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I was a bad girl. I did some bad things. Yep, it's stuck in my head. Okay, my bed is...

I really improperly made my bed. Can you tell? Okay, she's lumpy. Okay, hi guys. My name is Shannon Beveridge. Welcome back to X's and O's, a podcast where we talk about career relationships and sex. And I do my intro twice every week because you'll hear it again in a second when I'm talking to Rose and Rosie, the guest this week. I'm so freaking stoked. What the heck? I was gonna say a bad word and then I censored myself. I don't know why because I say bad words all the time. But

Anyway, I'm so freaking excited that Rose and Rosie are going to be on the podcast. It's my first virtual podcast, like, over. Not in the same bed. They're not in my bed. I'm in my bed alone, which is so sad. So...

Let me know if you like the way I edited it, if it feels normal to you, if it sounds normal to you. I think it sounds great, but if it looks normal because it's like cutting between two shots. So anyway, I'm always open to the feedback. Y'all know. Let's just jump right into it. First of all, yes, I am obsessed with Jojo Siwa's songs. Not out yet, but I will be listening to it on repeat when it does come out. I also saw that she said she wants to have her ex-girlfriends on her podcast. So...

Respect. Jojo Siwa just like me for real. Yep. Okay.

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And another shout out just to my Patreon. Thank you to everyone who subscribed to it. And there will be extra content on there right now. So if you're a patron, you will be able to see extra content this week. And I'm thinking of doing something special. I'm just going to really give you guys some content on there. But yeah, today there is something up there now. So if you want to go look, you can go look and watch. Yeah. Okay. Mental health check-in. My therapist is back.

Thank God. Hey, Hillary. The last few weeks, what a whirlwind, obviously. Knew that it would be, I knew that it would be a whirlwind. So it was great to have Hillary back to feed, feed her. What in the heck? To fill her in on the last two weeks of

She's the best. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. No, I really am. I'm feeling very, I'm feeling very happy. I really feel like in so many ways, the podcast with my ex did exactly what I hoped it would do. I think for the most part, many, many people understood that it was seeking closure and like showing you guys, okay, here is the reality so you can stop creating a false one.

So I'm really, really happy with it. I think it's not, it's a, it's a unique experience to have a conversation that's that vulnerable in front of everyone. So thank you to everyone who watched. Thank you to anyone who listened and thank you to anyone who like gave me grace and the platform to have that conversation.

I appreciate it. I'm really, really excited for this week's episode though. So I don't want to waste too much time. Let's just jump right into it. Rose and Rosie, everybody. Woo! Sink, babe. I've got to do the video. No, I was seeing how close I wasn't sinking, ugly. Right, now you sink. Okay. Yeah, sink the video. So we're recording. This is fine. It looks like it's coming out a bit strong. Should I just...

I think it's good. Yeah, you think that's fine? Yeah, I did a test before. I'm confident. Fine. That's fine. That's recording. We're all recording. We're good. Hi, Shannon. You guys, we're getting older or something. Something's happening. Tell me about it, Shannon. Don't say it. Tell me about it. Don't say it. My God. Right. Okay. Let's do this. We've got to leave. It's fine. I'm watching. We've got to leave at... In an hour. We've got about an hour, Shannon. Can we crack it out or what? We can crack it out. Okay. I'm going to do my intro really quick and I'm going to look at my main camera. So don't be weirded out when I do that. Okay. Let's do it. That's fine. Okay. Okay.

Hi guys, my name is Shannon Beveridge. Welcome to X's and O's, a podcast where we talk about queer relationships and sex. And believe it or not, this is my first not in real life episode. And it is with the one, I mean the two, the only, the one, the only, like you guys are two different people. Rose and Rosie, all the way from the UK. That's right, right? Woo! Yeah! Okay. You may know them from YouTube. They are a lesbian staple, as some might say.

You might remember the super kiss video. I'll never forget it.

But yeah, they're here today. We're going to talk about queer relationships and sex, something that they're quite good at because they have been in a relationship this whole time. And they've seen mine start and end multiple times. So let's just get into it. That's okay. You're having lots of fun, Shannon. That's fine. But you guys are having lots of babies, which is kind of amazing. Yeah, that's fun. That's also fun. But I want to rewind, though. So did you watch our Super Kiss video like ages ago before we were friends? Forever and ever and ever ago. Yeah, of course. Don't you...

I made a video called Super Kiss 2, like with my first girlfriend. Yes, I didn't know. I did know that. Oh my God. I didn't know that. Who did you fancy, Shannon? Right now? No, but back then. What do you mean?

Oh my god, when you watched the video. You guys, I had a girlfriend at the time and when I have a girlfriend, I'm very... It means nothing. My eyes are closed. Wow. Fair. Fair one, Shannon. That's very good of you. I feel like y'all have healthy crushes though. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. And we're quite open about talking about them. Yeah, it's fine. Because it...

Healthy jealousy. I think because we're so solid and I just don't really think that anything could actually kind of like derail that. And I think that we say it in jest, but we're half serious. I think it's healthy to be attracted to other people. 100%. But wait, no, but wait. It's gonna happen. Wait, hold on. We had this conversation and we said that would we still be together and married if we lived in LA? And I think that we would have. We think not. I think that...

have had our hurdles for sure if we lived out there yeah we think not yeah it's too hard out there this is why we're okay Los Angeles is a scary place for lesbians and I am a culprit I feel like I like yeah I'm creating problems for sure I see it yeah you are the problem is also the solution yeah that's true I am the problem so how's life y'all yeah

Yeah. How's your life more like? We've just watched back to back episodes. Yeah, we just watched your Fletcher two parts in a row. Then we made a video. Then we came on here. Oh my God. It's been a full day. We're involved in your life at the moment. Yeah, it's been full on. Are you guys a little bit sick of like looking at me and hearing my voice? No. No, I'm loving it. I'm really enjoying it actually. I'm seriously addicted. And everyone we know is addicted to this content as well. Like our manager's been asking us to do this. She keeps texting us.

Like, what's going on? But no, we are good, actually. I mean, I feel like... You're pregnant. Yeah. Can you tell? Look at these. You know what? You keep doing that when they're not on screen. Rose has got massive tits. She's joined the club. It's amazing. I'm not used to it, Shannon. I'm not like a big titted lady. And now I am. And I'm like, I like it. You like it? So that's been great. Oh, I like it. Do you know what? I do. No, I do. I do.

I do. I like it. But it's not like comfortable. Yeah. So when you get pregnant, you get amazing tits, but they don't move. They're like rocks and they're really hard. It's horrible. So they look amazing and you want to be amazed by them, but they're very painful. But I also am not the kind of person who's ever been like...

Had big boobs. So now I'm like, I don't really know how to walk or like carry myself. But apart from that, I'm doing great. And pregnancy is really great. How pregnant are you right now? I'm 18 weeks on Sunday. So... Nearly halfway. 20 weeks is halfway. I was going to say, I don't even know how long those things last, take, if I'm not mistaken.

40 weeks 10 months everyone says nine months but it's 10 months most women are pregnant 10 months yeah i know can you believe they lie to us about everything it's normally 10 months i was pregnant 10 months can you believe we're on baby number two like i it feels like two minutes ago when you were taking the mic of my ipod um in 2015 at vidcon you know and it's like time is going by so quickly and the years are going by so quickly and i'm like

Mentally, we're children. But we're having children. Yeah. Mentally, I am also child. So I don't know how I could have a baby right now. I don't know how you guys do it. Oh, you could do it. You could do it. It's fun. I think anybody could actually do it. I think a lot of parents, especially some mums, they put the fear of God into people. Like, oh, it's so hard. You'll never be able to do it. It's actually really fun. And I think people don't talk about how fun it is being a parent.

being a parent, they're always talking about, I'm not getting any sleep, I'm busy all the time, there's no me time, you know, life is shit. But actually it's great. - Yeah, it's pretty great. - Yeah, it's just tiring. - I think there's like a lot of advantages of the fact that you guys are both women.

like raising a kid as two women. I just feel like the support system between two women is so different than like, imagine you had a husband. Yeah, no, I, so I'm big on this. So I read stuff all the time online about people having shit husbands. I'm not saying that every husband is shit, but I, I read it all the time. And there's this list I found out. Uh, it's like, I can't, I'll have to find out what it's called, but it's about being the default parent. Right. And it's,

Oh, it's about men being useless. And it was called something like, I left my cup or I left my dishes by the sink, right? And it's about how... And it's this checklist for husbands where...

um they're like oh i never trim my child's nails but they get trimmed and i never buy my child clothes but they're always wearing the right clothes that fit you know because normally the women does it all but i looked at that list and we share all those jobs you know yeah i'm very grateful for you i also good team right okay but i think also we have excuse me

I think that like we have... We're more empathetic with each other, I think, as two women. Perhaps. I don't know though because I sit here and slag off all men. No, I'm not either. I'm not... But I'm saying it does seem a thing though that I read about women struggling. But I feel like I've been in the situation of both the mother and the father, in quotes, because I've been the other mother and now I'm the biological mother. And it's...

actually being like the other parent let's call them the other mother or the dad in quotes because when you can't like breastfeed for instance like you don't immediately make that bond with your child and there is like a definite separation for a while i'd say like the first 18 months of ziggy's life i was number two and you have to like deal you still had a bond so it's not it's not easy for some dads either you know it's it's tricky but i do feel like as two women we have we talk to each other really nicely like just be

- But also that's the element of like, we're a good relationship as well though. - Yeah, a good team. - Because I mean, you could have two women who aren't getting along. - Who are awful. - You know, exactly. - So I've had some breakups. - We are unique. - Yeah, I know. - Have you Shannon? Really? - No, but I think you're right Rose. I think, yeah, we can have some empathy for men and the fact that they don't get that like bonding experience with a baby right away. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And also remember we're raising a son, so.

We can't hate all men. It's also how life has done it and how they've been raised, maybe. I read something that said millennials, which we're millennials, have the most hands-on dads ever. This is the first generation. They're more... Yeah, there's more stay-at-home dads. So they're getting better. And it's how we raise them as well and what society... Totally. How we change as a society. We've had such different experiences of our dads. Rosie's had none. And...

And I've had a really like emotionally in touch man as my dad. And I think that could be quite rare because like not only is he being really like present, but he's been like emotionally present. He was the one you went to over your mom and dad for emotional support. 100%. So I feel like that's kind of maybe also, is that unique nowadays? I don't know. Maybe it's becoming the new norm. Maybe it is. Things are changing for sure. I guess we'll never know because none of us will ever be married to a man. Not even relatively.

I know. I know. Who knows what the future holds. I never say never to him. I'm dead. Okay. So you guys moved. You're not even like, I think sometimes...

I sometimes think of you guys and I'm like, oh, they're in London. And then I'm like, they are not in London at all. You guys are not. So you're far from the city. Yes. Well, we're like two hours from London, kind of in the Midlands. But we're surrounded by fields. Like this is what we like. We live in between three farms. That's literally a farm each way. There's just farm. There's just cows and horses and hay bales and...

and the quiet life and no one's bothering us and I kind of love it. Yeah, we do love it. I love it. Sometimes I'm like, I got to get out of here and I'm moving to a farm. Like I need to come here whenever you want to do that at some point. How does that affect your social lives?

Oh, we have another one. No, I think it's fine because the thing is our friends live really far away anyway. Yeah. All our friends never live by us. So even if we were in London, they're not near us. So we have like long distance friendships. Yeah. And then we've got some people around. We have, but we're just so busy. Yeah. Would you say that we were quite like reclusive?

I wouldn't say I am, but maybe you are. - Oh, I think I am. - Maybe you are. - I think maybe I am. Thing is though, I really crave like that social interaction. Like I miss when we used to like visit you in LA and have all that fun. But like at the same time, I'm like, oh, do you know what? I really love just being alone and having the quiet. 'Cause I find the internet is so loud anyway and it's my job. So I'm like, when I can just walk into the middle of nowhere, that's like my peace, that's my calm. - Yeah, definitely. And we can get in a car and go somewhere. - Are you like an introvert?

I think you are an introvert. Yeah, I don't ever give anyone my... I think you have your moments. I don't give anyone my number, apart from Carrie. That's it. I don't do that. You would meet someone and just give them your number. Yeah, I think we're different. And I have a group of friends around here as well, and Rose doesn't, and that's fine. Yeah, I think you don't need... I think Rose doesn't need it. I need it. I need to go out and see people. Rose doesn't need it as much. I hate people. Yeah.

Did you love COVID? Do you know what? I actually did love it a little bit. We did love COVID, actually. A little bit. Yeah. We had quite a good time, though. Well, no, actually. I had a pretty rough time. But it wasn't...

Like where we lived at that time, it wasn't in this house, but it was in like a Cotswolds town. And it's normally like a really hot tourist destination. And it was like, it was like something out of wartime. Yeah, it was completely abandoned. It was amazing. So we got this tourist town, this like gorgeous town to ourselves. We loved it. We had a good time. I kind of like, sometimes I wish...

I appreciated COVID more when COVID was happening. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think- You had a very different COVID experience, Shanna. I've just heard all about it. I've just come off the podcast. I had a very different COVID experience, but I think just like- Yeah, you did. I wish I had appreciated just like the pause that kind of COVID created for everyone and like- I feel like you didn't have that pause. I feel like you didn't have that. Am I wrong? I mean, I had,

the pause in that like socially like it wasn't like going out and doing all the things that I normally do which I have a very very social life like it's rare that I spend a night in a

Even when I am in, my roommate is Zoe and we hang out. You know what I mean? I'm not very like, there's always kind of something going on. And I think I'd... So why do you think that is? Like, if you have to be alone with yourself, like, does that freak you out? Oh my God, clearly. Yeah.

No, I think I think I'm also like I recharge with people. I'm more I do think I'm an extrovert in that way. I think people always get it confused, too, with me because I have like social anxiety sometimes. And like also like I think fans sometimes meet me and they're like, oh, my God, Shannon's so nervous. She's so awkward. And I'm like, I am socially I have like these little socially anxious moments. But like in general, friends and being around other people is like how I feel emotionally.

I guess it's like, I feel safer in that environment than I do all by myself. And when I'm all by myself, I'm just kind of like, every once in a while, I need to be alone. And I sit around and I'm like, okay, this is good. And then I'm like, okay, I'm bored. What's going on? I think I also have ADHD. So I don't know if I'm just like, someone needs to entertain me now. Right, that makes sense. That makes sense. Because when I first met you, I thought you came across as quite reserved and quite shy. But then as I got to know you, I realized, I was saying this to you the other day, just how good a talker you are,

Like as in you're very easy to socialize with, you make people very comfortable very quickly. - Yeah, I don't think you're awkward. - And you're also really good at listening. And I think so many people nowadays don't listen when you talk.

I certainly don't listen to you. But do you know what I mean? And they're just so quick to talk about themselves straight away, whereas you ask questions and you genuinely seem interested, which is why I really like you as a person. That's so nice. I appreciate that so much. This episode is brought to you by Shopify. Whether you're selling a little or a lot.

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So should we talk about, I mean, there's so many things we can talk about. We haven't talked in so long. I know. We should mention, like, I don't know what people think. I don't know what the internet thinks of our relationship or friendship, like outside of when they see us socializing online. We tell the internet, we're really good friends, but you're shit at replying. I don't even think.

even think that's true it's not true every once in a while we do a catch up I get a voice memo from one of you and you're like what's the goss yeah and then I'm like oh what how can I even catch you yeah that's true it's true but I feel like there's always something we've got a relationship though where well us is how I feel I feel like we could just pick it up

wherever like yeah 100% that's what I feel so easygoing so I just feel like even if seven years passed we'd just be fine yeah oh my god I agree completely I think it that also comes from you guys said you have like long distance friendships and I have that like I've had that forever too because I left Dallas and I still have all those friends back there too and it's just as you get older it's like someone said I watched something about um

like it's like there's a proximity friendship situation that goes on where it's like obviously it's much easier to stay close to people who are nearby yeah and you don't have to every time you talk you're not filling them in on years that have happened or like months or weeks or however often you talk right so it's like those people just become easier to talk to but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're better friendships than the friends that you have that are far away yeah I like doing the long distance catch-up honestly I like it with you I like it

yeah I mean like our best friends are literally like Essex and Barcelona and I mean yeah it doesn't make much of a difference to us really like how far I wish I could see them more obviously but of course yeah

And then having kids, I'm sure that makes it even harder too. It does. Yeah, it does. We still have people around, don't we? Life is still possible to do with children, I've decided. But like, yeah, that is one thing. You do take the hit in terms of you have less you time, don't you? Yeah. Do you guys have like queer, like a queer community where you live now? No. So we don't have a queer community yet.

There are groups, but I don't, like, I've not, like, joined them or anything. Do you know what though? But nobody has battered an eyelid. Nobody has said anything. Nobody blinks twice. Also at the nursery Ziggy was at, there was two gay dads. It's so strange. We've moved to a village and the average, I think the average age has got to be 75. Seriously. And everybody here has been so

Welcoming. Authentically fine with it. Like there's never been like a facade or, you know, and you know people are trying too hard. They've all been so cool. And they're some of the nicest people I've genuinely ever met. Like they are all in retirement. They're so old. And this really religious person in our neighborhood came up to me and was like, yeah, I met a trans person and I listened to her podcast and it was really good. And she was talking about being trans in the church. Like they're really good at that.

our local vicar is a lesbian is a lesbian I know and we're literally in the middle of nowhere so it's we've struck gold here it's like population 17 or something yeah 17 population that's a lesbian vicar yeah she's just going for she's going for a breakup at the moment it's the

the town goss yeah love it yeah love it yeah they're getting a divine god okay lesbians are falling apart everywhere we cannot win these relationships they're tough you guys are really selling you're selling the country lifestyle to me though i'm like great i i might need to get my farm soon get it you need to come and get it you can literally no i know i need to you have to do it yeah it's we can just pick you up from the station easy yeah you've got to come over perfect

I know. I really need to go back. I want to so badly. I want to travel in general. LA is... I love LA, but yeah, I do feel there's some like... It's not that it's toxic. It's just there's just so much happening. I think it's... What a weird world to be like...

I guess like it's weird right now because a lot of people I know are also single. So it's like all these lesbians like navigating their own breakups, their own singleness, sleeping with new people. And it's just like, but are you single? Oh, you guys, I'm dating. I am dating. Interesting. One person or? All right, Rachel. Hi.

This is the first time I've ever even said that. I feel like talking about it, it's so confusing with the podcast of like, again, not knowing how much to share or not share. And then with the podcast, it's so much longer that there's so much more opportunity to share, like so much more to say. Do you think that if you got into a new relationship that you would just be like, whatever, and just share what you want to share? Or do you think that there's... Or is that a curse? Is it a curse? Yeah, what's going on?

It's still it's I still do not know the answer to it. You know what I mean? I think I've talked about it on this podcast before, too. But just like what is the right amount to share? And I think that what I'm the conclusion I'm coming to, I think, is I think I should just share more like share in a like less amount.

like I don't know like a better balance of a way of sharing where people don't get so caught up in like the mystery of it yeah because I think sometimes I think that's really really what happened with my relationship with Carrie is because we never said exactly people were like people tend to text it was like breadcrumbs everything that we gave them was like oh my god oh my god exciting exciting like this is like yeah we were excited we knew what was going on thrill we're like oh my god yeah I know it's so weird and then

- Because coming after such a public relationship, I think I have a tendency to like over correct. So I don't know. This time with my life, I'm like trying to strike that balance, but I think it's hard. And I think I'm a scary person, I think to date in some ways. - In what way? - Because of your online presence. - No, I need to know more. - Just date someone more famous than you.

Okay, perfect. Problem solved. Done. That'll do it. No, I think, yeah, I mean, it's weird that anyone I date can go online. I mean, it's weird that anyone I date can now watch a two-part series of me talking to my ex-girlfriend. It's weird that anyone I date can watch old, old YouTube videos with my first girlfriend. And they can use that to their advantage as well. It's scary, isn't it? That can happen. People being a bit scary with it.

Yeah. And I also, I just feel, I don't feel like, I don't regret anything I've done because I think I didn't, so many decisions I made when I made them, I didn't even under, I didn't understand the impact that they would have like long-term on my life. And I think so many things I did do did create a lot of representation and like, I stand by, I stand by them even though some of them I'm like, maybe I would do that differently. Yeah. But we, we, we all feel like that. Hindsight's a wonderful thing. Yeah. Exactly. That's hindsight. We grow, we evolve. Yeah.

And no one doesn't make mistakes. Like there's not one person. So true. There's not one person, Shannon, who doesn't go to the error store. Yeah. I'm saying that because when we watched your podcast and you said you met, did you meet Fletcher at the Error's Talk? We were an interviewer. I thought you were saying the error store. We couldn't understand your accent, right? So we were like, what is the error store?

store so when people go when they make a huge error yeah we've all been there what is this you

Maybe it was an error store. It was the error store. Could be both at the same time. Are you guys going to see Taylor Swift? Like when does she come over there? I don't know. I would absolutely love to. I would love to. We'd ask to Taylor our wedding. I would love to see Taylor. Oh my god I forgot about that. You guys definitely should. If you can find a way to get there you should go because the show was amazing. We do know people. We'll see you there Shannon and we'll hug. We'll do that. We'll get the

bracelet we'll break the internet yeah let's do it imagine oh my god okay that's what i'll come that's what i'll come to you okay perfect i should just go to a lot happens at the air yes at the aero store yeah at the aero store okay so did you guys film a reaction video yeah we just did we just filmed it yes yeah i'm dead so much to say i mean i'm coming down from it now like there was a lot of emotion can i just say though

I think you both were extremely respectful. I said to Rosie, I said, I feel like both of them have had so much therapy because you were like, thank you for your apology. And she was like, no, thank you. Thank you for thanking me. Yeah. And she was like, valid, valid, fair, that's fair. Can I just say, thank you for sharing. There was so much listening and acceptance. I loved it. It was very healing for everyone involved, including us.

Thank you. I think that really was the goal. Also, just I think the lore of it all. I'm like, let's just...

call a spade a spade this is what it was this is what it is everything is fine like maybe now everyone can move on a little bit yeah you know I can move on now I don't know if I can oh my god I can't wait to watch were you nervous before like yeah making because that was a big thing for you to do to do a whole both of you to both of you a whole two I know I'm really surprised actually but because Rosie was like wow I'm quite surprised that happened and I was like me too I couldn't have done it

You're a bigger person than I am. I definitely was. Well, so we had a long, long talk before we filmed it. Like a different day we talked and I felt like good going into it in a headspace of like, we're on the same page. We're doing the same stuff. We're in the same, we're in a lot of ways in similar parts of our lives, like going through similar like experiences. You're both singers. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. We've both been dating. Obviously, we both dated throughout the last three years, you know, so we've been experiencing some similar things and like we got to talk. Like, I just feel like she became a person to me again. Yeah. And it was like really nice. And then the sitting down part, I was more, it wasn't nervous about like our interaction with each other. The whole time, I'm just like, I hope that this is perceived the way that I want it to be. And I talked a lot about it.

I did talk a lot about it in therapy and my therapist wrote down like on a piece of paper and made me look at it. She's like things you can control and things you can't control. Is this Hillary? Like,

this is Hillary yeah nice yeah so she was like she made me say the things and it was ultimately like there's very little you can control so she's like all you can control is your intention what you do what you say how you say it and she's like and then you have to if you're gonna post it she's like you have you have to decide if this is what you want to do but once you decide she's like then that's it's the world's decision to decide how they feel about it and like

Their reaction is their reaction. So I've been trying to deal with that. It's like, it's a huge...

It's like a lot of people perceiving me at one time, obviously. Yeah. Compared to. Yeah, we get that. And it's hard. It's hard when you know, I think some people will always deliberately perceive it wrong. Some people. Not everyone. But there'll always be some people out there who will think what they're going to think. But there's nothing you can do. It doesn't matter what you do. It's difficult. They don't want to get it. It's difficult being online in general. But being a couple online also, you know, you get so much scrutiny. I mean, you know, everybody said we weren't going to make it. Everybody said you were going to end up with a man. And all those things are true.

It's not nice having people root against you. And like, whether you're together or not, like with you and Fletch now, you're not together. And yet, the people are still, are they, aren't they? You know? Even when you sit down and you say, we are friends, people are still like, are they? We're those people. That's us, yeah. Even I was like, hmm. Yeah, just double check. Well,

I get that also there's an element of it that is entertainment. It's not like the internet is like this. In a way, it's like this is a show. This is a... I am creating content that is meant to be consumed and entertain you in a way. So obviously people are going to run with things the way that they want to. But let's just reiterate one more time. Friends. We are friends. That's all. That's not the outcome of our video. LAUGHTER

It's okay. You guys get it. You have your own show. We have a free pass. We have a free pass. Yeah. How do you think you guys... I have questions now about your online presence. How do you think the internet and like them watching you now for... How long have you guys been online? 10... Over 10 years too? 12? I think like 12. Since 2011. Yeah, 2011. I can't work out. I can't do the maths. I can't do maths either. Where are we? 24? Are we in 24? Yeah. Is it 13 years? Maybe. I think it's 13 years. It's a long time. Yeah.

How does that affect your relationship with each other? You know, I actually think...

unlike maybe a few other couples it's actually benefited our relationship a lot being online because I think we've had so much positive support more so than anything negative over the years and I just think that's been really nice and I feel like we've got a really nice community of people some of which are just the same people like everyone's like you know your young impressionable audience well actually the average audience age I think is like 35 for us now so I'm 35 I'm

Yeah, anyway, sorry. They've grown up with us. They've grown up with us, literally. And I think that's actually made our relationship stronger. What do you think? I think that in a lot of ways, this relationship, for me anyway, and I think for you, is unique for us because it's been online since the beginning, right? Like our third date or something, maybe even our second we filmed a video. So one, we don't know it any other way. It's just always been online. So it's not like we suddenly took it online and it changed the dynamic. Like it's just...

grown along with it. So that's kind of organically happened. So that's fine. And number two, for me, this is my first serious lesbian relationship. It's also my first

serious relationship like longest term relationship and same for you it's obviously the first time we've ever been married as well so I think we're just like forging the way and just we don't know what we're doing but we'll just do our best yeah that's pretty much it and like Rosie said it's all we've ever known so I don't know we haven't had a big change it's not like

And also, yeah, we never like went online with other partners. So it's just like, we got together, we put it online. It is what it is. We just, this is what it is. I don't know any other way. And also I think that because we've always overshared absolutely everything, there's been no mystery. So I feel like we've been almost like avoided that bullet of them being like, oh, but I wonder this, I wonder that. It's like, no, this is what it is. This is us. It's actually got to the point where our followers will like remind me of something that happened in my past that I'd forgotten. Yeah.

Like they actually are my memory at this point. It's insane. Like they'll be like that time. And I'm like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Same. People remember things. I'm like, what? And I'm like, oh my God, that is true. It is weird. It is crazy. The digital footprint of it all is wild. I had someone tracking my period for a while. Cause I was like, guys, I keep forgetting my period. I keep losing my period. It was a while ago. And someone would tweet me back then and be like, oh, just so you know, you're Juwan. And I was like, thanks girly. Like.

Oh my god. They do the work so I don't have to. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. They're the real MVP. They are. But also like with the relationship, if it's not broke, don't fix it. And we just, it works for us. Yeah.

We should keep on keeping on. I'm staying with you guys, by the way. My general demographic, the age, has risen. I have only 0.01% or 0.1% of my followers are under 18. Yeah, same. Literally the same. Everyone is an adult. They grew up with me. I like that. I like that as well. No, it's...

That's how it should be. They've grown adults doing what they want, watching what they want. Yeah. And also there are these new younger queer influencers and I'm sure their demographics are younger and that's...

that's how it should be. As they should, as they should, yeah, the young people don't want to watch us grandmas, yeah. But it's nice because our, our content can mature and evolve, I like to think, you know, and I don't have to keep, like, trying to appeal to really young people, like, I don't want to, you know. But can we also talk about how, when I, when we obviously all started doing YouTube, we didn't have that much representation, right? People were just starting to do it. Yeah.

And now the young people can come on. They've got their young couples, the new Shannons and Rose and Roses, fine. But then they can look up and see older, married with kids and maybe one day grandma lesbians to look up to. Well, we didn't have that. I'd never known a lesbian family. I had no future online. Do you know what I mean? I hadn't got that. I just had everyone else who was doing what we were doing. Yeah.

You know, I got representation from my friends doing the same thing. And I think it's amazing that we're getting older and we're still here, honestly. Yeah, I do too. And we're still like kind of relevant. Yeah. No, it's amazing. I think, who would have thought, honestly? Not about me, just in general. Like, I feel like when we were talking, whatever, whenever we met forever ago, it's like, what are,

It's the classic thing. Like my mom always being like, what are you going to do after this? What are you going to do after this? And I'm like, oh, I don't know. You're still carrying on. Do you know what it's so funny? Cause every year Rosie and I like literally every year for the past four years, we've been like, maybe this is the last year. Yeah. And then,

And then COVID happened and we were like, oh, we'll definitely get, and then COVID was actually really good for like online content because everybody was like inside watching it. Yeah. And it was really thriving and we just keep going. And now I'm not even, I think the fear as an influencer as well is like, what does happen when your time is up or whatever? I've lost the fear. The fear used to be terrible. Now I'm like, whatever. I'll just go do, get a job then. I'll just get a job then. Whatever. It'll be fun. New adventure. Exactly. Same. I'm like, I'm not losing sleep over it anymore. But,

But I used to. It's so crazy. I know. But I used to, too. I used to, too. Especially when my friend, especially when I was like 22.

4 23 and i was watching my friends in like the workforce yeah getting their first promotions and stuff and they weren't just like a recruiter anymore they were like an account manager and i'm like fuck so when i go if when i go because everyone's telling me eventually i'll have to i'm like am i gonna be like an intern like i'm gonna go from this to intern no i think that you've got so many skills like if you actually like put a cv together there's so much there like you would never have to start at the bottom ever

- Yeah, it's so true. I mean, yeah, who knew though? It's crazy. - It's crazy. - Crazy lifestyle. - It's a crazy life. - Other question. - Okay. - How do you, as people who did it, like how do you feel like you know who is the one? How did you know y'all were the one for each other? - God, do you know, I can't remember what it's like to not be with the one now. - I think you just know, Shannon. - I remember. - I know everyone hates that. - No, I remember. - You know. - This is almost creepy.

But I hadn't even... Oh, it's creepy. No, this is really creepy. I hadn't even met Rosie and I knew she was the one because all I knew was a picture. She saw a picture. I'd seen a picture. My ex-girlfriend showed me a picture of her ex-girlfriend who was Rosie. And I was like, oh, did you used to date her? And my ex-girlfriend was like, yeah. And I was like, she's super attractive. Yeah.

It kind of backfired because I obviously was so much more into you than I was for her. No, I don't think it backfired. I think things, just fate, I think life brings... I personally believe life brings you people. But I'm saying I've never felt such an intrinsic...

of knowing someone was the one or you had to go for that person. It was weird. It's like I knew you but I'd never known you. You felt like you already knew me. 100%. Just by seeing a picture. 100%. And all these stories. And now looking back you don't just think that was like you know when you date someone and you don't know them very well so you kind of project you've got an image made up in your head of what they're like and you kind of project it onto them and then you find out who they really are. No you're exactly how I thought you'd be.

And I think when you know, you just know. And I,

like when you know and when you're with that person it's just so easy it's never hard work ever I agree you never have to think people always say relationships are hard and it's like no you go through hard things yeah but it shouldn't it shouldn't always be hard like I've been in a relationship with a girl that was always hard I was like what kind of mood is she going to be in is she going to be reasonable today is she going to be happy today is she going to be like difficult for no reason is she going to be manipulative I just yeah maybe that was just a bad experience but I never

I never have to worry about anything with you. You get up, you're happy all the time. I am a very positive person. Rose knows when things are wrong. Oh yeah. Because I'm naturally a positive person. So if I kind of lose it...

She's like, oh, things are wrong. I'm like, shit, we're fucked. We need to sort it out now. It takes a lot to wear me down and then it hits me. But also I think that because you're so nice and we're so nice to each other and we really do talk to each other and lift each other up every day, I think that that becomes just such a normal thing when you really, really love someone and when you're with the one. I mean, we were just being us and we had someone around the house who was helping us organise when we first moved into this house.

And she was a het woman and she was our age. And she was like, God, you speak to each other so nicely. And I was like... Lots and lots of het people have always said to the girls, they're always like, wow, you're so check in on each other. How do you talk to your male partner? Yeah, that's what I think. What's going on? Or your partner? Like, I don't... I just feel like it's such a normal thing to just be nice to each other.

that was a lot we just gave you a lot of that a lot i think you know shannon i think when you meet the one you'll know i think you'll have a calm peace knowing because everyone gets excited over someone new but i think you'll also have have a quiet calmness of this is it this is it

Yeah. That's what I think. Well, you guys are a beautiful couple and you're such a good... You've created representation. You know what? The internet needed both of us. It needed a couple that worked and then it needed to see the train wreck that is my love life. Just to be like, okay, both things can be true. It's not a train wreck, Shannon. I feel like, obviously, being a friend...

and a fan, we've gone on the journeys of your relationships with you. Yeah. And maybe knowing a bit more than just the average watcher, viewer, because we've met your partners and stuff. And it's not been a train wreck. I think you've done very well, actually. Relationships are either going to end or last forever. Yeah.

That's a 50-50. Yeah, so true. I mean, yeah, I think having three year relationships, I'm like, obviously I'm not the worst at them, but I'm also not the best at them. But three years, that's the right time to call it. It is like, I think they say like three years is kind of like the hump that you're like, okay, are we doing this forever? We're not doing it. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? And I'm just, who, this is...

I'm not a normal person to date. I think that's the scary thing. I think that's cool. I hear a lot of negativity about yourself. Yeah, talk to Hillary about it. Hillary needs to get involved. You've accomplished loads. Yeah, I know. Hillary needs to come back. You're putting your accomplishments and your literal life as, oh, no one wants to date me. I do.

talking about yeah some people in your position would be like everyone wants to date me i've got this channel i've got these this audience i'm a catch i think you need to turn it on its head i do true i i need hillary to come back from whatever family emergency is happening come on hills

I think that the Carrie podcast, the two parts and all that literally came out yesterday, the second part. So I'm just like, obviously it's like an emotional roller coaster of both positive and not, it's not even negative emotions. It's just like, it's a lot though. It's just, yeah, it's stress. You guys went through a lot. You're not doing anything wrong. You're just living your life. Yeah. Yeah.

- And some people live their lives having crazy relationships in LA and some people are just lesbians on a farm with chicks and that's fine. - And that's okay. - And I'm coming to that farm. - Yes, you are. - What's your due date? - The first of September. - You should come on the first of September. - Yeah. - Is that a Scorpio? - It's a Virgo. - No, it's a Virgo. Let's not talk about it.

- Wait, you're Pisces? - I'm a Pisces. What are y'all? - Gemini. - We're Gemini. We're both Gemini. - You're both Gemini. - Yeah, but we don't have the same birthday. - Unfortunately we don't. - You know what? It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Tell me about a Gemini 'cause I honestly don't really know. - They're great. - Duality. It just means, yeah, duality, there's two of them, they're twins. - Well, very, I'd say extrovert actually, wouldn't you? - I think there's both. It's duality. - Creative, artistic, a bit of duality in the sense that

- That could mean anything. - So Geminis are sexy. I really like Geminis, Leos and Libras. They're my favorite. - And Pisces. - And Pisces. - Pisces is my mom. - And my sister. - Oh. And do you like these people? - They are great. - Some of them. - Not your mom. - Okay, shit. No, it's not either. But I like you, Shan. Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - No, it's good. - It seems to work. - It's good. - It seems to work. - Yeah.

this theory about the child's order theory about dating and they're saying that the best, yes, the first child should date the last child and that they'll work and if you both are in the same place. From different families. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

got it and if you're in the same placement it won't work so if the first child gets with a first child but we're both the youngest we're not though i'm a middle i forget that you're the youngest i was the youngest then my mom had two more kids so i grew up as a middle child with older and younger right okay so yeah who knows you've got to have different it's really interesting it sounds yeah that yeah yeah i'm now i'm thinking of mine i'm like i dated a youngest and then i did the oldest and what are you

She's the youngest. I'm the youngest. But then I'm also, then I became the middle because I grew up with two step siblings for like 10 years. Okay. Yeah. And they were like three and six when they came into my life. So they were like little. Little. Yeah. So you're then kind of parentified and you are in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like I've had a lot of, it makes you a weird person, I feel like, to go from like the youngest and then to jump to the middle or like whatever. Like you experience a bit of it.

a bit of it all yeah you were spoiled for a bit and then then you would cast aside exactly you're not like the cutest little one anymore i don't know though so i should be trying to date what i do well i'm a middle and rose is the youngest it's working just any one of us you'll be fine i can't wait for our that would be a real plot twist polyamory wouldn't it you can join in shannon i wouldn't mind would you ever have an open relationship

No, I wouldn't. No, I couldn't cope with that. Not with you. I wouldn't with anybody. I wouldn't with anybody. I truly feel I'm too old for that. I know you did it, Shannon. I can't, I just can't be bothered. I'd be too jealous. I'd be single and get with loads of people or not.

that's fine by me I didn't like it when I was in it by the way yeah it was more of like I think it was like a desperate yeah I don't want to break up so I'll do whatever it's a compromise I get it I think that even though despite agreeing that it's open I think I'd feel guilty how can you oh I know I wouldn't feel guilty I'd feel jealous of the other person yeah I'd be like oh yeah no it would hurt me too much no I couldn't the weird thing I didn't really the weirdest part was I didn't feel jealous and I didn't feel guilty I just felt

like I had to hook up with her. I was like, I was like, if we're open, then I'm going to do it. Yeah. You don't want to just be sat there while someone else is. Yeah. But it was. And then the thing that was weird is I actually really didn't want to hook up with the people. I'm not in a bad way, but I did it.

for the wrong reasons. Like I did it because I was like, okay, you're doing it. I'm doing it as well. Yeah. Yeah. But I was really able to be like out of sight, out of mind. I, I never asked. We were don't ask, don't tell kind of vibe. And I never wanted to know. Cause if I can't see it, like if I can't picture it, it's not real to me. So if you, if you, if it was out of sight, out of mind, did it add fire to the relationship or did it not? Did it make it sexier? Cause some people I think feel like,

I think some people do that to spice things up, but I feel like it's actually a disaster. I think it made me resentful. I think I just felt resentment. I don't think it was fiery at all. There were times when I've been in an on and off thing that it did become fiery, but not in the openness part of it. But yeah, that's different. In an on and off, it's like, do they want me back? Yeah, that's more like a drug. That's literally addiction. Yeah, that's an addiction. I can see that. But yeah, I don't think...

I said in a podcast episode with Zoe that I was like, I don't think I could get married to someone without openness, like being on the table as an option. And I feel like people took it the wrong way, as in that I'm like, I really expect to be in an open relationship at some point in my life, which is not the case at all. I just think, I don't know, if I'm 60 years old and me and my wife are 60 and I'm like, we're like, should we just like one night go out and see what happens? Yeah.

I want that to be, I want that to be something we can talk about. Not, it doesn't even have to be something that for sure happens. I just, I think it's, I think it's like an anxiety of commitment, like a fear of commitment, you know? So, so,

it does sound like that so you're open to marriage and like how does marriage make you feel like is that like something that you're working towards or is that like just something that you wouldn't be opposed to or is it something that you really want in life like is that the goal i think i definitely want to get married one day okay i want to have a forever partner and just like for like that the sake of like partnership even you know what i mean like i don't i want

someone to do life with yeah until you're 60 yeah and then i want to go crazy even like the open thing i'm like it could be a threesome i'm not saying it's uh like let's shall we do that thing you know when people are like oh if i'm 30 and and i'm not with anyone let's get married she would be like right if we're we're all 60 i'm not gonna have sex when i'm 60 i'm gonna stop when i'm 50 why why

If we're all 50 and we haven't had a threesome. I've never had a threesome. I've never had a threesome. 50 is only 20. I can't remember. Great. Okay. I do not remember that. I've never had one, but it's never appealed to me though. I don't think I have.

even number of people so I'm like hold on now that's ways of making it work I'm sure that I'm sure you've got drawings have you got drawings on you yeah yeah I'm sure this ways of making it work but it depends who and what and the circumstance okay well okay I'm not gonna I think in a threesome it's all about timings that would be my worry because you know I just worry about timings I worry that someone would plan something like that like yeah let's have a threesome and then like what if it was over very quickly like very very quickly and then they're like right guys over before it started and

Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do. And it's the whole excitement. And then someone's left out. Dush. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I can't. Threesomes come up so much on this podcast, by the way. It must be a me situation. Maybe it's in your subconscious. Maybe. Me and Zoe were talking about threesomes last night. And I was talking about, like, I don't think...

I could ever have a guy be in a threesome with me ever. Like that makes sense. That makes sense. Shannon. Yeah. Yeah, totally. But I feel like some, I feel like some lesbians even are like, would be open to that if they don't have to touch the guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit, it's a bit different. It's a bit taboo. Maybe there's a bit of voyeurism. Yeah.

- Yeah, exactly. - And then I'm touching someone but someone's watching. - A bit of jealousy. - Exactly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I know, well, and then I was talking to Zoe about it and I was like, you know, I feel like maybe there's someone I could date that I could like sit in the corner and watch but I'd have to be fully clothed. And then we both looked at each other and I was like, did I just say I wanna be cuckold?

Isn't that what that's called? That is what that's called. Wow. I don't want that. You don't want that. I don't. It was just... No. Not for me. We were just chatting, you know? But sometimes you say something and I'm like, what the fuck am I talking about? I don't want to do that. Anyway. I definitely couldn't be a just watch. No. I think I could. No, I'd feel creepy about it. I wouldn't. No. I'd feel creepy. Get involved or go home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I think voyeurism is cool. Like if you're watching from like a New York apartment into someone else's New York apartment. That kind of voyeurism because it's no strings attached. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true. Being in the room is strange. That's a lot different. Also, if you're fucking with like the blinds wide open, you want people to watch. Right? There's Shannon with her telescope. Yeah.

I'm like, you want me to watch this? This is not even, this doesn't even happen to me. Okay. I'm just talking a lot. We have to talk about sex at some point. X's and L's. Hit me with your questions. Hit me with it. Hit me with it. Hit me with your sex questions. Okay. What time do you guys have to leave by the way? We have to go at. We've got like 12 minutes. We've got like 12 minutes. So hit me with questions. Okay. How do you guys avoid lesbian bed death?

- I don't know if lesbian bed death's a real thing. You know it was coined by a man. - Listen, listen though, but it is real because when I did my, I did an advice question thing with my, I have a phone number set up that people can call and text. And the number one thing that I got was people being like, how do I avoid lesbian bed death? And or like, I'm experiencing it now, how do you fix it? - Okay, I went to, oh go on, go on. - I was just gonna say, I don't think anybody,

what however they whatever orientation i don't think you're ever going to go through periods of having sex all the time all the time all the time and i think the first thing you've got to do is accept that there will be times where exactly where you're both not feeling it or one person's not feeling it or injury or illness we've gone through phases of having less sex i think we talk about it and i think that's the best thing to do because if i'm like oh you know are you are you feeling it are you cool and if bruce is like you know what i'm really stressed i'm really tired with the baby right now i'm not really feeling it i'm like

So yeah, number one, I think we do communicate 100%. Because I think it's always fine as...

if it's because of reasons, you know, like I, like Rose said, I'm ill or I feel stressed. That's a perfectly valid reason and will happen. But if, you know, if it's, oh, I'm not having sex with you because I don't want to and I'm attracted to somebody else, then that's different, isn't it? But I read in The Guardian a big article. It wasn't about lesbian bed death, but it was about expectations of sex. And this is what I think people think is bed death and,

it was really interesting it said you know when you first get with someone obviously you're like jumping in each other's knickers every second right because you just so obsessed with each other and obviously that's not going to carry on like that you know all the way to this I mean it would be great but it's not life happens and things happen right um

And then people think it should be as spontaneous like that. But me and Rose do plan it, right? Yeah. Sometimes we have to. Yeah. And it sounds not sexy. And I think people think, oh, but I don't want to plan it and show up. But I think actually that's how you avoid stuff like that. Because instead of waiting for the moment to catch you, maybe if you've got one kid with one on the way, maybe when we've got two kids, maybe it won't be so much like,

tearing each other's clothes off as I really want it you really want it let's schedule a time when we can do it and it sounds really unsexy and I don't think it's like this for everybody it's real life when we first had Ziggy and he was like really small like it was it was quite stressful wasn't it like you do have less time and less paranoia as well so actually like when he was small there was we did do it

But it was stressful because of my mind. I didn't want to be worried. I'm paranoid. Yeah. And honestly, looking back, I was probably just a hormonal paranoid because you could put him somewhere and leave him and go and do it. Yeah. So actually we did do it, but it took me a while to get into it because I'd be like, is he okay? I do. I do think it,

think it's really a really normal thing and I think that people really panic if it happens to them like yeah I don't even know the average of how like in quotes like how often people should have sex yeah like how much sex should you be having yeah I don't know really different for everybody and I don't think anyone should can

And if you're happy with it as well, because there are people who get sex, but still it's not enough and maybe still aren't satisfied. And then... Yeah. I think me and Rose really go with the flow of it. So it could be more and then it could be less. It's not like we do it twice a week. Like it's not like that. And I don't like it like that, but I'll be like, I'm feeling really horny lately. Let's do it. I don't even count. Like I don't... It's not...

a big deal to me. Yeah, I don't count either. You know, like, as in it's not a big... But that's obviously not a worry that I need to count. Yeah, it's not a worry. Yeah, that's what I mean by it's not a big deal. It's not a worry for me. So, yeah, phases. But we're really good at talking about stuff because there's been all sorts of things...

Like, obviously, I go on about this. I feel like I go on about it all the time. But when I gave birth to Ziggy, I had a third degree tear. It changed my relationship with my vag for a bit, you know? And Rose was... We talked about it all the time, like... And Rose was so careful and went with it and made me feel so much better about it, you know? And I'm so lucky. And I do think this is because I have a wife and not a husband. But, like...

Even when I just gave birth, Rose looked at my stitches and stuff. And I feel like if I was with a man, I feel like I'd be worried to show. I wouldn't want him seeing that. But I felt comfortable. And then it didn't put you off either. Like I worried that that's what you'd see when you went down. No, I was like, all I see is the actual tear happening. You saw it and it's worse. Yeah, yeah. But no, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But you were brilliant. Thanks, babe.

you guys are so fucking cute sick uh I think that that going back to the unsexy thing about like planning it I think that rather like other than thinking of it as like unsexy I think it's more of thinking like this is a priority so you're making sex a priority in your relationship that's such a good way of saying it yeah and also like um I know when

you plan it it's not the same as being in the moment but you plan to be in the moment so when you get there you know it's going to be good so you leave the day yeah and i do think sometimes you've got to push through because sometimes if if you haven't had sex for a while you're

you feel a bit like awkward about it but you've just got to get through it. But it's never been awkward. It hasn't but you've just got to for some people you've just got to push through and be like do you know what oh my god we're so silly like you know let's get back on that train like ridiculous like stop worrying about it. I also like planning it because then when we plan we're like

you know we know like the child is somewhere else like at nursery or whatever and I don't know I know it's all perfect then when it's planned because I get to shower and be physically ready and you know and it's not a rush job you know when we actually have fun yeah it's true yeah it's a lot of fun yeah yeah

You guys are so cute. It's so sweet. Yeah, I feel like there's got to be so many layers. I'm having a sex therapist on my podcast who's like a queer sex therapist. So I'll also ask her this question. But I feel like you guys are a good case study considering you've been together for that long. So obviously things are going well. They're going well. I think there's something about like...

I know for me personally, I have to be feeling really good about a relationship to want to have sex also. So there have been dry spells in my relationships when things don't feel copacetic. I feel like with me and you...

It's not about that. I feel like we have to be feeling good about ourselves. Yeah. Because if I feel not sexy and same with Rose, that's what crosses the barrier. Yeah. If we're not feeling good about ourselves. That's so true. That's our biggest barrier. If ever I'm like, sorry babe, I feel gross.

I'm like, don't look at me, Rosie. Yeah. Literally. I feel awful. Yeah. Yeah, that's so true. And things like, since having a baby and now you're pregnant, are changing bodies, things like that. It affects, you know? It causes, you know. It does. It does. Yeah, it does. I think that's our biggest barrier. So essentially, but I think I could do it with you when I'm mad.

That's better. It is better. If anything, it probably makes me want it more. Yeah, you go? Yeah. Some people are like that and I've had relationships where people are like that. They're like, I don't care if we just fought. And I'm like, the problem is I do. I care. Right. I like a bit of makeup sex. I like it. Yeah, I do. I would like makeup sex, but I feel like if the conflict doesn't actually feel resolved,

to me. The sex is not gonna it will not make me feel resolved. If anything I'll just be in my head the whole time. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Okay wait I have one more question for you. That's fine. I have a million questions. I could do this for fun. We can always do a part two Shanna. Oh my god. We can. Okay comment below if you guys want a part two. If you want a part two if you want it because we just got to the sex and I've got to go pick up my child so. Damn it. Why did we have children? Okay my one question is for Rose on like I feel like you

a little less feminine, right? Would you say? I don't want to put words in your mouth. 100%. You feel that way? I always think about this because I always think about when I, if I have a baby, if I carry the baby, like, am I wearing my same like little tomboy outfits and just like- Yes, you are. And how- And it looks cute. I know. You wear what you wanted to wear pregnant. You had a vision, didn't you, of being pregnant? 80s dungarees mom. That's what you wanted to wear.

to be an 80s mom and you do it i took a picture of you the other day you said you look how you want converse or high tops yeah yeah i think i honestly think like i like i i i worried i worried about the same thing actually yeah and i thought oh my god you know because you had a very different pregnancy you were in dresses all the time very femme and i was like that's just not me and i'm not going to pretend that it's me and i'm not going to start that way because that's not authentic you know and i've just at the moment i'm wearing anything that fits

But no, I'm just going to carry on wearing exactly the same stuff. I've never really... You want to feel cool in yourself. Well, yeah, but I've never been very confident with anything that I've worn ever. So I'm just thinking, you know, I'm not going to try and change... You've got to feel good. And if you don't feel good in a dress, don't put it on. I know. Because I will feel uncomfortable. You're already out of your comfort zone being pregnant. It's already different. Don't get me wrong. Sometimes I do like wearing a dress, but like it's not my go-to. Like it would never be what I would choose first.

No, I think I'm rocking it. You are rocking it. You look great. I haven't got a bra. Shannon, you'd be cute pregnant. Really cute. Thank you. No, seriously. I'm like, again, look at you making representation again. Because I do feel like I relate more to you and your pregnancy than I have with many people. Like I've seen lesbian couples that have been pregnant. Because so often it does seem like the person is like the femme one is pregnant. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

It's so funny because I was quite hurt by a comment on one of our videos once when I said I'm trying to do... I'm going through IVF. And someone said, I can't imagine Rose pregnant. And I know that was just because I'm more of like a tomboy or less feminine. And I said to Rosie, like, why can't you...

I'm going to go and get pregnant now. I'm going to wear what the fuck I want. You know what I mean? And it's true. It's like people just don't put two and three together. You'd look weird in a dress if you were, do you know what I mean? If I'm not, it's not you. It's not you. I know. I know. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. But to be fair to that person's comment, they also can't picture it because there is very little representation. Yeah. Do you know what?

Shannon when we were doing our Spotify podcast about pregnancy I looked up photo shoots for like an idea and there was no lesbian with a baby photo shoots you know yeah you know like there was none there was nothing out there there was not one yeah so it's

And now you guys get to be it. It's, it is, we are in a weird, we are in a unique position of, in some ways, we are trailblazers and things. Like, I said the other day, sometimes I'll look on Pinterest, like, lesbian outfit, and my picture will show up. And I'm like, I don't, that's not helping me. Oh!

- Yeah, maybe it is. - There's just like, I don't know. I mean, every day it gets better and there's more and more representation, but I appreciate you guys. You guys have been representation for me in my personal life. - Thank you, Shannon. - And now Rose, you are with your pregnancy too and I get to watch and I'm like, I can't wait to see your little outfits. Please post more of your outfits. - I will. I actually have to go shopping 'cause I've reached a stage where nothing fits me and I've got no maternity wear. - You haven't bought any maternity wear. - I haven't bought anything. - You're wearing some of mine. - So it's something that I'm gonna go off and do and yeah.

It's going to be fun. Please share the journey though with everyone because I would love to see it. Okay, I will. I love you guys. Thank you so much for being on my podcast. I would 100% do a part two. Me too. I feel like we barely answered anything about sex so just... Yeah. I have a thing to show you. What? Do you? Yeah. Now you have to wait for part two. A device. Oh, okay. Thank you. It was fun.

- What was it for, my anniversary present? - I had some gardening secateurs and Rosie had a dildo. - It's insane, it looks like a spanner, it's really interesting. - Okay, this is a great teaser. - Right? - We're doing, yeah, marketing is gonna work. Okay, you guys, thank you to everyone who's watched or listened wherever you are. Rate the podcast or like or comment, whatever. If you wanna see a part two with Rose and Rosie, let us know below. This was so fun, I love you guys so much. You are the best. - We love you too.

you're the best no stop you are okay tell ziggy i say hi and yeah congrats on everything that's going on in your life it seems awesome oh also you guys follow them on everything and do you guys have anything like coming up that's big other than a whole ass baby just a baby we're just working on a baby at the moment yeah follow my tiktok if you want rose and rose i don't even

It's okay. I'll put all the links in the description below so you guys can follow them on everything. You should watch their content. They're amazing. They're so fucking funny. So, okay. Bye y'all. I'll let you go get your child. Thank you. Okay. Good luck.