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Making 'mum friends'

2024/12/12
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Beth: 结交新朋友对孩子和家长来说都很难,她以自身经历和对普遍现象的观察说明了这一点。 Nuala McGovern: 节目探讨了"妈妈朋友"这一概念,并提出了一个问题:结交妈妈朋友是积极的体验还是额外的压力?她还强调了"妈妈朋友"这一称呼本身就很有趣,它反映了妈妈们在社交方面的困境。 Jane Charrington-Cook: Jane分享了她送孩子上学时遇到的社交困境,她将学校门口的社交环境比作高中时期的派系,妈妈们会根据不同的特征分成不同的群体(例如,运动型妈妈和时尚型妈妈),难以融入其中。她认为,这种社交压力很大,尤其是在大家的孩子同年级的情况下。她还描述了她参加育儿小组的糟糕经历,并认为结交妈妈朋友更多是靠运气。 Neil: Neil 作为主持人,总结了其他发言人的观点,并补充了一些背景信息和词汇解释。他引导讨论,并提出了关于playdate起源的问题。 Beth: 结交新朋友对孩子和家长来说都很难,她以自身经历和对普遍现象的观察说明了这一点。 Nuala McGovern: 节目探讨了"妈妈朋友"这一概念,并提出了一个问题:结交妈妈朋友是积极的体验还是额外的压力?她还强调了"妈妈朋友"这一称呼本身就很有趣,它反映了妈妈们在社交方面的困境。 Jane Charrington-Cook: Jane分享了她送孩子上学时遇到的社交困境,她将学校门口的社交环境比作高中时期的派系,妈妈们会根据不同的特征分成不同的群体(例如,运动型妈妈和时尚型妈妈),难以融入其中。她认为,这种社交压力很大,尤其是在大家的孩子同年级的情况下。她还描述了她参加育儿小组的糟糕经历,并认为结交妈妈朋友更多是靠运气。 Neil: Neil 作为主持人,总结了其他发言人的观点,并补充了一些背景信息和词汇解释。他引导讨论,并提出了关于playdate起源的问题。

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Key Insights

Why is making 'mum friends' often described as a positive experience?

Mum friends can provide social support, help with babysitting, and offer a sense of community for mothers, making the experience often seen as positive.

What challenges do mothers face when trying to make 'mum friends'?

Mothers may struggle with forming cliques, feeling rejected if they don't fit into a group, or dealing with additional stress, which can make the process challenging.

What is a 'playdate' and where did the term originate?

A playdate is an arranged time for children to play together. The term originated in the United States, first appearing in the Lincoln Daily Star newspaper in 1915.

How does Jane Charrington-Cook describe the experience of making 'mum friends'?

Jane describes it as dependent on luck, where she either clicks with someone or doesn't, and she finds the pressure of bonding in baby groups ridiculous.

What are 'cliques' and how do they affect mothers at school gates?

Cliques are small groups of mothers who spend a lot of time together and may seem unfriendly to outsiders. They can make it difficult for mothers who don't fit into these groups to feel accepted.

What does 'down to luck' mean in the context of making friends?

It means that the outcome depends on chance rather than any specific effort or skill, implying that making friends is not entirely within one's control.

What is the significance of 'clicking' with someone?

Clicking with someone means feeling an immediate and positive connection upon meeting them, which can lead to forming a friendship quickly.

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Online. That's a degree better. Explore more than 300 undergraduate, graduate and certificate programmes at asunline.asu.edu. Hello. This is 6 Minute English from BBC Learning English. I'm Neil. And I'm Beth. Do you remember your first day at school, Neil?

Yes, I do. I changed schools quite a lot when I was a kid, so I had lots of first days and they were never easy. How about you, Beth?

Well, my mum always tells this story about how I was crying a lot on my first day, but apparently as soon as she left, I was quite happy. So, my mum spent the day being a bit sad and I was completely fine. Well, yes, starting school and making new friends is difficult for many children, but it's not just the kids who find it challenging.

For mums and dads who drop their kids off at the school gates in the morning and pick them up again at the end of the school day, making friends with other mums can be just as hard. Here, BBC presenter Nuala McGovern discusses this problem using the term mum friends.

So if you are a mum dropping off or picking up the kids this week, how do you feel about hanging out with other mum friends? I find that term kind of interesting as well. Mum friends, they're never called friends, they're called mum friends. Do you struggle to make those relationships or do you thrive on them? Or are you perfectly happy without them?

Mum friends are usually the mums of other children in your child's class at school. They might go for coffee together, help out with babysitting or chat about being a mother. But is making new mum friends really the positive experience it's often described as, or an additional stress for already overworked mothers?

That's what we'll be discussing in this programme, along with some useful new vocabulary. And if the idea of mum friends is new to you, why not take a minute to read through the list of vocabulary before you listen? It's easy to find on our website bbclearningenglish.com. Now Beth, I have a question for you. Another term often associated with mum friends is playdate – a

a time that parents arrange for their children to play together. But according to the Oxford English Dictionary, where does the term playdate come from? Is the origin in a Australia, b New Zealand or c the United States of America? I'm going to guess the USA, c. OK. Feeling confident? Yes. Well, we'll see at the end of the programme.

For some mums, dropping their kids off at school reminds them of when they themselves were little and under pressure to make friends. Listen as mum Jane Charrington-Cook describes these feelings to BBC Radio 4 programme Woman's Hour.

The school gates take you back to being back at school. It is, like you said, a high school clique. You've got the sporty mums over there, you've got the glam mums over there, you've got, you know, and if you don't fit into one of those, it's really, really difficult to navigate. And yet you're all there just because your children were born in the same year. It's a really weird thing.

Jane says that mums often form cliques, small groups of people who like spending time together and seem unfriendly towards others. For example, at Jane's daughter's school, there's a clique of sporty mums and a clique of glam mums who put on makeup and dress up.

Jane uses the adjective glam as a shortened form of the word glamour, meaning attractive and exciting. Problems start when someone doesn't fit into one of the cliques. If you fit into a group of people, you feel you belong and are accepted, probably because you are similar to them.

So some mums feel rejected from cliques and worry about their children being left out of playdates. But other mums don't mind. If people want to be friends, that's fine. And if they don't, that's fine too. Being a mum is hard enough without adding more stress. Jane definitely belongs to this group, as she explains to BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour.

I think I'd had some really bad experiences at baby groups where you're trying to make your child do yoga or paint when they're four months old and trying to bond with these other women. And I just thought this is ridiculous. And I pretty much straight away realised it was going to be just down to luck if I met somebody that I clicked with.

Jane says it's down to luck if she makes mum friends. If you say something is down to luck, you mean it depends on chance rather than any skill or effort you make. But there's always the possibility you'll meet someone and click with them – become friends as soon as you start talking. Well, I know something that isn't down to luck, Neil – the answer to your question. Ah yes, I asked you about the origin of the term playdate. Which country does it come from?

I think it's the USA. Well, Beth, you are right. Yay! So, well done. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, playdate was first used in the Lincoln Daily Star newspaper in Nebraska, USA in 1915. OK. Let's recap the vocabulary we've learnt, starting with playdate – an arrangement that parents make for their young children to play together. OK.

A clique is a small group of people who spend a lot of time together and may seem unfriendly towards other people. Glam is short for glamorous, meaning visually attractive and exciting. If you fit into a group of people, you belong and feel accepted by them because you're similar to them.

If you say something is down to luck, you mean that it depends on chance or luck rather than any skill or effort you make. And finally, if you click with someone, you feel a friendly and positive connection when you meet them for the first time. Once again, our time is up. Why not head over to the BBC Learning English website to find a quiz and worksheet for this programme while it's still fresh in your mind. See you again soon. Goodbye for now. Bye.

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