A Wild Wyndham & 2024 FedEx St. Jude’s with Rishi Loungani
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One of my favorite guys to talk golf with. I'm in a very active group chat with him talking DFS golf amongst other things. We talk a lot of football as well. Genuinely one of the sharpest people that I know and talk golf with. And we're kind of at the end of the year and I'm kind of just at the point where it's like,

A couple tournaments left in the PGA Tour season. I'm just going to bring on my friends. I'm going to bring on the sharpest people that I talk golf with behind the scenes in my group chats. And maybe, hopefully, I mean, these guys don't really have a ton of interest in golfing.

doing content or having a ton of Twitter followers. But they're the people that I trust when I talk golf behind the curtain about whose opinion I listen to, whose opinion I value, who I break down each slate with.

Again, kind of behind the scenes and behind the curtains. So I hope you enjoy this pod with Rishi. Really, really smart dude. Really sharp DFS player and exciting little slate that we have with the FedEx St. Jude. So without further ado, let's bring on Rishi. All right. My buddy Rishi is here. First time on the podcast. I'm kind of at the point in the PGA Tour season. We've got about two or three weeks left where we're

I'm just having my buddies on at this point to my favorite people that I talk the most golf with on a regular basis. So Rishi is an incredibly sharp DFS player in a very active group chat that I am in breaking down and talking DFS pretty much.

24 seven amongst other things. We've been diving a little bit deep into football season too, but thanks for joining me, man. I have a tremendous amount of respect for your DFS and sports in general knowledge, as you know, and excited for you to join the pod.

Thanks for having me on, buddy. This is going to be fun. It's an exciting time of year. Golf, like you said, we're starting into the football season. Fall's coming here in South Florida. We're excited for the summer to end. So looking forward to it.

So I guess we'll put a bow on the wind. Any closing thoughts from what you saw at Sedgefield reactions to, I mean, I, we can do some of the Couture stuff if you want. I feel like I'm kind of exasperated talking about that any more than I already have, but any, you know,

Any big autopsies from kind of like your strategy this week, how the tournament worked out for you, how it played out compared to how you expected it to play out?

Yeah, I mean, well, I guess the bottom line is no, not done more to add to it. You know, nothing that I really took too much from that, you know, I'm taking into this week as far as, you know, poor those that had poor performances like, you know, a Thomas Dietry missing a cut, not meaning too, too much to me. If you saw some good things from solid players like a Billy Horschel, that's nice to see. It kind of makes me attracted to playing him this week.

I was on a Kuchar outright ticket going into the fourth round, which that was also the same day as the third round. So a little disappointing there. As far as the whole story for after, I mean, you could see like the whole golf world is like grasping for straws for a story right now. It's just we're just ready to move on and get to the playoffs.

Yeah. I think that this time of year, the FedEx cup playoffs has really struggled to connect with fans just in general for a number of reasons and not to completely belabor the point. Cause this is one of the main things I talked about on the Sunday podcast, but I personally think a large reason for that is the venues that they choose. Right. Again, not to do a whole architecture corner, but I,

I, it's a completely short-sighted at this point to not see that venues affect these golf tournaments. And I think are no shots to the Southeast. I know you're a Florida guy. I went to college in the Southeast myself. Um, but I just think that continuing to go to these places in, in August, continue to go to Memphis in August, um,

is completely redundant. And I understand why they do it. I totally understand that FedEx, they have this great long-term partnership with the tour and for them to move to another venue, they'd need to find a company that's going to pony up the same type of cash that FedEx. I totally understand that piece. But I think the Wyndham provided this very strong and interesting juxtaposition where you got one of the more

wild, ridiculous back nines that we've seen in so much in, in quite a, quite a while. And I'm trying to think of a time where I can remember a more ridiculous back nine and more ridiculous two hours of golf. Um,

And I was pleasantly surprised, I think, kind of to go back to the broader point you were making about this time lacking a little bit of juice. I can't say I'm super freaking excited for the FedEx Cup playoffs, but what we got yesterday at Wyndham was one of the more engaging experiences I've had watching golf all season.

It obviously is further exacerbated by the community win. I think it gets everyone excited, gives everyone some more bankroll going into the playoff. You know, if it wasn't an Aaron Rye win and, you know, Grazerman came out with that W, I don't know if it has the same level of excitement. But I know everyone was pumped up coming out of it and agreed on the venue. You know, it feels a little redundant overall.

Yeah, I don't really mind the course this week. It's more so about the fact that we're getting four of the same tournaments, right to 3M. We're looking for the same thing, accuracy, avoiding the water. Water hazards, yeah. And then even adding on with the Olympics, that's another version of it as well. So in one hand, it's redundant. At the other hand, this is kind of where we're going to get our edge because it's pretty straightforward. Yeah.

We're looking at recent stats, not just because they're recent, but because a lot of the courses that were right before this are going to be quite relevant in the comps.

That was one of the bigger points I made on the podcast too, was that you have this stretch where we've actually had four tournaments in a row dating back to the Open Championship. The last time that we had a tournament where distance is more important than accuracy was the Scottish Open. But since the Open Championship, this run of Troon was heavily accuracy over distance.

3M, some may quibble at this, but the Cameron Champs subs are red herring. That's way more an accuracy over distance golf course. And then right into LaGolf Nationale, heavily skews accuracy over distance.

Sedgefield obviously skews accuracy over distance. And then you're getting the exact same thing here at TPC South when a lot of these Southeastern Bermuda courses are always Eastlake will be the same thing are always going to skew accuracy over distance because the nature of Bermuda rough, as you probably know, playing down in Florida a ton, it's a lot harder to create a predictable outcome. So in just in general, from a bird's eye view, it's just a lot harder to bomb and gouge

a golf course out of Bermuda rough. So we're kind of at this point with a lot of these guys where it's like, okay, Russell Henley looks amazing based on the recent stats. Corey Connors looks amazing based on the recent stats, Colin Morikawa, Tom Kim, all of these accuracy over distance guys and middle iron guys are,

It's kind of, if not now, then when time, like you're, you're kind of reaching this culmination with all of these players where they kind of got to capitalize on, on this final week. Is it, you know, we're going to Castle Pine next week and playing an 8,000 yard course at act, you know, at altitude where we're going to be back again, looking at like Rory and Wyndham Clark and Tony Finau.

Yep. Couldn't agree more. And, uh, and yeah, like I said, and I think like we both discussed, it's pretty straightforward this week. I think we both discussed some folks that we like, like even before the numbers came out, course feels fairly straightforward, kind of know where the clicks were going to be before, uh, before the odds even came out. So looking forward to it. What were some of the more, so the, the pricing came out, um,

The pricing came out a few hours ago and we'll talk about the betting board and the DraftKings pricing semi-intertwined here.

Were you surprised with any of this pricing at the top? If we look at Scheffler 12.4, a 1,000-yard gap between him and Zander, and then all the way down to Rory 11.1, and then another 1,000-yard gap between, I don't know why I'm saying yards, 1,000, too much. I'm deep into my football model as well. 1,000 price gap between him and Ludwig and Morikawa.

I actually thought the pricing was pretty good. You know, where I was surprised wasn't at the numbers necessarily, but you know, Scotty being 12,400, no 5,000 mark this week. So they're really making you pay to play Scotty here. And it's going to create some interesting decisions as there's been, you know, interesting choices throughout the season. But, you know, if you click Scotty, it's like the rest of the way you're going with 7,200 and,

it gets pretty challenging because there's certainly a difference in quality of player when you go from the 8,000 mark down. I think it's a bigger gap than we've seen in prior contests. So I think that's where the biggest challenges that I saw. I think the Scottie price is fair. I think it is what it should be. And

I know that I'm very curious as what you think the ownership will be this week, because I agree that he is priced just at a point where it's uncomfortable enough. And we saw this Scottie price tag

Um, it was fairly similar at La Golf National, right? Where he was in the 12s, he was in the low 12s and you didn't have a 6k option. And I want to say at the Olympics, Scotty was what? 24 ish percent, 25% at the Olympics. He was in that range, right? He was definitely, he was definitely sub 30 at the Olympics. Yeah, certainly. Okay. So listen, I mean,

For all of the reasons why Scottie was a phenomenal fit at La Golf National, there are a lot of things working in Scottie's favor this week at TPC Southland. And I talked about a lot of them on the Sunday podcast that I did. But just to recap...

You want to play Scotty Scheffler on water heavy golf courses. You want to play Scotty Scheffler on golf courses where there are clearly defined hazards. Scotty plays well on golf courses where it's like hit it here. And if you don't hit it here, you're going to be in trouble.

because one of the biggest assets that Scottie has to his game is his total driving. And he's far more accurate than he is long, right? And so on some of these driving accuracy golf courses that emphasize accuracy over distance, I'm thinking about TPC Sawgrass. I'm thinking about Muirfield Village. I'm thinking about Le Golf National.

Scotty has a tremendous leg up, right? And he's coming off at the Olympics. Hard to believe that was his best ball striking performance of the season, right? So somehow like Scotty still hasn't reached his peak from a ball striking perspective. He hit the ball better at the Olympics than he hit the Masters. He hit the ball better at the Olympics than he did at Miraflown Village. Like that performance at the Olympics from a ball striking perspective, he lost a stroke and a half putting, right?

That was his most dominant ball striking perspective performance of the entire season. And now he's going to a golf course that emphasizes his tee to green skill and has really easy greens. Like that's one of the other things that I would mention at TPC Southland. This is a golf course with really easy greens. Like there's not a lot of slope. There's not a lot of undulation to them.

we've seen a lot of poor putters win at this golf course. Zalatoris, Lucas Glover, Justin Thomas. Justin Thomas won this tournament losing strokes putt. So I think the...

The problem that you have with, with Sheffler this week is like, there are some guys in the nines that I really love. And I am initially drawn to a very balanced build here, but there is, there is, it is very, very difficult. I mean, he has to lose what six strokes putting to finish outside of the top 10 this week. Yeah. His floor is unbelievable.

he would really have to miss a lot of putts to miss here. So I know where you're going with it, and I'm in full agreement with you. It's going to be a really tough decision at that price, given the recent form coming out of the Olympics with a gold bid,

he's definitely going to have some steam. The one thing that people may take a look at is just course history and just be like, why? What's this course have relative to his course history elsewhere? But

you know, it's hard. It's going to be really hard not to play him. My guess is he falls in that like 30 to 35% range just given his price. And I think, you know, in theory, I came over without before the pricing came out and said, I'm definitely going to play him in 100% of my lineups. It's just a perfect fit. And then you try to see what you can build. And it's

it's pretty challenging to your point. You're going to have to avoid, you know, the, the hot part of the board, which is pretty much between that 8,500 and 9,500 for the most part. Yeah. That's the big, the biggest counter argument in my opinion to not play Shuffler is I think the course history thing is, is a little flimsy because he's, he's just not that guy anymore. He was not the driver of the ball that he is at this version of Scotty Shuffler. Right. I guess the, the biggest argument is that,

The Pinehurst version of Scottie Scheffler still exists, right? Like that floor can pop up from once, twice a season, right? Where he does still have that minus six putting performance advantage.

in his range of outcomes. And the last time that he putted so poorly was on pure champion Bermuda grass at Piners. Now, with that being said, the greens at Piners are significantly more challenging than the greens that he will face this year. But I guess if you're making the case of just pure agronomy, last time he was on fast Bermuda, he really, really struggled on the greens.

That's the best anti-Sheffler case that I could really think of. And yet saying all that, I haven't even made a judgment call myself this week on whether I'm going to play him because I think there are a number of like

phenomenal squeeze opportunities as we get a little bit farther down the board and we can talk about that and like kind of my love for guys like hovland and rory and can't lay this week but as we work our way a little bit down if you're not playing shuffler how would you start your lineups are you going zander or are you starting a little bit farther down yeah if i don't go shuffler

I'm not playing Xander this week, I don't think. I think of the top of the board, he's somebody that I had ruled out relatively quickly. I think Xander tends to just get squeezed generally, but it's also his recent off the tee numbers have been kind of hit or miss, nothing that I loved. Obviously, he's overcome that and he's won a major, but I see his floor as...

you know, T 15. Is it worth it? I'm with you on the Xander driving, by the way. I think that Xander is a significantly worse and weaker driver of the ball, particularly from an accuracy standpoint than Scheffler. Um, and I think that's relevant on a golf course like this. It's not like a, again, all these reasons to fade Xander and, and, and Scotty are flimsy at best, but it's, it's relevant.

Yeah, certainly. Especially when you could go down to somebody like Rory, which I think is a fair starting point, especially after he flipped on the switch on his irons at the Olympics. I mean, it was his best iron performance of the year. Rory was unbelievable at the Olympics. Rory hit the ball phenomenally at the Olympics. I haven't played Rory in a couple of weeks. I faded him at the Olympics. I faded him at the Open Championship and I faded him at the Scottish Open. And this may have been where you were leading, but...

he kind of has a buy sign to me right now. I agree. Couldn't agree more. I think the price plus the owner, I think he'll be, he's at a lower price and I think he's going to be at a lower ownership than both Scotty, maybe Xander, which makes me pretty attracted to it. I agree. I think there's a decent chance Rory gets squeezed now squeezed in a 70 man field. What does that look like? But if I told you this week,

Scottie's 32, Xander's 25, and Rory's 15. Does that track for you? I mean, we're recording this early on a Monday afternoon, but I would definitely wager that Rory is lower than Scottie, Xander, Morikawa, and I think Ludwig and Rory will probably be in a similar zone.

Yeah, I would agree that that's how I think the ownership shakes out. The percentage, I think maybe he comes closer back in steam, especially given course history. And he's had a very solid season. He'll come closer to 18%, 19%. But to answer your original question, I'm definitely going to start a lot of lineups with Rory. And then conversely, probably some other lineups with...

Colin and or Fleetwood, who I'm a big fan of this week as well. And I think the good thing with Rory too, the other thing that Rory has going from here from a price standpoint is,

We'll get to the 6k range, but I love Morikawa this week personally. I bet Morikawa and you could even plug Fleetwood into that Morikawa slot if you prefer Fleetwood to Rory or if you prefer Fleetwood to Morikawa. I tried building Scheffler Morikawa lineups. It's really uncomfortable. And I know people are going to argue there's some really good names at the bottom of the 6k range.

Those lineups are shaky at best. I don't feel as comfortable with them the way that I actually think that you can build some very viable Rory Morikawa lineups. I actually think that you can make the Rory Morikawa start work very well and not face a lot of the anxiety and dumpster diving that you would have if you wanted to play Scheffler with another high-end player

you know, top of the 9K range, bottom of the 10K range stud. So what's the Fleetwood case this week? Because right now I have Morikawa firmly ahead of him in my interest, but I do think Fleetwood will be a lower own than Morikawa. I think Morikawa will be quite popular this week.

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Yeah, I mean, Fleetwood, for all the reasons that we liked him at the Olympics, right? And if you look at his numbers there, he, I mean, he very easily could have won, even if you don't look at the numbers and you just watched on Sunday, you know, straight driver, on approach, you take him off a court, you know, putting has kind of been hit or miss. But, you know, as we mentioned, putting isn't, you know, it's not the biggest technical piece that you need this week. So,

I see no reason why Fleetwood would be somebody that I wouldn't want to play this week. It'll probably be more of an ownership decision. And again, to your point, somebody that fits well with Rory, just like everything that Fleetwood's been doing. And kind of back a step, I think that that Rory steam is going to come up when people actually start making those clicks a little bit. It's the same way that you'd seen it when you click Scheffler and then

whether it's Cantlay, Fleetwood, Morrie, then you're kind of looking at like 67, 6,800 left. And it gets pretty uncomfortable when you're just clicking the Eckrodes and the Rogers, and you end up having three of those names of those equivalents. Like you said, it gets pretty imbalanced and shaky at best.

The other, the other piece with Fleetwood, I mean, he's been really good at this golf course. He's got two top five finishes here. He finished third year last year and he's played really, really well at a lot of the comparative courses that I'm looking at. He's,

he's been really good at the Honda classic. That's like a very similar Southeastern Bermuda defining characteristic of the golf courses. Water broke. Yup. In his Brooke. Um, he also played well at Eastlake last year, all of these Southeastern Bermuda accuracy over distance golf courses seem to be Fleetwood's jam. Um, and it's to your point, you know, the it's put up or shut up time. Right. But for Fleetwood, it's like 10 years coming. Um,

So I just, I want to be there when it comes. Before we, before we talk about, you know, the pricing on your favorite guy this week, Connors and my favorite guy this week, Henley, which I think is a bit more robust than either of us were expecting. You are like one of the only people that I can safely say this to, because I know that you look at DFS the same way or similar way than I do.

I've got kind of a buy sign on Hovland this week. My numbers really like Hovland long-term on this golf course. Like I,

If Hovland was anywhere close to the best version of himself, even if he can get to 80% of the best version of himself, then I think this is a phenomenal Hovland golf course. He's played well at this golf course in the past. I bet him at this golf course in the past. Similar to Scheffler, when Hovland is at his best, he's a phenomenal total driver of the ball. He combines accuracy and distance very well, and his long-term middle iron numbers are

are phenomenal. I think about Valhalla.

Hovland was in the dumps heading into Valhalla. His form was terrible. But I looked at the long-term course fit, something I had been saying for months on Hovland, where I said, Hovland's going to win Valhalla. That's a great golf course for Hovland. And I said, I'm going to go with my long-term course fit numbers on Hovland here and still play him and take my chances in that the weeks off that he's had, he's regained some form and figure some things out. I feel a little similarly.

this week at Memphis, where I think my long-term form and course fit on Hovland makes a tremendous amount of sense at this golf course. And there's a very good get right spot for him. It's really easy around the greens, really easy around the greens ranked like 42nd out of 45 courses in around the green difficulty. I think he might be the lowest stone guy in the 9k range. And I think I'll be there.

I'm with you. I think he might be the skeleton key to the slate. I mean, the upside is certainly there. The, you know, the course comps, you know, from, from experience, Sedgefield, um, and he broke as well. Yeah. So he certainly has. Yeah, exactly. So he certainly has the upside there. Um,

With the potential to really crash out as well as we've seen sometimes this season. But, you know, that's why you get the leverage. That's why it's strictly an ownership play. And given who's around him, you know, I think Cantlay right above him is going to pick up some steam. You know, people, you know, I've been hearing a lot of Cantlay chatter of late. I like Cantlay. I do like Cantlay a lot.

Agreed. And I think people will look at, you know, history relevant courses in recent form. And Cantley's had a pretty good last month, you know, when you look at, you know, some of these top five finishes and then people go below and Hideki just came, you know, got a bronze in the Olympics, good course form. So I think there's a lot of popularity around Hovland, which will keep him pretty low. I mean, you know, in some of these groups, I think it might be sub, you know, five to 7%, which again, that gives you the opportunity to really break the slate.

And, um, and there's another player who I also have interest in and falls into this category. But if you look at the way that Hovland hit the ball, the final couple of days at the Olympics, like he really had a terrible round one, similar deal with Wyndham Clark, like both Victor Hovland and Wyndham Clark played incredibly over their final two days over the weekend at the Olympics.

on a very water heavy demanding tee to green golf course um so i'm with you i'm on hovland the way that i'm leaning right now is the four guys that i may end up playing above 9k are rory colin can't lay and hovland and that kind of brings us down to this like

Very difficult predicament at the bottom of the 9K range where Henley's my favorite guy. Connors is your favorite guy. We both like both of them a ton. When I made my pricing, I had these guys at like 8.4 and 8.3. And so I just don't quite know what to do with Connors and Henley. Phenomenal course fits. Like truly, truly phenomenal course fits. Like if Corey Connors, Russell Henley, they're going to win a golf tournament, like this is the spot.

Absolutely. No, I agree. Couldn't agree more. I think they're both ideally built for this sort of course. I actually like the pricing that DK did with them because if they were at 8.3, 8.4, they're going to get juiced up to 20%. It's a tough decision. It's a very difficult decision this week. Yeah. I feel like DraftKings was very deliberate on making individuals make these decisions. So yeah, I mean...

off the tee approach. Corey Connors has quietly been getting better in his short game as well. And so not that it's, you know, fully necessary here, but it's, you know, it's in his bag to go pretty low and Henley for all the same reasons, honestly. And right below, then you have Tom Kim, which could really do the same thing. And so it is going to be some tough decisions here, especially you and I, you know, we play a similar way where we keep the pool pretty tight for the upside. It's going to be, it's going to be challenging here.

Tom Kim in the exact same category. Like the first thing that I did this morning was that Tom came 45 to one and Russell Henley 55 to one. And again, the case is very simple, right? Like both of these guys, the other piece with the Wyndham too is that

That you need to be in great iron form, right? Like the winner of the Wyndham championship, your Lucas Glover's, your wills, Alatorre's Lucas Glover was coming off a plus seven approach performance. Um, when he won the Sedgefield, there's this long gap.

historical president of guys being in great iron form winning at this golf course. And so the three guys that I bet this week all gained over six strokes approach on their last start. And you look at Tom Kim's numbers from the Olympics, Tom Kim gained over seven strokes on approach at the Olympics. Russell Henley gained over six strokes on approach at

Adam at the Open Championship and Colin Mark Allah had his best approach performance of the season at the Olympics like at a very elementary level. If you are going to build your pool based on who are the guys that are hitting their irons the best right now.

That's a pretty darn sound historical strategy at Southwind. And that's going to lead you all over players like Connors, Tom Kim, Russell Henley that further the difficulty of that Scottie decision because it's like, damn, you can make some pretty fire lineups. Yeah. Start with Morikawa and then you play Henley and Kim or Henley and Connors or Connors and Kim in the same lineup.

Yeah, totally agree. I know it's exactly where I was leading to as well. It makes that Scottie decision that much tougher because maybe you go with one of those guys, Scottie, Tom Kim, Scottie, Sungjae, we can speak about, but that's pretty much it. You got to go lower in like the 7,500 range to really build out the rest, the rest of the way if you're going with Scottie. So it really takes you, takes you out of the running with a handful of these folks that are really do have win equity.

If we go a little bit farther down into the eights, there's some guys I like. There's some interesting names here. I actually expected Finau to be a touch higher. I would have expected Finau to be higher priced, certainly, than Connors and Henley and Tom Kim, I suppose. But who kind of has your attention in the 8K range?

Yes. So I do like Sungjae this week. Yeah, I know you do. Yeah. Course history, recent form, relevant comps. I think his game is right there. And I think that he probably disappointed enough folks last week at Sedgefield, you know, probably was one of the top two, three and most owned individuals on the slate.

with, you know, he made the cut, but top 40, top 50 performance. So I think his ownership is going to be in check. But I think given, you know, the recent form, given the comps, he's certainly somebody that I'm taking a look at. And then I do like Finau this week. He's in a crowded area, but...

You know, we had spoken about, you know, off the tee, a little bit questionable, could get a little shaky. I love his game on approach. And you're taking it again to a course where he doesn't need to be putting perfectly, you know, and he's had a pretty good overall season. It's someone that I'm certainly taking a look at as well. The other guy that I thought you were going to mention was our guy, Shane Lowry.

um oh yeah yeah who i just you know and i know he's a little bit lower price than those guys um but i think this is a really good um bounce back spot for a lowry too at 8k flat um he still hit the ball fine at the window he gained a stroke off the t two strokes on the approach um that always felt like a questionable spot for him like i didn't really understand why he was

playing that tournament. And I'm much happier that he missed the cut at the Wyndham and still hit the ball well, that I would have been if he had to go through that, you know, 36 whole day on Sunday.

Lowry's really accurate off the tee. Like if you dive into some of Lowry's accuracy numbers, if you dive into some of Lowry's middle iron approach numbers, um, if you dive into some of his history at golf, like Lowry has three top five finishes in a row at the Honda classic, um, played well at this golf course before he's had a lot of success chipping and putting off of Bermuda. He's chipped and putted well at this golf course to, um, Lowry's he's been really kind to me this year. Like he's,

He was a core play for me at Valhalla. He was a core play for me in two of the four majors this year. He's at Valhalla in the Open Championship. He's in core consideration for me again.

agreed. I mean, he's perpetually 8,000, 10% and we'll get a T 20, right. Or more. I mean, he was, he was a huge piece for me and my success at the open and the PGA chat. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you. And he kind of, you know, when we were talking about Fino, I mean, Lowry brings the better, the strength off the T, um,

that Finau can be a little bit shaky with. Again, relevant course comps for Lowry. And the putting can still be a little bit challenging, but again, on a course where it doesn't really demand it at a high, high level, he certainly has win equity as well at this price, which I think it's after him that I'd say the win equity gets a little bit shaky below. I'd agree. I think once you start getting into the sevens, like this high 7K range,

There's a lot of risk involved. Okay. There's tremendous questions surrounding Wyndham Clark right now and his form. Maybe a little bit of that's overblown. Like I actually don't think Wyndham's playing as bad as the perception of Wyndham Clark's play fits. No idea what's going on with him. Adam Scott's playing great at the moment, but yeah,

He's still Adam Scott. Like it's, that's never a super, super comfortable click. There's a lot of low floor equity still that always exists with Adam Scott. And then you get into guys like Spieth and Homa, right? So I think this is kind of like the perfect range of guys that we love taking our chances on that I would expect to be pretty neglected this week. I think once you get past,

I think Burns will be fairly popular. I think what you get, and maybe Lowry a touch, maybe people go back to Rye. But I think between Clark all the way down to Straka, there'll be a lot of Straka love. But this range of Clark, Fitz, Adam Scott, Jordan Spieth, Benny Onn, Brian Harmon, Max Homa, Jason Day, one of those guys is contending. And I don't think any of them will be super high-owned.

Fully agree. And I think it kind of lends itself to why folks are going to end up going down this route of, all right, let's start our lineups with Morikawa and then go down to the AKs and add two guys and then pick one at the high sixes or whatever the case may be. It's going to be a part of the build strategy here is that people don't like the 7K range. I think folks will like Sepp Straka, you know, Kord.

Course history, relevance, relevant comps has had a pretty good season. Davis Thompson will probably be pretty popular as well. It's been pretty consistent, but across, you know, you can poke a ton of holes across the rest of this board. And the only person that I've really been keeping an eye on is Adam Scott, for the reasons that you mentioned, you know, he's had a pretty good season has been, you know, good off the tee, but to your point, there's just, uh, it's a lot of blah in this range. And, uh,

And then the one other person I would add is, uh, is Taylor Penderith at 7,100. I kind of forgot he was in the low part of the range, but, uh,

At 3M, had a huge, huge weekend. He had five off, gained five off the tee, three off approach. The week before, gained five on approach. So he's been in pretty good form of late, making a lot of cuts. He's somebody I like at 7,100. But outside of that, it's kind of a messy, messy range. Anyone that you're into in here? Yeah, I would actually...

I do think this is a time to, to buy on Wyndham Clark. Um, and, and I've had, I've had a pretty solid beat on him, you know, hit or miss. Like I, I, I was really high on him early in the year and, and was one of the people advocating for him 90 to one at pebble beach. Like he came out of the gates, um,

really high in my numbers. And I kind of said, Windham's a real guy. Like that US Open was not a flash in the pan by any means. This guy's a real guy and he's going to win more golf tournaments. We hit the big 90 to one at Pebble Beach. And then he started to show us kind of like

Not a ton of value for me in the market. And I kind of hopped off before he stopped playing good golf. Like I wasn't a part of him at the players. I wasn't a part of him when he finished runner up at,

at the, uh, at the heritage. Um, I kind of bet him at Windham and then have faded throughout the rest of the year. And that burned me a little bit. And then it ended up being a good, pretty long-term move. I faded him at all the majors. And then I hopped back on him at the Genesis Scottish open where he was good again. Um,

So I feel like I have a pretty decent read on him outside of maybe not sticking around as long as I should have earlier in the season after he won Pebble for us.

He hit the ball unbelievably well at LaGolf Nationale over the weekend. And I know that we were joking. I thought you were crazy for playing Wyndham Clark at LaGolf Nationale. And that proved out to be a very sound play by you at low ownership. My concern with Clark at LaGolf Nationale and my concern for him here, he is not an accurate driver of the ball. So you

you do not necessarily, you want to play him on, on distance over accuracy golf courses like LACC and quail hollow. And, and I was really worried about Clark's accuracy at LaGolf National, which it looked like it was playing, going to play out that way on Thursday. And then he drove the ball really well over, you know, over the next three days at LaGolf National. And he's, he's kind of done it before at LaGolf.

Sawgrass where it's like, if you can compete off the tee at Sawgrass, then you are capable of doing it. Even if your long-term accuracy numbers are really concerning. He showed me enough at La Golf National where I'd be willing to take a chance on him at low ownership here.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm a Wyndham guy, right? And I'm a little bit worried for the reasons you mentioned off the tee can get a little bit chaotic that way. But yeah, when he puts it all together, like he did a TPC Sawgrass with a T2 where he very much could have won, could have come out with it there.

He has win equity. And that's, you know, you play the game for the potential outcomes of the ceiling here. Yes, he could certainly have a DFL and that's in the range of outcomes as well. But at 7900, where he's certainly going to be sub 10%, you know, based on who's kind of around him, you know, could be could be worth the bet.

As we get into the low sevens and finish up in the 6K range, I agree with your Pendrith take. I got to do a little bit of a deeper dive on him. I have to rerun my model with some of the Wyndham numbers too and switch some things up a little bit after all of the Wyndham numbers came in for us this morning. I'd go back to see Wu Kim. He murdered me last week from a DFS perspective. But again, I

I would make this case for Siwoo Kim. I would make this case for Sung J.M. I would make this case for Brian Harmon. I would make this case for Shane Lowry. These players that were high-priced at the Wyndham and good fits at the Wyndham that are now far lower-priced and far lower-owned, obviously a lot of that is because of field strength. But I think Harmon and Siwoo are very reasonably priced and going to be very reasonably owned

There are a lot of similarities in this golf course in terms of the accuracy over distance, the middle iron play, the southeastern Bermuda. That would lead me to say if you were as heavy on Harmon and Siwoo as I was last week, I see no real reason to hop off now that they're 7.2 and 7.6.

agreed and if for nothing else you know playing a couple of these guys can give you know the opportunity to diversify into playing scotty and so yeah it opens a lot of things up if you like these folks and you know they're also going to be loaned i think pretty much across the board 6k range we'll finish up here um i know our guy kyle loves some guys in the bottom sixes um i haven't

I haven't totally had that experience, like looking through the 6K range, that there are a bunch of names that I think are like wildly mispriced and these tremendous opportunities outside of there's a player that I really like at 6.2 and a couple guys I like in the mid to high sevens. But how would you assess the 6K range? Yeah, no, I agree with you. There's nothing that really stands out where I'd say, you know, I really, really want to play

I don't think there's any wild miss prices here. I think based on the way that Eric Cole is playing, I thought he would be a little higher and maybe same with Ben Griffin, but I don't think there's any wild miss prices down here.

Yeah, no, totally agree. And, you know, again, it creates the issue that we've been talking through the whole time. It's that you're going to have to force yourself to essentially play one or two of these folks if you end up playing Scottie in your lineup. And even inclusive of, you know, the model I built, a lot of these folks come to the bottom for that reason, minus, you know, the Ben Griffins who gained eight on approach last week, which, you know, is kind of unbelievable as well.

I think you got to play him unless he's like super high owned. Like I think if, you know, it's a 70 man field, so you're going to get a couple gross group thing stuff at the bottom. But if Ben Griffin is in the single digits at 6.6 on another Southeastern Bermuda golf course, that's a pretty tough thing.

That's a pretty tough fade for me. Now, he's a bad driver of the ball. So there are reasons to fade. But if you start to see like 6.6 Ben Griffin at 15% ownership, you send this tournament out a couple of times, there are a lot of cases in which Ben Griffin completely drives himself out of this golf tournament. But if you're looking for...

Again, that defining ethos that we've talked about here of like great iron players win this golf tournament, great iron players just consistently show up at this golf tournament, throw out everything else out the window, focus on recent approach play. It's going to leave you like pretty steadily on Ben Griffin, Eric Cole and Tom Hoagie. Honestly. Yeah. Tom Hoagie was somebody else that I was taking a look at as well. Um,

And I honestly don't mind Jonathan Vegas. I mean, obviously, you know, two tournaments off a win, but driving the ball unreal with accuracy in 3M again, you know, a place where you got to be accurate and he gained six strokes on approach, you know, the week he won. Now, is he likely to win again? Certainly not. But, you know, having a good week is in his range. Victor Perez has been, you know, steady Eddie all season. You know, I wouldn't mind playing him as well.

but it definitely gets a little mucky down here. The only guy in the low six is

that I gravitated to was Kirk. I think Chris Kirk at 6'2". I was surprised to see that low of a price on a guy that's played well at this golf course. He has a 16th here last year. He's won the Honda Classic before. He's got a very strong, solid resume of...

Southeastern Bermuda golf courses with a high miss fairway penalty golf courses with a lot of water. He's coming off a 31st at the open where he gained strokes in both ball striking categories. This feels like a really, really good Chris Kirk spot for me. And at 6.2,

That's play. That's a good one, in my opinion. I think that's a pretty sharp play at 6.2. But other than that, I don't have a whole else in here. We always joke. I'm worried we gave away a lot of the good ones on the pot. You always get mad at me for giving away the good ones. Yeah, well, it's a short field, so there's only so many players we can talk about.

Yeah. I think Chris Kirk has, I think Chris Kirk has a lot of, a lot of potential this week, but, um, all right, dude, anything else before we get out of here? Who's your winner? One name, one name. Who's the winner?

I think that Corey Connors takes it this week. I think it's his time. Yeah, I'm going to go with Morikawa, but I agree with you on Connors. Like I think the case for Morikawa and Connors is similar this week. Those are like two of the most accurate drivers of the ball, two of the best middle iron players.

And you don't need to putt well to win. You don't, you do not need to putt well at this golf tournament to win here. Very easy greens. And I think if you're looking at like winners of Memphis and you go through the list of like,

Zala Taurus, Lucas Glover. The next name that you read is Connors or Morikawa. I think it fits, uh, fits pretty nicely there. So, uh, thanks for joining me now, dude. How was the, uh, how's the pot? How's the first time on the pot? What'd you think?

Good stuff, man. It was fun. I mean, obviously it just takes a little bit of getting used to being recorded, but it's comfortable as casual kind of as expected. We talk golf 24-7 with Kyle. So we're in a group chat talking about this pretty much every second of every day. That's right. That's right. No, it was a fun time. I appreciate you having me on.

Anytime, buddy. Anything you got to plug before we get out of here? You don't really care if people follow you on Twitter. We want to keep people away from Rishi. We don't want to watch people blowing up your DMs.

No, I'm just excited to root for the Dolphins here shortly and with football season coming up. Not to get us way in advance of the season, but it's a very exciting couple months. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, a bunch of football conversations we'll have. Maybe we'll bring the whole group chat back up.

on the pod and do a bit of a football preview. Ball knowers after dark. Ball knowers after dark as we get closer to the NFL season. Thanks for joining me, man. We'll do it again soon, buddy. All right, buddy. Take care. All right. That's it for the podcast. Special thanks to Rishi. Special thanks to Rumpier Sports. Special thanks

to Betts Burts Golf. Apologies again on my end for the lack of microphone. We will be back on this podcast feed breaking down Castle Pines and the BMW Championship. Hopefully back with my regular audio equipment. Doing a great little Sunday pod on a golf course that we've never really seen before on the PGA Tour. Those are some of the most fun weeks today.

in my opinion, and hopefully the weeks where the podcast and the breakdown can bring the best value. So best of luck with your bets this weekend. Enjoy the golf, and we will see you next time. Cheers.