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#319 New CPT Code 96041 Explained: 2025 Billing for Genetic Counselors

2024/12/13
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Colleen Campbell: 新的CPT编码96041去掉了"面对面"的限制,更清晰地涵盖了遗传咨询师的全部工作时间,包括准备、咨询和后续工作。这解决了之前"面对面"语言带来的歧义,并更准确地反映了遗传咨询师的工作内容。爱荷华大学医疗保健中心的计费团队正在创建标准化语言,方便遗传咨询师记录准备时间和当日服务总时间,简化了计费流程。新编码有助于更准确地反映遗传咨询师的工作量,从而获得更合理的报酬,并有助于雇主更准确地了解遗传咨询师的工作时间分配,从而更好地支持团队发展。新编码将提高遗传咨询师的报酬,并可能促进遗传咨询师岗位的增加。通过推动《获得遗传咨询服务法案》的通过,可以促使医疗保险和医疗补助服务中心(CMS)认可遗传咨询师,从而影响其他商业保险公司的支付政策。美国的医疗计费流程比想象中更灵活,遗传咨询师应积极与计费部门沟通,并提供其他机构的成功案例。新编码的实施初期可能会遇到一些问题,但这属于正常现象,最终会得到改善。NSGC正在努力与支付方沟通,并寻求第三方机构的协助以改善遗传咨询师的报销情况。 Brian Reys: 新的CPT编码96041去掉了"面对面"的限制,更清晰地涵盖了遗传咨询师的全部工作时间,包括准备、咨询和后续工作。UT西南医学中心的团队正在探索如何更有效地衡量和记录工作时间,例如利用电子病历系统中的自动化计算器。新编码要求在当日完成准备工作,但并不禁止提前准备,只要不影响患者护理质量。获得报销的关键在于遗传咨询师获得独立执业资格的认可,这在没有执照的州尤为重要。新的CPT编码为与支付方重新谈判,争取遗传咨询师的独立执业资格认可提供了机会。遗传咨询助理(GCA)的工作时间不单独计费,其价值已包含在新编码中。新编码没有50%规则,只要总时间达到16分钟即可使用该编码。只计费遗传咨询师与患者的会诊时间,GCA的时间不单独计费。对于多名提供者参与的会诊,需要与内部计费团队沟通,确保符合支付方的规定。如果之前在使用旧编码时允许研究生参与会诊并进行计费,那么在新编码下也应该可以继续进行。建议尽快使用新编码,即使某些支付方尚未更新系统,以便在出现拒付时有理有据地申诉。 Kira Dineen: 作为一名遗传咨询师,我对新编码的实施和计费方式有很多疑问,例如前一天晚上准备工作是否可以计入当日工作时间,以及如何处理研究生参与会诊和遗传咨询助理(GCA)参与工作的情况。新编码有望通过提高机构的报销额,从而增加遗传咨询师的就业机会。

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Key Insights

Why was the new CPT Code 96041 introduced for genetic counselors in 2025?

The new CPT Code 96041 was introduced to address the outdated 'face-to-face' language in the previous code, making it more inclusive of telehealth and recognizing the total time genetic counselors spend on patient care, including preparation and documentation. This change aims to improve billing accuracy and reimbursement for genetic counselors.

What are the key differences between the old CPT Code 96040 and the new CPT Code 96041?

The key differences include the removal of 'face-to-face' language, allowing for total time billing, and the inclusion of non-face-to-face activities such as preparation and documentation. This change better reflects the comprehensive work genetic counselors do and ensures more accurate billing.

How does the new CPT Code 96041 impact documentation and billing for genetic counselors?

The new code requires genetic counselors to document the total time spent on patient care, including preparation, counseling, and follow-up. Institutions are creating standardized language and tools to help counselors accurately report this time, ensuring compliance with billing requirements.

What activities are now eligible for billing under CPT Code 96041?

Activities eligible for billing under CPT Code 96041 include preparation, counseling sessions, documentation, and follow-up communications. This comprehensive approach ensures that all time spent on patient care is reportable.

How does the new CPT Code 96041 broaden access to genetic counseling services?

The new code supports telehealth, making genetic counseling more accessible to patients regardless of their location. It also allows for more accurate billing, which can lead to better reimbursement and more widespread availability of genetic counseling services.

What is the 50% rule, and does it apply to CPT Code 96041?

The 50% rule, which applies to evaluation and management codes, requires that at least half of the time spent on a service must be face-to-face with the patient. However, this rule does not apply to CPT Code 96041, allowing genetic counselors to bill for any combination of preparation, counseling, and documentation time.

What are the potential hurdles in payer reimbursement for CPT Code 96041, and how can they be addressed?

Potential hurdles include payer contracting and credentialing, especially in states without genetic counselor licensure. Genetic counselors can address these by working with their institutions to develop internal processes and by advocating for recognition and credentialing with payers.

How does the new CPT Code 96041 impact billing for genetic counseling assistants (GCAs)?

GCAs are valued as part of the code, but their time is not reported separately. It is assumed that their tasks are part of the standard care process and are included in the total time reported by the genetic counselor.

What is the role of the National Society of Genetic Counselors (NSGC) in educating stakeholders about the new CPT Code 96041?

The NSGC is providing resources and education to help genetic counselors and institutions understand and implement the new code. This includes webinars, presentations, and a dedicated webpage with FAQs and clinical workflow considerations.

What is the significance of the Access to Genetic Counselor Services Act in relation to CPT Code 96041?

The Access to Genetic Counselor Services Act is crucial for getting genetic counselors recognized as independent providers by Medicare. This recognition would improve reimbursement and encourage private insurance companies to follow suit, enhancing access to genetic counseling services.

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This chapter introduces the new CPT code 96041, effective January 1st, 2025, which is a game-changer for genetic counselors. It explains the shift from "face-to-face" to "total time" billing and the reasons behind this update. The impact on documentation, billing, and expanded access through telehealth are also discussed.
  • New CPT code 96041 effective January 1st, 2025
  • Shift from "face-to-face" to "total time" billing
  • Includes prep time, patient time, and documentation time
  • Telehealth eligible
  • Addresses the need for updated billing practices to reflect genetic counselor's activities

Shownotes Transcript

With 2025 right around the corner, we are discussing the brand new CPT Code 96041 that will be effective January 1st, 2025. This is a game-changer for the genetic counseling profession, and we have two experts to break it down for us.

Dr. Colleen Campbell is in the last weeks of her NSGC presidency. She also serves as the Director of Genetic Counseling Operations for University of Iowa Health Care. We’re also joined by Brian Reys, a cancer genetic counselor and manager at UT Southwestern’s Cancer Genetics Program. He also serves as a CPT Coding Advisor to NSGC. Colleen and Brian will explain how this new code affects billing and what genetic counselors need to know for 2025!

On This Episode We Discuss:

Key Differences: Explained the shift from "face-to-face" to "total time" billing between codes.

Why the Change? Discussed the reasons behind the update and its necessity for the field.

Total Time Billing: Detailed how this impacts documentation and billing.

Billable Activities: Highlighted activities now eligible for billing under 96041.

Expanded Access: Explored how telehealth eligibility broadens access to genetic counseling.

Best Practices: Provided tips for accurate time documentation.

The 50% Rule: Explained the significance and implications.

Payer Reimbursement: Discussed potential hurdles and advocacy strategies.

Medicare and Medicaid: Analyzed coverage limitations and the path to Medicare recognition.

State-Specific Medicaid Policies: Emphasized the importance of understanding local regulations.

Multiple Provider Encounters: Explained how the new code applies in complex scenarios.

Student Involvement: Discussed billing practices during supervised encounters.

Institutional Adoption: Provided guidance for clinics and institutions.

Collaboration: Highlighted the importance of working with billing and compliance departments.

NSGC's Role: Discussed the organization's efforts to educate stakeholders.

Individual Advocacy: Encouraged listeners to actively advocate for the new code.

Real-World Application: Walked through a hypothetical patient interaction to illustrate time documentation and billing.

GCA Value: Discussed the potential impact of 96041 on GCA roles.

Independent Provider Status: Explored the potential implications for genetic counselors' recognition.

Integration into Healthcare: Discussed the role of 96041 in mainstream healthcare.

Final Advice: Offered concluding advice for genetic counselors and billing departments.

Colleen A. Campbell), PhD, MS, LGC, serves as the 2024 President of the National Society of Genetic Counselors. She also serves as the Director of Genetic Counseling Operations for University of Iowa Health Care where she oversees the administration, standardization and continuous improvement of genetic counseling operations across the health system. In addition, she is a Clinical Associate Professor in the university’s Department of Internal Medicine. Dr. Campbell is an experienced clinician, researcher and educator in clinical genetics, and a recognized leader in the genetic counseling community for her passionate work growing the genetic counseling workforce in underserved areas and advocacy work. She led the successful Iowa legislative effort to license genetic counselors and is actively involved with H.R. 3876/ S.2323 the Access to Genetic Counselor Services Act, to improve patient access to genetic counseling services. Some highlights of her presidential term include leading the development of the 2025-2027 NSGC Strategic Plan, convening the global genetic counseling community in conversations about the global genetic counselor workforce, and leading the development of a four-prong approach to improve reimbursement for genetic counselor services. As a result of her work, she was awarded the 2018 National Society of Genetic Counselors Strategic Leader Award, 2020 Sarah Lawrence College Joan H. Marks Graduate Program in Human Genetics Distinguished Alumna Award, and 2024 Saint Mary’s College Distinguished Alumnae Award.

 

Brian Reys, M.S., CGC, joined UT Southwestern Medical Center’s Cancer Genetics) Program in 2015. He sees patients at multiple UT Southwestern clinics. He completed his Master of Science degree in medical genetics and genetic counseling at the University of Cincinnati Genetic Counseling Program in 2013.  During his training, he completed a specialized internship in cancer genetics with the Cedars Sinai, GenRISK program in Los Angeles. Prior to moving to Texas, he worked as a genetic counselor in Southern California in the areas of prenatal, pediatric, and cancer genetic counseling. In addition to being a manager with the UT Southwestern Cancer Genetics Program, Reys is a panel member of the National Comprehensive Cancer Network (NCCN) Prostate Cancer Early Detection panel and a CPT Coding Advisor to the National Society of Genetic Counselors (NSGC). He is committed to bridging patient and provider understanding of somatic and germline genetic testing. He has a particular interest in the genetic contribution to prostate, kidney, and bladder cancers. Reys believes that UT Southwestern’s experience in developing leading software in the field of genetic counseling risk assessment is key to increasing the accessibility of genetic counseling and testing for all patients and their families.

 

The National Society of Genetic Counselors (NSGC) created the 2025 Changes to CPT® Billing Code) page as a hub for resources relating to the new 96041 code. This includes the recordings for two presentations: one from the annual conference that took place in New Orleans in September, “Goodbye 96040, Hello 9x100: A Genetic Counseling CPT® Code Update for all Genetic Counselors”. And more recently, “CPT Billing Code Updates Webinar: Preparing for 2025)” that was live streamed on November 19th, 2024 that was presented by the NSGC Access and Service Delivery (ASD) Committee. There is also a helpful 9 page PDF that answers frequently asked questions (FAQs)). These resources require a NSGC membership login.

 

Any additional questions can be submitted to [email protected] with the subject line “CPT/PAYER QUESTION.”

 

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