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Giving Up

2024/12/14
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Maggie Jackson
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Anne: 本期节目探讨了放弃的智慧,以及在充满挑战和不确定性的生活中,如何做出勇敢而明智的选择。节目中采访了多位嘉宾,从不同角度阐述了放弃的意义和价值。 John Oakes: 禁食的经历,从最初的担忧到后来的平静和冥想,体现了放弃对身体和心灵的积极影响。禁食不仅仅是关于食物,更是关于自我控制、界限设定和反思。 Adam Phillips: 放弃确定性,拥抱未知,是通往更生动和充实生活的一条途径。放弃某些欲望和习惯,可以让人们摆脱对快乐的依赖,获得更多自由和满足感。 Maggie Jackson: 不确定性并非完全是负面的,它具有意想不到的益处。在充满不确定性的生活中,保持灵活性、适应性和开放性至关重要。 John Oakes: 禁食与宗教密切相关,是一种远离日常事务,进行沉思和反思的方式。禁食对身体的影响,会产生各种激素,让人感到平静和清晰。肠道是人体最大的感觉器官,禁食会影响肠道与大脑之间的关系。禁食的历史渊源,在不同的宗教文化中扮演着不同的角色。禁食作为一种抗议形式,是人类表达不满和争取关注的方式。禁食从宗教和精神修行演变为一种饮食和健康潮流,但其本质仍然是减少消耗,反思生活。 Adam Phillips: 在当今社会,放弃常常被视为羞耻,但有些放弃是必要的,例如放弃不喜欢的关系或兴趣。应该区分掌握一项技能的真正困难和放弃一件不喜欢的事情的困难。放弃欲望,改变与欲望的关系,可以让人们获得更多生活乐趣。许多宗教都提倡自我克制,但这种克制可能导致人们对欲望产生抵触情绪。弗洛伊德的“死亡本能”可以被重新理解为“放弃本能”,每个人都会在不同程度上体验到这种本能。承认和面对绝望是重要的,这并不意味着要否定生活中的积极方面。接纳绝望,并尝试从中找到意义,是心理分析的重要目标之一。Marian Milner 提出了“狭隘注意力”和“广阔注意力”的概念。过分专注会限制人的视野和感知,而广阔的注意力则能带来更多可能性。广阔的注意力有助于人们接触到潜意识,摆脱防御性的自我。心理分析的目标是让人们能够忘记自己,从而更好地与他人和世界互动。 Maggie Jackson: 即使是最优秀的专家,也会面临知识和能力的局限性,在手术过程中,不确定性是不可避免的。不确定性并非完全是负面的,它具有意想不到的益处。在充满不确定性的生活中,保持灵活性、适应性和开放性至关重要。不确定性会引发大脑的应激反应,促进学习和认知能力的提升。现代社会中,人们过度依赖便捷的信息和技术,导致对不确定性的容忍度降低。人工智能技术的快速发展让人们对自身思维能力的信心下降,但同时,对不确定性的研究也为人们提供了新的思考方式。放弃对确定性的需求,拥抱不确定性,可以让人们感到解放和轻松。

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Key Insights

Why is fasting considered a powerful practice beyond just health and fitness?

Fasting is seen as a way to assert agency and redefine boundaries between oneself and the world. It allows for a reconsideration of physical and mental boundaries, fostering a meditative state that can lead to unexpected insights and creativity.

What are the physiological changes that occur during fasting?

During fasting, the body releases a cocktail of chemicals including ketone bodies, endocannabinoids, serotonin, and BHB. These hormones can lead to feelings of serenity and calm, and in some cases, enhanced memory and clarity.

Why does Adam Phillips argue that giving up can be a path to feeling more alive?

Phillips suggests that giving up certainties and embracing the unknown can lead to a more profound engagement with life. It involves tapping into the unconscious and bypassing the rational self, allowing for a freer, more open experience of the world.

How does Maggie Jackson define the benefits of uncertainty in her book?

Jackson argues that uncertainty is not just a state of unease but a frontier of potential. It sharpens focus, expands working memory, and invites curiosity, making it a crucial skill in an age dominated by instant answers and efficiency.

What role does the gut play in our conscious experience, according to John Oakes?

The gut, often referred to as the second brain, contains hundreds of millions of neurons that influence our decisions and emotions. Fasting involves a conscious decision to go against the gut's impulses, creating a temporary battle between the brain in the head and the brain in the gut.

Why does Maggie Jackson believe that uncertainty is crucial in the age of AI?

Jackson highlights that AI excels in quick, heuristic thinking but lacks the reflective and liminal thinking that uncertainty fosters. Embracing uncertainty is essential for balancing the rapid, often superficial answers provided by AI with deeper, more nuanced human thought.

How does fasting historically connect with religious and protest traditions?

Fasting has deep roots in religious practices across cultures, from the Iliad to the Bible and Islam. It is also a form of protest, used by activists like Cesar Chavez to draw attention to their causes. Fasting symbolizes a withdrawal from the norm to assert a higher purpose or demand change.

What is the difference between narrow and wide attention, according to Adam Phillips?

Narrow attention is focused and goal-oriented, while wide attention is open and receptive, allowing for a broader range of stimuli and experiences. Wide attention can lead to greater creativity and a deeper engagement with the world, bypassing the protective mechanisms of the rational self.

How does Maggie Jackson describe the psychological response to uncertainty?

Uncertainty triggers a stress response that sharpens focus and expands working memory, akin to 'curious eyes.' It signals the brain that there is something to be learned, making it a powerful tool for adaptation and growth.

What does Adam Phillips mean by the 'giving up instinct'?

Phillips reframes the Freudian death instinct as a 'giving up instinct,' where giving up certain desires or certainties can lead to a more fulfilling life. It involves letting go of the need for constant pleasure and gratification, embracing a life of greater complexity and uncertainty.

Shownotes Transcript

We get the message before we’re out of training pants – when the going gets tough, look on the bright side, make lemonade out of lemons and just do it. We’re going to consider the exact opposite – the wisdom of giving up and letting go. Because sometimes, the strongest and most courageous thing you can do is walk away. 

Original Air Date: April 27, 2024

**Interviews In This Hour: **The boundary-breaking power of fasting) — How do we know when to call it quits?) — Escaping the tyranny of certainty)

**Guests: **John Oakes), Adam Phillips), Maggie Jackson)

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