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Plant Intelligence

2024/12/7
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Zoë Schlanger
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Zoë Schlanger: 植物并非被动地对环境刺激做出反应,而是会根据环境做出决策,例如选择最佳位置生长以获取阳光,捕蝇草通过计数触发毛的数量和时间来决定是否关闭捕虫器,展现了植物的认知能力,包括计数、短期记忆和决策能力。植物的根系会主动寻找食物,而不是被动地吸收养分。植物能够感知并对声波振动做出反应,即使它们没有耳朵和大脑。植物具有记忆能力,能够记住之前的经验并做出更强的反应,例如植物在听到毛毛虫咀嚼的声音后会激活免疫系统。月见草通过花朵的形状感知蜜蜂的嗡嗡声,并增加花蜜的甜度,这表明植物能够感知声音信息。植物会发出声音,这些声音可能包含信息,这为植物与动物之间的生态关系研究开辟了新的领域。植物没有大脑,但它们通过分布在全身的感知系统进行整合决策和反应。植物体内存在类似于神经系统的钙离子波,这表明植物可能拥有与动物不同的神经系统。有一种藤蔓植物能够模仿周围植物的叶子形状和纹理,这引发了关于植物是否能够“看见”的讨论。植物代表了进化过程中的一种成功模式,人类并非进化过程的顶峰。对植物的新的理解,提升了我们对植物的伦理和道德责任的思考。一些土著文化将植物视为亲属或祖先,这与植物科学研究结果相呼应。 Suzanne Simard: 当前森林管理的模式是基于树木之间的竞争,这导致了大规模的工业化种植园的出现,以及对化肥和除草剂的依赖。达尔文的自然选择理论被曲解,以支持资本主义的经济模式,导致了对森林的过度砍伐。传统的森林管理模式忽略了当地社区的利益,而以经济利益为优先。土著社区的森林管理模式强调人与自然之间的相互依存和尊重。将树木视为具有精神意义的兄弟姐妹,有助于改变我们与自然的关系。“母树”的概念强调了森林中老树的重要性及其在森林再生中的作用。不同文化对年龄和老龄的看法不同,一些文化尊崇老年人的智慧。老树比年轻的树拥有更高的生物多样性,它们在碳循环中发挥着重要作用。“母树计划”是一个长期项目,旨在研究不同森林采伐方式对生态系统的影响。萨满体验使她能够与树木建立联系,并对森林的未来有了新的认识。萨满体验让她体验了树木漫长的生命周期,从幼苗到死亡,再到成为其他生物的养分。现代社会快节奏的生活方式让我们失去了对时间的长远视角,而与自然建立联系有助于恢复这种视角。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

Why do plants make decisions based on their environment?

Plants make decisions based on their environment to optimize their growth and survival. For example, trees grow branches towards light sources and reallocate resources when parts become shaded, while Venus flytraps count trigger hair flicks to decide when to close and digest prey.

Why do plants have a form of memory?

Plants have a form of memory to better respond to future threats. For instance, they can remember a previous attack by a caterpillar and activate their immune system more quickly when the same threat reoccurs.

Why can plants respond to acoustic vibrations?

Plants can respond to acoustic vibrations because they use sound as a form of information. Roots can detect the sound of running water and move towards it, and some plants can even release compounds in response to the sound of a bee buzzing nearby.

Why do plants not have brains but still exhibit intelligence?

Plants do not have brains but still exhibit intelligence because they have evolved a distributed sensing system throughout their bodies. This allows them to respond to their environment in complex ways without a centralized processing organ.

Why do some researchers believe plants may have a nervous system?

Some researchers believe plants may have a nervous system because they have found calcium waves and neurotransmitters that function similarly to those in animals. These systems allow plants to send signals and respond to stimuli in a coordinated manner.

Why can the Bochila trifoliolata vine mimic other plants?

The Bochila trifoliolata vine can mimic other plants to blend in and avoid being eaten. This vine changes its leaf shape, texture, and color to match the plants it grows beside, suggesting a form of visual perception and adaptation.

Why does Suzanne Simard's work challenge the dominant paradigm in forestry?

Suzanne Simard's work challenges the dominant paradigm in forestry by showing that trees communicate and cooperate through mycorrhizal fungal networks. Her research suggests that forests are interconnected and regenerative systems, rather than competitive tree farms.

Why is the concept of 'mother trees' significant in forest ecology?

The concept of 'mother trees' is significant because it highlights the role of large, old trees in nurturing younger trees and maintaining forest biodiversity. These trees act as hubs in the mycorrhizal network, facilitating the transfer of resources and supporting the regeneration of the forest.

Why is the age of trees important for biodiversity?

The age of trees is important for biodiversity because older trees provide more complex structures and habitats. They support a greater variety of species, from insects and birds to fungi, and play a crucial role in the carbon cycle and ecosystem resilience.

Why does Suzanne Simard believe in the importance of indigenous knowledge in forest management?

Suzanne Simard believes in the importance of indigenous knowledge in forest management because it emphasizes the interconnectedness and respect for the land. Indigenous practices focus on long-term sustainability and the well-being of the forest, which is essential for addressing climate change and ecological degradation.

Chapters
This chapter explores the concept of plant intelligence and decision-making. It uses examples like trees allocating resources based on sunlight and the Venus flytrap's sophisticated hunting mechanism to illustrate how plants make choices, even without a brain. The discussion highlights the remarkable cognitive capacity of plants.
  • Plants make decisions based on environmental stimuli.
  • The Venus flytrap exhibits counting and short-term memory.
  • Plant decision-making involves resource allocation and sophisticated hunting strategies.

Shownotes Transcript

Have you ever wondered how plants find enough light and water? How they ward off attacks from predators? It turns out they’re a lot smarter than you realize. Some plants can hear a caterpillar munching on its leaves and then send out distress signals to activate their immune system. Certain flowers can trick bees into pollinating them, even when there’s no pollen. Plants also have memories. And they may even be able to see.

Original Air Date: December 07, 2024

**Interviews In This Hour: **Plants don’t have brains, so why are they so smart?) — How do trees ‘talk’ to each other?)

**Guests: **Zoë Schlanger), Suzanne Simard)

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