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Classic Desert Island Discs - Baroness Hale

2024/12/22
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Lauren Laverne: 本期节目邀请了退休法官Brenda Hale 女士,回顾了她辉煌的职业生涯,其中包括许多“第一次”,例如成为首位女性法律委员和首位女性最高法院院长。她于2019年就议会停摆案做出的裁决,以及她当天佩戴的蜘蛛胸针,都引起了公众的广泛关注。 Brenda Hale: 我成功的秘诀是尽力做到最好。在职业生涯中,我为社会弱势群体发声,包括妇女、儿童、残疾人和弱势群体。我热爱音乐和唱歌,我的拿手曲目是《On Il Climor Batat》。 Lauren Laverne: 2019年关于议会停摆的裁决是一个具有里程碑意义的时刻。你对这个裁决感到满意而非自豪,因为这是所有法官一致同意的理性结论。最高法院的裁决并非要阻止脱欧,而是要决定政府在脱欧进程中哪些行为是合法的。法官的裁决应遵循法律,而非公众意见。你佩戴的蜘蛛胸针纯属巧合,并非有意为之。 Brenda Hale: 我父母相爱很深,是平等的伴侣关系。我从小就意志坚定,坚持自己的想法。13岁丧父对我打击很大,让我意识到独立的重要性。在剑桥大学学习法律期间,我经历过冒名顶替综合症,但最终以优异成绩毕业。我选择学术职位而不是直接从事律师工作,是因为当时女性律师职业发展困难。我通过努力证明了女性也能胜任律师工作。我公开支持女权主义,但这并不总是受欢迎的。我未能当选最高法院院长可能与我的女权主义立场有关。我坦诚地承认自己有时缺乏外交手腕。 Lauren Laverne: 你在《大师级厨师》节目中因为不够热情而被剪辑了很多评论。你对1989年儿童法案感到自豪,因为它简化了儿童保护法律体系。作为法官,你既要富有同情心,有时也需要铁石心肠。你选择Gloria乐队的《Hand in Hand》是为了纪念你女儿的同性伴侣关系。你和你丈夫朱利安在相识多年后坠入爱河。你选择威尔第的《安魂曲》中的《愤怒日》是为了纪念你的丈夫。你选择一本荒岛生存手册作为你的书籍选择,一个太阳能电脑作为你的奢侈品,以及巴赫的《b小调弥撒曲》中的《荣耀颂》作为你最喜欢的歌曲。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

Why did Baroness Hale choose to pursue a career in law?

She was drawn to law because it affects everyone in every aspect of life, offering stories, arguments, justice, and injustice. It encompasses everything, making it an appealing field.

What was Baroness Hale's approach to speaking up on issues during her career?

She focused on advocating for less advantaged groups, including women, children, people with disabilities, mental health issues, and those without sufficient means. She felt it necessary to voice concerns for these marginalized groups.

What was the significance of the spider brooch Baroness Hale wore during the 2019 Supreme Court judgment?

The brooch was part of her collection, chosen to complement her outfit. It was not intended to convey any hidden messages, though it became a cultural sensation due to its timing and her landmark announcement.

How did Baroness Hale feel about the Supreme Court's decision on the prorogation of Parliament in 2019?

She felt satisfaction in reaching a reasoned conclusion unanimously, though it was not a source of pride. The judgment was necessary to uphold the law, even if it was difficult to declare the Prime Minister's actions unlawful.

What challenges did Baroness Hale face as a woman in the legal profession?

She faced skepticism from colleagues who believed women were not suited for the adversarial nature of the bar. Despite this, she worked to prove them wrong and advocate for gender equality in the legal field.

What was Baroness Hale's favorite piece of music, and why?

Her favorite was the Gloria from Bach's Mass in B minor because it uplifted her spirits and allowed her to imagine conducting a choir and orchestra, even on a desert island.

How did Baroness Hale's background in family law influence her approach to judging?

Her experience in family law taught her the necessity of empathy, but also the need to harden her heart at times to make difficult decisions, such as removing children from harmful environments.

What was the significance of the 1989 Children Act in Baroness Hale's career?

The Children Act was a significant achievement as it streamlined the legal processes for child protection, creating a unified system with consistent criteria and outcomes for children's welfare.

How did Baroness Hale's father's early death shape her outlook on life?

Her father's death at a young age influenced her determination to pursue higher education and a career, as she realized the importance of independence and financial security for women.

What was the inspiration behind Baroness Hale's choice of a solar-powered computer as her luxury item on the desert island?

She chose a solar-powered computer with Sudoku puzzles and a writing application to keep her mind active and to allow her to continue writing, even in isolation.

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This chapter explores Baroness Hale's distinguished legal career, highlighting her numerous achievements as a pioneer in the field. It also touches upon her approach to advocating for the less privileged.
  • First woman and youngest person appointed to the Law Commission
  • First woman law lord in the UK
  • First woman president of the Supreme Court
  • Landmark ruling on the prorogation of Parliament

Shownotes Transcript

Brenda Hale, Baroness Hale of Richmond, is a former judge who served as the first female president of the Supreme Court. In 2019 she announced the court’s judgement that the prorogation of Parliament was ‘unlawful, void and of no effect’. The twinkling spider brooch she wore that day caused a sensation and set social media aflame. She was the first woman and the youngest person to be appointed to the Law Commission and in 2004 became the UK’s first woman law lord.

Lady Hale was born in Yorkshire and read law at the University of Cambridge where she graduated top of her class. She spent almost 20 years in academia and also practised as a barrister. Later at the Law commission she led the work on what became the 1989 Children Act.

Lady Hale retired as a judge in January 2020.

DISC ONE: Messiah - Part 1: O Thou That Tellest Good Tidings To Zion, composed by Georg Friedrich Händel, performed by Kathleen Ferrier and The London Philharmonic Orchestra, conducted by Sir Adrian Boult DISC TWO: Love Me Do by The Beatles DISC THREE: Move Him Into The Sun. Composed and conducted by Benjamin Britten. Performed by Peter Pears (tenor) and Galina Vishnevskaya (soprano) with the Bach Choir and the London Symphony Orchestra DISC FOUR: Part 1 Nos 4 & 5: Gloria in excelsis Deo – Et in terra pax. Composed by Johann Sebastian Bach, performed by The Monteverdi Choir and The English Baroque Soloists and conducted by Sir John Eliot Gardiner DISC FIVE: The Marriage of Figaro), K. 492 Sull'Aria. Composed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, performed by sopranos Charlotte Margiono and Barbara Bonney, Netherlands Opera Chorus and the Concertgebouw Orchestra DISC SIX: Hand in Hand by Glória (Ireland’s Gay and Lesbian Choir)
DISC SEVEN: Parry: I Was Glad, composed by Hubert Parry, performed by Westminster Abbey Choir, Simon Preston (organ) and conducted by William McKinney DISC EIGHT: Dies Irae. Composed by Giuseppe Verdi, performed by Swedish Radio Choir and the Eric Ericson Chamber Choir, with the Berlin Philharmonic, conducted by Claudio Abbado

BOOK CHOICE: A Desert Island survival manual LUXURY ITEM: A solar-powered computer with sudoku puzzles and a writing application
CASTAWAY'S FAVOURITE: Part 1 Nos 4 & 5: Gloria in excelsis Deo – Et in terra pax, composed by Johann Sebastian Bach, performed by The Monteverdi Choir and The English Baroque Soloists, conducted by Sir John Eliot Gardiner

Presenter Lauren Laverne Producer Paula McGinley