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What's up everybody this is Craig and Austin. Welcome to the very first episode of Pillows and Beer. You saw all of our drunken antics on our lives on Instagram throughout quarantine and now we're recording them and here with my co-host Austin take us in. What's up?

This is kind of surreal, to be honest. We're sitting here, we're talking into mics rather than, you know, sitting on chairs at the end of your pool table, kind of looking at Instagram live and reading comments and whatnot. We do have to bring the beanbags back though. They're actually right behind you right now. Once we, once we move into kind of moving into a space, right, which is your spare bedroom, then we'll throw in some beanbags for sure. And honestly,

Honestly, I think that the beanbags are kind of like a perfect place to bring a guest when we have them or like, Hey, look, listen, this is kind of like a tradition of ours.

Craig and I had some of our funniest times together when we were on these beanbags. So like, why don't you join us? We'll get obviously plush beanbags for some fun guests and whatnot. But I mean, come on that kind of like, you know, defined our time in quarantine. It did. I remember the beanbag boys. We had Bo, what's Bo's last name? Clark. We had Bo Clark, Stassi's

Husband or fiance? Gosh. Husband. We drank. Oh yeah. Husband. Congratulations to Joe. Then we had him on and that was the infamous, that was the inaugural, uh, you know, beanbag session. And Andy Cohen was watching and that's kind of how, um, Trisha was watching too. And she said, I've never laughed so hard. Like you two were cracking us up. And do we know that we imbibed a little too much during quarantine? Yes. Um,

But I mean, there was a ton of positivity around it. And I think people want more. And so I just think that at the core of it, Craig, you know, we're like, you know, showmen, you know, we're like, the show must go on. So like we had fun. We heard some positive reviews from it. And then we just kind of the most fun that I had when we did it was when like we wouldn't focus on like what anyone was writing. And then we were just talking to whoever that we were talking to. It was amazing. The problem is, is we can't remember any of it.

Or, I mean, there's no record of it. And for as much fun as we had connecting with everyone and all of the guests we had on, uh, there's no record. And so we wanted to start this podcast, pillows and beer. Obviously I'm the beer part and Austin is the pillows part because we're such fans of each other's companies. Um,

And it's exciting. And like Austin said, we have a bonus room above the garage in my house that we're going to set up as our little podcasting cave. I think it's really funny, but just to go back on what Craig said, we've oft joked about the fact where I was like, I could do an interview.

if like i was craig like you know they thought that i was craig conover and they were asking me questions like i could answer the questions as if i was craig and craig could answer the questions probably as if he was austin they'd be like so uh what's going on with your beer and you'd be like oh you know um harris teeter just picked it up like i just think it's really funny that you said that because yeah often you know they're like so tell us about your beer and well it's a tropical ipa yeah

passion fruit and grapefruit notes uh it's a 4.3 no four is it 4.3 6.6.1 uh tropical ipa uh when i'm in the when i'm in the groove i can really do it um but it's great also and i spend a ton of time together and it's just time that we do this and we're super excited about it um

We kind of procrastinated a little bit because we have never been hosts of a podcast. We've both been guests and we're great guests. And this will be our first time interviewing other people. Yeah, I think it's kind of interesting too about the boat that was Craig is that, you know,

misconceptions. You watch us on television. You've known Craig for a little bit longer than you've known me, you know, but like Craig and I are both very much people that are like, look, tell me what direction to run in and I'll sprint there. You know, like I am ready. Like, you know, so, so we get excited about something like this podcast and we're like, all right, Hey, every Tuesday, let's, you know, record this thing. And we're,

We have plenty to say, maybe too much to say, but we hope that y'all will think it's silly and entertaining. And don't worry, we're drinking, you know, but, you know, we're not taking like a shot with every single guest that we brought on. I mean, Craig, I mean, that might have that. We took a shot with every guest that came on and that's why we couldn't stop because we literally were like, okay, well, wait,

One more, one more. And people were like, pick us, pick us. And they were like, this is great because the feedback, the encouragement from people who wanted to hear us, wanted to interact with us was awesome. And Craig, we're suckers for that. Well, and one, yeah. One thing about Austin and I is we love interacting with all of y'all.

And that's why come up to us in the bar, come up to us on the street. And we're like, Hey, get to know the real us because sure, you know, us on TV and it's a pretty accurate representation of us, but there's so much more behind the curtains and behind those TV screens. And hopefully this is another outlet to really share that stuff with you. Just like those Instagram lives were.

Yeah. So, you know, just something to kind of preface. Not not sure if it even needs to be said, but, you know, Craig and I are going to be talking about, you know, everything but our show, to be honest. So.

Yes. Austin and I have weirdly kind of a secretive life that we want to share with everyone else. And it's not secretive on person. It's just we have these adventures and we meet a lot of people and we want to introduce you to those people. But we also want to talk about, I don't know. Yeah. Well, so, you know, something that Craig and I have always, always talked about is that

You know, we film for a certain amount of time and there's a lot of downtime and people are always, you know, kind of concerned or not concerned, but, you know, questioning. They're like, well, what's, what's going on during this downtime or what's, you know, what's going on. And, and we just think it's kind of interesting and kind of cool that people want to know. And since Craig and I are kind of always together.

you know, are together a lot to the point of questioning. We were like, look, like this is so easy to do for us to kind of get on and talk about all the funny topics that I think that everyone

is interested in. And we meet, I mean, Craig, like we just meet all these really cool people. And, and, and I don't think that either of us want this to be about like a guest driven show because correct. Our personality comes, comes through in spades, but yeah, but every, but every once in a while, it's going to be a lot of fun to bring on friends. I mean, our lives were great with people just watching us, but I feel like our interaction with people is,

was unique. Um, and yeah, so we're going to have some people on sometimes and sometimes it'll just be Austin and I, um, but we've had so many yelling matches in the car and so many yelling matches in the airport before a big flight that we decided to start recording them. Um, there are so many stories about us on our travels that it's time to put it out there and share with you guys. All right. So this is something that, uh,

Man, I fall asleep to the same movie over and over. And see, I can't watch the same movie over and over, but the score of The Holiday makes me happy. And I go to sleep to The Holiday a lot if I'm sad or single or – So we're just sitting here – so we're talking chick flicks, obviously. Yeah.

Are they chick flicks? Because I love these movies. Yes. Okay. They're chick flicks. A thousand percent. So I can. What's your go-to though? Because mine is the holiday. I think the holiday is my favorite movie ever. Wait, but are we talking chick flicks? Are we talking rom-coms like Craig? You know, you and I definitely have, have an affinity towards, you know, movies that, that, uh,

let's just say that like, you know, Shep isn't into, right. So like you and I, you know, when you're sad, you watch frozen, you know? And, and, and, and, and I love that. Like, but even if I'm not like, I, but there's some movies that I hate, like what's the rival to the holiday that people always put up there? The Grinch. No, it's, I don't know. The other Christmas movie.

There's a million. No, no, no, no. Four Christmases? It's not happy. It's got like 12 famous actors in it. Oh, love actually. Yeah. Hate it. Hate it. Why? Because it's not happy. It's not a happy ending for everyone. Wow. And there's – it's funny because it's a staunch difference between people. Some people love –

Love, love Ashley. And I just don't. I do too. You do. Yeah, I'm a fan. But didn't I get it? Don't butt me. Don't butt me. It is such a good one. Why? Because it's real.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Cameron Diaz just goes into a house in tiny little London town and her movie star good-looking boyfriend shows up. Yeah, the fantasy. And then she's like, oh my gosh, it's like a Hallmark movie for idiots. Yes. She literally is like, I just want to go somewhere where there are no boys. And she's like, I tell you that my brother is handsome as hell. It's the Three Musketeers. And on top of that,

I mean, not to go full freaking homework, but he's like the mayor of the town probably. And he has two adorable little girls. Like how much more stupid can you be? Like it's amazing. Oh, so you're not a hot event. Oh, all right. We found something. Maybe you're not. Maybe because I'm kind of like Kate Winslet in that movie.

she's in love with jasper yeah but that doesn't there's a happy ending for her though with jack black it's amazing i mean is that really happy we've all been jack black in that craig is that really a happy yes it is the happiest of endings you could ever get it's not okay so you're more of a realist when it comes to rom-com it's not a happy ending like you think that kate winslet wins from going to jack dawson to jack black well he was a douchebag that was married to another person

Well, no, this is interesting, though, because we've actually never talked about this. Well, Jack, like it's cheated on. Yes, which I've been there. Awful feeling. I'm not saying that you haven't. What, have you not? Oh, sorry. I'm saying like early on college years, my first relationship got cheated on.

So I relate to the Jack Black thing. But also like the escapism of... Okay. You're allowed to like it because you, my friend, are a very like, no, I don't like movies that have a bad ending. And that's fine. You know what's rude is that you don't ask me what my favorite one was. But I'm going to dissect yours and tell you why. Because Love Actually is actually fantastic. Because you've never told me that. So I want to know. Because I'm actually curious. Because I've never gotten to ask someone...

This is what's beautiful about this is I like to hide from reality and just feel it in my fingers. Tell me how you let in my toe watching. Tell me how being like, so what is it about love actually that you like put that?

Mike stand down. You're scaring me. So tell me about what it is about love actually that you like. I just think that it's like 10 little cute stories that'll come in. They're like, you know, for instance, you're the guy from the walking dead. I don't know what his name is, but you know, Keira Knightley, he's into Keira Knightley married to his friend. And you know, he's the videographer for the wedding and the whole time, you know, she's like, Oh my God, I want to see it. And it's like, she looks at it and she's like, it's all closeup footage of me. And you're like,

God, that's adorable. Yeah, but do they get together? No, he goes to her house and kind of like does some creepy little gesture, which I agree with. Like, he's like, don't say anything, but I love you. And like, she's like touched and she's heart warmed. What about, but they don't get together. Like, you know, Liam Neeson's like in a little kid is in love with that little girl. It's so damn cute. And Liam Neeson also falls in love.

What is it about? And I'm genuinely curious about this. You don't want to, so you don't have to see a happy ending to enjoy the movie with his secretary, but you don't secretary, but see, you don't, so you don't have to see a happy ending to enjoy the movie.

Or happy ending is different for anyone watching. Yeah, it does not have to be a happy ending. Sometimes the most beautiful thing about the ending is that it's not happy and it kind of like leaves you wanting. You're like, no, but I wanted that. But I was so invested in that and it didn't happen the way that I wanted it to, Craig. And that is amazing. No, no, no, no. It's so good sometimes when it does not go the way that you want it to. No, because I watch it to escape. And like you sit there and you're like, wait.

And you kind of think about it when you're lying in bed. You're like, maybe they go home and they do get together. It does happen. Like, Nemo doesn't always have to find his dad. Yeah, well then why would you want to watch him not find his dad? Because...

because sometimes it's not always a Pixar movie. Have you ever stormed out of a theater? Because I did it into the wild because my friends, I never read that book. And I, yeah, he dies at the end. Only if a movie is starring Brendan Fraser. He dies at the end. I never left the theater early. Great one is the one when he's underground for a lot of years. So that's weird though. I mean, I only watch happy stuff. And to me, happy means there's a beautiful ending at the end and it's everything I want.

I mean, Craig. So you're talking rom-coms. Yeah, I love rom-coms. Okay, so what do you think is the greatest rom-com of all time? Well, I love The Holiday. But I love all of the cheesy ones. I do too. Like the Anchor one, like Good Morning or whatever it was with Liam Nelson. Or not Liam Nelson. Liam Neeson? Liam Nelson. Who? I like... Like what about...

Something just tells me that you don't like any of the classics. Like, you don't like When Harry Met Sally. Or, like, You've Got Mail. I haven't seen them. You haven't? No. You know that, like, amazing scene where Meg Ryan is sitting inside Cass's deli in the Lower East Side? And she's like,

And he's like, I'll have whatever she's having. Remember the girl I was dating, the actress I was dating last summer? She showed me that. Okay. Small girl. What about You've Got Mail? Isn't he dead? No, you silly ass. Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan are still very much alive. No, in the movie. He's dead. And it's a very like...

Okay, what about like Sleepless in Seattle? So you're talking about old classics. It doesn't have to be. You're going to have to teach me. It doesn't have to be. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because that's a guy's ultimate line for a girl, right? When a guy hits on a girl, they're like, you haven't seen this? I have to show it to you. My girl's best friend or my best friend's girl. What about How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days? It's good, but it's sad. Curl the Warrior King?

It's not sad. Oh, how did, yeah, I like that one. No, you're talking about the one that you like. 10 Things I Hate About You? Yeah. It's not sad at all. It's not sad. It's my favorite one. How did you feel about Last Christmas? I didn't like it.

Because at the end, he's not even a real fucking person. That's not. No. Last Christmas. Who's in that? Last Christmas is the one. Last Christmas, I gave you my heart. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's a song, Craig. That is not. They just made a new movie. No, they just made a movie about it last year. So what happens is. Let's like reel this back in. Okay. I really want to reel this back in and just say that. Yes, Craig.

You're a very soft and sensitive guy.

You know, I am as well. Here's a good one. Which is why I love rom-coms. So break up. You need to really expand your, like, you haven't seen, like, when Harry met Sally. No, I know. I need to watch that. But here. Here's a good one. What about the breakup? How do you feel about the breakup? I think it's wonderful. With Jennifer Aniston and fucking Vince Vaughn? No, no, no. I think the movie kind of sucks. There's some quotable lines in there. But what's great is that when they meet at the end and he kind of, you know, turns around and he gives her, like, a wink. And then you're sitting there and you're like,

okay go through the entire breakup clearly vince who's a charmer i'll charm your little panties off we'll we'll get her out two drinks they will get back together i guess i just live through the movie and i have my heart needs like to see the happiness i know but craig craig just like with life not everything is like a happy ending

Well, no, but that's why I like to escape. Nemo doesn't always find his dad. But I escaped the cinema because I don't know. It's different. It's funny because I like talking to you about it because I didn't realize that like... Who fucking hurt you, man? Who fucking hurt you? I just... Yeah, I don't know. I like to... Maybe because in real life...

I don't know. I think everyone has a happy ending and it's fun to fantasize through movies. No, of course it is. But that's why movies... I'm trying to think. Wedding Crashers is my favorite movie. What's your favorite? Like The Proposal, great movie. That is interesting. But it's interesting to say. Okay, okay, okay. Wedding Crashers, that's funny. I just looked over. I didn't look over and say, that's my favorite movie ever. Do you think

Okay, well, Wedding Crashers is one of those movies that you can put on at any time of any given day. Like when it's on, like National Treasure, you just put it on. Well, what did you write down? What did you write down on your index card first day of class when it said favorite movie and you had to announce it in front of the class? What grade was this? College. Remember in your freshman, sophomore year, you had to write on your index card your name, your favorite movie, and something interesting about yourself. I wish so bad that I went to like an academia class

rather than Alabama so I could make fun of you if you're going to college at Charleston because not all colleges do that but I can't be like I went to Vanderbilt you idiot we didn't do that well you know they have to claim chef and that's not a lot so wait so you don't have to stand up in front of class and tell your favorite movie I don't know all right what would you have written down my favorite movie of yeah on the index card it says write your name your favorite movie and then national treasure

Is that what you would have written down? I don't know, man. I just love that movie. It's so stupid. Wedding Crashers was my go-to. God, we were such unintellects. Okay. Okay. Doesn't matter. We're smart in what we want to be smart about. We know a lot about beer. Okay. Well, let's move on to God, man. So you're not going to pick one? You have to write one down on the index card. That was the worst part of that day in class. You had to pick one.

So do you try and sound smart? Do you try and sound funny? Or do you just write the movie that you can watch at all times? A movie you can watch at all times. Which is what for you? God, man, I hate to say it, but Wedding Crash should always be one of those. You can't steal mine. Old school. No, I don't want that. I want one of the Fast and the Furious.

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all right favorite food her food favorite food uh it has to be my mother's meatloaf she makes his bitchin no i'm serious it's his bitchin you know she puts his gravy out his mashed pot roast favorite crock talk meal yeah crop crack top um uh all right what's it called so a crock pot crock pot all right speaking of your favorite meal what's your favorite meal in charleston

Favorite meal, not favorite restaurant, favorite meal in Charleston. Here we'll go through it. Apps, entrees, dessert, and drinks. Favorite place to get drinks in Charleston. I was bringing a girl into Charleston or if, you know, first date. And I'm like, oh man, I'm going to show you all that Charleston has to offer. Cannot wait to show you. You're on the golf cart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, we're going to, we're going to three places.

right for appetizers i mean we're in charleston right yeah i would have to take them for oysters okay well that's a no-brainer okay so i would go to leon's no okay just wrong you can't tell me that i'm wrong i'm just i love that we're opposite on all of this stuff craig you didn't even listen to what i have to say oyster best oysters in charleston raw 167 wrong

Best char-grilled oysters in Charleston are at Leon's. Maybe best raw oyster selection, raw. But guess what? I would take them to dinner at raw. So if you want to blow your load on apps at raw, then fine. So the swordfish sandwich at 167 Raw is the best. So you're going to get your date a sandwich for dinner? Maybe. Or is this a lunch date?

Craig, not everyone needs to be impressed with a bison steak. No, but you changed it to date. What is your favorite thing? What's your favorite dinner in Charleston? I'll tell you my two favorite restaurants, 167 Raw, Hall's Chop House. Seafood Raw. I both feel that way. That's the problem. If you and I were going to dinner, I'd be like, Craig, I want to split

I want to split the lobster roll with you and I'm going to split the pastrami swordfish. Best drink, get a dozen oysters. Best drink in Charleston. And call it a day. I mean, shit. Craig. Oh my God. I just like, if you and I were doing that together, like they said, that sounds like a, like a wonderful date. It is what we do all the time. Oh my God. Oh, you're back in the dating scene. Back in the dating scene. Is this what you're thinking about it? All right. So, so like, I'm kind of thinking this. Okay.

Yes, we love 167. We love halls. Now, go with me on this. What if I asked a girl out and I was like,

don't worry it's a surprise and i brought her to like red lobster like now if she was fine with that outback is my okay fine outback love outback yeah great great great spot and i love to sit at the bar and like they have those little like you know yeah we did that with the bar plate yes you me and chelsea did that one time yeah um

Okay, fine, fine. Yeah, but that's not why you're coming to Charleston. You can get out back anywhere. I understand this, but now we're talking about dating. Yeah, so all right. So a girl you meet in Charleston. Are you doing this solo or are you inviting me and Natalie? Solo.

So you see, okay, fine, fine. No, no, no. What, what is your, what are you doing? I don't care. Okay. Solo, solo, dolo. You're a solo guy. I'm like, hi, I'm Austin. I'd love to take you out on, you know, to dinner. See, there's no way to hedge your bet if you don't have your friend there. So you're just like, I can own this. I'm, I'm good by myself. Yes. All right. Great. Do you not think that I'm good by myself? I'm not saying that, but like, for me, I like having people around.

I know you do. Right. But I, I can sink or swim on my own. I think it's so much fun. I'm a talker. I'm a charmer, no pun intended. And I totally think that if I brought a girl, right. And they're like, I don't know where he's taking me. Right. Like, I think it's funny.

To, to bring a girl. Okay. Not funny. No, no, no. It's not funny because I'm not trying to be funny. I'm trying to be, you know, real, real in the sense that if I want to bring you to Outback Steakhouse. Yeah, I know. Or to, or to a Red Lobster. Yeah, but take that out of Charleston. Just stop. Just stop.

No, we're talking dating. No, no, no. But we got to, we got to relate it to Charleston. So take that out of Charleston. Where are you taking him downtown? That's not true. That's not true. He said, let's talk about dating. I am newly single. I want to talk about dating. I want to talk about what I want to do differently in my dating life than what I have done. Why do I need to impress a girl and bring her to Halls? Craig, you and I go to Halls so often. It's like, like,

I should have like, you know, the King's disease. Like we, we so much. I okay. But what about doing like, it's insane. I would do apps. I would do apps at like one, six, seven. Oh my God. You're still you're, you're ruining my story. Okay. Tell me your story. It's not a story. Okay. It's, it's a theory. Okay.

We can go back to the delicious apps at 167 Raw. This is not a commercial for 167. No, it's just what we do in our regular lives. Sure. Okay. But now I'm on something different. Okay. So you want to test a girl? Yeah. Okay. Yes. I want to test a girl. Okay. I've dated girls where that matters more than anything in the world. That's stupid. Because you'll fall in love if you take a girl out back or...

Red Lobster, you'll fall in love with them. They're like, this is my favorite. Okay. Okay. That's my point, Craig. What if they're like –

He took me to outback. Tell him to hit the road. Exactly. Tell him to hit the road. Exactly. Oh, so you're talking about because you're. I don't need to spend $500 on them to know that they have to hit the road. I spend $137 and get two blue drinks and like a couple of appies and like a little three ounce lobster tail at Red Lobster. But do you think you're scarred? And if they went home and they told, you know, the roommates or they call the other best friend and they're like,

Austin took me out. I didn't stop laughing once. Oh my God. Well, where'd you go? Um, um, to Outback. She's like, I don't care at all. It was amazing. That is a green light, Craig. Yeah. But do you find yourself in a situation where the girl that wouldn't like Outback?

Yeah, I think they all are like that. They all think that you and I are going to take them to halls or 167 raw. Yeah, but the fun ones are the ones that love blooming onions. I understand that Craig, but there are the ones who are like, oh, okay. And, and let's not, you know, let's just say it. They think that we.

We'll go and spend a couple hundred dollars on them. But are we talking about like first dates or like first date? Cause you're in the dating scene. First date. Why not? Why not? Sink or swim. You're like, Hey, I think you're great. Like, like, okay. Okay. There's this new girl. There's this new girl. And she's so adorable. Oh, she's like five, 10. I'm like, it's like a really cool thing. I think that if I brought her to Outback, she'd be like,

love this yeah that's who you need to be with i love this i'd be like once like some house red you'd be like let's drink house red till i'm cute because we could do the other things oh yeah i 100 agree but if you brought girls if you're listening out there this is in your past let's just say with no names they'd be like mine or yours out i'm not trying to single out but you know our spot was out back me and my ex's spot was out i've been out back with my ex and her son

multiple times but i'm just saying like on a first date women just expect to obviously be impressed yeah but what is first date in this time and day like or time and age or whatever i don't i don't do here's my question all right i haven't done a first date in a long say someone's i'm like let's go get a drink not trying to be too intrusive but i was thinking about this last night say someone comes to visit you

This is what I didn't know how to manage before I had a girlfriend, but I was on the dating scene. Say someone comes to visit you. So they show up with their bags at your door or you pick them up from the airport and you have two bedrooms in your house. What happens when they walk through the door? I have to know. Well, wait, through the door of my house. Yeah. So, all right. So girl comes to visit you. Wait, she's coming to visit you. Yeah. But you.

She's kind of like, Hey Craig, let me have an extra bedroom. This is like you meet someone online and she's coming to visit. Oh yeah. Okay. So what happens? I have to know what happens when they walk through the door. Yeah. Cause like, all right, look, we're in a position where we have the little blue check Mark. It's silly, but we can talk to girls online. Okay. On Instagram. They come to visit Charleston. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So what happens when they walk through the door? When? Yeah. What happens? I don't like they have their bags. No, no, no, no. You have their bags. Okay. You have their bags. But you have two bedrooms at the top of your stairs. Sure. What happens? You.

you, you walk their shit right up to your bedroom, to your bedroom. Yep. You set it down and then you say, Hey, if you need to, you know, freshen up or get ready or, you know, whatever, like, Hey, we're about to go here to get oysters. And like, you know, whenever you're ready, you know, no rush, you know, cause they're like, Oh my God, I'm in the hoodie. I'm so gross. Right. You bring them upstairs. You bring them to your room. Yeah. You tell me to get ready. You go downstairs.

And you pop a bottle of champagne or wine. And you're just like, we're supposed to be here. I pour a glass. I bring it up to them. And I'm like, Hey, no rush at all. Take your time. And when you come downstairs, we're going to go meet up with Craig.

at you know oysters or not meet up with craig you know like we're going to get you know oysters here because why the hell wouldn't you take a girl that just landed to eat aphrodisiac oysters well and we have some of this place and we are the bivalve capital of southeast so that is in my opinion what happens and i don't think it has to be like that much of a mystery you know it

So take us back to meeting people in person. Are you a sit at the bar guy or sit at a table guy? Because I cannot imagine anything more awkward than sitting at a table at a dinner date with someone I haven't made out with yet. Because I've only ever met people at bars. You haven't made out with yet.

Yeah, because all of these people meet online now and they meet up at a restaurant and just sit down at the table, which you know if you like the person within a minute. It just is what it is. So I've only ever met people at the bar or at a house party, and then I'm like, let's go out.

I think sitting at the bar is the way to go because you have the bartender there to kind of break the awkwardness, but I've never gone and sat at a dinner date with someone I haven't made out with yet. Okay. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm in the same boat, right? Like who just walks up to a person and says, hi, would you like to have dinner with me? Well, they do it on the dating apps.

You say, hi, would you like to have a drink with me? Right. Drink is the go-to. No, that's what I'm saying. Like, I cannot imagine committing to an entire meal bar. And not only for me, it's not me knowing that I don't, I don't want to make them feel awkward. Like what if they sit down? There's no way of escaping. Mademoiselle, would you like to have an evening with me? Imagine going on a first date with Whitney. Like a first date with Whitney. Oh man. Whitney is so funny. I just want to say this and, and it might be, but like,

If we meet with girls or whatever, he's like, may I just say, it's such a pleasure to have the company of such a beautiful young woman and you as well. And let me just say, cheers. Thank you for joining us. We are lucky men. And I know that you're listening out there and you're like, that's so sweet. Like, oh my gosh, wasn't every man do that? But when you're in the moment, it's kind of funny. Isn't it, Craig? Yeah, he's different. And yeah, I think...

I think there's nothing better than being belly up to the bar with someone. Of course. Of course. Well, look, that's what, that's what me and my dad do. Me and my dad go to the bar and I'm like, dad, you want to do a table? Or he's like bar, of course, the bar. And, and, and I want a girl that wants to do that as well. I really do. Yeah. I, um, so what's funny is no, the belly up, belly up to a bar, uh,

Yeah, that's just me. I don't think I can date. What are you going to do if you sit down formally at a table? All right, Craig. Craig, what if you're on a date? I mean, I already know your answer, obviously, but what if you're on a date and it's just one of those, you're like, oh my gosh, I knew prior to getting here, why am I even doing this to myself?

I mean, you always pay 100% of the bill, right? Like you're on date, you bring a girl out. There's no ever like, please pull out your check. Common to total misconception when Chelsea called me in cheap a couple of seasons ago, which we can't really talk about. Well, no, but I mean, she did. I was so flabbergasted. She literally bought us like four fricking tacos and was like, I had to pay for it. I'm like, it was four tacos for like $37. Yeah.

And, you know, I got branded as cheap, which was so funny. I'll tell you, I got mad at Natalie for trying to pay for something early on. It was weird. As I look back on it, I laugh at myself. I think that's kind of sweet. Well, she did because she was trying. Well, this is how I misread it. So Natalie put down her card and was like, let's just split it.

And I misread it as her rejecting me. And it's funny because I read it as that. I read it as her being like, oh, no, no, no, no, we're not dating. Let's split the tab. And I was weirdly like, why would you do that? I don't know. It was a weird thing that triggered, like, was in my head.

Have you ever had that happen or no? Like she was just trying to be sweet and be like, no, I'm just saying like, you don't have to pay for myself. Yeah. But in my head it was her saying, well, and yeah, exactly. And well, because we're fucking damaged and scarred, but I was like, oh, she means she doesn't like me. And really that wasn't the case at all. Oh no.

So I would say that they're thinking of the max, Greg. Oh yeah. I always have a thing, but there is a, there is a time. So when do you start to split stuff though? This is important because it happened when Naomi and I, which yeah, you pay, both of us will pay for our stuff for my, yes. Well, this is important because it happened to my last relationship is we pay for everything, but then when that's not sustainable. So when do you start paying for half and half, you know, me and,

me and my ex tried to make it even, but, but an argument would always spark. Like I've been for the last, like, you know, two things today and I'm like, and I'm like, are we keeping count? Oh, well that's not healthy. You know? Cause sometimes for like, you know, three days I'd be like, yes, yes, yes, yes. You know, take it, take it, take it. And then it was like, if she paid like, you know, for two things and I'm like, what does it matter? Because it like,

Yeah. So do you see like, so do you view that stuff as unhealthy? And it's not that either of us were cheap. Let me, let me say that like, you know, because you know, we're not, you know, you know, either of us, but like, that's what would happen. And that's what does happen to where if someone doesn't just like take, you know, the fricking reins and be like, look, I'm paying for everything. Well, so, all right. So how, what's the correct way to do it? I think date, I think,

So let's just say, like, Natalie and I have been together for almost six months. I think now we're at a point we could start to split stuff. Okay. Who beat her 167 Raw last night? You did. Well, yeah, I'm saying we're... But she wants to. I fucking knew it before I even asked you, and that's fine. Well, it's because... I'm just saying that you're generous, and the bill was probably...

$180. But what my dad has told me is it was just like in college. Was that right? What, last night? Yeah. $173. Ah!

We did good. Yeah, of course. So my dad tells me though, especially in college when I would buy shots like an idiot, because I used to live way beyond my means. And I dug myself in a hole and I was stupid. He's like, you don't have to buy people. They're never going to remember you buying your shots. And so there's a way to be a gentleman. Like you should, when you're dating, I think you pay for everything. I just, I think that you do. Okay. Okay. But not everything, but not everyone is.

Yeah, that's true. I don't think, I don't think it's. So how do you do, how do you ask them to pay for half? How about this hot take from Austin? We need a hot take. I, I really think. Okay. If you bring your girl out on a date. Okay. Who's your girl? Is this a first date, a second date, third date? I think that if you bring in your girl at the dinner.

I don't care if it's a year down the road or two years down the road. You pay for it. But if you go to lunch or something and they want to pick it up, perfect. That should be the medium. Well, and I think it allows... Yeah, I think there's a balance. Or like...

you know, like, like all the other, like, you know, smaller things, right. Where it's not like a $300 tab that, you know, hauls like you pick up that tab. But see, Natalie picked up a BIM one 15, one five, two, when we were waiting for raw. That's cool. And I tried to, and she goes, no, I got it in a while. And I put my car down and it was a hundred dollar bill or a hundred dollar tab. And she paid for it. And I was like, okay, because yes, it,

I guess it crosses like, but okay. So say we're talking about first date. So, cause you're back in the dating world world. What happens in the dates bad? I almost think you pay for it to get out of there. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'll tell you what you don't want. Could you, have you ever asked like, what do you do? You just put your card down and you're like, all right, where's your card? Where's the, no, but not even like in college, you know, you know, when I was, you know, no, no, no. Because, because the last thing that you want to is like for someone to be like, not only was it terrible, but he asked me to split the bill, you know, like, it's not just that it's just the right thing to do.

Yeah. And what's it going to cost you? $40 extra $40. What's the worst date you've ever been on? See, I never really went on dates with people that I wasn't hooking up with. Um, have you ever gone on a date with someone that you haven't hooked up with? Yeah. How did that happen? You asked someone out? No, she asked me out when I was in college. I was, I was at a Jimmy John's and, um,

And, you know, I was a freshman, maybe, no, I was a freshman. And I was at Jimmy John's on the strip of Tuscaloosa, Alabama. And she kind of came up to me and admitted that she followed me on Facebook, right? Because, you know, Instagram wasn't a thing. She was like, I follow you on Facebook. And I was like, you know, kind of flattered.

And she was like, do you want to go to my date party? Right. Which was always the fun thing about going to Alabama was that you always could ask a girl to go to like a football game or something. You always had an event. Yes. Events way easier than, so it's not weird. Right. So I'm an activity date person.

Our football thing is way weirder than like a lot of places, but like we always had dates to football games. It was an excuse that, so she asked me and Jimmy Johns to go to, you know, her function or whatever. And we get there and I'm, I'm 1920, you know, she's 1920 and, and she didn't have her ID or maybe my ID, like, you know, didn't work at the bar. And so we,

Didn't even get inside the function before we got, you know, shooed away. And the evening was a bust to say, I was like, all right, I'll go on a date with this total, total stranger who said that she follows me on Facebook, which was a crazy thing to say. Yeah, she was cute.

um yes of course she was she's she's a reporter now for football and you've definitely seen her on tv oh nice this is too funny so all right so i'm an activity date person i think sitting down at dinner with someone is my worst nightmare that i don't know if i'm into sitting down with someone at dinner yeah worst nightmare um bar is fine but i'd rather like

co-jet skiing or like taking, I mean, we're lucky in Charleston. The boat. Are you Kenny Powers? I mean, the boat. I love that. The boat is amazing in Charleston. I love to do like, uh,

like you know you know like do some falconry here like you know anything anything gosh one day we're gonna have to tell the story about when we went hunting together with the gun and we were hunting an office chair um yeah i mean dude i cannot imagine going to dinner with someone that i didn't know never never never never and let's just say it let's just say it that is an archaic

kind of way of going about it. But during COVID, what are the activities you can do? That's the thing is like during COVID, I mean, how is dating during COVID? So take yourself out of the limelight. Say you're just a regular guy without a little blue check mark. What are you going to do? I mean, what do you do?

I mean, I remember I was on Tinder one time 10 years ago. I was on a Tinder 10 years ago and it was used to find out that people you knew liked you as well. So now if I was, which I am. Yeah. I mean, you're single now. Yeah. Okay. So you're dating during COVID.

No jet skis. No jet skis. You're dating during COVID. Not really. You just don't have anywhere to store it. Pun intended. I have nowhere to put my jet ski. I have nowhere to put my jet ski. I have no blue check mark. I would definitely be on Tinder, right? Yeah, but where do you take them? Or what's the datings? I don't think girls on Tinder care.

I mean, we do have the beach here and stuff, but I mean, gosh, my day and age, we just went to the bar and we met and we made out and that was it. And then, and then we met up again. Yeah. We met up for drinks, met up for drinks. And then we went to a function together. I mean, having events was the biggest thing ever, but like, you're like, Oh, we have like a ball to go to and you can get dressed up. Like that was the best or fashion week. But now,

I don't know. Okay. Okay. Okay. So how are you? Sorry. Be open about it. How are you managing being single during COVID right now? Be open. Yeah. Be open. Why not? That's what we're here for.

Because that was where the question came from, where you met someone online and what happened. Instagram is just like amazing place, right? And so you chat on Instagram. Yeah. But you're not living in the same city. So they just commit and they just come. Yeah. So what if you were in the same city? I probably wouldn't talk to them. Let's be honest. Shit. I mean, Craig, this is, you know, this is like...

in an unprecedented time for me in three years like three years almost as long as i've been on this damn thing with you um god i wish you could like you know weigh in on this but i hear that you can't so do you make do you want me like i can i can really just get one on well i don't like you know when you ask me but so all right so you do when like let's take it back let's change yes let's take it let's take it back a little bit so say you're at a bar date

And once we get out of COVID first moves are a big deal because I'm so self-conscious and you know this and drive you crazy about me. Crazy y'all. I'm going to tell you the best story about the first that I am so scared of rejection that I don't make the first move. And it's crazy. I don't know how I got to this point in my life, but I actually am so scared of rejection from whatever happened to me in my past that

That I wait until the girl's basically shaking me against the wall trying to kiss me. And I'm like, oh, okay, she might actually like me. So tell me how to fix that or what happens. Because Nat was the only person I made the first move on. And I followed her to the bathroom in the Mexican restaurant on King Street. Not into the bathroom, but outside. Was that your first kiss? Yeah, I waited for her to come out of the... And then you pushed her back in? No, I pushed her against the wall. Oh, because she would never do that. I pushed her against the wall. And then she was like...

No. And then she was like, wait. And I was like, do you not want to kiss me? And then she pushed me against the wall and did it. But that's the first person because I got turned down one time in high school and I never, ever, ever made the first move again because I was terrified of rejection. That's salacious. I mean, you know, what am I, the expert? No. No, but you're like, Craig, if you like someone, they probably want to kiss you too. You should kiss them. Yeah. And I never did before. I mean, definitely not.

I think the most fun part about it all is like, yeah, like the lead up to that first kiss, right? Right. So what's your move? Do you like put your finger under their chin and like lead them in? Oh, wow.

The chin one's good. No, I put on Just Kiss the Girl from Little Mermaid. Oh, so you're saying you're back at your house already. La, la, la, la, la. Don't be shy. Oh, you did that to me. Tell that story. All right. So this is actually a funny story. Actually, that goes to me not making the first move is when I got out of my last relationship. Hold on. So I got out of my last relationship. We were at a late night, me, Austin.

Our guy friend. And then this girl that was a friend and this is what, yeah. Tell him what happened. That's what you put that song with the girl, me and our guy friend. Yeah. So tell him what happened. I refuse because apparently to everyone, it was so clear to everyone there that this girl wanted to make out with me. I just would not make a move. It was like a sad kind of scene because you know, a lot of you that are listening might be like, Oh God,

it's so sweet craig i wish but imagine if you're the girl and you're like what is this guy gonna kiss you like you know texting your phone this is the first girl after my ex yeah no i think he's gonna kiss me i don't know and so we're uh we're at this house party and and everyone's left and craig's been talking to this girl for like an hour and a half or what felt like an hour and a half and i'm like looking at him like craig this girl wants you to kiss her just

Do it. So then me and my buddy, we like turn our backs to them and I play go on and kiss the girl. Yeah. You know, kiss the girl from Sebastian from Home Mermaid. Actually amazing because

It took him three courses to kiss the girl. That's amazing. I kept on being like, is he doing it? Is he doing it? I don't know. There's something to be said about being like... No, no, no, no, no. There's something to be said about asking a girl for the first time. You're like, can I kiss you? I don't know. It's like thrilling. You're like, what if she says no? I don't know. Maybe she will. To get over my fear of rejection, I started doing the...

Would you be mad if I kissed you right now? And I said that to her. And she was like, no, you idiot. So I was like, would you be mad if I kissed you? And her face lit up. And I grabbed her and we started making out. It was great. And we had an awesome little history. Actually, she got to come to BravoCon and meet Stassi and everyone. When Stassi was like, why is she always your go-to? Who? Stassi. They're always around. They're always around.

They were. Were you there that night? I don't remember in the penthouse. Yeah. I think it's so, it's so much fun, right? You know, you're, you're flirting with a girl and you're, and, and it's no secret. You know, I just remember that I've said it before on TV where I'm like kissing a girl when you're single. So fun. You kiss a girl. It's so horrible. Have you ever had a bad kiss? Single. Have you ever had a bad kiss? Of course. What do you mean? Of course. I just had mine for the first time, like two years ago. And I,

I was so attracted to this girl. What about when someone doesn't use tongue and they only use lips? I was so attracted to this girl. We went to the movies, which is right across from my community. We came back here. We were laying on the couch. She smacked her lips or pecked where she was like...

It was so weird. She did something with her mouth and I actually didn't end up hooking up with her because the kissing was so bad. I didn't know. I didn't know that you could be bad at kissing. It was so like weird and bad. And I just kind of laughed and I don't know.

Yeah, no. Yeah, I've been privy to some bad kissers. Bad kissers that made you not hook up with them. Like, I ended up not hooking up with this person because I was like, this isn't for us. This isn't for us. I think that's really funny because, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're never going to get into that because that's not what our podcast is. But, of course, of course I haven't. If you were a girl right now,

I mean, what's the best way to approach a guy you like if there aren't bars and shit? I mean, we're in Charleston where it's completely wide open, but I think there's a stigma to messaging someone online. No offense to you, but you're more open to it than me. So what's the best way to message someone online right now since you can't meet them in person?

Like what messages draw your attention? Like which ones do you actually click accept? And you're like, you know what? I'm going to give this a chance. That's really funny actually. Because definitely – it's definitely the funny ones, right? The funny ones draw your attention. But sometimes you see some that are like too funny and you're like –

what's like a script it's like uh yeah and i'm like a girl sees you and then and then when i read them i'm like i'm gonna text craig and i bet she texts this to craig i bet she texts this to shep but i bet she texts this to you know i know but for the girl that actually is like i i think i might have a chance not a chance i think i might mesh with this guy let me let me look at one of the recent ones that i thought was really and you respond funny

I do respond to some. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely do actually. Okay. Okay. All right. I want to hear some more. I want to hear some. Okay. This girl just DM me and said, will you be my Valentine? Great question. Okay.

And I'm like, okay. Was her profile private or public? Great question, Craig. Her profile was public. And that matters. It does have to be public. It matters. It matters 1,000%. Yeah. Because I've gotten other ones, you know, because what am I supposed to see or what are you supposed to see? And it's funny because when we did this same exact thing when we were in the pandemic, you were single and I wasn't. And everyone was like, Craig, you're single, Craig, you're single. And we were like, no, Craig is single.

But you can't shoot your shot if you're private. Right. At the end of the day, physical chemistry is 50% of the relationship. And you have to be able to see. You just want to see what they look like. It sucks to say, but it's true. And if you are confident, you should be public. Okay, hold on. All right. So what did this last one say that you responded? She cute.

Yeah. She's beautiful. Beautiful. But regardless of whatever she looks like, what is the, what were the words that got your attention? Okay. Okay. Um, she was like, we have a Valentine and then, and then I responded and I said, she said, will you be my Valentine? I actually liked that a lot. Yeah. And I responded and I said, um, I'm sure that we could work something out with the shoulder shrug. And she said, that went a lot easier than I was expecting. And I said, yeah,

It just so happened. Okay. It does me being cool. I just so happened to look at my phone. It must be my lucky day. And I said, question is how many shots did you shoot? LOL. I'm going to call Craig and see if you DM. No way. She said, do it. Just make sure your head doesn't get too big. When you find out you're the only DM. Oh, she's good. I like her. It just exploded. Nice. And so anyway, it's like, you know, things like that.

Right. Like I do that, you know, the same thing, right. If I DM, you know, some girl like, so you have my, yeah. One of my main ones was do you remember? And they're like, do I remember what? And I was like the 21st night of September and like this stupid and silly things like that.

And does it matter on follower count or it's fine? Just message. Like, did you look at her follower count before you responded or no? Oh, well, the fact that she, okay. The fact that she was public didn't matter. I don't care if she has a hundred followers. Gotcha. You're just like, I'm judging her for who she is. Now, you know, if she has like, you know, 10 followers,

Then maybe you're like, wait, why does everyone hate her? Well, that's different. That's a catfish. Yeah, yeah. That's a catfish. That's different. But you're just saying what we're hearing is genuineness wins the game. It does. Will you be my Valentine is a lot better than like,

How am I in a Nintendo game the same? Like, blow on it. Like, you know. No, no, no, no. Please don't. I love the Valentine's Day. But it's funny that, you know, we got here, but Craig, it's so important. I think it's so important. Like, what about the girls that, you know, reach out and they're like, okay,

They don't follow you, which I guess that doesn't matter. But I'm like, how'd you find me? If you don't. And you're private. Well, we have a whole conversation on catfish one day. Cause we've both been with it. We've both been with each other when we've gotten catfish and there are people getting catfished. I, Craig, Craig busted my bubble hard one time. I was like, look at this. We have a lot to talk about that. When it comes to COVID dating, I think being genuine is the best. Keep it simple, stupid, right?

I mean, Austin responded. How many followers does that girl have? That said, will you be my Valentine? Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. She's cute too.

She has 1600 followers. Yeah. See, so it doesn't matter. So, Hey, this is our first episode of pillows and beer. I don't know if we talked about any pillows or beer, but we've drank a lot of beer and we're going to be laying on a lot of pillows after this. So, um, what an outro Craig. I like that till next week. I mean, we're here. We want to hear from y'all. Uh, we will answer all the questions that you have and, uh, until next week.

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