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Friendship

2024/10/8
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Ellie Anderson: 本期节目探讨友谊的普遍意义,并结合自身友谊经历,从哲学角度分析友谊的本质、益处和挑战。她认为社会缺乏关于友谊的明确规范,导致人们常常不知道如何成为好朋友,也难以界定友谊的界限和对朋友的合理期待。她还探讨了不同哲学家对友谊的观点,例如Lawrence Thomas的秘密观、Elijah Milgram对亚里士多德友谊观的解读以及蒙田对友谊的单一性观点。此外,她还谈到了在友谊中进行问责的重要性以及由此带来的挑战。最后,她还探讨了友谊的进化适应性以及数字媒体对友谊的影响。 David Peña-Guzman: 本期节目探讨友谊的普遍意义,并结合自身友谊经历,从哲学角度分析友谊的本质、益处和挑战。他认为现代社会过分重视浪漫关系,而忽视了其他重要的人际关系。他和Ellie的友谊在Overthink项目的开展中得到了发展,并经历了各种挑战。他认为坦诚沟通是克服友谊冲突的关键,并探讨了不同哲学家对友谊的观点,例如亚里士多德的三种友谊类型以及培根对友谊益处的论述。他还探讨了在友谊中进行问责的重要性以及由此带来的挑战,以及友谊与浪漫关系的界限问题。最后,他还探讨了友谊的进化适应性以及数字媒体对友谊的影响。

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Why do Ellie and David believe their friendship has been tested and evolved over time?

Their friendship has been tested and evolved due to their collaborative work on Overthink. They've had to navigate tensions, work through difficulties, and maintain a high level of honesty and communication, which has deepened their bond and mutual respect.

Why is there a lack of social scripts around friendship in modern society?

Modern society undervalues friendship compared to romantic relationships, which are extensively depicted in media like movies, songs, and reality TV. This lack of representation leaves people unsure about how to be good friends, what to expect from friendships, and when to hold friends accountable, leading to ambiguity and frustration.

Why does the philosophy of mutual self-disclosure in friendships face criticism?

The philosophy of mutual self-disclosure, or the 'secrets view,' is criticized for being too negative and limited. It focuses on the act of keeping secrets rather than the positive aspects of friendship, such as mutual growth, shared interests, and goodwill. Critics argue that true friendship involves more than just secret-sharing.

Why might men struggle with forming deep friendships according to the podcast?

Men often struggle with forming deep friendships because they are less inclined to share secrets and engage in face-to-face emotional conversations. This is partly due to societal norms that emphasize stoicism and the idea that men should not air their 'dirty laundry,' leading to a loneliness epidemic among men.

Why does Aristotle differentiate between complete friendships and friendships of utility and pleasure?

Aristotle differentiates between complete friendships and friendships of utility and pleasure based on the nature of the relationship. Complete friendships are characterized by mutual care for the friend's own sake, a deep and lasting bond, and a fusion of wills. Friendships of utility and pleasure, on the other hand, are instrumental and based on what one gains from the other, making them less durable and more easily dissolved.

Why do friendships of utility and pleasure tend to be more common and less durable?

Friendships of utility and pleasure are more common because they are based on what one gains from the other, such as practical help or enjoyment. They are less durable because they lack the deep, intrinsic bond and mutual care found in complete friendships, making them more likely to end when the benefits are no longer present.

Why does physical proximity matter in maintaining strong friendships?

Physical proximity is crucial in maintaining strong friendships because it allows for more frequent, meaningful interactions. While digital media can foster connections, face-to-face interactions are necessary for deepening relationships and providing the emotional support and presence that true friends offer.

Why does Bacon argue that friendship aids understanding and judgment?

Bacon argues that friends help clarify and order our thinking by providing an external perspective that counters our self-flattering biases. This externalization of thoughts through friendly conversation allows us to see our ideas more clearly, gain new insights, and make better judgments.

Why might people in positions of power struggle to form genuine friendships?

People in positions of power, such as kings, struggle to form genuine friendships because true friendship requires equality. Raising someone to the same level as a powerful figure can create contradictions and potential dangers, making it difficult for them to have friends who can provide the necessary emotional support and honest feedback.

Why does Bacon's concept of friendship resonate with the evolutionary perspective on human social bonds?

Bacon's concept of friendship resonates with the evolutionary perspective because both emphasize the importance of social connections for human well-being and success. Bacon argues that humans are social creatures, not solitary ones, and that friendship is essential for maintaining mental and emotional health.

Shownotes Transcript

Even with endless social scripts around romance, we hardly know what it means to be a good friend. In episode 114 of Overthink, Ellie and David reflect on the highs and lows of friendship, from their own bond to Montaigne’s intimate connection to Étienne de La Boétie. From Aristotle’s Nichomachean Ethics to today’s loneliness epidemic, they question what friends do, how they hold each other accountable, and the deep ways in which our vices and virtues are shaped by our friends. Plus, in the bonus, they talk Ralph Waldo Emerson, intimacy, dyadic relationships, high school friends, and… pluralectics?

Check out the episode's extended cut here!)Works DiscussedAristotle, Nichomachean EthicsFrancis Bacon, “Of Friendship”Lydia Denworth, Friendship: The Evolution, Biology, and Extraordinary Power of Life’s Fundamental BondElijah Milgram, “Aristotle on Making Other Selves”Michel de Montaigne, “Of Friendship”Lawrence Thomas, “The Character of Friendship” **Modem Futura)**Modem Futura is your guide to the bold frontiers of tomorrow, where technology,... Listen on: Apple Podcasts)   Spotify)

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