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Welcome back to Write Answers Mostly, a podcast on what you didn't learn in history class but really wanted to. My name is Tess Valomo. And my name is Claire Zonald. And you guys, we are starstruck. We are ecstatic today to have the one, the only Sarah McLachlan joining us. Sarah, we know that you need no introduction, but we're going to just highlight a few of your accomplishments before diving in today.
Sarah is one of the most celebrated singer-songwriters with over 40 million albums sold worldwide and two Grammy Awards. Sarah founded the Lilith Fair Tour, which showcased female musicians and brought over 2 million people together during its three-year run. Lilith Fair raised over $7 million for local and national charities and was the most successful all-female music event ever.
Which is amazing. Amazing. In 2002, she founded her nonprofit, Sarah McLachlan School of Music, which provides high quality music education and mentorship free to children and youth facing various barriers to access. Sarah will embark on her fumbling towards ecstasy 30th anniversary tour next month, making her way across North America with 30 upcoming shows. Which we will be at at the Hollywood Bowl. Catch us there. Yes, we cannot wait. Hi, Sarah.
Sarah, if your dogs bark in the background, we welcome it. We always love a dog third co-host. Yes, always. Well, they are quite vocal, these two. The drop of a squirrel or anything, they lose their minds. That's how we like it. Hi, Sarah. Thank you so much for joining us on Right Answers Mostly. Thank you.
My pleasure. Nice to be here. It's so nice to meet you. Well, just a little backstory. You've always been a dream guest of ours. We grew up listening to you. We have two amazing mothers who absolutely adore you. So this is just like a pinch me moment for both of us. Very special to both of our families. Yes. And we did an episode about a year ago on the chicks. Yes.
And Claire hosted it and was, you know... It was one of my favorite research processes. And in that, we found out that they were the first country headliners of Lilith Fair. And I, you know, unfortunately was like, oh, what is Lilith Fair? Looked into it. And then when we talked about it on the episode, Tess and I were like, this is the most... An all-female music festival with the best lineup, started by Sarah McLachlan. Incredible. And I...
I just was shocked I didn't know about this because I grew up listening to you and Bonnie Raitt and Indigo Girls and Dar Williams. And I had no idea about Lilith Fair. So we made a TikTok about it that, you know, went a little viral. And people were very upset that we did not know about this. People attacked us, Sarah, which, like, I guess rightly so. But they came to your defense and they were like, you fools. You are idiots. Yes. Yeah.
That's a bit harsh. Well, that comment was a bit harsh, but some of them were actually really beautiful. Yeah. I mean, it got over like 2 million views and the passion that people had about just, you know...
their experiences at Lilith Fair, what it meant to them, what it meant to, you know, them going with their girlfriends and sisters and mothers and, you know, people just hold it very near and dear to their hearts. And we're glad that this TikTok, even though that we were naive, you know, brought us to, to getting to talk to you today. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, Lilith was an incredible time for me as a young woman, as an artist,
trying to make my way and, and recognizing that, you know, there were so many other fantastic women making great music yet they weren't being represented. Um, and you know, I think that was the point at which I learned that pretty much every system in the world is built by men for men. And if we wanted to, uh,
sort of cast aside the old values, the things that, you know, women couldn't be put together on a stage, women couldn't play back to back on the radio. All these things were sort of unspoken rules that existed at the time that just made absolutely no sense to me. And the idea of just ignoring all that stuff and coming together and celebrating the fact that, you know, we don't need to be
you know, all fighting for one small piece of the pie. We can all coexist together. We can celebrate each other and lift each other up. And those strengths, the strength that is found in numbers and supporting each other, I think is beautiful and powerful. And that was very obvious during the three years that we participated in Little North.
The power of woman. I know. So was there a specific moment? I think that we know, but that you would like to explain that you were like, okay, I will start an all female festival then.
You know, it was a really it started out as a very simple idea that I guess in hindsight was also very naive. I wanted to play some shows during the summer, but I didn't want to have all the responsibility of it on my shoulders. And I thought, well, I've had all these amazing women open up for me. Let's just
Get get a bunch of them. And, you know, again, looking out going, well, there's no representation. I look at Horde and Lollapalooza and there's like one token woman yet. All these women I know are making amazing music and really starting to to have significant success. And I thought, wouldn't it be fun? Let's just do some shows together. And so I went to my management team and also with my agent and they're like, let's try it out.
and it was really that simple and we we did four shows in 1996 as sort of a test run um and lo and behold they were hugely successful and that was the point at which went let's do this for real next summer and that was when we started getting pushback because when we did those first four shows it was with promoters that we knew promoters that i had a relationship with and they're like forward thinking progressive and
this could work. Going out to the larger world and trying to get people on board was a little more of a challenge. Like, well, you can't do this. It won't work. It's like, well, we already did. And it sold out. So don't be an idiot. Get on board. And it just, you know, yeah, it was really just pushing down, pushing down those doors and, you know, not taking no for an answer. And
And thankfully, you know, there were a lot of great women who were like, this is a great idea. I want to be part of it. And that's kind of, that was the first year, which, so whoever said yes, we're like, thank you. I must be part of this. And then the first summer was a massive success, but there was also a ton of, of, uh,
a lot of which was that, you know, sort of a white chick folk fest. And that was very frustrating for me because we had asked every artist from all different genres and we got who said yes.
I'm like, yes, I agree with you. I want it to be more diverse. And I think the success of Lilith really, it helped the first year. It helped us get a more diverse lineup the next time around. It was still challenging because I think a lot of managers looked at it, you know, from a marketing perspective and from their audiences, their artists' audience perspective and going, well, this is not my artist's audience. So she's not going to do it. But I'm like, but this is how we build audiences. We play for people who maybe don't know who we are. And it's, you know, there's a,
you know, it's taking a risk and it was just pushing, pushing through and getting people to take that risk. Yeah. Were some artists that ended up performing, were they hesitant to do it? Like, was it met with some like, I don't know about this or where people are like, let's go. Oh no, there was some hesitance for sure. It is funny. I remember particularly this Chrissy Hine from the pretenders came out at, and at the beginning, she was like, yeah, I don't know about this.
You know, she's tough as nails, right? I mean, she's an absolute sweetheart, softy, but, you know, she's got this sort of brash exterior. And, you know, over the week and a half, I think that she was out, she kind of, she's like, okay, I get it. This is actually really fun and beautiful. And she softened.
God, it sounds like a dream just touring with a bunch of, you know, women in the summer. Like, ah, there sounds like nothing better. I know it's like the best camping trip ever. Oh my gosh. The only way I want to go camping. That's the only way you'll find me camping. What, what was the, can you, can you describe like the feeling of what it was just like once everything was set and you guys were there and you had this tour, like, what was it like with, you know, being with all these artists and seeing so many women in the audience? Yeah.
You know, every night was incredible. It was overwhelming for me. There was a huge amount of work involved every day. And I was also sort of Julie, the cruise director. That's a, you know, if you know, love boat, that's an old, long before your time, but yeah,
We got you. We got you. I really wanted to be present for everybody and welcome everybody and make everybody feel really comfortable, the band, the artists, the crew. I really wanted a welcoming environment. And, of course, there was, you know, we were, I think there was 130 of us out there on the road. So it was a small town, you know, and there was...
various fires to put out artists being late or not showing up or, um, which actually didn't happen that often, but just lots of, lots of work. So I was wearing sort of two very different hats all day, every day. Um, but I think for me, the highlights were getting to see all these artists that I had so much love and respect for even better getting to perhaps sing with them and, and, and perform with them. I mean, those were just, you know, talk about the campfire moments of like, um,
okay, we're all going to get together and sing at the end of the night. And I have to give a huge shout out to the Indigo Girls. I was quite shy at first, and I never want to interject myself into a situation where it's more, you know, push myself on anybody. But the Indigo Girls were like, this is a great opportunity for people to, you know, to do a kumbaya at the end, to all get together and sing together. I'm like, oh, that's fantastic. How do we do that? And she goes, well, we'll just ask. I'm like, did you do that? Yeah.
So they sort of got that ball rolling. And then, you know, I became a little more emboldened because everybody was really into it than to ask people to. So I started writing letters to all the new artists saying, hey, you know, we're doing a song at the end of the night. Please come and join us. And just, again, breaking the idea of breaking down these, you know, the sense of hierarchy or competition, right?
That to me was one of the most important elements of it. It's like, we are all in this together. We all have a beautiful place here and we want to, I want to lift everybody up. I want all of us to lift each other up and celebrate each other. And I feel like, I hope that environment was felt.
I mean, it definitely was. Some of our comments that we got on the TikTok, someone said, it was the safest, most beautiful space. This made me cry missing it. Someone said, I went to the Rose Bowl Lilith Fair June 1998. I was 17. My first concert, Sarah McLachlan, was my favorite. I worked at the Lilith Fair. The lineup was so iconic. All talented and amazing artists felt proud to be a part of it.
I mean, that's just like a snippet. A snippet. And just like, you know, you were saying how inspiring it is for all of these iconic artists to be like, there are seats at the table for everyone. And we are supporting each other. And we're showing all these women that are coming here that, you know, we don't need to be competitive and that we, there's just space for everyone. And that's very impactful and inspiring.
It still is today. Just, you know, you guys starting this, the legacy lives on. Totally. And to have women go before you to instill confidence in you, to be like, all you need to do is ask and we're here with you and we will support you in that. And like art is so inspiring and transcends just a concert, you know? And so if a woman goes and feels empowered at Lilith Fair, it's a ripple effect to what she will do in life. Amen. Amen. The power of women. I just can't say it enough. I know.
Well, and I have felt those ripple effects for years. It's so wonderful to have a young woman come up to me on the street or wherever it is and say, hey, just so you know, like your story, I was 17 years old. I went to Lilith. You showed me that I can do and be anything I want to be. I now run a corporation. I know. I know.
That experience was paramount in helping me recognize my worth and that I could do anything. So for me, I'm just like, I want to cry when I hear things like that. It's just such a beautiful validation. Oh, I mean, even on this one TikTok, we have 10,000 comments and all of them besides being like, what's wrong with you that you don't know about this? Everything else is just like, this experience shaped my life. And I think we just have to ask like,
Will it ever happen again? People are dying to know and we are dying to know. I know that that is the question that gets asked every single time. And I think something like Lilith, a similar idea could and probably should happen again. I don't think I'm the person to do it because I already did. And I was of that generation. And there's so many people.
so many stars that aligned to make that happen and make that work. And I think it was because I was, I was rising and a lot of the women who played on it together, we became more powerful and we, we wouldn't have necessarily been able to play those venues by ourselves, but together we could. And I think the difference now is if you look at billboard, it's all women.
And they are all running the shit. They're all headlining those venues and bigger. So...
On one hand, the need isn't the same, but I think the desire is still very much there to celebrate us, to create opportunities and platforms for us to come together and use that platform for good. And I think there's a lot of artists doing that. Brandi Carlile is championing women constantly. There's lots of artists. Taylor Swift always has women open up for her.
I just watched the Beyonce show and I mean, you know, she's just championing. Unreal. Yeah, amazing. So I think the ripples of it are happening within the music industry and beyond. It would be great to see it happen again. I think it would need to be reinvented and I think it would be it would need to be someone of the moment who is a rising star now.
Wow. I'm happy to sit back and be like mama mentor. Yeah. That's yeah. A very special thing that I think we don't see a lot with men to be like, it's my turn to step back and let the others shine. You know, exactly. Like even me, I'm like a, I'm a tourist, you know, I'm like, I'd want to do it again. Cause I, you know, you just also want to like relive that and everything. So that's a beautiful thing to be like, I'm going to let someone else
someone else do it. Well, and I know that you said you'll let someone else do it, but if you were to create kind of a dream lineup, who are some current artists right now that you're like, oh, they would be perfect for a little affair. All right, Rammies, who's tired? Who needs a break? Whether you're taking care of your kids, you know, we love our Rammie moms, a senior loved one or juggling both. God bless. We all need and deserve a break. Sometimes care.com can help give you that break by helping you find trusted caregivers in your neighborhood.
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You know, the thing about the bad thing about me is I don't listen to a lot of music. I'm making a new record right now too. So I've just sort of had blinders on. And then I'm like, it's like when you asked me those questions, like,
I just go blank. And it's like, I know there's a hundred artists that I was so quick. You are busy right now. You're busy. And I will be coming to that lineup. That sounds incredible. So we'll see you there. Another question we had about Lilith Fair was, did you have a favorite duet that you did with anyone that really stands out that you were like, when I was up on stage with her, that was insane? Yeah.
A couple of really notable moments. I remember singing The Water is Wide with the Indigo Girls and Emmylou Harris. Oh, my God. Also, singing Angel with Emmylou Harris was...
Not a single dry eye, I bet. Yeah. I got to sing with Cheryl Crow was on like all three years and I got to sing with her a lot. And what was the song that we did? I think it was Strong Enough. No, stop. That song kills Tessa and me. I love singing. That's such a great song. And I got to sing with Sinead O'Connor, which was pretty magical too. She sang Angel with me and that was, you know, pretty beautiful moment.
We definitely want to cover her on Ram soon. For sure. Yeah.
Yeah, she was an incredible artist. Absolutely. Wow. So you're talking about new music and obviously your tour. What has it been like revisiting Fumbling Towards Ecstasy? Well, the interesting thing is I haven't really spent a lot of time revisiting it yet because I, as I said, I'm so focused on trying to get as much of this new record done. We go into rehearsals a week before the show and that is essentially what I'm going to be digging into. Oh my God, you've
got it it's like muscle memory i'm sure it's just a week before yeah you're such a pro yeah you are show up to be fair yeah to be fair i'm probably going to be the weakest link because i have a band who's going to learn everything as it was then i'm going to come in and go and let's let's tear it all apart a true artist exactly true artist
Wow. Yeah. So you're going to 30, 30 different shows, 30 different cities. I think it's 30 different cities. Yeah. It's a pretty condensed tour. I think it's seven weeks. And do you just remember every song? I know this might be a silly question, but do artists just like, it just comes back in a second. Are you like, oh my gosh, I haven't like.
I haven't thought about the song for years or is it just like in your soul? To a certain degree it is. But then when people ask me what the song is about, I'm like, just give me a minute. I need to go listen. I need to immerse myself in it for a moment. Cause that was 30 years ago. Is there a song that you're looking forward to performing live again? That you're just, that brings just a magic and energy. Mary. Cause I haven't done that song for probably 15 years.
actually probably 20 years um and that was already one of my favorites and I actually I did youtube it to to see how we played it and I was like oh I totally don't remember this version but it's really good I'm amazing that's so cool we'll be six rows so when you're singing Mary we'll just be like yes we'll get a little excited for you for that we'll do something crazy yeah
I can act it out. Wow. Yeah, I think also, like, we just wanted to ask you, you know, revisiting an album, obviously, and going on this tour after 30 years. The music industry has changed a lot in 30 years. You know, there's been a lot of great things for new female artists. There's probably also, it's a whole new world now with social media. Like, can you speak on, you know, sort of what...
what that transition has felt like of, you know, what you see the music industry now, is it, is it better for female artists or they're. I think it's better for female artists. I do. I think, I think, you know, the internet has created on one hand new challenges, but also many opportunities. Like anybody now can put their music out very quickly, very easily. It's very accessible. The challenges with everybody doing that,
it becomes, I think, a little more challenging to rise up above all the different sounds that are happening and get yourself heard. Again, social media, I think, is an amazing opportunity to create
a platform for yourself as an artist. I think, you know, it's a lot of work because you're constantly having to put yourself out there. And I think it kind of depends on your personality. Like for me, I think that would have been incredibly challenging to, you know,
to be that revealing and to show myself that much because it just, you know, it might be a little bit my age too. I think perhaps if I was 25 and wanted to get into it, I'd have the energy and I'd be excited and invigorated by it. But, you know, for me now, these days, I'm like, oh, social media, duh.
We understand. Talk about the energy. Yeah. I've got to create content and I'm like, Oh, I know. And then it comes back to that feeling of nobody cares about what I'm doing in the studio. And they're like, yes, they do. And I'm like, yeah,
And all of our listeners do. Yeah. We will be subscribing to all the TikToks of Sarah in the studio. Yes. For sure. I know. I'm really, I think for me, it's because I don't, I'm not of that generation. I'm not documenting everything. And so then I'm like scrambling for content after the fact, you know, my, my manager's like, okay, did you record yourself in the studio? Yeah. On the,
Yeah, the music is recorded. Yeah, no, did you record videos of yourself recording music? Like, oh, just give me a minute. I'm going to record myself while I sing. I just don't think about that, right? So get somebody in there to help you do that. I'm like, who's doing that? We're all working. We're all busy. Totally. So it's a kind of a constant push and pull to be in the, because I'm very much a person who lives in the moment all the time. So I'm not on my phone. I'm not thinking about anything.
recording it for later. I'm just in it and then I, and it's done. That's a great place to be. It is. We should all be such a legacy for yourself. I'm sure that there's people around you who are like, I've got to capture this moment. So I'm sure you're taken care of in that way. Yes. Do you have any advice for current or future female artists? Oh, I'm always loathe to give sort of general advice to anybody unless they ask, but you know, I think, I,
I think these days are at any time really choosing to be an artist. It's a tough go. Um, and you have to really, really, really want it. And you have to be able to ask yourself every day, is this something that I can't live without? And if it is absolutely, or if you, you know, if you can't live without it, go absolutely be an artist. And I think surrounding yourself with people who believe in you, believe in what you do and, uh,
believe you alone to, to pursue that, I think is really important. That's a big challenge. And in that, as an artist, know yourself, know your worth, believe in yourself and be just dogmatic about, you know, sticking to your truth and what you believe in, which is, it's really tough because you've always got people pushing you and pulling you in different directions for their own agendas. But I would say, no, no, your own agenda and stick with it.
That's great advice. I think that's phenomenal advice. I mean, even as Tess and I are trying to grow our business and our business
our creative projects. That's so inspiring to hear. So thank you for that. Absolutely. And can you talk a little bit about the new album at all or what was the inspiration behind it? Or is it all? It's not, it's not secret at all. It's just, I'm not sure I have a really good answer for you yet. It's, it's in process and I've been, I've been writing for the last 10 years on and off. I've just been really distracted by life and I,
uh with covid and i i've been the the chair of the sarah mclaughlin school of music for 21 years now and i've been one of the main fundraisers for that and it's been an amazing beautiful journey a crazy labor of love and i spent a lot of time fundraising um for that so that and i've you know got a teenage daughter i'm a dance mom um amazing a dance mom i love that all
I love this era for you. Yes. And I absolutely love it. And I mean, she's almost 17 now. So there's a long gone are the days where I have to do her hair and makeup. She's like, don't touch me, mom. Yeah, she's got it covered now. But yeah, I never set out with any preconceived idea about how an album is going to be.
even songs, I just kind of let them come. And which is probably why it takes me so damn long. Is it sort of like when I think I play every day and I'm always making music, but lyrics are few and far between. And, you know, often a little idea will come out, but then it'll be three years before I actually bring the song to fruition. And I think
honestly having a bit of a deadline has been very helpful like I I signed a record deal not long ago and then I started working with this art this producer Tony Berg and I hadn't actually planned to make a record this winter but I met him in December and it's like well let's just go to the studio for a day or two you know have a little date like a blind date see if we like each other and he was amazing I played him one of my most you
you know, sort of challenging songs as far as the chord structure and the architecture of it. And he played the entire thing back to me on the piano after hearing it once and going, what about, what about this chord here in this spot? I'm like, oh, damn it. That's a good idea. He just made it better. So I'm like, okay, I like this guy. So we just kind of said, well, let's spend a week together and sort of see what happens. And we just basically started making the record.
And just picking away at the songs that I had, I had about 15 songs. We quickly chopped out about six or seven of them. And at first I was kind of like, ah, but then I realized, yeah, you know what? They were pretty much all about a breakup. And that story is so old to me now. Yeah.
And I'm saying, I don't want to give that any more energy. It's like, you know what? You're right. So I got rid of those. I'm like, okay, now I've got some work to do. I've got to write a bunch of songs. So I've had some more songs. So we're sort of like, we've got 10 that feel really, really good. There's five or six more that are sort of, I'm finishing, I'm writing them. I'm having to write the lyrics, sort of really make it work.
making concrete, all the melodic changes and everything. So it's in process, but it's been so much fun. I'm in LA working with some incredible, incredible musicians, most of whom are in bands or signed artists. So it's a very different thing than just bringing in a session player. Like these guys,
And these men and women bring like really diverse, incredibly creative and exciting ideas to the table. And it's just that that collaboration is so exciting, so much fun. When it hits, it hits. I know. This is pure magic happening. Oh, my gosh. I can't wait for this album. I know. I'm so excited. Me too. Well, we joke in the studio that we're making the saddest album.
uh, you know, dense, sad music. And we're just laughing our asses off the whole time. You have to laugh to not, to not cry. Our type of people, sad girl music forever. I'm like at a party queuing up Phoebe Bridgers. Like we're all going to party to this, right? Good times. Good times always. Well, what an exciting time being able to make new music and then going on tour. Do you get nervous before you go on tour or are you just like, Oh, I got this.
No, I'm just excited. I think, you know, I'll probably be nervous before the first show just because I haven't played to large audiences like that for a while. But I love playing live. I'm so excited by the prospect of getting out there and playing these songs again. And just the energy that happens when...
when I sing my music and there's this beautiful connection that happens with the audience, it's so palatable and tangible for me. And it's like this sort of this transcendence of time and space. And this is just beautiful moment. And I think we, we all as humans are kind of desperate for connection and desperate for, for moments where we can all come together and just,
forget about shit for a minute. I mean, the world is so scary right now. We're being inundated by horrible stories and tragedies. And there's, you know, it's hard not to think the world's going to hell in a handbasket. Yet, I think we all need to be reminded that there's incredible beauty out there as well. And humanity, you know, is capable of horrible things, but it's capable of really magical, beautiful things too. And I think,
That's part of why the arts are so very, very important. It can lift us up and give us a sense of connection and a sense of, oh, I'm not alone in this. And we're all in it together. And I think those moments are really powerful and important and even more so these days. Well said. I mean, like there is nothing better than going to a concert, you know, with especially with someone that you've just loved for so long and you know all their songs and looking at strangers and you're just all having this collective experience.
Yeah. Just like experience. That's just so like, I read something that if you go to like three concerts a year, your level of happiness is like just skyrocketing. Like I believe that live music is just healing. It's so healing. It is. I can't wait for the Hollywood bowl show. I know it's going to be so fun. I'm pretty good. Such a gorgeous venue. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be incredible. I know.
Sarah, wow. This has just been, I can't believe I'm still going to be pinching myself for days to come that you took the time to sit down with us. We are so grateful and just so honored. And this has just been a true, true, just dream come true. It has been.
We do have one final question, though. Sure. We ask this to all of our guests. We do. If you could smoke a joint with anyone in history, dead or alive, who would it be and why? Welcome to Right Answers Mostly, Sarah. Well, here's the challenge. I can't smoke pot. I've tried it a few times, and I literally think I've had a heart attack. That's true.
Some people do. Yeah. You got to ride that wave. Like every six or seven years and they're like, Oh, it's, it's, you know, it's Indica. It's not sativa or whatever. I'm like,
It doesn't matter for me. I feel like I'm having a panic attack. Everybody's judging me. I want to put my head under a rock, you know, under my blankets. And please, I can't wait for this to be over. So maybe if for me, it would be a glass of wine. Let's go with that. And if it were if I could choose anybody to talk to, probably Gandhi.
Oh, oh, amazing answer. So deep. Wow. Incredible. I just think that, wow. I mean, what a man. And I just think that, you know, being able to continue to work for peace and build bridges, regardless of, you know,
the treatment, the terrible treatment. And just, I, yeah, I just think he was a great man. Wow. Gosh. Yeah. Incredible. I'm sure a lot of, a lot of our listeners would say their answer would be you. Yeah. No kidding. For sure. I will say that. Yeah. Have a glass of wine with you. We support that too. Totally. Of course. Of course.
Well, Sarah, we are just so, so excited that we got to chat with you. And thank you so much for your time. And we are hoping that Lilith Fair can come back one day. We are just manifesting it. We'll do anything. We'll do anything. We'll be there front row or backstage, wherever. Wherever people want us. Yeah. Sarah, thank you. Thank you. And we'll see you from afar, but not actually that far, because we'll be close up at the Hollywood Bowl. That's right. So just...
We'll be screaming for you. Yes. Well, come say hi. Come say hi after. Oh my gosh. Everyone heard that, right? Yeah. Everyone heard that she asked us to do that, right? We would love to come say hi. Oh my gosh. We'd love that. Oh, we'd love. And Rami's, if you're listening, you can follow us on Instagram and Tik TOK at right answers. Mostly that's where that little affair viral Tik TOK when Sarah, where can people follow you?
Sarah McLaughlin.com. I think. Great. Official, official Sarah McLaughlin on Instagram. And I've got an official YouTube channel as well. Yeah. There's look at me on social media, social media. You're working it, Sarah. You're working it. And thank you guys so much for listening. Thank you guys. And Sarah, we'll see you in a little over a month then. Woo.
Okay, right on. Thank you. Thanks. Bye. Take care. Bye.