oh, I have a brain injury from this event, you know, and often it's, you know, it could be like an IED, some explosion that, you know, a military person experiences. And there's other ways, obviously, you can get TBIs. But, you know, you're thinking, oh, I act this way now or I feel this way now because of this brain injury. Right. And it's very limiting.

for the individual. It takes a lot of kind of their power away just thinking, well, my brain is the way it is. However,

it turns out it's more likely to be hormones and just leveling them out can make huge differences for the individual. Right. It just shows how complicated too the whole system is. Yeah. You know, they sort of rolled the conversation of TBIs into the concept of the fact, you know, of inflammation of any kind and its role in, you know, neurological disorders as a whole.

Talking about just chronic inflammation in general. Being a factor in these neurodegenerative... That's a mouthful. Diseases. Yeah. And even like Alzheimer's. Right. You know? So, it's...

Yeah. They talked a bit about managing it, obviously through like medication, but, you know, a lot even more about like diet and supplements and like more natural, like naturopathic and holistic ways to manage these, this inflammation that's creating a disease in your brain, basically. That's a scary thought of like things that you're doing. I mean,

You know that we talk a lot about these, you know, you hear a lot about alcohol and like what that does to our body and the amount of inflammation and poison basically that pours into our bodies when we drink. I mean, I love a gin and tonic as much as the next person and a margarita. But like when you think about the effects it can actually have, it's like, what is it worth? Yeah.

And so hearing what they had to say about it, it was a bit eye opening. - Yeah, I mean, I've heard references to, you know, doctors making references saying chronic inflammation or just, you know, long-term inflammation is like the cause of all diseases. It's like the starting point. It just overtakes the system and everything starts to fall apart.

You know, keeping an eye on your inflammation throughout your life, especially when they connected to your brain breaking down and Alzheimer's. I mean, it's something that that people, you know, want to start taking more seriously. You know, it makes me think about it. Get some turmeric. I think that's good. Yeah. I mean, it's as simple as, you know, trying a new like workout plan. Right. Yeah.

They they talked about like high intensity interval training and strength training and the benefits that like really pushing yourself physically, how that can affect your like brain function and the balance that you have hormonally also maintains your skeletal strength and the health of your skeleton and all that. Yeah.

you know, just incorporating something new like that into your workout routine or just starting it, you know, if you aren't working out, it can really enhance your cognitive health, right? Yeah, it does make you think like how much we consider aging, right?

you know, is actually just long-term inflammation. And what I mean by that is, you know, at a certain age, like, you know, when I go back to England, you know, a lot of my family are there. I haven't seen them for a while. My uncles are getting older and you see some of them and they seem a lot younger than others. And it's the ages are either similar or maybe even inverse. It's, it's, you know, it's,

You'll talk to some of them and you can tell that their minds are slowing down and the conversations are just a little bit different. And it's like, is all this like an impact of...

lifelong inflammation through all these people. I wonder if it could be tracked like that. Well, yeah. I mean, your family loves a pint, you know? So it's, I mean, I think it's a cultural thing here in England. I am sorry, but it's the truth, right? I mean, and I mean, I think a lot of people experience that. I just drink one pint a day or, you know, one glass of wine, two glasses of wine. It's not that bad. But when you start it, like in England at 16 and you do it daily until you're

68 like you're gonna have some information yeah and your brain is like just like on fire all the time and it's affecting your hormone balance which affects your physical you know health and sort of it's this like full circle thing your gut health right and that goes back to the way your brain functions um yeah it's it's really an interesting you know when you um

Yeah. This, this whole thing sort of, uh, did you ever, you remember that show we watched on Netflix about the blue zones? Oh yeah. And it, it, I feel like there's a lot of overlap in that too. So if you guys haven't seen, it's like how to live to be a hundred, I think is what it was called. And it was very interesting, but a lot of it came down to like, you know, physical activity, being social, um,

and like having something to like live for. But I think it was like, I mean, nutrition of course was a huge piece of it. Um, but those, all those things sort of aid in longevity. And he sort of talked a lot about that, um,

In terms of like, you know, personalizing approaches to minimize inflammation in the brain, those that are having these. But if you think about it, like, ideally, you would start this from the beginning of your life and grow up in an area that like prioritizes these things. And I think in America, we experience it a lot more.

The problem is we're so resistant to things when we're young. Yeah. You know, it's like you're 21, you're in college, just started to drink, going out partying. Yeah. You know, you can throw back a lot and mostly function the next day. Yeah. And, you know.

you know, it goes the same for a lot of things. But then in America, it's like, we're not getting up, walking three quarters of a mile to the bus stop or to work and not everyone walking home. You know, we're not walking uphill. We're not eating a Mediterranean diet. We're having a cheeseburger. We're sitting on the couch. We're watching Netflix. Like, you know, we're recovering. Like we just don't have this lifestyle of like,

you know, life is, there's challenges that we have to handle. Like we sort of find the easy way out. We get food delivered and, you know, groceries delivered. And like, obviously, you know, we don't even like get out and buy anything anymore because it all is delivered from Amazon. And when you come to Europe,

There's a lot more of that when you come to these other places that they like some of the ones they talk about in this show and this how to live to be 100. And so I think you can kind of counteract the effects of things like alcohol with lifestyle factors. Sure. If you're if you're walking all day and.

walking hills and moderately drinking, you're going to be far more effective than moderately drinking and sat on a couch or just sat on a couch eating Cheetos all the time. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's, it's a balance of all of it. The other, one of the big takeaways from this, which, which was in a way kind of new is the idea of customized treatments. Yeah. You know, you think about going to a doctor and they're like, Oh, you're sick. Here's an antibiotic. Yeah. It's like,

Well, do you know that that will work right for me? They're like, oh, it works for all the people. Yeah. Or take this supplement or X, Y, and Z. Whereas...

He's saying, well, I look at this and it's, you know, instead of a one size fits all approach, he looks at lab tests. He looks at just general deficiencies, you know, mineral or otherwise and supplements those. It's like a package that is for the individual and that.

Obviously, that's more expensive kind of science and medicine. But I really hope things start going that way. Yeah. I really hope that they start doing individual profiles of like, this is great for you. I mean, some people are allergic to certain medications. And, you know, they don't find that out until they take it and there's a reaction. Yeah. Like I said, in these like personalized ways,

treatment approaches, there was a big emphasis on the lifestyle as well. Like not just like, let's figure out what's going on, but it's like, what are you doing? What are you doing that you need to fix in your life? And I think it varies person to person. You know, we can't group everyone together and say, well, everyone needs to exercise more. Everyone needs to like eat differently. But yeah, I mean, obviously hormones, like we talked about play a huge role. Everyone,

different things that they can improve on to balance those hormones out. Yeah, of course. I mean, even down to, and we were talking about the other day, like they do genetic tests now and it's not basically like food allergies or different allergies, you know, just to know that for yourself, remove those things, which were probably consuming and you're not thinking about and just seeing kind of where the benefit is. I mean, I think just on a, on an inflammatory level,

That would be very beneficial. That's probably what's happening, right? When you have allergies. Yeah. It just makes me wonder, like, why are we not doing this from the get go? Why are we not personalizing medical care in general? It's hard to do. It takes a lot more time. Yeah. I think that the, as technology evolves, you know,

AI becomes more prominent and it's used in healthcare settings, it's going to become easier and more cost effective to, to, to dive into everyone's like individual, um, you know, uh, like health charts and say like, okay, let's do, um, you know, a panoramic view of what's going on inside of you. Let's do all of these tests. Have you ever seen, like, for instance, um, you can go to like, uh,

Like Turkey, like go to Istanbul or go to like, I don't know, some, some kind of, I sound so ignorant. You go like to another country besides America, of course. And, um, and get like this whole like scan done this like full metabolic panel, like all of these tests done. And it's like,

$12,000 or something or not even $6,000. Quite a lot cheaper. Significantly cheaper. And you just pay for it. It's this like luxury, like healthcare facility and you do all these testing and it, you know, costs less to like take a vacation there, get it all done than it does to like have any of these tests singularly done in the United States. Well, it's still way out of the reach of most people though, even if it's discounted, but

But what I like about it is it is a different approach to like US or most Western medicine. It's like this very personalized, tested full body scan, everything. I really hope that they start to get so many benefits from it, you know, get all the data, all the research, and then all medical institutes around the world just go, we need to change it up. What we're doing isn't working. Let's start doing it like this.

And, you know, as technology improves, all of those processes will get cheaper and more available. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a question here of like, do we have the ability to do that now? Is the health care system failing us, you know, in the way we, you know, it's been talked about before on Joe's podcast many times about how

you know, conventional medical,

care is like treating symptoms only it's not looking at the whole person it's not saying you know so say someone with the tbi goes in and they say oh i've got this pain in my neck and in my back and it you know whatever like they're like okay well let's get you physical therapy and let's blah blah it's like they're not treating what's actually happening and they're not thinking okay they have this tbi it could be affecting their inflammation markers as a whole you know maybe it's

Something that we can do on a chemical level to fix the physical problems that they're experiencing No, we're just gonna address the physical problem. Well think about it like this you get back from war Yeah, you know combat you have the TBI the VA has done a little bit of something mostly painkillers for you Yeah, and then you're like I'm going to therapy or to see a psychiatrist and then they're just like well you sound depressed So here's an antibiotic

Antidepressant, sorry, not antidepressant. Antidepressant. Yeah. When really it's entirely a hormonal issue. Like it's complicated. Psychiatrists wouldn't know that. That's not their job to even put it together. But it comes back to that idea of just like the whole system and understanding it. Well, I can imagine even when it like as far as the hormone, the power that hormones have, you know, you think about, I mean, half the population, females, 50%.

the majority of them experience at some point perimenopause or menopause symptoms. And it's like extremely like uncomfortable. It is a drastic shift in your hormones. And there's a lot of physical side effects of going through menopause or perimenopause, which was like prior. And

Um, it's not really conventional medicine to treat the hormones of it. It's let's give you a hysterectomy. Let's cut out all of your organs. Let's make it go away entirely. And then, you know, it'll basically be over with quicker. Um, there's not a lot of insurance policies that actually cover, um,

uh, like bioidentical hormone therapy for women, unless there is like a serious medical issue, like they've had, um, gosh, I don't know, like, uh, like, you know, reproductive problems, like during the reproductive years, right. Like trying to manage that. And even then sometimes, I mean, you know, uh, it not, you know,

what is the word like IVF and stuff. It's almost never covered when people are having hormone imbalances and they want to have a baby and that's the root cause. Right. Um, but what I'm getting at is like, they'll say like, Oh, well it's just like this physical thing. Take, you know, do, do let's physically alter your body rather than look at you on a chemical level and give you something that could actually fix it without being so invasive. Um,

They love surgery. God, they love surgery. They do love surgery. Well, that's why Mark Gordon argues for a more integrative approach, combining

medicine, modern medicine, which, you know, has a lot of uses, obviously, with more alternative therapies. Yeah. Because it just gives people a better chance. Like, you know, you got hormones, inflammation, brain function, you know, it's all connected, but it's rarely treated together. Yeah. It's just like we just do one thing at a time. And in a lot of ways, you're causing a bunch of different problems. And the poor patient doesn't know. Yeah.

Because that's not their job to know. Right. They're just there, the doctors. Yeah. Which is why we need RFK. Come on, buddy. I know. Get in there. It's interesting. I mean, I think we all probably have, every single person listening, including you and I, have something that it's like this, we've experienced this failure in our healthcare system where you go to the doctor and you say- To some degree, yeah. Something's going on. And I think that it's related to this thing that's happened in my past. And they're like-

Okay, well, let's just put you on this medication. Let's just numb you or whatever. Have you tried ibuprofen? Have you thought about spending $2,000 this year on physical therapy? And that's not really what you need, right? They just want to, you know. And I think insurance makes it trickier. But yeah, what it really boils down to is, like you said, we need someone who's going to advocate for change on a systemic level.

you know, someone who believes that we are, what's the word? I don't want to say like worthy, but like humans and the people in, I mean, I'll say America just cause that's like where we're from. But like, and I feel like American healthcare is lacking a lot. It's, it's valuable to fix people, right? It's not like, yes, there's money in, in,

Medication. Medication. There's money in pharmaceuticals. There's money in like break fix, right? Like that's how a lot of business models are. Something breaks, you fix it. Just that problem. You don't like improve the product to not break again. That's the problem with too much money. Yeah. But we, you know, yeah, it's just unfortunate. And I mean, I think that there's a lot of benefit to it. People could...

be, you know, like once they physically are feeling better, I think a lot of people will mentally be in better places. Cognitively we'll have less people on disability. We'll have less people, you know, people able to work more and, and, um, be more productive in their laboring. Um, there's so many benefits to like people feeling good and being healthy. Um, and I think that was like

you know, this is like kind of off the rail and off topic, but I think that was our big issue. That was my big issue with what was going on during like the marketing of how we were going to slow the spread of COVID, right? It wasn't,

Let's get you healthy so you can fight this. It's like our population is so sick. We have to basically confine you to your home. You're not allowed to see anyone, even your family, the newborn babies in your family, like anything like that. Let's completely alter society because our people are so sick and unhealthy.

physically, that we are going to... It's worth ruining their mental health over, right? Rather than saying... And then obviously there was like this, these lies in the marketing of let's...

All you got to do is take this vaccine, take this medication. It's going to fix everything. No one's going to get sick anymore. And obviously that was a lie. Like that wasn't the truth. But even for them to suggest, you know, they could have sent packages out to everybody with vitamin D in. Yeah. Very cheap. Maybe some other basic supplements. Yeah. Also run some commercials on TV saying, hey,

This is lockdown. We're doing these things. But here's some exercises you can do at any level of physical fitness. You can start very slow. Just move. Try and stay away from these sorts of foods. Just little bits of advice. But the problem is when you start doing that,

One, you're empowering the people, which they did not want to do. And two, you're suggesting that there are other ways that you can get healthy. And they wanted everything to be that fucking shot. It's like Munchausen's on steroids. It's gross, right? They want to keep us healthy.

ill enough that we can't... That we need them. That we need them, that we need these systems that they have in place, that we can't answer for ourselves and that we can't stand up for ourselves. Daddy government will save us. Yeah. And, you know, oh, yeah, $600 three times is going to be enough to, like, make up for the fact that I don't get to go to work. I've missed all this time. I didn't get to visit my dying grandmother in the hospital, you know? Like, it was so...

so mind blowing that they could even justify how they did it. And I mean, you know, at the beginning, I think a lot of people were scared. They were like, Oh my God. Yeah. Like we're going to listen. We're going to do what they say. But then as it all started to come out and the data was revealed that this vaccine actually didn't do what they promised it would do. It was like, okay, well, what the, what the heck? Like you had to have known, you know, you don't just like say something like make a claim about a medical treatment and then not like,

like be, like it not be truthful. But what you do know is that the number one, you know, comorbidity with dying of COVID was obesity. So it's like, let's act on that. Let's say, let's challenge it. You get a hundred dollars for every 20 pounds you lose or 10 pounds you lose or something like that. If RFK was in charge of,

of our medicine during that time, that would have been the direction we would have taken. And someone like Fauci wouldn't be there. You know, RFK wrote the book, The Real Anthony Fauci. Like he is not a fan of that guy. We would have completely moved away from it. And look, the COVID thing, it's being a dead horse. We've talked about it a million times. But you know, it does beg the question that like we saw what happened.

we saw how they think. And I say they like pharmaceutical companies and governments that or government individuals that be being paid by lobbyists to do it. So now go back to say what Dr. Mark Gordon's doing. And it's like, well, how does that play in? Yeah. You know, I mean, they've been giving these veterans opioids for some time and all those nasty drugs that make a lot of money. Well,

Well, now we have these other treatments and, you know, does it fit in to their economic plans? And that's where it gets slippery. Yeah. I mean, they aren't stakeholders in hormone therapy companies, right? They're stakeholders in pharmaceutical companies. Of course. And it's,

It's sad and I really look forward to the day when we actually have healthcare that's meant for improving our lives. I think it's coming. I really do. I'm so hopeful. I think that

you know the really nasty stuff is not going to be pushed under the rug and it's going to be addressed and it's hard hard to deny it when when you're faced with it yeah you know we've basically just been waiting for netflix documentaries to come out to tell us how awful some of this shit is i know i feel like such a like a like a like a ape sometimes i'm like what

This is real? What? Especially when you hear it happen like three years ago. What the? Where was I? What is going on? I'm always on the Internet. Why am I just hearing about this now? I mean, obviously, it's because our algorithms tell us what we want to see and what we like. But it doesn't like new information doesn't just like jump in there. Right. Like it's tricky.

Well, true to Joe's style, I mean, it wasn't all TBIs. Of course, he jumps over to UFOs, abductions, Bigfoot. I don't know how he manages to just...

could basically like really smoothly just transition over there i think he just likes to test every guest and be like where are they on ufos ufos are joe's roman empire you know that concept yeah like he never stops thinking about it he's always on it and it was fascinating because you know again they're talking about like the ufo abduction stories right which were very popular

back in the day and you know is it was a real is it a dream was it sleep paralysis you know when people are taken from their bed and this whole thing um but

You know, it's kind of interesting now with like the UAP story and we're seeing these UAPs and they were kind of naming them drones. It's like we're a little more detached from the little green men idea and the abduction idea. And I'm wondering how they like play into each other. I mean...

If we're to believe at all, was it was there just this time 30, 40 years ago where the aliens were actually just abducting people? What then they got bored? They're like, we're not doing it anymore. I'm so inclined to think that there's like an explanation. Right. I'm like, it was something in the water. Right. Like this whole town. Right. When the whole town sees a.

a spaceship landing and aliens running around. I'm like, they all were stoned. Something got burnt. A field of mushrooms got lit on fire and they were all hallucinating. Someone poured LSD in the water supply. Yeah, and they just didn't know, right? You know, but then there's... That kind of happened with the Salem Witch Trials. Yeah? Yeah, it was Urgot when Joe's talked about it a bunch, like growing on the bread or the wheat or something. Everyone was tripping a little bit. Exactly. So I'm inclined to think there's an explanation, but I think it...

I wouldn't say I'm like a not a believer. I think I just like don't have a fear about it that like it's not explainable.

um, I do think people are telling the truth that they've, they remember these experiences, that these experiences felt real to them. Right. But they aren't, it's not like I'm me sitting across from you right now. Clear. You know what I mean? It's like, there's always some question. What, what gets me, which also I find that there could be explanations for, but is like the physical evidence. So, you know, radiation burns, um,

Um, like waking up with like new wounds or scars. Um, you know, people used to say that they had like an implant or a piece of metal in them. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like, you know, again, I'm like, did they get really fucked up and trip and fall? Right. Like, did they have an explosion that they got a traumatic brain injury and somehow they have a physical burn from that and they just like woke up and, um,

somehow put together that they were abducted by an alien and then this new burn came from this alien you know doing tests on them like yeah i'm just so inclined to think there's an explanation but some of the stories i'm like i got nothing i have absolutely no idea how um you know people wake up you know uh and report that they're miles away from their home no memory of how they got there they're missing 12 hours of time and i mean

I don't know. It could have just also been like the government's been trying to cover up the idea of UFO stuff for a long time. Project Blue Book, I think. And, you know, they'd send people out to tell people to shut up and not go to the press. Kind of makes you think, well, was it like the military just abducting people and flying their spacecrafts and doing those things? Yeah.

I don't know. I can tell why Joe is so interested and fascinated in it all the time. It just is one of those fun rabbit hole conspiracies. You're just like, okay. Yeah. I mean, of all the big issues we have...

you know, that we face day to day, you know, the food that we eat, the poison in our food, the healthcare system, the, you know, corruption in our government, not being able to afford a home, like all these things that Americans are facing. Absolutely. Joe's going to get to the bottom of the savings in your account. Yeah. You know, I, I think, you know, kind of the final, the final point on this is like,

How does this relate back to obviously like your the TBI question? Right. And like neurological disorders that people experience after they claim they've been

They've had an interaction with a UFO or with extraterrestrial beings. And like they, you know, people talk about having PTSD and, or they, they get diagnosed with PTSD and it's like, you don't just like wake up with that, right? Like something has to happen. And there, there is like,

Obviously, some screening and testing to be done to like diagnose people with it. But, you know, they have gone through something traumatic and maybe these these stories about something that's unexplained are sort of this like they've crafted it in their head to cover up something else that they don't want to accept about their life.

Does that make sense? Possibly. Like an abusive partner. Like, oh, my partner abused me and I just wanted to like blank it out and, you know...

so I came up with this fabricated story about aliens. I don't know. Like, because, or maybe they did experience a traumatic brain injury being hit with something or they tripped and fell down the stairs, you know, they were actually abducted by aliens or they were actually went on a ship, saw aliens, came back and went, holy shit, I have PTSD because that was terrifying.

Yeah. This is, these are moments like stories like this and the idea of like something could happen to us out of our control is, is part of the reason why like,

I want to always have like a GoPro on me. Like I want to record my whole life day to day. And I want it to like be in like flash sequence at the end of every day for like 20 minutes. I can sit down and watch everything that happens. Get those meta glasses. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But you know what I think is interesting? If you get abducted, they just take them off. So it's got to be like something more. What I think is interesting about something like that, and maybe in the future there will be things that

augment our brain and record a lot more it would be cool to try and match it up with our memory because we always think like if you think back to yesterday you're like yeah i got i remember what happened yeah and then you know further back weeks months you don't have all the details for everything but you're pretty sure about some memories at some time yeah but if you also had an accompanying perfect high definition recording of the event and then you're like

you recount what you think happened you're like yeah yeah that's that that was it that's what you said for sure and that's how it went and that's where you were sat and then you play it back i wonder how close it is so you could average that out with a lot of people's memories and what actually happened yeah it would be fascinating to find out that we're like 25 off all the time

Yeah, I mean, self-perception is skewed. Like, I saw a statistic one time that was like, you know, when you look in the mirror, you see yourself 30% more attractive than other people see you, right? And that always boggled my mind. I'm like, well, really? Because... Well, I think if you have...

Maybe a positive attitude towards yourself. Maybe there is something about mindset. There's some beautiful people that can look in the mirror and they look long enough, they see a lot of imperfections. Yeah, you're right. You're right with that. But, you know, like I'm just saying, like the differential between what you think happened and what other people think happened or what the reality is. I think it's very...

variable and so it's subjective it's very subjective and there's no way to say like oh you're a hundred percent like gonna be right all the time just because you think so you know yeah um yeah i mean and even like dreams like dreams are so obscure and so you know part of me wants to like know what happened like no like have a like a visual recording of my dream i think that they're close to doing that honestly i don't

Yeah, but dreams are so much feeling, right? They're more feelings than they are visuals. A lot of times when you... Well, you get scared. You get scared and you're like, I don't know why I was scared, but I just had this scared feeling. Or it's like you tell me all the time, we were in this room, but it wasn't you, but it was you. And it's more of a feeling of who this person is and what they mean to you than the physical person themselves. Right. So I feel like...

having a visual record of our dreams could actually skew the impact that like dream analysis could have on like us bettering ourselves or actually like resolving things that we're going through. Yeah, potentially. But also there's a huge memory problem with dreams. Yeah. It's like they say if you don't write it down right away. I mean, dreams are designed to be kind of forgotten. That's why some people say they never remember their dreams, but we know we're doing it every night. I think a little video.

of what happened. You know, I don't know how they construct it with AI probably and brainwave scans. But a little video might be able to spark that memory again. You kind of fill in the pieces and then you're just like, oh, I keep dreaming about that?

Imagine you- - And then you can sit, maybe you even sit and talk with a therapist about it. Discuss, like go over the dream and be like, this is happening. - How cool to be, you wake up in like AI,

creates like a little movie trailer like a little movie trailer like with music and clips of everything that you dreamed about and it's like tune in for this and this day you know like how cool would that be and then you could like watch the long form version if it was interesting unless you're having some wacky dreams and you'd be like oh no

I need to talk to somebody. This is crazy. That would be a good indicator of like, oh, these dreams are worth like looking into, right? Like just to give you when you watch a movie trailer, like, yeah, that piques my interest or like that gets me excited or that scares me, but I like it, you know? Um,

It starts showing dreams that aren't cool or interesting at all. You're just like sat on a couch reading a book. It's like, wait, I just dreamt about that? Yeah. One thing I want to finish up with, you know, back to just kind of health benefits of different things. He talked about ivermectin, which we know has been demonized.

recently and through COVID obviously Joe took some major heat for it. It's a well-tested drug. It's been prescribed billions of times. I think it's anti-parasitic. I think so. Is that right? Yep. And effective there. But now new studies are being done as a potential anti-cancer drug.

And it's very interesting because it's already really good for like the anti-parasitic thing that have been links to it being effective against COVID. And, you know, finally people can start to say, yes, it is doing something useful there. Also, we know it's safe because again, it's been around a long time. It's highly tested and now it could be an anti-cancer drug.

That's fascinating. Imagine if they won the war of demonizing ivermectin. We would never find that out. No. I mean, it's interesting, like of all of the prescription medications that they do push, like why is this one so demonized? Like what is so bad about this one? Because they were connecting it to being an alternative treatment to COVID and they had to crush all of those ideas. Otherwise you can't do the emergency treatment.

Freaking vaccine making authorization thing. Yeah. Yeah. Nasty. Nasty stuff. I don't know. Again, like maybe I'm just like a skeptic.

of everything but i have a hard time believing that there is this like magical solution out there that's going to fix everything without side effects right and so potentially there is a place for it like obviously chemotherapy has side effects so people are you know go into remission with cancer through chemotherapy but so potentially there is you know you mix ivermectin with cancer and there's but it's cool to find a really safe drug yeah yeah that

works for a lot of people and could also have these other effects. I mean, that's awesome. I want to see more of that. Yeah, it would be really cool to see it.

and researched and developed for the purpose of like being used to treat things on a wide scale. Yeah. Anyway, Dr. Gordon legend. Great to have him back on. Um, so good to see and to hear that, you know, still working hard, helping lots of people, changing lives. And, uh, it's beautiful stuff. Thank you all for listening. We appreciate it as always. Again, check out the Patreon. We love the support and we'll talk to you soon. Cheers.

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