Their friendship has been tested and evolved due to their collaborative work on Overthink. They've had to navigate tensions, work through difficulties, and maintain a high level of honesty and communication, which has deepened their bond and mutual respect.
Modern society undervalues friendship compared to romantic relationships, which are extensively depicted in media like movies, songs, and reality TV. This lack of representation leaves people unsure about how to be good friends, what to expect from friendships, and when to hold friends accountable, leading to ambiguity and frustration.
The philosophy of mutual self-disclosure, or the 'secrets view,' is criticized for being too negative and limited. It focuses on the act of keeping secrets rather than the positive aspects of friendship, such as mutual growth, shared interests, and goodwill. Critics argue that true friendship involves more than just secret-sharing.
Men often struggle with forming deep friendships because they are less inclined to share secrets and engage in face-to-face emotional conversations. This is partly due to societal norms that emphasize stoicism and the idea that men should not air their 'dirty laundry,' leading to a loneliness epidemic among men.
Aristotle differentiates between complete friendships and friendships of utility and pleasure based on the nature of the relationship. Complete friendships are characterized by mutual care for the friend's own sake, a deep and lasting bond, and a fusion of wills. Friendships of utility and pleasure, on the other hand, are instrumental and based on what one gains from the other, making them less durable and more easily dissolved.
Friendships of utility and pleasure are more common because they are based on what one gains from the other, such as practical help or enjoyment. They are less durable because they lack the deep, intrinsic bond and mutual care found in complete friendships, making them more likely to end when the benefits are no longer present.
Physical proximity is crucial in maintaining strong friendships because it allows for more frequent, meaningful interactions. While digital media can foster connections, face-to-face interactions are necessary for deepening relationships and providing the emotional support and presence that true friends offer.
Bacon argues that friends help clarify and order our thinking by providing an external perspective that counters our self-flattering biases. This externalization of thoughts through friendly conversation allows us to see our ideas more clearly, gain new insights, and make better judgments.
People in positions of power, such as kings, struggle to form genuine friendships because true friendship requires equality. Raising someone to the same level as a powerful figure can create contradictions and potential dangers, making it difficult for them to have friends who can provide the necessary emotional support and honest feedback.
Bacon's concept of friendship resonates with the evolutionary perspective because both emphasize the importance of social connections for human well-being and success. Bacon argues that humans are social creatures, not solitary ones, and that friendship is essential for maintaining mental and emotional health.
Even with endless social scripts around romance, we hardly know what it means to be a good friend. In episode 114 of Overthink, Ellie and David reflect on the highs and lows of friendship, from their own bond to Montaigne’s intimate connection to Étienne de La Boétie. From Aristotle’s Nichomachean Ethics to today’s loneliness epidemic, they question what friends do, how they hold each other accountable, and the deep ways in which our vices and virtues are shaped by our friends. Plus, in the bonus, they talk Ralph Waldo Emerson, intimacy, dyadic relationships, high school friends, and… pluralectics?
Check out the episode's extended cut here!)Works DiscussedAristotle, Nichomachean EthicsFrancis Bacon, “Of Friendship”Lydia Denworth, Friendship: The Evolution, Biology, and Extraordinary Power of Life’s Fundamental BondElijah Milgram, “Aristotle on Making Other Selves”Michel de Montaigne, “Of Friendship”Lawrence Thomas, “The Character of Friendship” **Modem Futura)**Modem Futura is your guide to the bold frontiers of tomorrow, where technology,... Listen on: Apple Podcasts) Spotify)
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