Private Not Secret with Peach PRC
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Okay, hi guys, welcome back to my channel, my show, X's and O's. I'm your host, Shannon Beverage, and I am in New York City. I just got here. I just got here. I got here like a few hours ago, had dinner, took a shower. Now I'm filming this intro. It is Tuesday night. This podcast is coming out tomorrow morning. Uh-oh, ice cream I ordered just got here. Very important things. Let me get that. One second. Okay, I got my ice cream.

Good thing my stomach already hurts. This is going to be great for me. Torture. Oh my gosh. Also, if you're watching, look at Mika. You guys may remember Mika from, well, it's E-Rose's Cat. She did pass away, but she is with us. She is with us right now. She is with us. I'm in New York because on Thursday, I'm throwing a party. So this is coming out Wednesday. So if you're in Brooklyn and you want to come to a party, there's a party tomorrow night, Thursday.

Thursday at 10:00 PM at Elsewhere in Brooklyn. I don't know where that is. It's like a warehouse, but I'm in town to do that. And then I'm going to Toronto Pride, but last minute, if you want to come, you can still come. Also, my Friend of Dorothy stuff is still for sale and I am wearing it. So if you're watching, this is what it looks like. I'm going to do a short intro. I need one day soon. I need to do a long intro because I haven't done a long intro in a long time. And I have been really bad at like writing stuff down in my phone that happened to me.

because I do want to tell you guys stories of things that are happening to me in my week. I have a really morbid story. Should I tell it? I have a live audience with me today. Okay, I'll tell like a shortened version of this. Basically,

Basically, last night I was driving home and someone in front of me swerved their car and then I was right behind them and on the floor in the middle of the street was a man laying there and then I didn't know what to do. So I used my car to try to block him so no one else would like hit him because he was just laying in the street and we don't know what happened to him. I called 911, waited for the police to come. Then I realized when the police came that it really appeared like I had hit this man in the middle of the street, which is...

I like I like realized as soon as they pulled up I'm like oh my god I look like this is a me problem um but then we talked to the cops and then I was just like I didn't see the accident and then we tried to drive off and the uh paramedics had come and they were like looking at me like I was absolutely insane like literally I think they thought like I was doing a hit and run but anyway I did not touch that I didn't I had nothing to do with it but we stayed until the police came but it was really actually very scary and sad and

It's so weird when you experience something like that or like an accident like that and then you're like how will I ever know like what happened or if that man's okay but if you're watching this send a little something to the man in the street hopefully he's okay. Anyway that was a crazy I've had like a crazy week a bunch of random stuff has happened but that was like pretty intense.

Tomorrow I'm filming my podcast here in New York. I also might be filming on Thursday. So I'm getting a couple episodes in with people who are not on the West Coast, which is awesome. What else do I have to say? Anything else interesting happen? I've continued my soft launch.

Okay, I hope you enjoy this episode. I love Peach. She's so, so, so sweet. And I think she's still on tour in America. So if you could catch one of her shows, I highly recommend. I think she's doing like a pole part at the beginning, which is very impressive. Anyone who's out here pole dancing...

Good job. Enjoy the episode. I love you. I think that's all. Oh, also there's extra Patreon content on my Patreon right now. We ranked songs with like lesbian lyrics or like woman loving woman lyrics. And yeah, it's pretty funny. So check it out. Okay.

Okay, hi guys, my name is Shannon Beveridge. Welcome back to X's and O's, a podcast where we talk about queer relationships and sex. And I'm so stoked because today's guest is all the way from Australia. We have Peach PRC. She's a pop singer. She's also an amazing TikToker and content creator. And she also loves the color pink. And so I wore pink today. It's cute. I love that you wore pink for me. Is this millennial pink too? No. What color is this? It's gorgeous pink. Okay. Baby pink, I would say. Okay, perfect. It's

It's not my shirt. It's Zoe's shirt. So my roommates and it's I can't unzip this because I'm like falling out of the shirt. She's like so tiny. She's so tiny. Also, I have like shoulders, you know, I have like lesbian body. Me too. But I just wear it.

I do. I just disguise it well. Okay, sure. You walked in in your little skirt. Also, your shoes just jangling. I know. I've got the world's loudest shoes on these big. Your hair is jingling too. Everything jingles. I don't know why I do this. I put on so much jewelry when I have to do stuff with the microphone and I'm just like. I like it. It's like ASMR. Yeah.

I'm like recording music with it on too. It's like the track is just all you hear is bells. Okay, that's a vibe though. Yeah. Okay, so you're in America because you're going on tour. And you have no idea where you're going, really? I know no things. I just show up. I just show up and I sing my little songs and then I leave. Okay, well, that's fair. Oh my God, I wanted to show you this. So I was cleaning my desk today.

for you to come oh meanwhile look at the desk it's like not even so good everywhere but okay wait i want to show you what i found show me show me to me rachel this is crazy i found this what is that today this is the first time i've seen it and look at the date

What's the date? Yesterday. A year ago yesterday. Oh my god, that's actually crazy. Isn't that wild? It's a ticket to Peach's show and it's a year ago yesterday. That is so cute. Yeah, that show was awesome though. I think I had like a big cry afterwards so I didn't get to see you. I know we never really met. No. But I feel like this is serendipitous. Yeah. It's like meant to be. And also like just crazy because I'm like, where was that?

I was waiting for you to find it today. I know. I've cleaned that desk every time someone comes. Yeah, I really swear it's so bizarre. Anyway. That's really crazy. Great show. How different is your show this tour compared to then? It's quite different. I think like now I've got the pole part. So like I've got the stripper pole and I'll do like a little pole routine on that. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. I think last time as well, like I was still pretty new to performing live. Like I hadn't really got it fully nailed yet. So I was a bit sloppy and all over the place, but I was just like, I don't know. I was just having fun. That show was so fun. Your fan base is so like engaged and adorable. Yeah, I got so lucky. Like I feel like if I didn't have that, it would be so much harder for me to transition into like doing live stuff. Cause I've always been online singing and videos and stuff, but like,

Yeah, it kind of took off over COVID. So everything was in lockdown, especially in Australia. The lockdown was crazy there. And yeah, I got this big following while I was in lockdown. And then they opened everything up and then they were like, all right. Get on stage. Yeah, people had flown into state to come and see me and stuff. And I was like, oh my God, guys, please don't do that. Because I haven't got this worked out. I actually don't know what I'm doing yet. But I don't think that's luck. I don't think it's luck that your fans are so adorable and sweet. It's because of who you are. You attract...

the people that are like you that's a nice thought i like that yeah i mean it's so true truly if you go to shows you can look around and you're like wow it's a good point yeah people are kind of like a reflection of the artist yeah always so that's nice i'm a sweetie then yeah they're adorable because you're adorable but they are so yeah supportive i can't even imagine that's crazy that

I can't imagine like blowing up in a pandemic. Just in general. I can't even imagine blowing up online and like doing things like face to the camera. I guess I can because I did that. So I can imagine that a little bit. But like,

the switch up from being like just alone in front of a camera then to being on stage but then adding COVID to the mix of that so you're also just like not even socializing with yeah friends lost all my social skills as well as having to now yeah and then being like and now you have all these fans yeah that's wild it was wild it was it was actually really hard for me to try it still is actually I feel like I'm still recovering from that two years of being locked indoors like I think my social skills like never recovered

I think everyone is a little bit stunted. It just didn't give me a chance to...

I guess catch up on it because it was like I couldn't just go back into my regular life and start like going out and just meeting new people it was like I'd go out and people knew who I was and recognized me and I was like now I can't even like just adjust to normal life again I'm adjusting to like you zero to 100 yeah I think like yeah even like going viral it's kind of like you went viral even though you didn't necessarily I mean you did go viral like I'm sure many many times but like you built your following over two three years or whatever and then it's like

instead of you never got to perform probably to like 10 people like normal artists yeah I never even thousand people go sing to them exactly I never even did like any bar gigs I was never like I didn't never do like busking I'd never really done any live performance I had to get trained on like how to hold a microphone and sing into it and like and

And then my first live performance with like in-ears and a microphone was like televised, like live on TV. And it was like the TikTok Awards. And I had like an outfit change and I had dancers. And I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. That's so stressful. And everyone sang in like a pub. Like, this is so big. Yeah. I feel like that's not normal. No, it wasn't. Yeah.

it did something to me no that's not normal at all well I love the show I went to and that's so sweet thank you I'm so glad and I'm glad I got to meet you today me too um okay should we talk about queerness yeah okay so you're gay I am you're you identify as a lesbian yeah cool yeah me too

You were actually a big part of my discovery of my sexuality. I watched you back when I was in high school. No. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And I remember literally, it was one video of yours that I literally cried to. It wasn't a sad one, but I was just so like emotional because I felt like I would never have like what I was seeing in your content. And I was like, oh my God, I would love to like be in love with a girl. And I was like, and I just felt like,

I don't know why I thought for some reason I just couldn't. Maybe I was dating a boy at the time or something, but I would do that. I watched all these lesbian YouTubers and then I don't know why I never connected. That's just the kind of content I enjoy. And I just cry to it sometimes. Everyone does this, right? Yeah, I thought so. But yeah, so you were a big part of that. That's crazy. Yeah. Me and my girlfriend bonded over the fact that we both...

Watched you. That's so wild. Yeah. It is so weird. You're also... You're one of the first TikTokers I ever followed. Really? Yeah. Because I... That's so surreal. I feel like I had, like... I had that, like, kind of classic aversion to downloading TikTok because I was like, oh, YouTuber. And then I finally was like, okay, this is going to ruin my life if I'm not on this app. Now it ruined my life that I am on the app because I can't get off of it. That's so funny. No, but you were one of the first, like, TikTokers. I remember just, like, your content popping up all the time. And you also...

Okay, is it crazy to go from being like blowing up on TikTok then being like famous in real life? Like do you feel like you can't talk the same way as you used to talk on TikTok? Yeah. Like as freely? Like I feel like your content when I was following, like started following you, you were just saying any and everything you were like thinking about, which is obviously why people connected with you. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you feel like it's different now that you're kind of like more in a mainstream world? Like you're signed to Republic, right? Yeah. Congrats, by the way. Thank you. It's so different because I feel like back then it was like I'm telling stories about what's happening in my life in that moment. And in my life at that moment, when I started TikTok, I was stripping and I was like living with like flatmates. And I was just like, I don't know, my life was just chaotic and hectic. I was like 23 or 24.

And I would just say whatever because I'm like, what have I got to lose? Like my life is absolutely like in the pits right now. It doesn't matter. I'll just say whatever, do whatever. I'm just having fun. But now it's like I can't – I do have a lot to lose. So it's like I can't really just go saying anything. And now the people in my life, it's like they're not just –

faceless strip club patrons it's like you know real other celebrities or other like people i don't really want to just be like i i can't really say anything you have to be more thoughtful about like what you're talking about that's got to be like such a big switch up though you're having like a unique experience because i feel like a lot of mainstream artists are being like asked by their labels to create content and you're like having your mainstream

You're a label asking you to like strip back your content. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. You're having like this like... They basically want to make every... It's like...

Not to talk badly about labels, but like... Okay, I do it all the time. Just like, it's like even with TikTok, it's like a new thing for them to control. It's like, how do we make this the way we want it to be? So like, now you have to dull it down while other artists are like, okay, ham it up. Yeah. It's just bizarre. It feels like, yeah, it feels like kind of such a weird...

era to be in because I feel like when I saw like pop stars or celebrities when I was younger and wanted to be like that it was like they were such an unattainable like separate sort of thing and now I'm watching people that like I looked up to and was like wanted to be like now they're on TikTok doing dances just like promoting their song and I'm like this is crazy it is crazy why am I seeing like Lizzo or Billie Eilish or someone just like in front of the camera like doing a dance to their song and I'm like this I would have never imagined that like

The industry has changed completely. I mean, even with social media before TikTok with like celebrities being on social media, you're kind of like,

I don't know. I didn't ever think I would see the inside of like Ellen DeGeneres' home. Like when we were little, why would we ever see that? Unless it was in a magazine or something. Or like on HGTV, like a really well-produced... They're just like walking around their houses on Snapchat and shit. You're like, should I be in here? I don't know. Oh, sorry. I meant to scroll. It feels like the illusion of celebrity has been kind of like taken away a bit. Yeah. But then it's like crazy because...

I feel like when you're at where like when you rub shoulders with it then you also see this other thing that is like yeah so different and still so hidden which is just kind of like

sadness almost, you know? And people also like, I found when I've met up with like other creators in real life, I'm like, they're so different than what I've seen online. And like, not even in like a parasocial way where I'm like, oh, I know who this person is. I know that they're going to be different in real life, but sometimes they're so wildly different that I'm like taken aback. I'm like, whoa, oh my God, I don't think I know you like at all. Totally. The whole thing is bizarre. Yeah. Because also like, when you think about actors using social media, like actual actors, it's like, they get,

are you still acting? Like when, which one is like, you never know. You may never know. That's such a good point. I've never thought about, I've always thought actors have a weird vibe. Cause I'm like, what do you mean? You can just pretend to be a whole different skin. Actors. I are like the people I hang out with least in the industry. Cause they're also like, I don't think I know a single one. They also are like down to prefer, like they're always doing bits and stuff. Like you go to a party and I'm like, Oh my God, you guys really do like love theater. Yeah.

Yeah, I just like theater kids that are really good at it. Yeah, which is awesome. Yeah, love to see it, but no change. I can't contribute. I'm sitting there, I'm like...

Yeah. And it's like, I'm having a hard time just pretending to be my own self in a normal way. Literally. Like, I'd be an entirely different version of that. Totally. Acting is a whole different game. I just cannot even comprehend. I know. But at the same time, in some ways, I feel like I was acting for, like, at least 20 years of my life when I was in the closet. True. So, like, I can also, like, relate a little bit, you know? Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

But then, yeah, now I'm just trying to like deconstruct 20 years of acting like someone else. That would be hard. And I'm like, did I do it yet? Yeah. Do you feel like you've? I feel like I did it now. Yeah. I feel like finally, I think for a long time, I felt like there was like a

like two versions of myself. Yeah. Like I always joke that I was like lesbian Hannah Montana, especially because at a time I was out online and not in real life. Yeah, right. And then kind of like blending those lives together, I think took a long time for me. Like I...

I think I've tried to project to the world that I did it like immediately like the second I like closed off that straight Instagram account that I had like with my like sorority sisters wow it was like oh and now I'm gay Shannon or whatever yeah but like in reality I think that actually took closer to like seven years like really to deconstruct all of that and then be proud of myself and then

Also being proud of myself when I go home to Texas is like a different vibe than when I'm in LA. Is that when you grow up? Mm-hmm. Wow. Because it like almost like created another duality of Shannon in LA and Shannon from home. Because it's like one thing to accept it and then another to be like proud of it and really like own it. So when you were on YouTube all those years...

like doing all that you were in the closet in real life? I was when I was on Tumblr I was in the closet in real life other than to my family so I kind of did like a reverse I think of a lot of people like a lot of people come out to their friends first and then their family last I came out to my family first and then I came out to my friends slowly after yeah I think mostly because my parents were like kind of like least religious people I knew yeah as I grew up in Dallas and they're from Pennsylvania

all my friends were super super religious and i think that was like so like a fear of mine that they would reject me and i was like okay if i have my family then i can like deal with oh okay which i think is the same thing a lot of people do where they're like if i have my friends yeah then i can deal so you just need like whoever you think is gonna support you most it's so interesting yeah yeah it's a whole different world like like i guess because i didn't grow up religious none of my family's religious and like i i

I kind of forget that it's a reality for a lot of people in a big one until I'm faced with it and I see my own partner or people that I love, I see them...

like, and their families and they're so religious and it stops them from being themselves or, yeah, I'm like, that's so crazy that that's still a thing or that that happens. I guess I was so sheltered from that. Do you feel like it, does it make it harder for you to, like, have empathy for that situation because you don't have, like, the same experience? Yeah, I think I can empathize with it, but I can't relate to it. I can't, like, put myself in their shoes and be like, oh, I can understand what that would be like. I'm like, I

can understand that it's hard and sad but I'm like what how like yeah it's hard for me like sometimes I just want to be like just like because like with my

I don't know, maybe I shouldn't say that, but I was like, with my partner at least, her family dynamic is very, very different to my family dynamic. Like, when my family, like, when they did all the shitty things that they did, it wasn't homophobic, but just other stuff, I just cut them off. I was like, well, fuck you then, like, bye. Like, I wasn't really close with them and they'd always been kind of shitty. And so I just, like, was like, whatever. And then...

with her family like not accepting it I'm kind of like we're just like let's just get rid of it yeah but like this is not that simple yeah everyone's reality like everyone's life is so different and also I bet you could probably have more empathy for your partner situation that and like you probably struggle with empathy for like the people who you think won't accept her you know what I mean you're kind of like pull it together yeah right especially when you love someone so much like how could anything about you

make you unlovable to someone else. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, it's like a tough position to be in. Yeah, that's exactly it. Should we talk about your song? Yeah. Secret. Yeah. Because it's like, it's really about this concept. Yeah. And I love that song so much. Thank you. Like, I feel like I, I feel like many, many queer people can relate to that song. Yeah. Like, a lot of us have been the secret and or like kept someone's secret, whatever. Yeah. I was definitely, I

had that experience in high school for a long time I was like a secret or you had a secret we I guess we were the secret we were a secret together and then I started coming to terms with the fact that I was like oh I'm gonna have to come out because for me I was like this is life or death like if I don't just be myself like I don't want to be here so I started kind of like expressing that to her and she was like well I'm never coming out and then I was like wow okay and then I was like

I can't do this with you anymore. And then I got a different girlfriend. You said, like, you just picked one out. So I traded her out for another one. No, but it was, it had been, like, four years of that and it just got to the point. And she would date every guy I dated and, like, make out with them in front of me. And I was just like, oh my God, this is torture. And then I went on Tumblr and I was like, oh my God, there are gay people who aren't, like,

so ashamed of themselves, and I was like, just such a breath of fresh air. And I was like, this is gonna be my reality at some point, so how long can I pretend it's not? Right. But, so, did you come out to your family? Or did you already kind of like...

Separate from them. Yeah. At this point, when I came out, I wasn't really talking to them. Like, I remain, like, civil with them, but it's not like we don't have a relationship and we're not close. But I wasn't, like, hatred anymore. I wasn't, like, angry. It was just like, okay, they're there and, like, I'm not going to just cut them off forever. And I told them, but, like, my mom said nothing, actually. I messaged her because... Yeah, I told her and I just...

I sent her a text and was like, hey, like, I'm going to come out online. I'm a lesbian. And she just, like, didn't reply. And then she, like, went on to something else and was like, what are you thinking of doing for Christmas? And I was like, oh, okay. Okay, casual. A little too casual. I was like, are we going to talk about this? It's like, there's a happy medium here of, like, acceptance and casual. Yeah, you're just going to talk about it. You could, like, thumbs up react to that at least. Yeah. And I said to my sister, I was like, do we think mom's, like, a little homophobic or something? And she's like,

I don't think so. I'm like, she just said nothing about this. But yeah, my sisters were cool about it. Everyone was kind of like, yeah, we know. We figured. What was it that you asked? Oh, if you came out to your family. Oh, yeah. So you did. Yeah, I came out to my family. And then I came out online. What year was this? This was 2022, I think. Okay. Because...

I remember like your song, the Josh song. It was after that, right? Yeah. It was around the time I put out God is a Freak because I remember coming out with that. I was like, I might as well promote my song if it's going to be seen. It's crazy because it's so obvious that you don't have religious trauma. The fact that you wrote that song. That's a good point. I don't think anyone who has any religious trauma, well, someone could, but it would be a lot bigger pill to swallow. That's a good point. Yeah. And also you're,

What's Australia like? Because I know they were kind of homophobic in Australia. It took longer to come around, but not in a religious way. Yeah. Australia's just a bit backwards. It's very like...

country-ish like I don't know it's we had that whole like um the vote yes or no plebiscite for gay marriage and and I yeah I remember thinking that was like crazy I was like how are we just allowed to be like should we let the gays get married let's have a vote I'm like that seems crazy yeah also just like your fate is in the hands of someone with a ballot it's just like yes no like yeah I'm in a bad mood that day they're like yeah no one's allowed to be happy

And there was, like, ads on TV and stuff that were saying, like, to vote no and, like, people putting flyers. And that was, like, in 2018. Yeah, this was, like, not that long ago. That's, like, after. It was after America. That's all I know because we did it in 2015. Yeah, and they had, like, Married at First Sight on TV and stuff. And I was, like, gay people can't even.

can't even get married oh and they're just letting anyone get married that's so dark it's crazy but Australia I don't know I wouldn't consider it a very religious country but like I think maybe because I don't come from a religious background I mean I don't know but I grew up in Adelaide which is considered the city of churches like there's a lot of really churches there but

I went to a Christian school for like a year. Crazy. Yeah, I guess that's kind of where God is a Freak came from. Because that was a... I just... You had an experience with religion, obviously. And I guess that was where I was like, this is... Because coming from someone who didn't come from any... Like never been to church, had no religious background, going into like a religious school. I was like, this is insane. You're like, are we subscribing to this? Yeah, like this is absurd. And I remember my first day of year at this Christian school was like...

We had an assembly in the church and I'd never been in a church before. I'd never been to church. I didn't know what goes on in there. I wish I could relate to that. I'm like, awesome. Well, it was like, I think I had a pretty like,

I think this is typical church, but like, or maybe it is, I don't know. To me, it seemed crazy, but we all had to line up and I think he was a priest or someone and he walked around and had this thing, I think it was oil or something. And he put it on everyone's forehead, but then people started like speaking in tongues and were like shaking. They dropped to the floor and it went down. Every person did it at all the new year rates. And also like I'm 12 and embarrassed as it is. Yeah. Did you do it just to fit in? Cause I don't know what I was, I think I might be like,

I thought about it, but I was like, that feels like improv and I'm already so embarrassed. I can't improv first day of year eight in front of all my new classmates. And I said to the girl next to me who I didn't know, I was like, this is crazy. I was like, are we supposed to do that? And she was like, don't be rude. And I was like, you're right, sorry. You're right, I'll get on the ground, my bad. But I was like, it almost felt like a health hazard. I was like, people are unwell. They're seizing what's in the oil. Going very hard.

Is this a hallucinogenic? Tell me right now. What drug are we doing? I'm kind of down, but just what is it? Yeah, I was like, let me just put it on my tongue or something. I don't know. No, that is... It is so true because even when you watch a cult show or something... I feel very cultish. Yeah, if you watch it too with someone who is religious and I'm...

I think religion does great things for some people. I'm not into organized religion personally. I'll just make that stand. But I know that it does great things for some people. But it is interesting to watch someone who's like a devout anything and then watch like a documentary on a cult. And they're like, how could you fall for that? And I'm like, I'll tell you how. I mean, I'm just saying like you're kind of in a huge cult. Yeah. In a way, like when you think about organized religion, just because it's,

Yeah. Whatever. And also like the source of every war ever, by the way. That and money. Yeah. But I'll take money over religion, I guess. Okay. These are... Should we talk about politics next? Like, this is crazy. Okay. Speaking of hallucinogenics, not that we really did, but...

Are you sober-ish? Yeah, I think I've taken a break from drinking, but that makes it sound like I'm just doing other drugs, which I'm not. But I don't know. I think if I set myself a hard, like, I'm sober now, no more, ever again, I think that feels a little scary to me. I'm not quite there yet. I don't want to be someone who has to be sober, I think. That's what I'm like. I have a lot of

I have a hard time with because I had a lot of fun drinking, but I just had a bit too much fun, took it too far. So I think if I can get to a place where I can just be chill about it and be a normal person about something, then yeah. You want like a healthier relationship with it. Yeah. So I think I just need to take a big break before I can be healthy with it. Fair. I feel like I was going to ask you because I'm like, is it difficult to maintain like trying to be sober at all around Pride Month? Because I feel like isn't it crazy how much of Pride events feel...

Like, connected to alcohol? Yeah. Well, I'd never really gotten to do much Pride stuff because I... I don't know. I don't think Australia had really... They do have, like, Pride stuff on, but it's not as big as it is here. Gotcha. And I...

had been like away for most of it and then I've been doing like shows and stuff so I think last year was like the first time I got to do any sort of Pride stuff and yeah and I was still like performing yeah I know I was gonna it is tough even for me like I just went to DC Pride but I was there with like a brand so it's not like I'm like the drinking element is already kind of like removed a lot from it yeah

But I just imagine, I mean, I will go to pride parties within this month for sure. Yeah. But I don't know. I just think it would be, I think anything, I think like a culture in general right now in our relationship to alcohol is a little bit stressful. Just like how everything kind of has like a through line of like, oh, and you want to get a drink or like when you're doing this thing, it's like, oh, and a drink and it's really difficult.

I like was sober for like three weeks in February I was supposed to do the whole month I didn't I never fully said that but it was my own thing yeah but I think that's why I don't like saying like yeah I'm sober because if someone's drinking or something yeah or they're like yeah people see me drinking they're like oh my god like I'm like please don't make it a thing and also it's for myself like yeah the boundary I create is always for me exactly and then people feel like they need to hold you accountable to that and I'm like I really don't need you to do that that makes it so much harder but

I think the harder thing for me was like performing sober. Like I'd only, because it was like what I was saying before, how I really got like thrown in the deep end with it. And I had really bad like social anxiety as it is. And it's like, that's the extreme of social anxiety, like getting up on a, it's like public speaking, but you're like singing all your feelings, which is so daunting. And so I...

I had a really hard time and I never performed sober. Like, I would always, like, in my ride, I always had vodka. I would have to do, like, a certain amount of shots. But also, like, make sure I didn't go too far. Yeah, because then you can't sing. Yeah, I'd just be sloppy, which sometimes I would be. And, yeah, and otherwise I would shake really bad. Like, not from, like, alcohol withdrawal, because I was so nervous. And so the alcohol helped, but then...

it got to a point where I'm like, I'm touring, I'm doing show after show and I'm like, I cannot, like, it's not sustainable. I can't drink every single night. Like, it's just killing me. And it's really not good for your voice too in like the long run, right? Yeah. And I sounded like shit. I danced like shit. It was just not great. And, but I, so I needed to find a way to cope like with the social anxiety or the anxiety of just performing. And it's like, it's,

It's really hard. Like, it's hard to, like, be switched on and be, like, really charismatic and banter. And, like, I feel like I can't really do that sober. Like, I've... It's only been within the last year that I've had to really, like... Like, relearn that almost. Yeah. And through, like, absolute embarrassment. Because it's just, like, I've had so many moments where I'm like, God, I wish I was just drunk because this is so awkward and I've just made myself so weird. I can't... I, like, honestly can't imagine. I feel like that's why so many artists do have, like, um...

like, almost disassociate or, like, have to, like, have, like, I don't know, like, two personalities or something where, like, maybe you're, like, Peach Piercy and then you're Shaylee. Like, there's two versions of you. It's something my roommate Zoe, we talk about, I think we talked about on the podcast, but, like, you know, there's Zoe and there's Zolita and it's the same person. I talked about it with Jojo Siwa and it's, like, there's Joelle and there's Jojo and it's, like, that's two different people and, like, the person on stage is almost, like, a different person. And in a way, I feel like it is, like,

the substitute of alcohol because you're like yeah let me just be someone else like completely separate from myself but that seems sad too because it's like yeah sad that you can't just experience it and feel it yeah and be like and i'm singing like shaylee's thoughts and songs but like in peach's like persona but i don't know i've never been able to like separate the two like i've even when i was stripping and i was like peach porcelain like i still couldn't like it was always just me but

drunk and naked like there was really no difference I find it hard to it's like what we're saying about acting like I can't really just put on a different skin like it's it's so hard for me to do I think it's like me but just a little bit turned up and extra but now I take beta blockers that stop the like the stage fright and shaking so even though you mentally feel nervous your body's not reacting like you're nervous which is good because you're dancing and singing yeah because that was what would really throw me is I'd get nervous and then I'd shake and you'd see the mic shaking I'm trying to be like badass and confident and I'm just like

but you can tell them I'm like this also like quivering if I do like public speaking like I'll do just this exact same thing but in front of people and my voice will quiver yeah and I'm like can we all hear that like I can hear it and then I'll ask people after and mostly like they're like no I didn't even notice yeah but now it's gonna be like yeah that was crazy are you just being nice to me yeah because I've because I lip read because I'm like partially hearing impaired I lip read a lot and sometimes I'll see people in the front row like if I'm shaking they're like oh she's shaking I'm like

Like, someone noticed. Yeah, I know. And you can't, like, help but, like, pay attention to that. Yeah. Wait, I didn't know that you were partially... You can't... Well, how? Why? My mom had chicken pox when she was pregnant with me. And they said I was either going to be, like, fully deaf or fully blind or, like, deformed limbs. And so I got, like, really lucky that everything came out normal. Except for just a little bit hearing impaired. And I was meant to get a surgery when I was a kid to fix it. And they just never bothered, so... Wow. Does it affect your singing or, like... Probably. I mean, when I record, I have...

it super loud in my headphones so that I can hear it really well and when I'm on stage I have in ears in so my voice is coming through super loud in my ears so I don't think it affects me too unless I'm singing like kind of like this and yeah yeah that's wild it's also interesting because my mom is kind of hard of hearing but just from like age I think but you talk really quiet yeah I get that a lot and so my mom does too and it's so funny to me because I'm always like

As someone who can't hear that as well, you'd think you'd be shouting almost. And my mom's like... I think it's like a compensation thing because I can't really tell the volume. Or maybe because I'm hearing everyone quiet, I'm matching them. Yeah, you're like, that's how we're talking? Yeah, this is how people talk, but really everyone's so much louder. I wonder exactly what that is. Okay, another interesting thing. Just something I saw on your TikTok, but about thinking about yourself so much. Yeah. I feel that way. Mm-hmm.

Like, I'm sure even, like, the quivering voice thing is, like, no one else even cares. Like, no one's paying attention to that at all. But I feel like it's really hard to turn off, and it's super hard to turn off as, like, all of us.

also doing content creation so you have your comments constantly coming at you yeah and also like you edit your own stuff right like when you're posting your TikToks it's not like you're like here team do it for me right we're being perceived by so many people but we're also perceiving ourselves yeah because you kind of have to like anticipate how you're about to be perceived so you're kind of watching it from other people's perspective and then I've watched it from like multiple

perspectives. Me too. I'll get a comment and then I'll watch the video again from their perspective. Yes, me too. And I'm like, I need to know how you're looking at me and making sure that I'm from every angle coming across the way that I'm trying to come across. Truly. Even like my Instagram story, like watching it back through like, okay, what will my mom think about that?

Now I'm going to watch it from this person's perspective. What is a girl who likes me going to think about that? What about my exes? Okay. What about like my friends from home? And then what if there's so many people? What about random fans? It's like, what the hell? That's not normal. I know. I think we're in an age where like everything is just like, I think we're all thinking about ourselves too much. I think it's impossible not to like,

everything is so digital and everything is like very self-indulgent now. Like it's, it's just the way that things are. It's no fault of anyone, but it does make things so hard. Like I feel like I'm so in my head all the time and like, I get jealous. I see people just walking around, like just like in a shopping center or something. I'm like, this person is not thinking about like,

the rate that they're blinking or like the way that their arms are next to their body like they're just existing they're not even thinking and i'm sitting there like where do i put my legs when i walk like oh my god literally i'm thinking about what i'm going to say to the cash register when i get up to it like i'm like as if i can guess what they're going to say to me so i'm like okay if he says this then i'll say that and then but if he says this i'll say that and when he asks me if i want a bag i'm going to say yes i'm like yeah yeah i don't want to

I've been paying myself more. You will not catch me slipping ever. But like, I don't know. I never used to be that kind of person. I feel like it's COVID that made me that way. I feel like I used to be really extroverted and really chill and relaxed. And maybe because COVID is when I started posting online. Yeah, like they're correlated almost. Maybe, yeah. Because I don't know, something stunted me. I feel like I used to be so just like,

I'll do anything. I'll say anything in public and because I had this mentality of like no none of these people ever gonna see me again who cares but now that's not the case. Now you're like oh my god you might see me again. Yeah. Oh you might see me like is that Paige? Like doing that weird thing. Oh my god that's so true. I never even thought about that. Yeah. Because I think I've been self-conscious like that forever. Like I remember being really little and thinking like that. Right.

And just being like... Because some people, yeah, they are. Yeah, like, just inherently more conscious of stuff like that. But I also think it's the reason why, like, my social media stuff has worked for as long as it did. Because I was... Before, everyone else was thinking about being...

perceived so yeah grandly like I was posting instagrams to like a thousand people and being like what will each of them think you know and then it just like grew as it grew yeah that makes a lot of sense yeah I don't know which came first I guess I mean I think that thing yeah just not self-aware for a long time and then everyone was like you should be aware and I'm like oh god I am hello I've just gained consciousness now and now I'm really embarrassed

Okay, well, it's working for you, obviously. I feel like you're so beloved by, like, the internet. Really? Yeah, oh my god. That's nice. Every video of yours, I'm like, this is so fucking funny. And also, like, so relatable. Everything you say, even if I don't relate to it at all, I'm like, I totally get that. That's so nice. I'm like, I just crawled into her brain and I see that like that for sure. Yeah, I really have got to a point where there's just no inside thoughts anymore. It's like, I have a thought and it's like straight onto the internet. I'm learning to, like,

not do that so much i think you should keep doing it it's obviously worked i guess yeah but then everyone has an opinion and it's like i can't even have thoughts without there being opinions like yeah i think it's like having your own opinion and then being able to filter out like who you care about opinion back yeah also like the bigger you get and you're getting like a lot you're definitely getting people who don't agree with you at some point and sometimes it's like just for

for them misunderstanding me and it's like i have to be so conscious of like the way that i say things because my intent is always good but it's like my intent doesn't really matter if it it it comes out wrong and so it's like i have to really like i used to just post whatever i was thinking and be like well i don't care that wasn't my intention so if you took it that way that's on you but now i'm like i have to really be aware of it more yeah yeah but it's like but there's so many things to take into account like someone's gonna find an issue with anything so totally it's not what you said it's

Especially, yeah, I think I've been lucky enough to stay within such a little bubble of like, I mean, it's not that it's so small, but it's like definitely heavily like lesbian women or like queer women. So like that's usually the thought I'm coming at things from. Very rarely am I thinking like, is this going to offend like a straight guy? Yeah, I've never really minded. I'm not thinking you're worried about that either, but you definitely are like,

Your bubble is bigger than mine. I'm sure you have lots of straight fans, straight girl fans too. Yeah, probably straight girl fans. Especially as hyper femme as you are, I can imagine so many people relate to you. Yeah, I think so. I think it's mostly women, gay, straight, or in between, and gays, and that's about it. There's no real straight men. But every now and then I'll get one rogue one in my DMs as well. I'm like, are you lost? How'd you get here? They're like,

Sometimes I think like a lot of my exes as well, I sometimes think some straight men, like quote unquote straight, would be like attracted to me not in a way of like I'm attracted to her as like a hot straight girl, like I'm attracted to her as like a drag queen. I feel like they're like... You feel that way? I feel like there might be like down low like gay guys that are into me as like a little twinkie drag queen. What?

I'm wondering if that says more about the guys or more about how you perceive yourself. Yeah, maybe. I think a bit of both. Because I'm kind of like, like some of my exes where I've been like, like this, where I'm like full like wig makeup and just like really over the top. It's not quite like...

straight femme it doesn't really give just regular like girly girl it definitely is like an element of drag yeah and so i feel like i'm like most guys don't like a whole lot of makeup and really over the top sort of like aesthetic so i feel like they're into it because it's like a like a drag i could totally see that honestly that's my theory anyway i totally see that and i also like i know people who like identify kind of more as like non-binary ish and then are like but like maybe more femme non-binary and then we'll date men and then they're like

but straight men. And they're like, there's something not straight about you if you are dating me. A little bit queer about that. And I feel like it's funny to watch men have to like grapple with that also because they're like, what? No. Yeah. No way. But it's like, come on. Okay, so I've been doing YouTube for 10 years and every video I was doing all by myself or with my past partners or whatever. So like the cool thing about the podcast

the podcast is every week, I'm like, it's completely new because it's based off the other person. You know what I mean? So like the burnout is a lot less. The burnout, there's a new element of burnout, which is the length of the podcast because it's a lot longer. But there's a new, like less burnout because...

I could ask you any question and then I get it like starts a new conversation. Yeah. So it's like that's a that's a skill in itself though. Do you feel like you get like fatigued socially like when you have to like meet a new person and be like on and then a lot of times after I finish filming an episode and like I'm alone after I'm very tired. Yeah. For a second. I get that too. And also like right. I'm like a procrastinator. I have ADHD which I think I've already said. I told you that but so I'll procrastinate till the very end. So like an

an hour before you're coming over, I'm like watching everything you've ever been on, on two times speed. And then like, also like, and I, it works though. Yeah. And I'm listening to like music and then like doing everything like as fast as I possibly can. So I'm like cramming, cramming, cramming. Then someone comes and I want to make sure someone feels comfortable. So then I'm like also trying to be a good host, just like as like,

host in my home love that goes into it like yeah that's I feel like that's a really common ADHD thing it's like being like I can't I cannot do things until I'm like forced to do it out of like sheer panic like I have no choice but to do it right now or it doesn't happen like literally I'll pack like I packed for this whole trip to the US that's like five weeks long I packed like hours before leaving for the airport oh yeah everything I own like in the

No, my episode came out today. Another episode. I was up till 4am last night because I had also another brand deal to do. So I waited. The episodes come out at 3am PST. So I was up till 3am editing, finishing, fixing, coming up with the bios and stuff and then like posting. And then I was like, oh my God, I have a whole other brand deal I forgot I had to do. So then I was sitting like editing that. But that is more comfortable to me than doing it at like 9am.

9 a.m yeah god but my manager obviously wants to kill me she's like everyone else goes on like a normal time schedule and it's like i need to be like rushed it needs to be like two in the morning i need to be like yeah it's literally i swear i'm like it's not me it's my brain yeah i wish i was in control of this thing i know it's like i would love to just be normal as well so don't get mad at me like i would love this to work out my therapist

said to me like do you feel like you're a perfectionist at all do i yeah yeah okay same and apparently like a lot of people with adhd do feel that way really and she explained to me she was like a lot of people with adhd have perfectionism and the problem with the perfectionism with the adhd is you know it will never be as good as you want it to be so you have to wait until you have no time left because then it doesn't matter that it's not perfect you're just relieved that it's done yeah you're like okay it got done and so you get it

over the like perfect thing. I do this thing where like if it's not perfect I just will not do it and it just won't happen which is like worse than just having something half-assed than having something not at all and that's why like I don't drive I don't have my license because if I'm not like great at something then I will not do it and it's like I'm not gonna be great at driving the first time so I'm just like well I just simply won't then like I cannot be bad at something. No I think same and it's probably hindered me from a lot of other things but the good thing like even the podcast is I don't have the

I don't have the flexibility anymore to be like, oh, it's not perfect. I can't do it because it has to come out every week. So then I'm like,

Okay. Even if it's not my favorite thing I ever did, like, it has to come out and then I can... It's the worst feeling though when it's just like, I could have done a great job at this if I didn't just... If I just did it on time. Yeah. It is a terrible... It sucks. We're like at odds with ourselves. Yeah. And anytime like my mom does not have ADHD at all. So like even my whole life growing up with her, just her being like, why don't you just do it? My mom's the exact same. I don't know why. Like, I wish I could tell you why. I don't know. I didn't know either. My mom, like...

I didn't know I had ADHD until I was 14. And my mom, she's not at all. And she like had this system of like, okay, well, if I just like let her suffer the consequences of her inactions, then she'll learn. She'll fix it. That's my mom too. And I'm like, I'm not changing. Yeah. And my mom would be like shocked. And we talked about this recently and she was like, it just would like shock me every time I would try to like let you learn. And every time you,

do the same thing. I would always forget my house key and I'd get locked out of the house after school. And I would have to sit on the driveway in like the heat, like in Australia in summer, it'd be get like insanely hot, like unlivable hot. And I'd be on the driveway, like roasting like the SpongeBob movie where they're like under the line.

That was like me waiting for my mom to get home because I didn't have my key. She wouldn't get home till like 6 p.m. And I finished school at like 3. So I'm out there for like three hours on the driveway. I'm getting eaten by ants. And every day this happened. And my mom would be like, you need to remember your key. I'm not leaving one behind for you or unlocking or whatever. Like you just have to learn. And I just never did. And this just went on for years. And she's like, this is insane. Why are you suffering like this? You don't have to. I am insane. Something is not right. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

I need meth or something. Same with my mom. Like, projects. Like, school projects. I would put them off forever and ever and ever. Yeah. And she was like, I'm just gonna stop, like, interfering. And then, so every time I would have a project due, like, on a Friday, I would have to pull an all-nighter on a Thursday. Yeah. And she just

would stop helping me. And she was like, surely next time she's going to not do it. And I'm like, I'm still doing it. I'm 32. I just did it last night. Like it's literally, I can't stop. Yeah. But it's just the way we're wired. We just have to find a system that works. And I feel like you've done that. You just have to have, I'm like, I,

I'm okay. I can pay my rent. I do the same. Like my house will get like really messy to the point of like, okay, I've had enough now. Like it won't get like unlivable, but it's like, it gets bad. And it's like, most people will clean as they go or like keep things tidy. And I'm just not one of those people. So it's like, I found something that works for me. It'll get messy for a couple of days and then I'll do all the dishes and then I'll clean things up. It's like, that works for me and that's fine. Totally. Also like what is most people?

I feel like as the internet like grows and more people are sharing like their inner truth. Yeah. We're learning. Many people are like that. You know what I mean? I used to be embarrassed if I would post like sometimes I'll like my room will get crazy and then I'll like post a video cleaning it up. And I always obviously get some people being like, why did you let it get that like that? But like more often than not, I get a lot of people being like,

oh my god I do this too yeah or like my water bottle like collection will be like what the heck is happening in here yeah I'm hydrated what the hell I'm doing one thing right yeah well I did a whole series on YouTube back in the day where I did like um like in real time like clean with me videos and I don't do them so much anymore just because I found them like hard to

because it was kind of like doing a podcast but like while cleaning and it's like I already feel this is already stressful yeah to clean so now I just need to put my headphones on and just listen to something but um but yeah and I and things don't get as bad anymore but I did that because I was like I feel like a lot of us are lying like it does get bad and it's also like

Who cares? It's like not the end of the world. We can do it. We can clean it up. Things aren't permanent. Things can be clean. It doesn't make you a gross person. It doesn't make you a bad person. Just some of us have a hard time. Exactly. Agreed completely. It seems you have like done such an amazing job, I feel, of like speaking on mental health in general, like just so freely on your channel, like on TikTok especially. Do you feel vulnerable when you do that? Like when you talk about things you struggle with? Yeah, I think for a while people would like say,

like call me a mental health advocate or something and I was like I'm just mentally ill like I'm not advocating for it I'm just existing this way like it's not intentional but um I guess it just came along with with being open about it and it's crazy because like I didn't realize I was actually being so honest like I started getting a little bit like shy when I came online and I'd just say things and people like I love how like

honest you are and I was like wait am I being like really honest like I thought that that was like a normal appropriate thing to say and now I'm like shit maybe I'm saying too much and so then but then I was like whatever I guess that's how I've always been and if that's too much then I don't know whatever but now I kind of I don't say as much anymore just because of the climate of the internet now but yeah but yeah I think um

Yeah, I do feel powerful talking about it at all. Yeah. Yeah. And I think now it's nice that like, you see a lot more of it. And I think I still does feel vulnerable. And I don't know, sometimes I I'm like very vulnerable online. It's because some of that need to be I just need to talk to someone who isn't someone who knows me. And like, I need to just like hear feedback as well. Like sometimes

I do it because I want to feel less alone. Some people are like, oh, this made me feel less alone seeing someone else talk about this. And I'm like, you saying that makes me feel less alone. It's sometimes selfish in a way, but yeah. Yeah, that is what it is. Even me like coming out, like sharing my coming out story, I remember people would be like, oh my God, like you're helping me come out. And I'm like, literally you are helping me come out. Like every time I got any like validation, I was like, okay, like I can do this. I can do this. That's so true.

I feel like that's kind of the internet for everyone in a lot of ways. I mean, unless you're just like doing comedy stuff, but even then we're all just trying to be like, it's still vulnerable, I guess, to like do like comedy. I mean, like here's me doing a funny, literally posting online in general is vulnerable. I think like, do you feel like you ever get like a vulnerability hangover sometimes if you like are really vulnerable, you open up about something. Do you ever look back when you're in a better mood and you're like, Oh yeah. And yeah, I think too with,

the podcast obviously there's lots of times where i say something but so it's like feels different too like it's not like i have like oh just like a little viral moment on tick tock where i could like be like oh my god that's where that vulnerability hangover is coming from if anything it's like kind of just like it like overwhelming like overarching like oh my god they know too much about me i feel like you know what i mean like in the moment it feels normal when you like open up and say and then after it's like oh my god i said so much yeah i didn't literally especially when i go to an else's podcast or someone else's thing because i'm like

I just gave them free rein of all of my everything. I did that exactly yesterday. I felt so fine in the moment. I said everything, gave a whole trauma story, and then I walked out and was like, "Ew, I had to say all that."

That was weird of me. Like, my bad. That could have been just for me, but now it's for everyone. I have such a bad habit of doing that. Like, there was a video of me on TikTok where I was, like, hysterically crying. And I'm like, I don't care. I feel like people are always like, ew, don't cry on the internet. That's so cringe. And I'm like, whatever. I'm a human and I cry sometimes. And, like, I know that people say that it's, like, I don't know, attention-seeking. I was like, isn't everything attention-seeking? If you're posing online, you're looking for attention. Yeah, I'm a human being. I seek attention sometimes. Like, fucking hell. But, like, I...

And especially when you're like sad, of course you want attention. Like you're upset. But like I was crying about like my house being a mess and not being able to like stay on top of it ever. And at the time I was very emotional and like very upset about it and worked up. And then I'd like calm down and clean my house and it was fine. But then like that video had been stitched so many times and I'd be on my four-year-old. I'm just having a good time. I'm having a good day. I scroll and I just feel like, why am I, why do I live in Squalor? And I was like, oh God. And then there was like celebrities that were like stitching it. And I was like, enough.

I'm turning off my stitches now. This is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I think my thing I can relate to closest to that would just be like the fact that my breakup still to this day, I cannot escape. I'm like my full relationships. I'm like, Oh, a couple of mine are online. Yeah. It does. Like it is like a complicated situation, but I don't have any regrets of like what I've shared so far. And this will be like the last thing I want to ask before I do this game with you really quickly, but in an ideal world,

'cause your girlfriend is in the closet, like, when-- if she comes out, what do you think is, like, the amount you'd like to share your relationship with the world? I don't know. I've thought about it, and I think I'm someone who-- I've always shared my relationships, and it's just been something I've not really thought about, and then I-- I don't really ever regret sharing them, but there is obviously a lot that goes with it, and then people are kind of involved in it, and it's not really, like, you know, just a very specific thing between the two of you. And this time, I'm like, "Well, now I have the space and the opportunity to, like, have this thing be private." And, like,

whether she's out or not, like, do I want to take it somewhere online and show people and talk about it? And I'm like, I do just because I love her so much and I just want to show her off and I'm excited. But then I'm also like, maybe I have the chance to not do that for once. So like, I don't know if I should, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know yet. Yeah. Isn't it complicated? Yeah. I feel like

I feel like for some people, they have such a quick, like easy answer to that question, whether it's like, oh yeah, I'll never tell. Or like, oh yeah, I have to share, you know? I feel so conflicted with it constantly. Same. Especially because I see so much positivity that sharing the past ones had done, you know? I'm like,

And you love them and you want other people to see that in them as well. There's a balance for sure of like how much I, that word is so overused on my channel. I'm like, there's a balance. I don't know what it is. It's a balance pod. There's got to be a balance somewhere. But yeah, I think I

especially the thing is like especially for queer people yeah it's just like still so even with the representation we do have like the actual authentic like representation we have is still lacking I feel yeah we have like couples on social media and that's kind of like the most authentic thing that we have you know yeah I mean there's books and there's movies but like

- But yeah. - It's like the storylines are so often-- - It doesn't feel real sometimes. - Yeah. Sometimes I see it in movies and I'm like, "That doesn't really represent my experience." Or like, that's not how-- And it's like me watching you on YouTube growing up. It was like, if I didn't see things like that, it would-- You know, I didn't really see that on TV or like-- - Totally. - In movies and stuff. It was totally different. And I didn't have it either. And I think that's why--

like even though like people like make fun of me and be like oh you're gonna do this again kind of thing I'm like well first of all you're welcome first of all I will continue to love forever like I think that is like human nature and like

relationships are like important to me, super important to me, like all of them, friendships, romantic, family. So yes, I will continue to get into relationships and hopefully stop and have just... Yeah. I would also like to just be done. Yeah. Do you find it hard because you've had like past relationships online that like people kind of cling to those relationships when they won't kind of let you move on? Yeah, it does. It feels like very often...

It felt like the people would be like obsessed with the one before while I was in the one that I was in. And then I realized then I would get into the next one and then they would be obsessed with the one just before. And I'm like, could we have liked her when we were dating? Could you guys have shipped that then? But yeah, I mean, the thing is now, like I'm obviously also super desensitized to it because I've done it. Like it's happened. Yeah.

I mean, people talk about me like as if I've been in like a hundred relationships, you know? It's not that crazy, but I definitely have more experience with that, like conceptually and being able to be like, "Okay,

Some of this is like people's own journey that they're just projecting onto me. The same way people project like their hair onto my hair, like the length of my hair. They're like, grow it out, grow it out. It's too short, Jen. Really? You get that? Yes. Because yeah, like it's like when you are like representation to someone, like they're looking at you and you're like, you're me. They want you to be a mirror of them. Yeah. And I'm like, I get that. I understand and I will be that for people. But like, and I've gotten to the age. It'll say like, let me be my own.

Yeah, that too. But I'm like the age and I have the security to now like I can separate those things easier now. It's still hard. It's still hard if I get comments and like people being like, I miss you with blah, blah, blah. I'm like, you don't even know anything about it. Yeah, it takes a lot of insight, I think, to have that perspective, to like understand that that's them projecting onto you. Because sometimes I just get upset. I'm like, why would you say that? What's wrong with my hair? Okay, I get like that too. I get like really upset. But I think, yeah, it's nice to hear that. Like,

your perspective or other people's perspectives on that because it helps me. Yeah, decide. And also, it's nice that you have had the time to have your relationship be like you've been in it for a while and you got to have it be private. So hopefully by the time you have the decision like to make on how much or how little you share about it, you guys have a foundation that's so solid and you obviously love each other so much. So you'll go into it with like

really good foundation rather than you know like I hope so yeah I think it's gonna be great because I love your girlfriend so me too okay she's great thank you guys so much for watching I feel like we crushed the podcast right I think so too did you have fun I had so much fun I loved this I was so looking forward to it all day yay okay you guys check out Peach Piercy on tour in America or you can check out all of her social media I'll put it below and like tour links everything anything you can find her on

will be below. Is there anything else they should be looking out for? New music coming out soon? Yeah, I don't know when though, so just keep an ear out. You'll hear it somewhere. Hey, pay attention. It's gonna come. I'll be singing somewhere. Thank you so much. Thank you.