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Welcome back to Write Answers Mostly, a podcast on what you didn't learn in history class, but you really wanted to. My name is Tess Belomo. And my name is Claire Donald. And we're giving you kids what you wanted. Tess is doing her goddamn best today, guys. So you better appreciate this. This woman shows up to work. You know, we're a little

sick, but it's not COVID. Yeah, it's not COVID. But it's something. You are in the depths of it. I feel like I'm making my way out still. I know you actually sound a little congested. I know my Uber driver at one point went, sweetheart, are you okay? And because I kept coughing because this

goddamn cough I swear to God and then I was like you got your x-rays you know that it's okay I got a chest x-ray and she literally asked if I was okay and I was like I'm fine please just drive because these streets out here they be crowded these streets be crowded these summer illnesses are I feel like we both get summer illnesses a lot I was looking at my time hop every single week this week

July for you. First week of July, I'm always sick. It's always on Allison's birthday. I'm so sorry, Allison. Happy birthday, Allison. Happy birthday, but it's always during her birthday. It's after 4th of July. I think it's like cancer season. Cancer season's been like rocky this year, y'all. It's been rocky. Like she would be, you know? Cancer season I have a complicated relationship with. It doesn't always make... Don't we all? It's not good for me, I don't think.

No, I know. I think we need to get you into Leo season. Just like, hold on. You know I love Leo season. The fire is so close. Oh, it's so close. I'm just like, I'm shaking. I know. I'm sweating and I'm shaking. You guys, she's on Sudafed also. I was like, God, I should have done some poppers or something to match your level. But you know that you're sick when Sudafed doesn't really give you energy. Oh, honey. It just makes me feel like weird. I know.

Okay, well, this is perfect for today, honestly. I wanted to be sick for this because that's how much I commit to the craft. She's method, y'all. A method. She licked the sidewalks before she started researching. Exactly. I had to because how else can you understand what this goddamn plague was? I can't wait, honestly.

But before we get started, how are you? Oh, I'm good. I'm excited. Guys, we have those new pictures rolling out. The pictures look good. It's so good. We saw mock-ups, our first mock-ups of the new cover photo, so that will be coming soon. Yes, thank you to our graphic designer, Harriet. Thank you so much, as always. She's British and she's chic. We need these women around us. We do. I'm trying to think if there's any... Oh, my God. Okay, so not to, like...

because premium members you guys know what's coming up but um I watched the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader doc and one day I was so hungover and I was like this is the time it what other time could there be I'm just like Claire you have to learn the dance you have to teach me I've been doing high kicks in my apartment I also did a high kick today and I'm actually pretty impressed with my

Tess with my high kick. Tess, I believe it. Like those legs go on for days. It's just from the ice skating days. So of course, of course, if you guys didn't know, Tess was a figure skater. Oh yes, I was. Listen to our, uh, I don't stop talking about it in that episode. And nor should you, but I feel like you should do the full thing with like,

On the ground, the slap. I want to learn. The thing that I'm scared about, because I was doing high kicks in the mirror. Of course. Rex, the dog I was dog sitting, was like, wow, you go, sister. But I was doing the high kicks. And then I was like, God, the split jump, though? That's scary shit. Did you record yourself doing the high kick? No, but I will. I want you to. I want you to put it on TikTok. Oh, OK. Because it's trending on TikTok. High kicks? Yes, and I feel like you could take us there. I love that. I love, like, the girlies are shining right now, and I love that. Well, I feel like the girlies are like...

God damn. Like I feel for them. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like amazing athletes. And I think the documentary just showed like.

I just feel for women. Same. It's like, why can't it just be a good thing? You know? Why can't we just enjoy ourselves? You know? There's just so much, so much darkness to it. Well, I'll tell you. The patriarchy. The patriarchy doesn't benefit anyone. No, it really doesn't. And this episode isn't about the patriarchy, but I guess we could relate it back to the patriarchy. I mean, we can always, like, shit on the patriarchy if we want. But so that's how I'm doing. I'm doing DCC. That's how I'm doing, baby. Oh, and we love that. How are you doing? You know, what is there to say anymore?

I've been watching, the best part of being sick has been watching season seven of Real Housewives of New York. Yes. What are we doing? Oh, of course. I mean. It's Dorinda's first season where she starts to like, people are like, oh, you turn when you're drinking. Done.

Does she turn? Remember when she gets mad at Heather for saying fuck? And she's like, my mother would never say that. And fuck you for saying that. Meanwhile, Dorinda has the dirtiest mouth, like, ever. And is, like, the most cruel woman. I forgot about that scene. I was like, this season just keeps giving. This wasn't... No, no, no, no. That's later on where she's like, let me tell you something. Oh. If you're a prostitute, you can come into my house. Oh.

She has the cocaine smile. That's when they're in Cartagena. I mean, that, what a gift. What a gift. So I know that we always tell you guys if you haven't started Bravo to start at Beverly Hills and completely. But I do think your next move should be New York.

I almost regret that I said a long time ago like Beverly Hills was my one true love and you always were like no it's New York and I get it this rewatch I get it there's just nothing like those women no and their friendship and their sisterhood and they're like they're um I don't even know what the word to say is without being offensive but like they are batshit crazy exactly I'm um also doing a rewatch but going much slower and good for you because I've had nothing but

Nothing but time, really. She's still been busy, guys, even when she's sick. It's been a lot of bedtime. Well, you need it. I know. I think tomorrow I'm going to wake up better. I think so, too. Also, don't push it. I know. I know. Stop acting like a Virgo. It's not a good look for anyone. No. Kunal told me, he's like, I'm going to scold you if you start doing things. And he's like, I'm going to use my aggressive voice. Oh, wow.

And he's usually very gentle with me. Of course. And so he was like, stop it. No. And I felt like a child. I was like, actually, this does work. You needed it. I'm going to stop doing the dishes. I'm... Oh. Come on. But you know, you just want to help out. Then you feel like you're like a lazy piece of shit. It's like you don't want to... You want to all of a sudden do it when you're sick. And when you're not sick, you're like, God, I wish I could be sick and lay in bed all day. No. You always want to get out. Yeah, just lay in bed. You don't want to be sick. Well, Claire, you know who was laying in bed? Oh, I...

Flawless transition. I was like, I have to at least get a good transition today. Guys, she is shining. She's shining. Took all my energy. Who wasn't laying in bed? Or who was? Well, pretty much everyone in the world. God.

Pretty much everyone in the world. You guys have requested this since day one. Since day one. This is for all you kids that keep messaging us being like, we need like the history again. Oh, yeah. Which I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. Yeah. And like, I love you guys, but also like everything is history. Everything yesterday was history. Today is history. And tomorrow's a mystery. Wow. What?

Someone also, because I feel like when you guys message us and you're like, go back to history, it feels a little sassy, I will say. It feels like an attack. It does. And someone else the other day, because I think that we posted on our close friends list, if you join premium in our show notes, you get on our close friends list on Instagram outright answers mostly. I think someone was like, well, God, finally, we've only been suggesting this forever. Someone said that? Someone said something like that. And I was like, thank God I didn't see it. That's hurtful. Guys, it just...

stop saying that we do so much for you we try so hard when y'all are sassy with us so Tess and I are like that's our problem child we do say that about you but you know everyone has their favorite time in history totally so for you saying like this is history someone else might think that the early 2000s you know the Kim Kardashian sex tape someone like you

Like someone like me. Yeah. So we all, we're trying to do it for everyone. We are. But this is for you people that really, you Rammies, I won't be sassy back, that really just want this historical, like deep in, you know, the 13th century. Oh my God. The 13th century. So that's the 1200s. Or I guess the 14th century. Okay. I always get that mixed up. It's always one, but yeah. Exactly. Thank you. Oh God. Here we fucking go. You got this.

Claire, do you know about the Black Death? I know the scary bird mess. Uh-huh. And then I know, we kind of talked about it on our Halloween episode. We sure did. Rats. Uh-huh. And I think that's it. It killed a lot of people. Bubonic. Bubonic. Bubonic. Yeah. There's a lot of nasty stuff. Of course.

I'm actually surprised I didn't do this sooner because I was really into the Black Death. It was one of my OG Titanic and stuff.

Salem Witch Trials. I used to be really into it because I saw my brother in a play about it that was like immersive theater. It wasn't this like you're a history teacher that y'all had that made you do theater? Yes. You know, that's not RAM coded. I mean, truly. It was called The Reenactment. So it was different than the theater department at my high school. But it was like they would change, like they would like completely decorate and like set rooms and like you'd walk through it. And it felt like you were in it. So they did one for The Plague. They did one for Anne Frank. Okay.

And they did one for the French Revolution. Okay, French Revolution and like the plague. Sure. I've never felt so traumatized after I did see the Anne Frank one. Our friend Alice was in it. She played Anne Frank's mother, I believe. Or was that you, Molly? Or no.

Alice played Anne Frank's sister. Molly played her mom. Oh, my God. It's all for the girls. And these things were so intense. You were right up in the action. The Black Death one, it was like a room with like... It was like a haunted house. And my brother played a doctor who was refusing to give medicine to one of the children. Stop. And she was crying, begging him. And he was like, no, no. And I went home and I sobbed for days. I think I was in fifth grade when I saw this. And one of his peers that played the little girl crying. And you were just in it. And it felt like...

Like, I can't explain how intense they were. And the history teacher was like, more. But truly. He was like, I'm just going to do the most traumatic things in history. That is crazy. These were 14-year-olds. Very triggering and not okay. Not okay. Not okay. Yeah. I think the people that did them in high school have a complicated relationship with it looking back. Yeah.

So you never did it? No, I wasn't in this person's history class. Oh, well. When I was always sad, I was like, God damn it. Everyone else got to experience it. I mean, because I wanted the drama. Of course. Of course. Like, what else is it for? I mean, truly. So that was my first experience with it. And then I think when COVID happened, I was almost like, what's the, is there any romance in the Black Death anymore? Like, I'm not going to.

No fucking kidding. You know? Yeah. COVID really ruined it for all of us. Oh, you're drinking green tea. I thought like maybe green tea for the antioxidants. Yeah. And then I was just like, I can't. I don't know what to do. Bless your heart. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. No, it's okay. We're gonna, we're gonna,

have a great time, you guys. Yeah. It's been so fun. I love the Black Death. We love it. I'm wearing black in honor of the Black Death. Oh, that was good. I just got whatever. You're wearing black socks. Exactly. Yeah. There we go. And I'm going to keep it really OG Ramy because you know my sources today? Guess the two. Just guess. No. You are not about to say history.com and Wikipedia. Okay. No. Yes. Tess, okay. So I'm researching something right now that comes out next week and history.com is also one of my sources. Our mother. And I'm like, where have you been?

Where have you been? She gives us so much. And, like, again, like, I trust everything that she says. Same. But she's been absent. Well, and sometimes her articles are very short. Sometimes it ends after, like, a five-minute read, and you're like, is History.com scary mommy sometimes? Honestly, yes, because she gives so little, and we want more. It's toxic. She is toxic. She is toxic. She's like the – are you watching The Bear? Are you watching The Bear? Okay, so I just started season two, guys. I finally got through it. What episode? Um.

one. Okay. Because I started and then I opened TikTok and like, Lord knows. Give it time. Okay. Let it settle. I know. I'm scared. I'm scared. It's really good. Okay. But if you guys watch The Bear, maybe that, maybe jamieleecurtisishistory.com. She plays Scary Mommy. She's scary. Oh, she's the scariest mommy. Oh my God. I can't wait. I'll watch tonight after therapy. It's very intense. Oh, that will feel gorgeous. Okay. So yeah, we kept it in there because I tried to read a bunch, read, I tried to listen to a bunch of podcasts. Yeah.

If we could toot our own horn for a minute. Toot away, Tess. I was like, these podcasts are all so boring about the Black Death. And I'm like, where are the exciting girlies? And then I was like, you know where they are? Here. They're at Right Answers Mostly. They're at Ram. I know. I completely agree. You guys, please spread the word about Ram. Please. We just want more. We want more. And that's not too much to ask. No, it's not. So, Claire, I'm going to start out with a tune. Oh, please. A song. Mm-hmm. And then we're going to talk about it. Okay. Ring Around the Roses. Ring Around the Roses.

Pocket full of posies. Ashes. Ashes. We all fall down.

Stunning. That is not about the Black Death. Oh, it's not? And I found this out in research. It was one of the first things I wanted to say because my entire life I thought that this was written about the plague. What is it about? So it was actually written 700 years after the plague. And so people thought that the rosies were the red marks from the plague. The posies were the flowers that plague doctors used to lessen the stench of death all around. And the ashes were supposed to represent the cremated bodies.

And people are like, the origins seem to be some song in Germany in the late 18th century or Switzerland or Italy. So it has nothing to do with the plague.

Oh, well, that does make me feel better, I guess, like being a little kid and singing. But I just always thought I was like, I'm gonna start with a fun fact. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna start with a debunking theory. We love that at Ram. We have to. But no, I think everyone remembers exactly where they were when they were a little kid and they were singing that. And someone all of a sudden was like, you know what that's about? And then you pretend to fall dead. And, you know, yeah, it was the whole thing.

Okay, so with that, what was the plague, Claire? What was it? The Black Death was a devastating global epidemic, a bubonic plague that struck Europe and Asia in the mid-1300s. The plague arrived in Europe in October 1347 when 12 ships from the Black Sea docked at the Sicilian port of Messina. And do you know what they found on those ships? Rats. Dead sailors. Oh, yeah.

And probably a bunch of rats because this is a disgusting time. Definitely. Dead sailors. So they literally were like, yoo-hoo, and they go into the boats and they're like, so weird, like no one's answering us. And then they just saw that like everyone had died. How did they dock the boat? I think the currents took them.

Like, and not sure, like they probably all didn't die at the same time, but I think they were going like one by one by one trying to get to the port. And then as they washed up on shore. Oh, I just can't imagine like the lights were on, but nobody was home. Nobody was home. Also like what a terrible way to go. Even just being at sea at that time anyways, like, no, thank you.

Sea sick? No. With the plague. I'd just jump overboard at that point. And scurvy, probably. And scurvy. Yeah. Which is not enough fruit. I think it's not enough vitamin C, which you can get from fruit. Right. We talked about this before and I still don't know. But I think your eyes bleed and stuff. Didn't you say that beer helps with scurvy? That, I think, was like an old... No, but I think you were right. Oh, yeah. Because we looked it up because it has some yeast. Yeast. Yeast. Let us know if you're a...

Of a scurvy expert. A scurvy expert. A beer expert. Yeah. Okay. So what did they see when these sailors – what was the first thing that they were like, this is not good? Besides death. Besides death. They had black boils all over their bodies that oozed of blood and pus.

I can see why this research process was hard for you. It was difficult. I'm not going to lie, especially with the rat component. Everything was very... I'm excited for my next subject, but I'm also excited to be doing this now because we're going to make it black boils. We're going to talk about more of the symptoms. How did this thing even start? There were rumors. Okay. There were rumors.

There were rumors, and I put the rumors and nastiness about the Black Boyles. About the Black Boyles. They were like, we're hearing something, but, like, that's never going to affect us. You see, much like COVID, you know, just a lot of, like, that's them, and we're over here, and we're safe, and that's not really the case. No.

So people were hearing about a great pestilence is also what they called it. Isn't that also from a Taylor lyric? Oh. Pestilence. Or is that a teenage? Oh. Petulance. Sorry. Petulance. You can see how I would mistake it too. But she's probably sung about pestilence as well. What is pestilence? Pestilence is like an illness. Oh, probably. And something else that they called the Black Death. So we have Black Death, Plague, Pestilence. I kind of like saying...

I think I like seeing the Black Death. Perfect. So there were rumors that there was this illness that was carving a deadly path across the trade routes of the Near and Far East. And the disease they knew had already struck China, India, Persia, Syria, and Egypt. Wow. But they were like, how did this thing even start? Like, where did it originate? And they thought, and also mind you, there's a lot of information about the plague. There's a lot of like...

range of numbers and percentages because there's like the information they weren't really like they couldn't track it like how we know exactly like how many people have pretty much died of COVID like this was a long time ago yeah so there's there's a lot of still like unanswered questions but they thought it originated in Asia over 2,000 years before they even saw it come to Europe by trading ships

And some researchers think it existed as early as 3000 BC. It's crazy that it took them that long to get over there and then once it was there. Well, think about just how long in general. People used to not go on vacation to other continents and stuff. I mean, God, they probably wanted to. But there was just not a lot of options. And so what were the exact symptoms of this disgusting thing that we were starting to figure out about?

Swelling under the armpits or the groin. Oh. Like where your – wait, are there lymph nodes in your groin? Yes, there are. You can actually – if you touch your groin right now, you can feel two lymph nodes that feel like little balls on each side.

Not like balls, like testicles. Not testicles, but they feel like little beans. In your groins? Mm-hmm. Just make sure you're in the right place to be doing that. You know what I mean? That's for private time. Yeah, that's for alone time. Exactly. So there was swelling under the armpits and the groin. These swells could be as big as an apple. No.

No. Which were called plague boils. No. Yeah. That's disgusting. And painful. Oh, yeah. They were probably like sore too, right? Well, then, Claire, blood and pus would swell, sweat out. This said sweat out of the swellings, which I'm like, we don't need to say that. But we did. But we did. But now we said it. But now we said it. And then it was accompanied by fever, chills, vomiting, diarrhea, aches, pains.

And then death. Also, like, just a reminder that they didn't have toilets. It's so stinky. They didn't have a lot of things to help them with what was about to happen. Oh, God. So, like you said, she's a doctor, the plague would attack the lymphatic system and the lymph nodes would swell and then that infection would spread to the blood, to your blood and lungs and...

then it just kind of takes over your entire body because your lymph nodes are like what keeps you healthy, right? I think so because I'm always checking underneath my chin. Like even now my lymph nodes have like really been hanging around. Yeah, yeah. I think that's like what keeps like your immunity strong. I think so too. And so when they're swollen, it's like, ooh. Oh, yeah. I mean it's like first thing you feel when you have something wrong or like when a doctor checks you, it's like they just feel around your body. So imagine just having like an apple-sized swell in your throat or in your groin. So it was really bad. Yeah.

And people were like, Jesus Christ. It's all on theme. I'm like, my back is drenched in sweat. We're disgusting monsters. And people were like, how is this spreading and why is it spreading? So at the time they were like, it seems like the mere touching of clothes or even like touching another person could affect people. Just like touching once. Just touching once. Yeah.

And we'll get into – Well, they also didn't have like method hand soap and stuff. Exactly. Or what's Kris Jenner's line? Safely. Safely. Thank you for taking it there. Of course. We're just trying to bring it back to – Yeah, of course, our Kris Jenner episode. Exactly. So they were just like, wow, people that were perfectly healthy would go to bed one night and then just wake up dead essentially. Yeah.

I just think about like with this time, they just did not know anything. They didn't know anything. And they were just living. And they were just like pooping on the street. And like, I know I should have done like a trigger warning that this episode is just full of. Come on, you like have to know. You wanted this kids. Yeah, you wanted this. So speaking of disgusting, let's paint a little picture of the environment by the early 14th century. Like what do you think it looked like in Europe?

Well, some cities in France and Italy were naming streets after human waste. No. In medieval... It's like duty lane. Sorry. Duty lane. Shit street. Yeah.

Schitt's Creek. Schitt's Creek. Wow. In medieval Paris, several street names were inspired by merde. Is it merde, you French people? The French word for shit. Stop. Pigs, cattles, chickens, geese, goats, and horses roamed the streets of medieval London and Paris.

And those animals were also getting sick. I know. No. I know. It's really sad. Leave them out of it. No, they were. Because they have no idea. They were going fast. I know. It's really sad.

It's always the animals that get you every time. Yeah, the people you're like, whatever. No, like I was watching Game of Thrones with Molly and Drew on Sunday. What? Well, they watch every Sunday. And so I was like, I'll just, I was like on my phone, but I was like, you guys like. I'm just like shook. Well, I know, but this happens to me like once every three years where I watch an episode with someone that they're like really excited about. Maybe you should start the original Game of Thrones. I don't think it's for me. Yeah. I mean, that's why I'm so shocked, guys, that she just said that. You know, I wanted to be supportive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And.

And the – or should I not say actually in case it gives something away? I'm not watching this one. There was an animal that dies. Oh. And literally I was like – Oh, you literally said it. The dragon? Yeah. One of the dragon dies or there's a dragon dead somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was just like distraught. I was like I don't care about any of these people but there is just something about like – Even like a CGI dragon. I know. Like it will pull at your heartstrings. In a time period that I do not care for. I know. And that still just killed me.

So everyone is going fast. And obviously, modern science and medicine, we're like, well, duh. It's like you need to quarantine. You need to stay away. You need to disinfect. You need to wear masks, all this stuff. But germs, like the idea of what a germ was, was not discovered at this time, Claire. God. Do you know that the germ was really not discovered until 1890? That's crazy.

But I guess also kind of makes sense. You know, I'm just like. No, I know. But like, God, what a long life to lead. Well, and like, no wonder people died so young, like from illness, like the common cold used to kill people. Exactly. So I thought that this was interesting. Researchers from multiple countries headed to Asia in the late 19th century to study the plague.

Because at that time, they're like, well, like, we're probably safe from it for a while, but like, let's figure it out. And so in 1894, Japanese bacteriologist Kira Sato Shibasaburo traveled to India. I'm so sorry, I butchered that. And succeeded in identifying the bacterium.

But a French bacteriologist gets credit for it. But I'm always like, of course the white man does. And this guy, French-Swiss bacteriologist Alexandre Yersin also discovered it. And we just want to give credit to both of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. But these men, like they're the ones that did it in almost 1900. Well, thank you for your service. And also like what a job. I mean, wow.

Not something that I would grow up being like, this is what I want. Absolutely not. But thank God. Okay. And so this is what they discovered many, many moons later. They were like, okay.

Seems like rats are involved with this. Which, like, Jesus Christ. So Tess really hates rats. I hate. I mean, like, it's like how some people feel about spiders. Like, just, like, looking at them is, like, disgusting to me. And I'm sorry to, like, keep questioning you. But, like, I just want to ask one more time. Do you think if the tails were different? No. Okay. If they had a squirrel tail? I mean, she hates squirrels, too. I don't like little beady eyes and little...

Little hands. I don't like it. I didn't realize. So I always knew that Tess didn't like rats, but I didn't realize how bad because our friend Allison had, I think, 10 rats growing up. I can't believe it. I'll never forgive her for it. So for her birthday, I was going to order a rat banner and I accidentally sent it just to Tess. I was like, that felt targeted. I'm sorry. And she was like, please do not order it. I was like, please, for the love of God. And then I was like, I can turn away from it. No, you can't. No, because you put it in perspective. If it was a...

thing of holes, I would be really upset. They really terrify me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, possums, all of that. Disgusting. Disgusting. She's not a rodent, girly. Raccoons, you know how it is. I'm sorry. And all my friends have a group chat about it without me. But that's for another time. That's for premium. That is for premium where I'm going to talk about my feelings. Yep. I'm happy you guys have that. Okay. So this is how they discovered that rats were involved. They were like, the disease bypassed some areas with rats that were...

captured alive and on the rats that had just died, the fleas were thicker than they had ever seen them.

I can't believe we're doing this episode. Truly. So they were like, we have to assume there must be something between a dead rat and a human. And the inner intermediary might be the flea. So the flea is the one that is making this shit happen. So it's actually the fleas, not the rats. Yeah, the fleas were like living on the rats. And then the fleas were like in human area, you know. Well, right. And then the rats are also like hanging out with humans. They're everywhere. Yeah, they're everywhere. There's no safety. Yeah.

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Now we know a little bit. Okay. Germs. And then we also know these damn fleas and rats weren't helping anything. And that's how it made its way from one European port city after another. So they were bopping around. The fleas were flying around. And they're also probably going on the ships. They're everywhere on the ships. I just got the chills. No, I know. So doctors are very like, this is incomprehensible. They were like, we're just like not really understanding this. According to one doctor, it's,

He said instantaneous death occurs when the aerial spirit escaping from the eyes of the sick man strikes the healthy person standing near and looking at the sick. So ghosts. So we have ghosts at first. Doctors are like. It's ghosts. Like ghosts spread diseases. Exactly. Which, you know, you see like in every pandemic of just at first being like, what is this? It's like you could relate it to like us washing our groceries when we got home, you know, which now it's like.

Honey, that was such a waste of time, but we didn't know. I'm like, you have to do your best. No, you have to. And you just have to do what you can to stay healthy. It is like shocking though, because sometimes I'll go and search my phone on a date for pictures and then like 2020 will pop up and it's like you're outside like by yourself wearing a mask. You're in a dressing room wearing a mask. I know. Like it was, but you should have. But you know what's also crazy is that like, but we didn't wear masks at the beginning. Yeah.

When did we start wearing masks? Oh, God. And then all the homemade masks. I think it took a couple months to be like, oh, you should wear a mask. Because at first they were like, save the masks for doctors. Oh, my God.

like America. Come on. Well, there were just so many things that were mishandled by people in charge. Exactly. And let's make sure that doesn't happen again. Am I right? Well, this is why we're learning all about this, you know, to, well, it did repeat itself, but that's because Trump didn't make anything better. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Jesus Christ. Um, so doctors are confused. Um, thank God for vaccines because they definitely weren't doing that back in this day. These are the techniques that they were like, let's see what can save people.

If you don't like blood, skip over this part. Literally, I knew you were about to say it. Bloodletting? Yes. So one of my favorite books is this book called Fever 1793. It's about yellow fever. Oh. I love it. Haley, you know, you're listening. Haley Heidemann. Oh. Sorry, did I just say it? Whatever. She's our literary agent. Yeah, that's right. If you don't know, one day we have a book coming. But it's so good. But yeah, they would just bleed people out in buckets. Yes.

Well, yeah, that was like to be like, okay, if you let go of all your blood, then we're going to let go of the disease itself. But then like what happens at this point? Like people just die from that. Yeah. Also boil lancine. What? What is it? So I think they would take the boils and like put like heat on them.

And try to like pop them. I feel like pimple popper people would love that. Yeah, you guys, yeah, don't get on that side, TikTok. No, no, no. Royal Lansing. No, thank you. Really like traumatic things to the body. And most people do not survive from doing this. Like, yeah, let's cut you open. Let all your blood spill out. Imagine already feeling sick and then having to. You're just going to pass out. Yeah. I mean, you're going to die. There was some more like hippie shit. And this is from my mom. I thought of her. There was burning aromatic herbs.

There was bathing in rose water and vinegar. Sounds lovelier. Yeah, vinegar though, bathing in vinegar. Vinegar would be tough. Ouchie. Especially on your boils. Especially in your bathing suit area. Well, yeah. I mean, you can't throw off that pH balance like that. No. Ladies, am I right? No, ladies, ladies, keep that clean. Let it do its own work. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then...

okay there was some smart thinking there was like what if we do some isolation okay which we love isolation thank god that they knew at least this so healthy people started avoiding the sick but the problem was that it was just so scary and like so like out of everyone's control that doctors refused to see most patients like they were like i'm staying out of this so it's not like everyone was rushing to a hospital and like people were being cured there like doctors were like

Truly fleeing the city so people would not follow them and try to get help from them. Did they even have hospitals back then? They probably had like... A doctor's office or something. Yeah. That's actually a good question. I'm like, where did... History of hospitals. Because doctors would come to you, right? Yeah. But probably only for people that were rich. That's so true. Fuck. I'm so... Think about private medicine now. We could have been born at any time. And thank God, honestly, it was now. Thank God.

God. Yeah. Truly. So like we said, oh, this is really sad. I put justice for sheep. So many sheep died that it started the European wool shortage. Because they were getting sick. Because they were getting sick. I know. Poor thing. Okay.

This is okay. This answers the question about a little bit of the hospitals. So with isolation, they were also like, how about something like more intense called quarantine? We'll call it that for now. So while there was no understanding of the germ theory at this time, people did sense that the black death could be transferred from one person to another. Officials imposed health regulations aimed at containing the disease. Plague doctors visited communities and told, um,

ill families to stay in their homes or go to plague hospitals. Okay, so the hospital was like a term in the... Hospital was a term. God, they probably had to burn that building down after. I mean, and so I think that's where the scary masks come from, like doctors that were willing to go in there, but it's not a pretty sight. I hate those masks.

So much. I know. I mean, they just look so scary. So scary. And this is interesting. So ships were prohibited from disembarking sailors for 30 days after arrival in ports because they were like, what happened at that first – that was a sight to see and that was really scary. So they were like, keep the ships away because we think that that could be bringing illness like into our cities. So this was a method first used in Venice in 1347. Okay.

And this practice proved effective. They were like, wait a second. And the wait was eventually extended to 40 days for each newly arrived ship. Quarantine derives from the Italian quarantata and Latin quadragentina, both meaning 40. Oh. So 40 days. 40 days. Is that a movie, 40 Days and 40 Nights? 40 Nights. With Josh Hartnett trying not to have sex or something. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow.

Wow. Quarantine. So that is where quarantine actually comes from, the Black Death with the ships. That's crazy. It was like, keep them away. So 40 days is so intense. So did they have to stay on the ships for 40 days? Like they docked and then they stayed on the ships? Or the ships just couldn't come in? I think they just had to dock and stay in there because they still had to do the trades and get food and shit. That's over a month.

That sucks. Tinky. Tinky. Tinky. Okay. Oh, you're so tinky. You're so, so tinky. Quaranta. Sorry. That's how you say it in Italian. I was like, I can't fucking butcher this. But I don't know how to say it in Latin. But it's crazy. You don't? Sorry, guys. She's so silly. I was hanging on by a thread. You're doing great, Tess. You really are. That's so sweet. So, Claire, what do you think that people – why do you think that they suspect that the plague has happened to them?

Oh, being a slut or something, you know? Pretty much. Yeah. They believed that the big G-O-D had something to do with all of this happening to them. God's going to strike you down. Guilty as sin. Guilty as... Sing it. What if it's written right on the epithet only in my eyes? That was all of them during the play. Literally. They were like, fuck, we have sinned.

And this is our karma. Karma is my boyfriend. Sorry. Stop, stop, stop. The rest of the episode. Literally. So most people believed that, yes, the Black Death was a kind of divine punishment. Retributions for sins against God, such as blasphemy...

What's blasphemy again? Also, I'm going to try not to spiral about singing Guilty of Sin that long. Oh, you guys, sorry. But I think they like it when we sing. You guys like it, right? Right? It's cute. It is sweet. Yeah. Because we're also not like singers. We're not like trying to like harmonize. Oh, yeah. No. That's when it becomes like intense. Definitely. When people are like saying and then they like look at you being like, say that I'm good. Like, wow, you have a good voice. It's like, that's never going to happen to us. No. We're safe. No, no, no, no, no. Blasphemy. Blasphemy. That's blasphemous. Isn't that like...

You're lying? Yeah, it's like saying something that's crazy. That's blasphemous. Yeah, look it up. Yeah, look it up while you keep talking about why else people got the vibe. Fornication. Sex. Sex. And worldliness. What's, like, knowing too much? Yes. Like, what?

Like women? I mean, think about what that probably means. It's probably like people that are asking questions. What are other practices and religions in other parts of the world? You're too curious. You're too cultured. Stay close to your God that you know. All of that bullshit. Okay, so blasphemy is the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things. Oh, that's right. Okay, so it's not your line. We definitely would have got the plague if this was all true. Oh, I mean, check, check, and check. Check, check, check, babe. This is ram-coded, all of those sins, actually. Okay.

So people were like, okay, then what should we do if this is literally why we're getting it? I think we should purge our communities of people that are doing these things. Oh, God.

And troublemakers. That's what they said. And this is very upsetting, and I did not know this. So unfortunately, what this meant was many thousands of Jewish people were massacred in 1348 and 1349. I had no idea about that. I had no idea either. Like thousands and thousands of Jewish people, and then they fled to Eastern Europe to get safety. God.

I know. Really? Mm-hmm. That's awful. Awful. I mean, there was so much anti-Semitism even then. Like, it's very upsetting. Yeah. And there was just so much tension and, like, neighbors with finger pointing, much like what we saw during COVID of, like, oh, looks like you were hanging out with someone, but you weren't wearing a mask. That shit was happening then of, like, I saw you talking to someone. Why were you standing so close? God. And you know those times where you did hang out with someone and you're like, I just pushed it? Yeah.

I mean. And the guilt spiral. Remember like, oh my God, the guilt spiral. I mean, even your birthday when it was three of us who had been like social distancing from people. Like you have a guilt spiral. Everyone else came over and they just did like we saw them from the balcony and they did like a car parade thing. The car parade triggering. And I had Claire and Allison come over for my birthday because I was alone. And yeah, we felt like.

It's crazy. We felt judged. It was like such a weird birthday to be like, should I even be? But we did watch Titanic. Yeah, of course. And that was nice. And we did end up hungover. So classic. We did. So there's just so much tension. And then, of course, the theater kids come in to the equation. What are they doing? So the theater kids are like, okay.

We have to do something like perform to show God that we care about ourselves and that we actually want to punish ourselves so that God will see it and be like, okay, you did that like out in the streets. Like I'm proud of you. The more things change, the more they say. So Claire, upper class men would perform in public displays of penance and punishment. You know what this meant?

Like whipping each other? They would beat themselves with metal while the townspeople looked on. Many men did this for 33 days in a row and some would travel from city to city to like perform. Wait, why again? Because they were like, I hate myself for doing all these sins. Like God, look at me. And like, I can be saved if you see that I'm guilty and I'm sorry. Guilty as sin. Guilty as sin. What if it's written on my upper thigh? They were like burning their upper thighs. They were like marking them.

And so then they wouldn't get the plague. Exactly. God. And it's funny that like rich theater kids were doing this. Like they probably were like the safest out of everyone too. They weren't like living in closed quarters. Like, I mean, let's be honest. People that were poor were getting the short end of the stick. No, they're getting wiped out. To say the least. Like they were all in closed quarters and didn't have money for medicine or to see doctors. Which like again was how it was in COVID. It's just we see it time and time again. Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah, the theater people were going on, but then at some point they were like,

Taylor Armstrong enough because also like you are like gathering and then people are coming to see this. Oh my god you're making it worse. But this is like exactly it where it's like no one asked you to do this. No and you are literally killing more people. Oh my god. Once again theater kids like you need to work it out yourself. And like but not this way. Before killing other people. Yeah. It's like Patty Hearst. It is. Jesus Christ. Everything is so connected. I know and like you know that we love the theater kids but you guys like we want better. We want better. For you for ourselves. Exactly. Exactly.

So let's talk about the death of it all. So the overwhelming number of deceased bodies produced by the Black Death caused the necessity of mass burial sites in Europe, sometimes including up to several hundred or several thousand skeletons. And archaeologists have now like

I mean, they continue to interpret it and see what it means so they can define the biological, sociological, historical, and all the implications of the Black Death that happened because of the Black Death, which we're going to talk about because it affected so many other things. It's a domino effect that like...

Fuck some shit up. So in 1348, the disease spread so rapidly that nearly a third of the European population perished before any physicians or government authorities had time to reflect upon its origins. And this is where you'll see numbers get a little crazy. They think that it wiped out. It could be 16% of Europe's population. One-sixth. One-sixth or 44%.

That's like a huge difference. It's a huge difference. But they're not exactly sure. It could be anywhere. I mean, some sources say 25 million people died. Other sources say 200 million people died. Okay, but even 25 million people, think about how many people there were back then. There were not that many people. So the population back then was about 450 million. That's crazy. And like when you look at COVID, for example...

I think 0.008% of people died and we have 7.8 million people.

So like this was in not to dismiss COVID. But you know what I mean? Like just trying to look at it at like this scale that you're just like, holy shit, like everyone's dying. It was literally like a wildfire. It was a wildfire with like no end in sight. Oh my God. It's just so awful. Excuse me. Half of Paris's population of 100,000 people died. Half of Paris's population? Half of Paris's population. It's like how do the people make it out alive even? I think like

It was the people who were probably like, I'm really going to. I think there, I mean, there was lots of people that like ran to like escape it, which like, I don't really know how that works. Cause like everywhere was being hit by it. But like, I think just like luck. And also I think you like would go to the countryside and also probably younger, healthier people, like totally older people, not children. Yeah. Yeah.

The population of Florence was reduced from 120,000 people to 50,000 people in 1351. At least 60% of the population of Hamburg perished. Similar percentage of Londoners may have died from the disease as well.

Leaving the death toll of approximately 60,000. It's also crazy. In just London. Because, like, you have that going on in your town, but you don't have, like, live news. You don't have social media. So you'd have to, like, send stuff. And you're also like, is this happening to anywhere? Like, do people know about this? Exactly. Are people experiencing it? How do we stop it? My God. It's too overwhelming. When did, like, mail start? They were sending letters back then. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. But like how long would it take? A long time. Like weeks? Months? I guess it depends on where you're sending your letter. I guess by boat. And if the boats are like stopped for quarantine. Oh, I didn't even think about like sending a letter like that far. Right. Fuck. Well, what are you supposed to do? I guess you're just like, we're all in it.

Like every person for themselves. Was it a time of year, do you know? Or is it like all year that people were getting sick? All year. It didn't even like fluctuate. It was just like bam, bam, bam. I feel like I remember people being like the summer –

Well, thinking two different things. Like the summer, the heat will kill the germs and then – or they didn't even know what germs was. And then like the frost will freeze it. Right. Or like people are more sick in cold weather. So is that even better because you're like suffering and at this point it's not like people have like heat in their house. But then when it's hot, you don't have AC. That's what's like –

It is just so awful. I think I would rather be sick in the cold and just like get all the blankets that you could. I know. Then like the heat. There's no relief. You don't even have ice. What was the relief? I think someone just fanning you. I think fanning, maybe like cold or hot baths, depending on what felt good. But how do they make baths cold? Oh my God. You're so right. There's not like an ice bath. That's what I'm saying. Like a cold plunge. That's what I'm saying. You would have to get it from like the creek.

I know. I prefer, I'm going to choose cold. Maybe if you put it in metal, like if you put it in like a metal bath. Yeah. Huh. So everyone's dying. Yeah, right. It's not good. So, okay, let's just get a little quote, okay, of what people said that this was really like. There was an Italian chronicler, chronicler, Angolo di Turra.

recorded his experience from Siena when the plague arrived in May 1348. He says,

Members of a household brought their dead to a ditch as best as they could without a priest, without divine offices. Great pits were dug and piled deep with a multitude of dead, and they died by the hundreds, both day and night.

And as soon as those ditches were filled with more mud, and I, Angolo di Torre, buried my five children with my own hands. No. And there were also those who were so sparsely covered with earth that the dogs dragged them forth and devoured many, many bodies throughout the city. No.

There was no one who wept for any death, for all awaited death. And so many died that all believed it was the end of the world. A hundred percent. Of course you would. You're just like, yeah, what, like, you can't really see the end in sight. There's no light, you know. That is so dark. Poor Angolo. Poor Angolo. His five kids. Also, like, the dog stuff. I can't.

I can't go there. Not today. Not today. Not today. It's also sad because like back then you thought like if you died and you didn't have like a priest like bless you and so you're just like all my family is going to hell. No, I know. And like not even having like a memorial, you know, like it's all stuff that like you just don't have time to grieve and then you yourself probably have a few days left after you just bury your kids. Like the whole thing is just like so stressful. Yeah.

So, like I mentioned before, there were a lot of effects, like economically, environmentally, socially, that came from the Black Death. So let's talk what happened economically. What do you think? Like, no one's working. Yeah.

Not well. Not well, bitch. The economy is not well, bitch. So what happened with the Black Plague, like other outbreaks throughout history, disproportionately affected the poorest people and those already in worse physical condition than the wealthier citizens, like we have guessed. But along with population decline from the pandemic, wages soared in response to labor shortage.

Meaning like we don't have as many people to work. There was less people alive. Yeah. So that everything became like it was more expensive to pay them, which meant that it was more expensive for like goods and like. Everything just goes up. So everything just goes up and people are like, well, cool. Like I've been fighting for my life and now it's so expensive to like buy anything. So many laborers, artisans and craftsmen, those living from money wages alone, suffered a reduction in real incomes because

owing to rampant inflation. Landowners were also pushed to substitute monetary rents for labor services in an effort to keep tenants. So the poor is getting fucked over and the rich people, I mean, I guess they're not like...

It's not great for them, but. But they've got more cushion. They've got more cushion. Also, like so much work was like such physical labor back then. Oh my God. And then if you're like kind of sick. Truly. Environmentally, a study performed by Thomas Van Hoof at the Utrecht University suggests that innumerable deaths brought on by the Black Death cooled the climate so much

by freeing up land and triggering reforestation that this led to the little ice age. Oh my gosh. I see. I thought you were going to say, well, I mean, an ice age isn't good, right? No, because so there's less carbon dioxide because there's like less people out and about and less trees and like

So I'm also, yeah. And then I'm like, but does all the dead bodies going into the ground like affect it? That's a great question. And also like the dead animals, like that must emit something. Like all this dead stuff must emit something. I think it's just worse for like carbon dioxide, right? You could say anything. We need plants. Yeah. And...

We just need plants. We need plants. And so the Little Ice Age was like right before the Big Ice Age and everything was just like frozen over. I thought the Big Ice Age was like – oh, wait. No, you're right. That was like when humans weren't around. Like I think that was like a long – If I've learned anything from the animated movie, I think it was a long time ago. Oh, God. That sloth. Sid. Sid.

Of course. Sid's a gay icon, though. Is he not? Sid is a gay icon. 100%. What an angel. Do I need to watch Ice Age tonight? I think so. Should I get really high? I think so, too. It will be healing. It will be healing. For all of us that are suffering from the Black Plague ourselves. I'm like, I can use Little Ice Age in this room right now. Yeah, no kidding. So yeah, Little Ice Age was way later, but everything froze over. Little Ice Age as in L-I-L Ice Age. Lil Ice Age. That's the Little Ice Age rapper name. Yeah.

Oh, God. We're coming undone. Okay. My nasty ass cough, by the way, as I'm laughing. It's like a- You're in character. Yeah, of course. You're in character. This is interesting. So socially, one theory that has been advanced is that the Black Death's devastation of Florence, Italy, between 1348 and 1350 resulted in a shift in the world view of people in 14th century Italy. I'm just thinking about it again. I'm just like, okay, I want to get it together. It's so funny.

Okay, go on. I'm sorry. Say it again, Tess. So Florence, Italy, between 1348 and 1350, resulted in a shift of the worldview of people in the 14th century Italy that ultimately led to the Renaissance. Okay, well, the Renaissance was great. The Renaissance was like so chic. The Renaissance was honestly the chicest. The Renaissance could get it.

Honestly, Homeboy could get a Bella Hadid about Renaissance. Exactly. Because Italy was particularly badly hit by the pandemic, and the resulting familiarity with death may have caused thinkers to dwell more on their own lives on Earth rather than on spirituality and the afterlife. So people are like, shit, is there more to this life? I'll be damned. No, but for real, because it's like the best songs come out of heartbreak and stuff, you know? Wow, it's so true. Do you think you can write a good song if you're not heartbroken?

I actually like love a good happy love song too. Same. This is like kind of the thing about like when people critique Taylor for only writing love songs. Like what else are we writing about? What else are we doing? Yeah. Like. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. So these things did. And then like we talked about before like you know anti-Semitism and racism like things that just like socially were not great. I mean nothing. I'm not

I'm not seeing anything great come out of this except for the Renaissance. Wow. And that Renaissance did really like spearhead a lot of things. Yeah. But other than that, not great. I also saw something about like it caused like ethnic, like there's no diversity in just because there was like so much like less people in the UK that like still to today, there's like so many white people. That's crazy that we feel the... So we feel the effects of it today? Well...

Glad that you asked that, Claire. Let's talk about the modern day plague. Have you heard of it around town recently? COVID? The Black Death. Modern? What are you talking about? So in November, no, sorry, I'm laughing. I'm like, I don't know why I lead her with these questions that make no sense. I'm like, have you heard about it?

Actually, you know what I thought earlier? I was like, you make a great teacher because I think you don't talk at your students, me, us, Rammies. Like, you ask questions. Like, that's how people learn. Oh, that is so sweet. I literally had that thought earlier. That is truly so kind. I mean it. Wow. Well, in 1995 in Madagascar, there was a second plague that happened. The Black Death came back, like the same, like bacteria. Yeah.

And then it happened again in Madagascar in 2014. And then again in 2017, killing 170 people and infecting thousands. And it's the same plague? It's like, they call it the modern plague.

I'm not really sure. I think it's like the same family. Like it's different than COVID or like the Spanish flu or all the other shit that came after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there are modern day treatments, which include a use of antibiotics and a plague vaccine. The plague vaccine is 11% effective, although it may be higher in underdeveloped regions. 11% effective? Wait, wait.

Oh, sorry. That is not right at all. I'm so sorry. An estimate of the case fatality rate for the modern plague after the introduction of antibiotics is 11%, although it may be higher in places that are underdeveloped.

That's a lot. It's not great. No. Imagine us getting the COVID vaccine. I mean, I got the Johnson & Johnson, whichever makes fun of me. And that was like 89, 85% effective. You and Allison got it, right? We did. But it was just a one-shotter, right? One shot, one and done. Got strep throat after. But that's nice, though. Yeah. Yeah. So it is still around and sadly in places that are more underdeveloped and don't have all the resources. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

That's about it. So Madagascar also is an island. And I also learned a lot about Madagascar from another animated film. So do you think that's why it hasn't spread as much? Yeah, maybe. But we will see pandemics come around every probably hundred of years. I think if you look at the history, I mean, Spanish flu was early 1900s. I think it was 1918. 1918. And then with COVID in 2020...

I can't believe we lived through that. I know. I can't believe we lived through that. It is really hard to think about. It's really hard. I mean, what are some things that were ruined by COVID? Zoom. Zoom. Dating was really weird during COVID. I can't believe you were dating during COVID. Like, dating was so stressful. I mean, I dated like once a week.

Yeah, it was like, well, I mean, you really did your best. We all did our best. I met someone, like, on the street and we started dating, like, during COVID. Yeah. And then took a little break. And then after I was vaccinated, like, went back on the apps. And it was just really, like, weird still because it was like, everyone just wanted to go on a walk. Ugh. It was so hard to walk with, like, a glass of wine and just feel, like, romantic. It was, like, weird to know, like, let's be honest, like...

Are we going to kiss? Are we going to hook up? What's your boundaries with that? Have you been kissing other people? I was just about to ask. And, like, what an awkward question when you're first starting to date. Oh, yeah. Had to ask that very quick. And it was – I did not get the answer I wanted. But that's for another time. Oh, that's so tough. Yeah. You know something else? Remember that dancer, Ryan Huffington? Yes. I will never do, like, that again. Like, no. Just, like, the dance classes? Yes. Those were tough. Certain, like –

Making bread. I feel like now it just has that connotation to it. Everyone was like, oh, I know the song Imagine.

With all the celebrities that were like on their private planes and like in their Hamptons house being like, we can work together. Kale Coteau started it. And like literally, you guys know, but like every single celebrity they would like sing. It was so cringy. It was so upsetting. And we're all just like, I'm so depressed right now. And then Trump running this country being like just enforcing more disgusting behavior from people that didn't believe it was true. You know, there just was vaccines and like...

But, hey, I got my booster in December. I need to get my booster. This sickness reminded me that I'm late on my booster. It's just nice to, like, not think about it. That is true. I got my flu shot, booster, and Botox all in one day. Remember that? Oh, yeah. You were shot up. And I hate needles. You were shot up. It's for the greater cause. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, you're so right. Yeah. You're so right. Botox and the vaccine. Oh, that's gorgeous. Yeah, of course. But, yeah, that's pretty much it, you guys. Like, you know, I said there's –

That's kind of all that there is to it. I appreciate your work. I appreciate you being patient with me because I was late today. Check our close friends story. Fucking traffic. And you feel so sick. You crushed it. I appreciate it. I appreciate you rescheduling. Babe, all day. Oh, God. I know. She's sweating. We got to get this girl home. I am sweating. I thought I was better. Now I'm just like – I'm telling you. I think it's his room. I'm telling you. It makes me feel crazy. It's a soundproof no windows. Oh, my God. My back.

We got to go, guys. We got to go. We got to go. But I hope you enjoyed this episode for you 14th century history girlies. Yes, you got it. This one was for you. We got another episode with like that kind of vibe next week. Really? Yeah, we're going way back. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Yeah. I'm so excited, guys. Oh, that's exciting. And then the week after, we have something a little bit more for like the sporty pop culture girlies. That's right. That's right. Southern girlies.

You guys know what we're talking about. You know, and you knew that we had to. That's right. And as always, if you're wanting more of us, we just released a new Patreon or premium. I'm so sorry. Premium. Premium. Premium episode on Friday. We're just catching up. It's always such a good time. You get two bonus episodes.

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You know, there was like something I kind of want to do tonight. And I was like, I'm not going to like go and like infect people. Don't do it. You know, just be like responsible. Just going to last longer. Exactly. So we love you. Love you, kids. Stay safe. Bye. Stay healthy. Bye. Bye.