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All right. Brian Kirshner's here. Kyle Hewitt's here. My two best friends in the world. We've never do a pot. We've never done a podcast of three of us. So I have, uh, I've absolutely no idea how this is going to go. It might be a terrible idea. It might be a great idea. I guess we'll see. We'll start with you, Brian. How are you doing on this, uh, open championship recap Monday afternoon? You
You know, there's a lot to look forward to in the world right now. We got breaking 50 with Bryson and Trump tomorrow. We got a new Democratic nominee. We got the 3M open in Blaine, Minnesota. Like usually there's a little bit of a letdown after such an amazing week in Scotland, but I'm hyped up. Lots to look forward to. Lots to digest this week. Kyle, welcome to the pod, man. How we doing?
It's tough to follow that intro up, but I'm doing well. I'm excited to get the gang together on an actual podcast format for the first time. I think it'll be a fun way to kind of recap what we just all talked through and saw today.
this past weekend at the Open in Scotland, where Brian made a lot of friends. Brian's the most hated man in Scotland. Yeah, so I mean, I have a little bit of a format for us to follow where we're going to do some recap on the Open Championship, obviously. We're going to talk about some broader winners and losers of major season, and then, of course, do a little 3M Open bets at the end. But before we get into any
of the winners or losers, winners and losers, or any of our big laps or apologies as well. I think we got to start with like overarching thoughts about Xander. So I'll kick it to you first, Brian.
What were some of your big takeaways watching Xander capture his second major championship of the year yesterday? Yeah, I think it just goes to kind of a broader point that we see a lot in golf and in professional golf is you really got to mix to win. You got to go through the gauntlet and have a lot of close calls and have a lot of runner ups and quote unquote blow tournaments and
a decent amount to actually go out and win these big events. You know, it's very hard to just show up and get it done. So I think that kind of what happened at the players, what happened at Wells Fargo, you know, I think if Xander wins one of those, like, I don't know if he's a two-time major champion this year, but I think without a doubt, most complete player on the PGA tour. And usually guys don't win two majors in a year. So yeah,
It was very, very impressive from Xander, not only this week at Troon, but also at the PGA, obviously. Well, hang on. You think if he didn't win, you think him not winning the players and Quail Hollow helped? Because I would say that
I don't know if what is possible at, I don't know if what we saw true and would be possible if he didn't have that pot lip in for him at Valhalla. No, I mean, free, like not the Valhalla. I'm saying, yeah, I think it would have been tough for him to win the open without getting a major earlier in the year. But I think like having those really two close calls, uh,
early in the year helped him a lot at Valhalla. And I think he learned a lot from those losses and kind of propelled him over the finish line. So, you know, I'm not going to turn a negative into a positive, but I do think those close calls really did set him up well for that first major, at least. No, I couldn't agree more. And I'll kick it to you in a second, Kyle, but just to expand upon your point, Brian, I mean,
This is like a Vic lap and taking the L in the same take, basically. But you guys know I've been a pretty adamant, longstanding Xander believer.
believer from day one. And I say that as somebody who not only didn't profit on either one of Xander majors wins this year, but I would argue that Xander winning each of those two majors were like the least profitable potential outcome for me, given the fact that I had from a DFS perspective at Valhalla with and batting to with Bryson and
and and hovland at valhalla and then henley lowry and scheffler surrounding him on the leaderboard in a great dfs lineup at uh at true where xander winning each of those two majors was like the worst thing that could have happened for my post for my bank account now with that being said i did a podcast with chris powers right after he blew the players and i think that was kind of
the peak of Xander's a choke artist, Xander's gutless, you know, it kind of actually, in fairness, went a step further at Quail Hollow. But the point that I've made during that podcast, the entire ethos of that podcast was talking about how
Like Xander's actually been a lot better on these Sundays than you would think from a statistical standpoint, like he's had a couple bad breaks in there where he's just gotten beat by some of these ceiling rounds. And if you go back and actually run through how Xander performs in big tournaments and how Xander performs, uh,
particularly on Sundays. And he's had a couple of great like early career wins where he's just absolutely dominated the field on Sunday. And I think that back nine at Troon was one of the better back nines in recent major championship history. And the point being was, you know, it is a matter of if not when with the guy and that if the guy continues to put himself in the mix, then
I'm really not too concerned. I'm still a huge buy on this guy's future. For whatever reason, I chose not to buy these two weeks, and I certainly did not think it would happen this soon. But were you surprised, Kyle, to see him kind of reel off to in such a short period of time? I was more surprised to see him get it across the finish line the first time. Not that I
Not that I didn't think he was going to do that. He has a lot of scar tissue this year specifically as well, you know, somewhat kind of not going out and taking the players. And then, you know, you guys mentioned Wells Fargo is as well, but yeah,
I'm not really surprised he has two at this point in his career. Maybe the fact that he got them in such close kind of calls or close, you know, proximity to one another make, makes it surprising. But, you know, we were talking today, he's got 11 straight top,
18s and majors. So Xander's been floating around the top of leaderboards at majors for a while. He's had his chance to win a few majors in the past, but hasn't been able to get it done. And that's always kind of been his ordeal. I thought Sunday Xander was probably the most impressive round of golf we saw at a major this year. I don't...
the back nine specifically, he birdied six out of six holes in a, from six through 16. So he's six under through six,
The six holes on the back nine. Yeah, starting at 11, right? Which is the hardest hole on the course. Where he hit it to two feet from the fescue. And then he hits it to 10 feet again on 13. So he was hitting big shot after big shot. And it almost felt like once he got the lead, he wasn't going to... I almost felt like... And it's funny because you never feel this way with Xander. Like what a 180...
I felt like when he grabbed the leave on Sunday on the back nine, he wasn't, he wasn't going to give it up. I thought he was going to win the tournament, which is so funny because historically he's been thought of as the guy who's always kind of there at the finish line and coughs it up or doesn't, doesn't make the big move. So extremely impressed with Xander. I also thought he kind of played with, and I don't know if you guys noticed this or agree, but I think he played with more of a swagger than I can ever remember him playing with picket. A lot of quick peeks,
quick tee pickups, a lot of walking in a putts too specifically. I can remember him legitimately walking in when they weren't even close to get like, like the whole, like he just knew they were going in. He was smiling a little bit as well, which I haven't really seen from, from Xander on a Sunday round at a major before. So I just, I went back and I watched rewatched some of the highlights before, before hopping on here and just really, really impressed with, with, with him. You know,
throughout all the majors and, and, and the players, you know, four top tens in the majors this year and a second place at the players. So, yeah. Yeah. I think, I think Brian to the next question I wanted, because it, it goes off your point about them being so close together. And I know for me, and I would imagine you're in a similar camp. One of the biggest reasons why we didn't bet Xander this week. I mean, obviously it's a hundred percent would have been on him. Like now,
Like, well, I mean, listen, he's an amazing course fit. He's an amazing course fit everywhere. Like he was second in my first or second in my model every single week with Scotty Scheffler. But the concept of Xander winning two majors in the same year was not something I was really ready to wrap my head around yet. And I made this point earlier about this year in particular, the way that the calendar worked.
This was the closest that the four major championships have been together. Right. And I think this is going to be what the calendar is going forward. And I think how it is right now, where a lot of these guys like, you know,
a lot of the best players played one, maybe two times between the U.S. Open and the Open Champions. And they were both big events. And they were both big events, right? So these days where you had to peak for different majors at different times, those days are gone. Most of these guys are playing one event, maybe two events in between the last two majors of the year. And it's so much easier to get hot
At a certain time in real off to these in a row, like Xander was trending as the second best player in the world before the PGA championship. He was trending as the second best player in the world before the U S open. He was trending as the second best player in the world before the open championship. The, the events were like eight weeks apart.
right? You know, you'd Russell Henley finished top 10 at the U S open and the open championship with one start in between. Like he was playing great, hanging into the U S open. He played one more time. He's playing great heading into the open championship. He reeled off back to back top tens. Like, is that something that we need to consider going forward? That because these majors are so close together now it's we're it's I
I'm not saying guys are going to win two in the same year very often, but it's a lot more conceivable that a guy can just get hot and peak for multiple at these at the same time. Yeah, I mean, Rory did the same exact thing in 2014, and he won the event the week before. So we've seen it happen before, and I think that definitely is something.
to consider. But Andy, I kind of want to ask you about your relationship with Xander, maybe put you on the chair a little bit, because I know you've had some ups and downs with him. And I vividly remember you bet him at the Zozo and he was gutless. And you're like, I'm just, I'm out on the dude. I don't know. Did, did I hitch my wagon to the wrong horse? And he goes, I dumped him for Rory. You dumped him for Rory.
Like, how are you kind of handling with that? Is it like seeing an ex get a bunch of success after you, you know, leave them? Like, I'm just kind of worried about you a little bit. And I just as a friend, I'm just just looking out for you. Yeah, I thought about the reasons why I wasn't on Xander afterwards.
at both Valhalla and the Open Championship. And like I mentioned, I mean, Xander winning those two tournaments were truly the worst possible outcome for my banking out, both from a betting and DFS standpoint. I'm still going to Veclap it because it's a win for data. Like, I know that I wasn't on Xander either. I
either of these two weeks, you know, obviously he's amazing course vets. Like I just kind of got to a point where I like these other guys a little bit better. I mean, it's just kind of a camp bet them all situation. And Xander was starting to consistently live in the sub 20 to one territory. And I just kind of got to a point where, uh,
I kind of wanted, and I've been betting can't lay more recently at majors because can't lay is like a 40 to 50 to one golfer now at majors. And I think I kind of just needed something like that to happen to Xander for him to get back into the twenties for me to be like, okay, I'm, I'm back in on this guy's in major. And, you know, it never happened and it's never going to happen.
Yeah, because I genuinely think, and I'm sure Kyle can say the thing, I've never bet Xander a lot. I've bet Xander three or four times in majors at 25 to one. That is a very common bet that a lot of people have made over the past two and three years. And-
It was just, I think, very hard for a lot of people to make that leap to betting him at 12 to 14 to 1. What was he at Valhalla? He was like 12, 13. He was super short at Valhalla, where I just think with the way the course was and how many good golfers were there, it just didn't seem like something you would want to do, especially after what he did up to that. So shout out our friend Matt Gannon for being on both his wins. But I think it is very funny and ironic how...
how often people bet him in the twenties at majors and he wins both of them at like 12, 13 to one. Any, any closing thoughts on Xander Kyle? I want to share like one,
quick little Xander story before we move on to, uh, Vic laps and apologies, but any other closing thoughts on, on Xander Kyle? I've got one more, one more thing to say Xander. And I, I apologize for the inadvertent shot. That's going to be taken at your other, your other boy Rory here, but, and this is a shout out to one of our friends as well, who, uh, actually did this interview. Um, but Xander after the players, he could have pulled
Pulled a Rory McIlroy, and he could have walked away from the players and not taken an interview. And he took that on the chin. And, you know...
I don't even know if I should say this, but he, I think you said you talked to his caddy and his, I have a, I have a story to share there too. So I'll just, I'll leave, I'll say the one part of it that I know that you said he texted you, you know, we're going to get them back at the masters. And I almost scoffed at that. Like I almost laughed like, yeah, like, or it's just going to be classic Xander. And you know, he didn't get it back at the masters, but he most certainly got it back. So,
So just kind of a shout out to him, you know, taking it on the chin after choking away the players could have easily not taken that interview could have easily been a dick in, you know, an interview like that, but totally just kind of took it on the chin and had a massive year after the fact. So I just thought that that was kind of worth tipping the cap to. Yeah. The final piece that I would say about Xander is,
all these guys have shot tracker accounts and I'm just giving this short little story and anecdote to illustrate like how good and genuine of a guy that Xander is. And, you know, like if,
if you're not a Xander guy, that's kind of a you problem. In my opinion, you don't have to think that he's the most compelling interview. You can hate the fact that he's friends with Cantlay. You can, you know, not like watching him play golf. It may be boring to you. You know, he's not super animated on the golf course, but I understand all those arguments, but you know, so Xander has this a shot tracker account as many of the
great players and not so great players for what it's worth on Twitter. No, only great players have shot trackers. Right, right. Shout out Ricky Legion or whatever. There's way worse than Ricky out there. But point being, Xander's gotten pretty close with his shot tracker account. Maybe I know that's easier for a guy like Xander to do than maybe somebody like Spieth or
I don't know, Rory that has a ton of fans. I don't imagine that Xander has a ton of super fans out there outside of like our friend Nagels and the shot and powers and powers. And, you know, Xander, uh,
Paid for an all expenses trip for this 15 year old kid from Oregon to fly out to Scotland and walk inside the ropes with him at the fucking open championship. Like I'm watching golf channel on Sunday. I'm watching the wrap up and Cal this fucking,
you know, 15 year old kid from Oregon that I've gotten to know a little bit. Cause I, you know, I played golf with him and his dad in Oregon and, you know, I've met him at Riviera and Torrey Pines, you know, and this kid is fricking decked out in all Deschente gear. Like the kids in all black Deschente gear, which is like $400 polos from Japan. And,
And the guy's walking on the green, touching the fucking Claret jug. This 15 year old kid from Oregon that started a Twitter account because he likes Xander Shoffley. And I've gotten to know the kid a little bit and, you know, played golf with him. And, you know, you know, he started the account during COVID and like tracking. This has given him a lot of joy in life, right? As is following and tracking Xander Shoffley. And,
I'm sure a bunch of kids and fans reach out to their favorite players all the time, and I'm not sure how many of them get responses, let alone a fucking all-expensive paid trip to the Open and getting to touch the Claret Jug on the 18th hole. So the point is with Xander is...
There's a lot of good there. There, there, there really is. And I don't know Xander personally. I do. I do know the caddy and I know his team a little bit and he is salt of the earth by anybody that you want to talk to. And that's another underrated piece with Austin too. I don't think this gets talked about a lot. Like we spend so much time either talking about how much Harry sucks or how Ted Scott rules, but,
Austin, Austin Zander is a top three caddy player relationship on the PGA tour. And I cannot tell you how hard Austin works in his preparation. I cannot tell you how much of a guiding light and a force he is. I mean, it is synonymous with Ted Zander.
and Scotty, like how much Austin means to Xander. And I hope Austin starts to get as due as like being considered one of the best caddies in the game. But that's kind of the final story that I wanted to share about Xander. I thought that was, I don't know how many PGA tour players, players would do that, but I thought that was pretty cool.
Yeah, no, I agree. And I think, you know, Xander is becoming more likable and like he's going on PMT and he does a funny interview and like he's doing all this stuff. And I think more and more people are kind of liking him. And I honestly do think his being best friends with Cantley doesn't necessarily help him. But I mean, the paid Ryder Cup stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is fair. But
But yeah, no, happy for Xander. He still owes me 3K from the players, but true no beef situation. And we're moving on. It's all good. Okay. So the next thing that I want to do is kind of a little bit that we have has become a bit of a joke in our group chat. And that's Vic laps and apologies. Right. And I think the Vic lap bit is.
has been expanded on by the fact that Twitter has just become a cesspool of vic laps on the most absurd possible things. Like long gone are the days where you're vic lapping. If you win an outright, we're now at the stage where,
of Vic lapping. If you have a guy within six heading into Friday, we're Vic lapping, you know, four weeks in a row where I've had a guy tee off after 2 PM on a Saturday, we're Vic lapping tweets that we made four years ago that like Xander wasn't bad. So this is kind of a bit
Like, I just want people to know that these VicLaps that we are about to do, like, we know they aren't necessarily all that impressive whatsoever. But one of our favorite bits has to been VicLapping things that...
aren't that sweet or like haven't actually made us that money. And then of course the apology side as well, not enough accountability on the golf Twitter streets. Like just back in my day, there was a lot more accountability, a lot more accountability. Like people give, like,
Horrendous takes like laughably bad takes like, and, and just no, not even acknowledging just moving on upwards and onwards. So what we are each can do is we're each going to go around and give two quick Vick laps and an apology. Um, so we'll go around the horn. We'll do Vick lap, Vick lap, Vick lap, apology, apology, apology, Vick lap, Vick lap, Vick lap. So I'll start with you first, Kyle.
Give me one Vick lap from the open championship. Could be literally anything. Okay. I think this one's going to be hard to beat, but, um, I am going to Vick lap, um, my shitty outright card.
Uh, because the most, most of the guys that I bet on the shitty outright card caught the bad wave. Not your fault. Throw it out. So you can basically say that like the process was there this week, but.
I think like guys like Ludwig who really got the bad end of the stick in terms of, you know, when they went out, like if you throw him on the other side of the wave, like I wait. Who knows? I mean, it's a truly who knows situation. And we've heard a lot of that this morning. Like, oh, my guys got caught on the wrong side of the weather. Draw. It's just a wash.
Yeah. So I think like I was like pretty disappointed with my card like this week. But then I like after I was doing some like, you know, you always just kind of like look at your card if you have a bad week, like what can I do better? And then I realized all my guys went off in the bad wave. So I can't do anything better. I actually did as good as I could. And and I just had a shit week because all my guys caught the bad wave. So that's Vic Lab number one.
Uh, Brian, you're, uh, you're Vic lap. Number one. That's a good one. I don't necessarily have anything to Vic lap from the open. Like I just didn't have a good week. I will, you know, just quickly that clap hit the last two open winners. Like no big deal. I won't legit Vic lap. Nick done winning the Cuda did not track all week. Turn it on, on 15. He made an Eagle. He won. So I, I will Vic lap hitting a winner at the Cuda. Uh,
So yeah, that's my quick Vick lap. That's a pretty good one. I mean, you are maybe the hottest man in the golf betting streets right now. You've hit how many first-round leaders? Yeah, we've hit some outrights, hit some first-round leader hits. Yeah, I'm just humble. It's whatever. It's no big deal. It's truly NBD, but we're still focused on the task at hand and hitting a winner at the 3M Open. I'm going to Vick lap.
Scotty over Rory. Now, I just want to say that...
There was a lot of nobody believes in us energy around Scotty this week. Like I think it was 4% in draft Kings. Everybody's counting the guy out. Like I, I don't even think, I don't even think he had a shot. He ballooned, you know, he's ballooning in the betting markets. Nobody was picking the guy to win. And I just want to say on the Rory piece too, he was everybody's pack, you know, higher owned. Everyone wanted him. Everybody was willing this thing to Rory.
He was far higher owned than Scotty on DraftKings. And the point that I wanted to make is, you know, I've been the biggest Rory fan that you'll ever meet, right? I have hammered Rory in DFS recently.
for like pretty much the last five years at majors. And from a DFS perspective, that's worked out really well for me. Rory has a 50% top 10 rate in majors. Like he is just a top 10 machine in these majors. And this week I said to myself, after breaking down the golf course and
You know what? The pendulum has swung far too far on Scotty Scheffler. Why is everybody who canceled him in to win the U.S. Open now hopping off just because he burned him at the Open Championship?
at the U S open. And everybody is talking about how it's always darkest before. I hope people understand I'm being hyperbolic. They were separated. And what does Scott do? He went out and won the open champion. Yeah. They're separated by like 4% in, in, in drafting. So I'm being hyperbolic.
But the point is, I will Vic lap 10 times out of 10, hopping off Rory at the perfect time and hopping right back on Scotty Sheffler. And I want to say, I'm not going to name names.
There was a shocking amount of people that did the opposite. Like there were a lot of Scheffler Dick riders that were just lapping this guy up all season that saw what happened at the U S open and finally decided to themselves like, nah, like the guy's not that good anymore. We're going to go back to Rory. And I broke down this golf course till I'm blue in the face. My second thick lap will be getting the golf course. Right.
There's no universe where this was a better golf course for Rory McIlroy than Scotty Scheffler. And yeah, Scotty Scheffler didn't win. The right play was Xander at the top, but he sure as hell gave me a really damn good sweat and he kicked Rory's ass like I expected him to this week. So that is Vic lap number one. Kyle, I feel like you have something to say on that too.
No, no, no. That was good. I'm actually just excited for my next two. I think I've got this segment down real well. But yours was great too. Yours was great. I think that's funny. We always joke about...
Like when we, when we say something like, you know, Hey guys, like I have something crazy to say. And then, you know, like, I think Scotty can win this tournament and you were in a vacuum and a vacuum. Scotty could play well. Andy, Andy saying this, this Andy, like even during the week in our group chat was like, guys, like pretty hot take. Like, I think it's Scotty over Rory this week. Like, I think it's, I think it's Scotty over Rory. And, and, and no, I think, I think you were, you were right though. I think the,
I think everybody for, for some reason, and this is a shout out to Brian, I guess he could Vic lap, let Vic lap this a little bit as well, but yeah,
And Brian and Andy said this before, too. But but that is, you know, when Rory gets too much hype at majors, I don't think he can win one. I think if he's going to win one again, I'm like in the Kirshner camp of thought, which is it's going to be one where he doesn't really have a tie to. He kind of comes in a little under the radar like that's going to be like like when he wins another major. So I just I think I think that was a good one.
You want to hit us with your apology from the Open Championship? Yes, I think you'll think this is funny. You might have to apologize as well, but I apologize for breaking my own rule in DFS of playing Justin Rose at majors no matter what. And not playing him this week.
And yeah, I didn't play him this week. And I didn't play him- But everyone knows you play him at the majors. Yeah. The majors. But we were, we kind of, like, I wrote him off a little bit this year. I think Andy did as well, too, because we're both Rose guys. We are. We are.
First two majors, he looked terrible. He played... He did not... Well, first Masters... I mean, he was terrible at the Masters and great at Valhalla. Yes, Valhalla he was really good at, but I didn't... I just wasn't on him. I normally play him in DFS at majors. I didn't... And it was the Open. He was super cheap. He had a top 10 in one of his last two major starts, but no other big finishes this year. Really, no other big finishes if you look at his...
his form. And I actually think he, you could argue he, and it's not that crazy to say since he finished second, but he was the guy I thought was the second most likely to win the tournament on like going into Sunday. Like he-
He really elevated his game this week. He looked like kind of the old Rose, hit the ball incredibly well, made a lot of big putts, was toying with the crowd a lot. So I apologize, Justin, for not playing you in 2024. 43 years old, Justin Rose, runner-up at the Open Championship. One major guy. Just simple as that. Just one major guy, unfortunately. Brian, what's your apology?
Yeah, I would like to apologize to the great state of Scotland. You know, a lot of things happened on Twitter this week. Again, everyone who follows me on Twitter... Scotland's also a country, like...
What? You said the great state of Scotland. No, I didn't. I said the great people. Whatever. Whatever. Regardless. I know it's a country. I mean, it's just England's little brother, but it's fine. No, look, everyone knows I tweet a lot on Twitter. Some go viral, like some don't. It's no big deal. For whatever reason, I just made an astute observation that the weather in Scotland in July could be 60 degrees, cold,
cold and rainy. And that never happens where I live. That doesn't happen the majority of places in the world. So I'm like, why the hell would anyone live in Scotland? Like,
There's bad food, bad people, like overall just like a bad vibe in Scotland. And I just get absolutely eviscerated on Twitter. I can't even go into my notifications or anything because every time I open it up, I have like 30 new ones. And then there were subsequent tweets on top of it and all of those went viral. And then this Scottish national guy made the most –
common joke that Europeans make like, oh, well, at least I don't get shot up in skulls. It's literally the most unoriginal comment to make. He didn't even say anything clever and it got like five mil views. So
I'm back in on Scotland. I have Scottish women tweeting at me at the bar. Like it's a beautiful day in Scotland. So I, I'm down to go to Scotland. I heard they have some good golf. I heard they have some nature shit. Um,
I'm willing to come together for the people of Scotland if they are. But overall, yeah, there are reasons to live in Scotland. And I also will point out half the Scottish people are like, yeah, I ask myself that every fucking day. The weather here is absolutely terrible. Like it's shit. So, you know, I want to apologize to the great country of Scotland. And I'm hoping that we could come together soon and maybe work together.
I don't know how I'm going to be able to top that one, but I want to apologize for...
Louis who stays in. And I was thinking, I was thinking about, I was thinking about apologizing for Fleetwood because both are worthy of an apology, but I actually, my reasoning for Fleetwood, I would stand behind far more than my reasoning for Louis this week. Listen, at the end of the day, I dove pretty deep into web statistically this year. And that has been a net positive for me at majors, right? Like I,
Taking the time to look at live data, you know, greens and regulation percentage. Butts for greens and regulation at LaGrange golf club that has helped me at the majors for the most part. Shout out DMB shout out 7% ROM this week. But the, but, but listen, Louis, who says him was the worst draft Kings play on the slate. Okay. And I have made a career and a living off of,
Shitting on plays like an 11% Louis is days. And I mean, I, and, and I had the opportunity to get off of him on the Wednesday night premium show when Kobe and Kyle both laughed in my face about this.
And I just hand up it. I just, I got body snatch. It's not, it's not me. You guys know, that's not who I am. I don't play seven K chalk. You don't play seven K chalk at majors. You just, you don't fricking do it. He was the worst draft Kings play on the slate. Maybe Sahab, but Lou, you say isn't at 11% was the worst draft Kings play on the slate.
Andy, that's very big of you. I'm proud of you for admitting that. I mean, who hasn't gotten too deep into Liv's stats at one time this year? Who hasn't gotten caught up in the... I mean, what is Louis in the points standings for Liv this year? Like fourth or fifth?
I mean, that's some impressive shit. So I think Louie should apologize for not playing better, actually, just because of how well he's been playing on live. And I'm really shocked that it didn't translate to the majors. Yeah. I don't know how that would happen. Yeah. Listen, great open player. He was doing some provocative. He was doing some provocative things on the web tour. I think it was more of like my general ethos and philosophy is, you
I mean, and chalk got absolutely murdered this week, which was one of the reasons I had that. Yeah. Well, I'll always reclap that I had at a phenomenal, it doesn't matter what you did. Like you'll just vic lap. Yeah. If the chalk doesn't play well, um, I'm going to vic lap that. Um, and you know, I had a, I had an excellent draft Kings week as well. And in part because fish play like Louie who stays in miss the cut and, um,
As our guy Sleepy Joe would say, I was the sucker. You're the sucker. I was a sucker on Louis that week. So Kyle's dying over there with the first Sleepy Joe reference. Okay. Final winner for you, Mr. Hewitt.
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A, saying Bryson was going to have a big major season. Yeah. Because he did. Me too. Wrote a whole article on that. We can all take a little piece of that one, boys. That's why we're all here. That's for all of us. But the two-parter, he was a big investment in my underdog stuff. He paid dividends. But then the second part of this Vic lap is...
I want to Vic lap that. I said he could play well at the open, but he, but he didn't because I, I didn't say like he was guaranteed to, to like success. I said, play well. I didn't. There is a path. We said that on the Wednesday show. Remember we were like, yeah, we're not playing Bryson, but we could see him playing well. Yeah.
Exactly. So I want to Vic lap that because he didn't play well, but I saw a road to him potentially playing well. So I had it covered from both ends, which I, which I always like to do, but now the real, the real Vic lap is, is, is Bryson. I think for, for all of us, you know, we can all take a piece of that, but we were all very high on him. I think it's funny. You know, we have the, we have the group chat. We're always, we're always talking in it. I think
after Oak Hill last year, we, we all were like, yeah, the next year, like he looks the lean down look was, was very big for him. Um,
He, I think, gained back a lot of fans. He was kind of like the hottest guy in the world, the golf world in terms. He's doing a fucking break 50 with the president, past president of the United States. Like, I don't, have we talked about the fact that Donald Trump is going to be playing golf on YouTube with Bryson? I mean, that's the sickest thing I've ever heard in my whole life. I cannot wait for tomorrow night to watch that video. Like, I don't think you can make better.
better content. I think that's a bigger dub than his U S open. I was going to, yeah, I was going to get to that in winners and losers. Kyle, are we watching Bryce and Trump or presumed innocent season finale first? Oh my God. That's potentially the greatest night of content. Like stay up late. No, we have TIB as an appetizer. I'm not doing this week. I've talked enough. Ah,
All right. All right. But one, I will say the one last thing about Bryson and I'd love to hear your guys nominees, but he my shot of the year at the majors. You probably think I would say the bunker shot that won him that won him the US Open, which I think you argue, which you could argue, obviously, was was was the shot of the year.
When he lost the PGA Championship, the 17th hole, he hit one into the trees. It bounced back out. He was like 230 yards back. He hit a nuclear eight iron. I know. From 225 yards to like three feet. He was screaming at the ball in the air. And that was, to me, my favorite shot of the year, even though it actually didn't end up winning him the major. But you predicted that would happen, and thus you're vicking it.
Yes. Well, I said he was going to play well and he finished second there. And I bet him that week. And you bet him at the US Open. And I bet him at the US Open. And I bet him at 46 to 1 at the US Open. So you got CLV. So even if the bat didn't hit, you would have been able to Vick lap because you also got CLV. Correct. Yeah. Correct.
Um, okay. Brian, final Vic lap. I, um, I'll Vic lap. Can Scotty not win a non-slap? It's a good one. It's a good one. Scotty win an event. He hasn't played before. Can Scotty went on non-perfect American greens? Um,
Is Scottie just a guy? Will he ever win another major? That's not the Masters. These are all questions that are percolating, and I put them into the ether. But I also will vic-lap him being good, because in the summer of 2021, I said he's a really good player and he could win majors, and he did. So
I could go both ways with Scotty, but for right now, I will, um, I will Vic lap Scotty, not winning an event. He hasn't played before. Yeah. You've been big on this. Like you've asked this question that a lot of people went past May. He did. And you know, we're, we're, we're happy to admit I was wrong. That's Scotty Sheffield. Wouldn't go his whole career without winning past May, but I'm just saying like, yeah, I've got some questions to be answered. I've got another good question. Kenny went across the pond. Hmm.
People are asking. Jury's still out. And that's our job. I commend you for asking those questions. Very big of you, BK. My final Vic lap, gosh, there's so many contenders for this. Russell Henley 171 didn't cash, but I basically cashed that check. His odds went down. Yeah, that was a phenomenal bet. He had a 10% win probability midway through the back nine on Sunday. I should collect...
I expect to collect on that bet because he had a 10% probability on Sunday at 171. But no, the thing I'm going to vickle out, this is a more serious note. Not really, but like...
I nailed trune guys. This golf course had the highest miss the, the, the data came out today from data golf. They just released the, the polling. No, they just, they just released a ball. Like lack is 10 points ahead in Michigan based on his real true intakes. No, listen, data golf released its course stats page. Uh,
This golf course featured the highest Miss Fairway penalty on tour. This was a pure accuracy test. And, you know, the easiest aspect of prune by far was putting accuracy was heavily accentuated over distance. Short game was accentuated above average. There wasn't a lot of middle irons. It was a ton of approaches from 200 yards plus. These were all things I was freaking yelping.
yelling about heading into the week for the going around the streets of New York city and telling people I was on the street. This is what you need to focus on. I was, I was walking down 81st and Columbus saying to every random stranger I met on the street, it's,
accuracy over distance and what do you know boys four of the top five guys ranked top eight and driving accuracy none of them ranked inside the top 45 in distance xander actually took a pretty measured approach off the tee he ranked outside the top 45 in distance but billy horschel
70 second in distance, first in driving accuracy, finished second. Justin Rose, 76 in distance, fourth in driving accuracy on the week. Xander Shoffley, 49th in driving distance, eighth in driving accuracy. Russell Henley, who should have won the golf tournament, 70th in driving accuracy, 70th in driving distance, seventh or fourth in driving accuracy of the top 20 players on the leaderboard. Only three players, Tristan Lawrence, John Rahm, and Benny Ahn ranked
higher in distance than they did in accuracy. 85% of the top 20 drove the ball really damn straight. So I said many times in the preview pods, this is a pure accuracy test. This is going to be the highest miss fairway penalty on tour. And that is literally exactly what happened. I know that's my job.
to get the breakdown right. And that is what I'm supposed to do. That's the foundation of my entire career. But it's not always easy to get perfect when you've never seen the course in person and you don't have a lot of data on it. So I'm going to pat myself on. No, congrats, Andy. We're all really proud of you. Yeah, yeah, no problem. No problem. No problem. Okay. So the next...
The next thing that we're going to do it and, you know, I don't know how much three because we won't go much longer, a little bit longer than an hour, probably, if that's OK. Are you guys OK to go a little longer than an hour? Yeah, I'm OK. OK, so we'll do some winners and losers of major season. And I think that we can have some overlap here, I would imagine. But these are now big picture, major winners and losers. So start us off with one of your winners of major season, Kyle.
Ooh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take like a more contrarian route since I'm on, since I'm on inside golf and Andrew, Andy lacks a contrarian minded person. So I'm going to, I'm going to take that stance. And you say Russell Henley, I swear to fucking go. My first winner for major season and just this season in general is Billy Horschel. Uh,
He was, you know, he shot 84. I, we were talking about this a little bit on, at, at dinner on, on Friday. I, I, I think I said it would have been, it'd be a great story if, if he won. I didn't, I didn't think he was going to win. I didn't even think he was going to hang around. So, um,
But he completely lost his game last year. He got 84 on Sunday at Memorial, a tournament he, I believe, has won before. Yeah, as a defending champ. Yeah, I said he could play well that week. I remember it, actually. Yeah, yeah. Same. I think I thought he could play well, too. Well, past champ, obviously. He was a good course fit. But I just think that he, on top of the fact that he
came back from, again, openly saying that he lost his game shooting 84 at, at, as, as defending champion Memorial, you know, totally breaking down in that, in that interview kind of finds his way back, you know, to, to play,
Playing a lot of these not big events, playing a lot of these. One Corrales Punta Cana. One Corrales Punta Cana gets into the gets. I don't think he was in the field for all of the majors this year. So I think that went actually got him into the field at some of these at some of these majors. So he gets into the majors and he finishes top 10 at the PGA Championship, which I think eighth was his best championship.
or his second best finish at a major ever. He's never been a guy that has big finishes at majors and then, you know, goes up and backs it up with a second place at the Open Championship. And, you know, a lot of times I think you like –
you get a guy in the mix like, like Billy Horschel and you think like, Oh, this guy, you know, is going to choke or he's, he's not going to win. I don't think Billy choked. I think he played an incredible Sunday. I think he played an incredible tournament. I think Xander went out and beat him. So just wanted to tip, tip the cap to, uh, to Billy Ho who, uh, you know, I, I'm, I'm, I'm a fan of, so. Yeah. Uh, clapping back on, uh, at Twitter to hashtag, like literally the worst account on, on Twitter. He's definitely listening. Yeah.
I would be shocked. Like, I don't think that he is. He also had one of the most epic ratios of all time. He had like eight likes to 150 likes that I've ever seen. So shout out, Billy. You're a winner, Brian. Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously Xander's, you know, the winner, but I mean, it's got to be Bryson. Yeah. To be as relevant as he was in the first three. He was early on Trump. Yeah, I mean, yeah.
I mean, just unbelievable season from Bryson. First round leader at the Masters, like relevant up until like Sunday on the back nine, provided a lot of entertainment that week, goes out to Valhalla, perfect course fit, kind of starts out slow, hoops one for Eagle on three. And that was just absolute electric factory throughout that really should have won, uh,
He was trying to hit it off the tree. I don't want to hear anything about that. Xander gained too much putting. So regardless, should have won Valhalla. And then to win the U.S. Open, coming in, playing the way he was and having all that pressure on him and maybe not going to a quote-unquote perfect course fit and to really cement himself as a two-major guy, I just thought that was unbelievable. Throw out the Open, it doesn't matter. Not going to be a great fit for him.
But yeah, I think, you know, obviously Xander won too. You know, he's obviously the biggest major, but Bryson for what he did in the majors this year was fricking awesome. Quickly, does Bryson win another major? Is he a two major guy? Does he get to four? Does he get one more? What's your major outlook for Bryson?
A hundred percent at least gets one more. I don't know if I'm willing to, I think three and a half is a good over under, and I'm kind of in between three and four. I'm, I'm, I'm sure that he gets to three. Don't know about four Kyle. Yeah.
Yeah, I could see one more. I think an interesting spot for him, not that this is the best course fit, but he's not great at the Opens, but St. Andrews, his best finish, that place is like a playground to him. So I'm actually excited. I'm interested to see when he goes back there how he performs. But Andy, weren't you saying he's like a perfect course fit next year at the US Open? He's going to be a perfect course fit every year, though.
Yeah, I think you were you were saying even a better course fit than he was was that we didn't even. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. No, I think I think Oakmont is one of the better open venues for him. That's Oakmont's like similar to Wingfoot in a lot of ways, particularly the slope of the green just off the course, because this is going to be one of my winners to Brian.
He's like one of the biggest, he's like one of the more successful influencers, like just doing it from an athlete side. Like I said, this on the Kyle Porter pot I did. He's like one of the most important Snapchat creators. Like he's speaking at the Snapchat. It's not Karina Kampf. Well, he's up there. Um, I, I don't know if he has the reach that she does. I'm looking at all those stories.
She's getting all my clicks. Yeah. To certain demographics. I don't know. Actually, I'm sure there is some overlap. I would assume. I would assume so. I'm sure they're swimming in the same pool. But yeah, point being, I think that I talk, I'm not going to belabor this because I talked about it a bunch on the Porter pod, but I think that this was, you know, really the only guy that we've seen with live is,
Not just make the most of it, but like really be enabled to reach his maximum potential on and off the course. Like he's the only guy that took the money and like reinvested the money back in golf and back in himself and back in him being the best possible version of himself, you know, as a golfer and what he's doing for the game. My winner is what golf can be slash golf course architecture. I'm going to Vic lap.
liking golf. Now, the point that I'm making is I think what we watched, particularly at Troon and to a certain extent at Pinehurst with like how cool that golf course was around the greens and how much, uh,
The big similarity between Troon and Pinehurst is that both of those golf courses did not feature super narrow fairways, and they did not feature super thick rough, and they did not feature any water hazards. And they were the two toughest tournaments of the entire year. And they were also the two best watches of the entire year. And I think a lot of people realized watching that Saturday at Troon, which to me was like
the best golf viewing day of the year or up there watching guys hitting, you know, drivers into par threes, which are never going to see. That's it. That's my second winner. We'll get to roll back. But yeah, the point is, is I think a lot of people got to watch on full display, uh,
like what golf can be at the professional level when we go to awesome, awesome venues. And when we get firm and fast conditions and when we get perfect weather and, and one of my losers juxtaposes that pretty strongly as well about the places that we can't go anymore. But one of my big winners was, um,
People getting to watch what golf can be at Royal Troon and Pinehurst if we go to these awesome venues. Kyle, kick us off with The Loser.
Loser. Okay. My first loser. I didn't take an obvious winner. I'm going to take an obvious loser. Hovland to me. Yeah. Big time loser. This season, this year at the majors specifically, I think everybody was running to...
Ben Hovland at, you know, all these majors this year after he, he had, he had, you know, a great FedEx cup playoff. And, and,
You know, he for whatever reason decides to break up with a swing coach, which I think was just so stupid. Like you're literally playing the best golf of your life and and you break you break up with this guy who has kind of helped you get there specifically in the around the green department is where I know that this guy was helping him make strides. So that just made no sense to me. And he immediately loses his game after he does that.
Um, and, and he really hasn't found it since other than one week at the PGA championship where he finished third, the reason he's still losing to me, even with that third miscut, miscut, miscut in the other three major year. So doesn't even make the cut at the other three. So to me, a guy, I think that people were saying could be the second best golfer in the world at the beginning of the year, uh, or end of last year.
to have kind of that showing in the majors was, was, was pretty pathetic. Terrible, terrible major season for offline, Brian. I'll go Joaquin Neiman. Yeah. Got less, got less. He cost me so much money to the live guys. You know, I like you guys, but I think,
I don't know if people forget this, but after he won live Oman or whatever the fuck in Saudi Arabia or whatever, there were literally people saying that he is a top five golfer in the world and that he should be in every single major. And he should start with a five stroke advantage at every single major because he's just so good at golf. And then he wins at,
He wins his first event at LiveCobe. And the first thing he says is like, oh, but I'm not in the majors. But I'm this top 10 player in the world. I need to be in the majors. Puts up an absolute stinker of a year in the majors, reflective of his past major championship career. T22 at the Masters, which is basically like a T40. T39 at the PGA was lost. T58 at the Open Championship.
I think it's one thing for all these people to say it was a top five player in the world, which they were. I have the receipts. I'll be retweeting them later. But then to make a big deal about it and make yourself look good by saying that these people aren't inviting you, even though they were, and not trying to qualify for the US Open. Maybe you did. I don't know. Don't fact check me on that. But yeah, I'll go Neiman, even though I didn't play the US Open as a loser for this major.
Yeah. And I'm totally unbiased on Liv. I genuinely am. Like, I like Liv. It's just like... We know. Yeah. No, he cost me a ton of money this weekend, and I should have been learning my lesson. But his girth stats. Yeah. His fucking girth stats. I mean, he would have won if he didn't have two quintuples, right? Yeah. I think that math works, right? He did that. Yeah. So...
I'll keep it brief. It's what a tremendously disappointing season for Brooks Koepka. I mean, I think there are a couple, there are very few active players right now that every single time that they tee it up at a major, they're playing for history. And for Brooks, who every single time he tees it up at a major has the opportunity to, you know, cement himself as one of the 15 best golfers of all time to just
totally give up a season where he wasn't even competitive. Really? I mean, he didn't really contend at any of these majors. I think his best nine of pine. Yeah, sure. Was it, that was a T20. We had him in one and done. We can Vick lap him. Um, didn't get the good side of the weather drop by nurse. Uh,
but, uh, just, uh, just a wildly disappointing year for a guy that's about to enter, uh, you know, the second part of his thirties. You, you can't be given up these years. You got to put yourself in the mix once or twice. People are asking if Brooks Kaepernick has gone woke. I mean, people are asking the question. I also, I'm not even joking. Having a kid fucks you up. I,
don't care what anyone says that's why I don't have kids currently I don't want it to affect why I don't speak to women like genuinely like there is something there with having kids and just being shit at golf for a little bit right wrong right you could yeah you could say that you could say similar points but
Right. He is second in what points? Rob, JT, Spieth. Yeah. They all, the careers took a downturn when they had a, when they, Scotty hasn't won. Scotty hasn't won a major. He hasn't won a major yet. Yeah. So, okay. Give us a, give us one more winner, Kyle.
Can be quick. Can be quick. Yeah. All right. I'll take like an odd stance because this guy's my boy and it'll make, it'll crack you guys up. Dean, Dean B. Yeah. Legend. Best part. Dean B qualified, had to qualify for, for two of the three majors this year. The two that he qualified for the PGA, uh,
and the open or no, actually he qualified for the U S open. He didn't have to qualify for the other one, but he finished 12th and 19th. He's one of the guys who actually on live had a big season and then carried it over a little bit in the starts he got on, on the PGA tour. It total kind of opposite of, of Neiman in terms of Neiman stats. If you looked at live, you'd think this guy was the greatest fucking golfer on the planet. And then, you know, he comes over to, uh,
to, to play in the majors and, and, and doesn't kind of play well. So that's just like a kind of funny, but good one, I guess. Yeah. Brian winner. I'll go quick. Jay Rose qualifying for the open and finishing T2 and getting into all the majors next year. Like that's some serious stuff. I know Kyle touched on them earlier, so I won't do a huge thing there, but yeah, I'll, uh, I'll definitely go. Jay Rose there. Is he going to Beth page? Yeah.
No, no chance. He should not be on the team. I think he's perfect captain. And then I think he could be captain and, um, and add a whatever in Ireland and, and four years, three years. I don't think no chance yet. Yeah. I wouldn't say no chance. I mean, he's been objectively terrible at golf this year. Yeah. But this is a majors with a runner up at the open. Like, I mean, that's yeah. Yeah. If the Ryder cup was this year, maybe, but I would say there's a, not there's a 0% chance. He's on the team at Beth page.
I'm not at zero, but we can let it get that another time. My final winner is rollback. Listen, I think these majors showed what golf could be with a rolled back ball. I actually think with a rolled back golf ball, there are a few major championship venues where
Everything gets better with rollback, right? But there are a couple that get so much... St. Andrews gets so much better with a rollback golf ball. Pebble Beach gets way more interesting with a rollback golf ball. Marion gets way better with a rollback golf ball. But I actually think that
It was actually what happened at Valhalla was what we needed. That showed us that if you do not have, and that had to happen, right? I still think it was maybe a PGA event.
plant to like plant Valhalla to get people to come around on rollback. But if you do not have wind or firmness, then so many of these, these United States PGA tour courses, and, you know, even golf courses that were previously suitable to host major championships, uh,
They're just not able to test players in the way that major championships are supposed to test players. And, you know, I think Valhalla helped a lot of people realize, hey, like, we've got to do something or we're going to be trending in the direction of way more major championships that more closely resemble Valhalla than Pinehurst or Troom.
because it's not sustainable to be able to rely on perfect weather. And I think the juxtaposition between what it looks like if you get perfect weather and what happens when you don't, I think a lot of people came around to that this year. A lot of
Just like conversations with, you know, guys like Feinberg and powers who I would not call, you know, like golf course architecture junkies. No, I'm it's, it's a pro like them being like, yo, roll it back.
Wait, so Andy, can I ask you, with the Candidis on Saturday at Troon, let's say with a rollback ball, do they play from the same yardage? Because I literally don't think you could play Saturday at Troon with a rollback ball.
It's so, these guys are so fricking soft, man. Like the scoring average. What do you mean they were hitting drivers at the par threes? Good. Have you ever played the 13th hole like Placid? Like these guys played these golf courses with wooden clubs back in the day. Come on. Yeah. But you got to, you got to move the tees up with a rollback ball.
at, at true. Right. But that's part of the whole argument, right? I mean, yeah, maybe if you, maybe if you get crazy weather again, then you move it up. But the point is, is you're not going to be able to rely on crazy weather and you got 10 out of 10 optimal weather at true. And that was the first major champion. That was the second major championship that we've seen in the last decade. That was one at single digits under par and look at all of the things that had to happen.
For that to go through. Right. And I think the fucking wave split. Right. And that was the point is that I think a lot of people that I've talked to, you know, I don't know if my Twitter timeline is now just curated, curated better, but it feels like a lot of people that were aggressively anti rollback at the pro level.
have just gotten a lot more quiet because they're tired of getting dusted in that argument. And I think, or many of them started to come around. I've spoken to many people who have come around. Many, many people are talking to me about rollbacks. Many people are talking about the rollbacks. I've gotten so many rollback DMs. I've gotten so many people walk up to me on 81st and Columbus and say, Andy, thank you for your takes on rollback. Thank you for being early on this. The balls just go too far.
I mean, there's not enough left. I see the light. I see the light. I watched Valhalla this year, too, and was disgusted. Thank you. Thank you for being early on rollback. And, you know, I think we needed something as disastrous as Valhalla, which broke every scoring record on a golf course that was still 7,500 yards for more people to come around to the idea that this might not be the worst thing. Yeah, I think that if you dig a little bit, there are some comps to Jan 6 with Valhalla. Yeah.
Like, I just think it was such a catastrophic event. Like, it moved the country forward. Right. Like, it might be like a net good. It almost needed to happen. Yeah. It might be like a net positive. It almost needed to happen for us to be in the position that we're in. Exactly. That will close with... My loser, by the way, is Valhalla. Like, I'll just... We're already on it. So, listen, I think there's some things that get better with time, right? Like, I think that the U.S. Open at LACC
age well, right? Because LACC is so, it's such a wonderful golf course. Um, and such a great gal for one and great guy. Yes. Speaking of Jan six, speaking of Jan six. No, I just, I think that, um,
Valhalla is going to get worse and worse with age. I think watching it up against Pinehurst and Troon, it was disgraceful. It was objectionable. I will say that I'm not totally out on the PGA. Nobody bats a thousand. I think it's very much in play that they planted Valhalla as a means to move the rollback agenda forward. But what a...
deeply, deeply unserious test of major championship golf. What a deeply, deeply non-psychological mental examination. Turn your brain off track man golf. Just juxtapose with what we got to saw at Pinehurst and Troon. So that's my final loser of the year. Kyle, any final losers?
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to take a dig at one guy, but he's not my my loser. And then I'll tell you the loser like Wyndham Clark is my can't my like runner up loser.
I'm going to give him one more year to prove to me he's not... We don't have a Todd Hamilton situation on our hands with him. But on top of that, he also made that remark about... I forget which tournament it was, but he won it. It was the Masters. Yeah, and he was like, I like my chances. These guys only play three rounds, and then he missed the cut at the Masters. So that was pretty bad. But my actual loser, somebody who I don't think...
We put enough heat on, but I'm putting the heat on. And maybe part of the reason he, you know, I'm just going to say his name first, then we'll give the reason, but Jordan speed. Yeah. Jordan speed to me is a, is a loser. This, this, this year for, for the majors and year in general, he's had a terrible year. I think part of that is this risk thing he's got going on. So give him a little bit of the benefit out there, but he just really hasn't had a chance to win a golf tournament. It seems in a long time.
Um, like even been close, uh, and he's got a little, he was close, but yeah. Oh, Kapalua. Yeah. I mean, come on. Is that football season or, uh,
So, I mean, like he's just, he's just kind of been, he's just kind of been, um, you know, not, not really close to, to any, anything that Jordan Spieth, I'm, you know, kind of accustomed to. So, uh, yeah, he's, he's kind of my, my loser. You know, we, we put a lot of pressure on Rory. I've had this conversation with you and I, I think Rory deserves a lot of pressure, but it seems like people just like Gabe have given up on like giving Spieth shit. Yeah. Cause he's not good. Like he's just a guy. Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's my that's my. Yeah, I'm not giving up on Wyndham totally yet in an election year. We still have him for one and we still have him for I mean, Wyndham did shoot like his best round of the year the day that there was an assassination attempt on Trump. And with with with a looming Trump presidency, I'm not ready to close the book on on Wyndham Clark just yet.
Wyndham, probably the biggest loser of Bryson nagging Trump for his YouTube. So he's losing in all ways possible. Brian, who's your final loser? Yeah, it's got to be Rory. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's fair. Like uncompetitive at the Masters, never had a chance at the PGA. I know he finished T12, but he was never relevant in that tournament. I mean, legitimately missed a tap in to lose the US Open and then seems to maybe have just
I'm not going to say gave up on the game, but I feel like something inside of Matt have died at Pinehurst. And obviously he wasn't, you know, no one's expecting him to, I mean, obviously he's a favorite, but it's not like, oh, Roy didn't want to major this year. It's a massive disappointment. Like we've kind of come used to that, but,
But yeah, I'll say he's a big loser for this year. I mean, his PGA Tour play hasn't been exceptional. He's been good, but I'm not really sure that his world rank and strokes gained stuff really correlated to what he did in the majors. And I think it changes his career if he takes a little bit more time on the 16th green at Pine. But yeah, I'll go Rory. Okay, that'll do it, guys. Who's winning the 3M Open? Let's go around the horn.
Oh, if I if I had one pick, if I had you could just give us a card, Kyle, like it's fine. Like I know you give us a card. You can give us the live London. I'll give three. I haven't got my live London card. I haven't I haven't I haven't touched that yet. I need to I need to talk to some people smarter than myself to give me a little kind of a scouting report across the pond. I like Ron.
Yeah, you know, he's pretty good. He could most certainly win, but I just don't like betting. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, take us through a live golf betting strategy. Yeah, I just look at ball striking numbers, and I look at last finish, and I look at GIR, and I make the decision from there. But I'll give three names because I don't want to give the whole card because it's not done yet. Hi, Terry.
Kiriyama, 55. Kiriyama killed the ball T to green last week. He's actually been on a sneaky little ball striking run. Let me see what number is still here because I have odds checker up. He's 55 to 1 still available at FanDuel. That's where I bet him at, 55 to 1. He's a guy that I think can go out and win this tournament. He kind of gives me some Cam Champ vibes a little bit as well, like a guy who just could like spikes on –
random weeks, but Kitty actually has the form whereas Cam Champ does not. Rico Hoey? Yeah.
We're staying on the Rico train. There's something there. There's definitely something there. Now he's actually an incredible driver of the golf ball, which I like on this golf course. And he's not typically a good putter, but he's gained strokes putting his last four starts. So I, uh, with three top tens in his last four starts as well. Um, so I, I like Rico. There's a 70 to one available for him on bet rivers. I bet him at 65. Um,
Uh, and then the last guy I'll give is Gracerman. This guy, Gracerman has been kind of a stripe show lately. He, he, he, he, uh, he qualified for the U S open. He won his qualifier. Uh, it was, it was played in New Jersey, which is where he's from. He's got five straight top 31 since, since he qualified. And other than one start, he's gotten better in every start. I think he gained almost seven strokes off the tee last week. So those are the three guys I like
this week at three. I'll bet him right now. Let's go. I'm in. There's 75 for him on a fan duel. Okay.
Uh, uh, Brian 3m. I really like EVR this week a lot. Um, I think the ball striking has been pretty solid and I think he's someone I trust in the mix. Good long iron player, you know, shitty putter, but these are pretty easy greens to, to, to figure out. I think EVR is your winner. I pounded him this week. I also bet no back. Um, and he gave me a little bit of a sell on him. Andy knows is my winner.
We've, we've DM before, like we're boys, like he's into the bed in public. He'll be hyped up to see himself on some betting cards. I think he, he's a subscriber to golf betting tips. Like he's always trying to, you know, figure out what's, what's going on there. That's it. Those are my two guys that I bet this far. I bet racer men, but yeah, I haven't run my primary models for. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I mean,
Just another Veclap. We are 36th in what, a 5,000 person one and done contest? Yeah. Right there. It's insane. It's literally insane how we aren't winning more money. We have nailed this one and done. I don't know how we possibly could have done better. Because Kyle didn't let us take Yeager. Oh, stop it. We have a top 10 finisher in one and done in like 50%.
of our starts this year. Like it's actually absurd how good we have been at one and done. And I would say this is a, like a real hinge week for us. This is pretty huge. It's the next two. Like once the what's it, what's after 3m.
It's Olympics, Wyndham, playoffs. Oh, wow. Wow. Okay, so there's not going to be one and done for Olympics, right? No, they don't play for money at the Olympics. They play for something called the gold medal. We have a top 10 finisher.
In one and done in 15 out of the 27 events that we've done. You know how hard that is to pick one guy once. Do we have three winners? Is that? Yeah, we have three winners. We have three fucking winners. We have nine top fives and three winners.
15. It was literally Yanks. It was legitimately Yanks at Houston. Yeah, we have 19 out of 27 times we've picked a guy who's finished in the top 25. 15 out of 27 times we've picked a guy who's finished in the top 10. I think no one's like, I don't know who's listening to this podcast right now, but if you need an example of how crazy Andy is, he tracks the...
of finishes for fucking one and done. I cannot tell you a single person in the entire universe that does that. There's no one else. I can tell you that right now. I mean, we should be winning way more money. Anyway, Xalator's miscut at the players. That was our worst pick all year. No, JT. And Xander, we put Xander. Yeah, we used Xander at Pebble. His worst finish of the year, we used Xander. It's fucking bullshit. I think that was Kyle's pick as well.
well no it probably was I mean I basically I basically talked you guys into ROM I'll bit clap that you guys want to play Hatton I begged you guys to play ROM was in my top three though so okay so all right um
I figure we'll save Israel-Palestine solving Ukraine. Immigration. Yeah, we'll save all of that for Kamala's VP, the hillbilly elegy deep dive, the great memoir by J.D. Vance. We'll save all of that for like, but I just want to say too, like,
What we like to joke about, we don't have political takes like these are what we like to make fun of is people that are outspoken on Twitter about their political views and like yell about it. That's all we're making fun of. So I'm sure there's people on many sides that are listening to this. We're all outside of Kyle, who, you know,
Brian is a complete liberal snowflake. Kyle, we're still looking for his alibi on Jan 6th. I'm really the only rational one in the middle here. I know we made a lot of political references. We're joking. Yeah, I think everyone will enjoy it.
It's not an endorsement. Like if you didn't laugh at a political reference tonight, like I would be surprised. Like I think there's a lot of, a lot of chuckles going on. Okay. I hope so. Cause you know, those are the, those are the only waters outside of rollback and lab that can get testy from time to time on the old internet. Yeah. I've seen that happen once or twice. Um, okay. Um, all right, boys, I will, uh, we'll see you guys soon. I'll see you guys in Lake Placid. Yeah. Hope everyone has a good night.
Later. All right. That's it for the podcast. Special thanks to Brian. Special thanks to Kyle. Special thanks to Run Pure Sports. Special thanks to the rabbit hole. And we will be back on this podcast next week doing something fun. We've got a good guest next week. We'll Olympics talk. So good luck with your bets this weekend and we will see you next time. Cheers.
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