Revisiting 'Chrisley Knows Best': Chrisley Trial Updates, Reading Mean Comments and more
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It is what it is. It's one of those days. Leave it. Where's Tara? If you see my phone. What the hell is this pillow? That's supposed to be here. No, I don't like it. That's your phone. Looks like a dog's pillow. Looks like a dog's pillow. Are we recording? Am I starting or are you starting? Why don't you start? Because I don't want to start. You didn't want to come. I did. My date.

do y'all ever have days to where you're like, all right, this is going to be a good day. Like everything's planned out. Perfect. And then you wake up this morning for me. I went to work out. It couldn't even work out in peace because of all the bullshit bullshit people around me that just want to stir the pot. It was just, I just couldn't. So basically my whole day went to shit. Anything you want to talk about? I mean, my legs are soft. I did shave them this morning. That's good. And you don't always get around to that. No, it feels good.

So that's my highlight of the day, soft legs. I got a couple things. Well, where do we want to start? So going into this year, we've talked about flipping the script some and having you interviewed by me, by other people, the ones that will ask the hard-hitting questions that know that, I mean, I guess you don't have to forgive us, but the ones who hope that you can forgive us because we're good enough friends. Yeah.

Yes. Well, but also, too, I've kind of wanted to flip the script and have guests on and be, you know, half the time me interview them and then they flip the script and interview me. Yeah, because everyone asks different questions. Yeah. So we have a couple of things today. I don't think we're going to get to the whole hard-hitting interview. Okay. So we may have to do a part two for that because of the way the day has gone, which is not in your favor. It's not in my favor. I have to say my life is not quite as hard as yours. But...

Let's start with, okay, so all that to say, we may not get to all the tough stuff today, but we may get to some questions that people wanna ask, some questions that I wanna ask. And also I have some fun stuff planned of recaps of looking back at like cringy videos of you on "Chrisley Knows Best" back in the day. - Oh my God, no. Why would you do that to me? - Because it's funny. And I thought it'd be, I mean, time has done you well. Let me just say.

I get better with age like fine one you do thank God. It's definitely an acquired taste 100% It was a funny insult okay people will like before we go into it people Do you think your mole switches sides of your face? Do you know that yeah? It's the wildest thing. I'm like you're like. It's called a selfie. It's called a selfie It's called the way the camera flips things. I don't just pick it up and move it Do you think people think you draw it on oh yeah people think yeah people think it's fake oh?

So where do you want to start? Do you want to start with the hard-hitting stuff or do you want to start with the funny stuff? Start with the hard-hitting stuff. Okay, wait a second though. Because it's juicier. Here's the first hard-hitting thing. Can you recap, even though you went on Instagram Live, today recording is Thursday. Yes. And this episode will come out, it won't come out for...

Over a week. Yeah. Right. So, but tell us in like a short abbreviated format, what the developments were with your parents that happened this week. Okay. So they came to a settlement with the Georgia department of revenue because it's been a fight for years and mom and dad went to prison for conduct that the Georgia department of revenue and the feds alleged happened, which did not happen. We got a million dollar settlement from the Georgia department of revenue and

due to their illegal conduct. Can you talk anything about what that was? So your parents, I'm trying to understand this too. Your parents essentially sued. So where it started, there was a state case and then they settled the state case. Correct. But this agent that was working on the state case, the main agent, he ended up working with the feds. So he did all of, he had all of this misconduct and he ended up working with the feds. So the federal case was built off the state case.

But the state case was all lies and illegal misconduct by the investigators that were spearheading the whole investigation. Okay. So what we're saying now is, okay, well, how are you paying us a million dollars and they're still sitting in prison? Because it all started. Because the federal case was built on the grounds that started on the state level. Yes. Okay. So basically what y'all are saying is it kind of,

like debunked isn't the right word but it's like messing with the cornerstone of what really led to a federal indictment yes exactly okay yeah interesting so what do you what does that do for you people it's a million dollars will you see any of that where is it going no it restitution no it goes to lawyers it's it's all for the lawyers to deal with like it's all at a

It's all for lawyers to deal with. Yeah. And that wouldn't, I don't see any of it. It's not, I see nothing that wouldn't fix it. Would it? No, it wouldn't fix it. And to my thing is it's like great a million dollars, but like they've been sitting in prison for over a year. So like, yeah, I just, now for us, it just helps people to better understand what has happened. It also raises a lot of red flags and a lot of people have questions. I mean, how are you alleging these people did these things, but you're paying them.

Yes. That's the biggest question. The biggest thing for you is that it sounds like it's it's a break in the situation because it kind of affects public not kind of affects public opinion. It does. It could. Yeah, it does. I mean, the amount of people it's crazy. And my social media has been blowing up because people are like, wait, this doesn't make sense.

Make this make sense to me. How are they sitting in prison, but you just paid them a million dollars? Yeah. Like you don't pay someone a million dollars if you didn't do anything wrong, you know? Right. So it basically, it shows that there is some fallibility inside. Yes. The system. Okay. Well, I just wanted to get an update on that. Let's do, let's do a couple of questions from people that asked Instagram questions that people wanted to know. And then we'll switch to some funny stuff and then we'll come back to hard hitting. Okay. What do you...

So let's say your parents, when your parents get out, what do you think the transition is going to be like from you going back from a parental role into a sibling role? Have you thought about that? It's going to be really hard when mom and dad come home because on their side of things, like they're going to have insane PTSD. They're going to, I mean, it's going to be really tough mentally. They're going to need a lot of help to recover from what has happened because

And it's also going to be hard because the kids and I at this point are used to our schedule, you know, like they they're used to maybe how I parent and how I show up and all these different things. So it's not just going to be like mom and dad come home and here you go, because we all need time to adjust. And at the end of the day,

I will always be sister to them. Right. But I have had to step into a parental role. So it's like, hey, I'll still be here as whatever you need me to be here as. I think now it's just going to be more of a group effort with mom and dad because roles have been so... It's so unconventional. Would you struggle, you think, to relinquish any of that at this point? No. No. It's a hard and quick no. No. No problem. Because...

We've made it very clear, like, through this whole thing. Like, I'm not your mom. I'm not your dad. Like, I'm your sister. Right. And I'm loving you and showing up for you as a parent would. But, like, I'm your sister. So... And they're both very independent, like, old souls. Mm-hmm. They just both are. Those kids are like a freak of nature. It's like nothing I've ever seen before. So I don't think I would struggle by any means because...

We all want mom and dad home, you know? How do you feel like the kids' view of you has shifted? Do you think, you kind of addressed it because you're like, I'll always be their sister. Yeah. I'll always be their sister, but their view of me has shifted and the respect aspect of all of it. I mean, especially Grayson. He sees like how I show up and how I struggle and how I do.

work and provide and all these things so he has a different level of respect for me now than he did before before I was just cool fun sister and now he's like there there aren't many women like you like that's what he says because he sees how tough it is to especially in today's day and age the economy the everything I mean inflation's at an all-time high like it's wild and

He sees me just work my ass off every single day. So because of that, it's shown. He just has so much more respect for me. What's the biggest mess up that you've had since falling into this temporary mom role? Biggest mess up? And did you admit it? Mm.

When Grayson got a speeding ticket, that was probably my biggest mess up. How so? Because I like lost my cool and I lost my cool, not because he got a speeding ticket, but because of all the ramifications that come along with that, how expensive it is, how much time it takes away, how much like all these different things. And it was for me, it was just like, okay, here's one more thing that I have to deal with. And I lost my cool, but

I will never forget. I was in the car with Robert and we were looking at Christmas lights and racing calls and tells me he gets a speeding ticket. And I was like, have you like, I lost it. Like it just, I saw red and I lost it, but it was because I was so anxiety filled. I had so much pressure on me and all these other four like areas of life that I

And that was just the camel that broke, like the straw that broke the camel's back, I guess. That was the toughest part. And then afterwards, I was like, okay, you know what? I'm sorry for responding that way. How did he respond to you apologizing? Was he receptive or he's like, yeah, fucking right. No, no, he was receptive. He was, Grayson's not like, you know, like Grayson's very, like,

He didn't get in trouble. He doesn't. And he's normally nine times out of 10, super respectful. Right. So like I had to apologize and that's where I went wrong. And I had to realize that like, Hey, why am I yelling at him? Because I don't, when someone yells at me, it doesn't register. Like it goes in one ear and out the other. So like I have the ability when someone's yelling at me to completely shut off and I will not hear a word that you just said to me.

I just, it's just how my mind works. So then I thought, okay, but like, why am I doing that to him? And that's not the type of relationship I want with him for him to be afraid to come and tell me things because I flip out on him. So I want him to know that when he comes to me, it's a safe space. I may not like it, but I have to learn how to communicate my dislike or anger better than yelling. Yeah. I think was my biggest thing. When, do you know why that's your default?

Yeah. I mean, well, that's not your only default. I don't want to cut you off. So don't lose your thought. It's either like you'll be like look like you're about to fall asleep and be like, I don't care. Like just over it or you yell. Yeah. I think. Almost never cry. No. No. I think because a lot of my life I've spent fighting, like internally fighting to just stay alive in a way. So my whole life has been a fight.

You know? Right. And that's something, a cycle I'm trying to break. That's actually a really, really good transition because that made it seem like you are good with numbers.

And other things in your past have made it seem like you're not that good at numbers. What do you mean? We pulled, I thought everyone would enjoy this. So we pulled some old Chrisley Knows Best clips. Savannah and I are going to watch them together and we'll put them full screen for everybody else to watch. And then I'm going to have you respond to them in real time. Okay. Are people listening audio going to be able to hear the clip? As long as USA ain't going to sue us. Yeah, no, they're not. I mean, it's on.

Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna play it through so people with audio you'll be able This has the basically the whole family in it and a lot of these clips do and so you'll be able to tell if you've ever seen The show who's who Grayson's very little in this how old's Grayson in this Savannah? Let me say oh god Grayson was like, I don't know 10. Yeah little Yeah, and you're probably how old I mean what age difference nine years Yeah, that's right. That's about right. Oh

Okay, so this clip is from Chrisley Knows Best. I don't know what season, but Savannah is trying to help Grayson with his math homework. Oh, I know where this is going. Y'all are so wrong for this. And here it is. We're going to watch it in real time. Jack had $10. He bought a pair of socks for $2.30 and a pair of gloves for $5.50. How much money did he have left?

I don't know which is worse, sitting here watching y'all try to teach him math or me thinking that y'all could teach him math. You remember this? I do. I was so confident. What are you doing? He's in like the third grade, Max. $10 minus $7.80. So $3.20. The whole family's trying to help. He started with $10, right? And this ended up with $3 and some change. Yeah.

I'm on shot with that fella because he got his product plus walked out with some extra. What are you saying? He's got $10. Todd's losing it. But that's not extra. Take $7.80 from $10. I get that. That's why I have $3. You. Grayson, you come with me. Remember that? Yep, I remember that. Do you miss filming?

I miss like filming with my family. Yeah. How much of that, this is another question people were asking, how much of that was organic? There was a lot of it that was scripted. I mean, like they probably told you that you're like, okay, the scene is you're in the living room helping Grace with math homework and then you just see what happens. Yeah, exactly. There was sometimes though that they would want us to say certain things or like, especially in the interview set up to where they would definitely just feed us all the lines. Yeah. So I mean,

a good bit of it that was scripted but that I wish I could say that was scripted I wish I could it'd be better for you if it was it would be a lot better

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- Oh my God. - No offense. - This might be two different clips. - I don't even know how it's possible. I got 99 on my-- - This hair, Savannah. - I know. - That shows you how dysfunctional the Georgia DMV actually is. - You're gonna have to stick to the story. - Still talking shit about Georgia. - If they find out what actually happened, then I'm gonna get in so much trouble. And I didn't do anything. - Our story is going to be that somebody backed into me and left, okay? - That was before my nose job.

- Like you haven't lied before? Make sure I keep my story straight. - If you were so stupid that you tell-- - That answers some fan questions about your nose job. - Okay. - If you're gonna lie, stick with one lie. - Okay, I'm not gonna act like I'm not guilty. - Okay, well you need to OJ this one. - Didn't age well. - Stop! - Here it is. - Stop making mess. If you get on the floor, you're in trouble. - Little did you know. - It would behoove y'all to sit down. - So little.

Wayne Grayson's with me. He's great. He's an angel. Oh my god, my hair there. What was I thinking? I don't know. Some of these are so bad, dude. See, and I see that. What is a cartoon? It's not good. You look like you're at a Christmas pageant. Stop. Bruise easy. See, don't have kids. Don't have kids. So...

There's lots of questions about the show, next reality show. And you've talked a lot about that. Like y'all have filmed a pilot. Yes. What can you say? So we partnered with Scout production company and we have filmed a whole pilot sizzle reel type deal and they pitched it to networks and networks are interested. The whole rider strike screwed Hollywood up. Everything got put on hold and now everyone's having to completely revamp

everything when it comes to their budgeting. So there is a network that we're like in super tight negotiations with hopefully to the end of it, but it's all just, it's all timing. You know, it doesn't happen overnight, but it's definitely happening.

Do you, and you foresee it happening in like the not too distant future, right? For sure. And it's going to be a less scripted. Way less scripted. So like reality. Reality. Yeah. I mean, I, heck, I hope that we're filming whenever we go to the, you know, oral arguments for the appeal. Which.

April. It's the week of April 15th. Okay. So that's really soon. Yeah. Now that doesn't mean people are going to see it that soon. So if you filmed in April and just kept filming, you likely wouldn't see it until November or later. Okay. So it could be within the year though. Yeah. Okay. And hopefully mom and dad come out.

come home on that show. Speaking of reality television, would you ever work with Gypsy Rose on prison reform? Okay. So we talked about her the other day and I didn't really know that much because I can sometimes like get in a little bit of a bubble, but I started watching the dramatization like series last night and watch three episodes. I couldn't stop. Really? Okay. So that's what I want to do this weekend. You haven't seen it? No. Watch all the Gypsy Rose stuff.

I would definitely love to have conversation with her and discuss it with her. And I mean, she knows firsthand what it's like to be inside behind bars, how women are treated, how women are treated differently than men, the facilities, all these different things. So I would definitely love to talk with her and hear more about her story. Because like I said, we all end up

Gosh, that's been a morning. I believe like we all end up where we're at today because of our own past experiences. So again, not saying we'll never advocate for, you know, violence by any means, but look at how she was treated as a child. Look at the abuse that she endured. So I would love to sit down with her. Okay. Just speak it into the universe. Um, Ooh, that's tough. Hold on. I'm just really going in on your relationship.

They want to know if you're going to marry Robert. If I'm going to marry Robert? She doesn't know what she's eating for dinner, y'all. I don't know what I'm eating for dinner tonight, okay? And it also takes someone being divorced to be able to get married again. It does feel like that would be a really good prerequisite to the question. Let's just hold all the is she going to marry Robert questions until Robert's divorced. Yeah, thank you. Then we'll go from there. Thank you. Which friend of yours do you fight with the most? You. Is it really me? Yeah. Sometimes you're just an asshole.

I will reflect that statement right back to you. I mean, that's not... No, we just... I'm going to ask you... Honestly, we just have hit... We're just in like a lull in our relationship. A lull? Yeah. What do you mean? We're just like not in a good place. You don't think we're in a good place? No. Why? You're going to tell me this right now? Are you doing this for a reaction? No. Like we're just like in like a little...

You think we're in a rut? Yeah, we're in a rut. That's what I meant. Were you going to say anything? Well, I just thought we'd ride it out. Do you want to talk about anything? I just can't believe you're just like sitting on that. Honestly, I think we just don't hang out as much anymore. Okay. Okay. Well, us being busy is one thing, but to say like a lull indicates it's really boring. A rut indicates like we're not doing well. And if we're not doing well, I'd like to know. Just put me on the list of people that you're going to like. No, we're good. We're just not.

We haven't seen each other as much. Yeah. And I get kind of, I start getting in my feels. You do. Yeah. Yeah. You lash out with anger. Yeah, I do. You know, it'd probably go a lot further if you just called me crying and said that you wanted to hang out. That would like. That works. Hey, come to New York this weekend. Okay. What day? Okay. What day? Tomorrow? Hey, yeah, we're all going. So you're going to New York to do what? Uh, film a pilot.

For a show. Oh, really? I thought you were doing another interview. No, it's for a true crime show. Well, it looks really. Yeah. Well, it looks like if I'm going to mend our relationship back when I didn't even know it was damaged, I should probably clear my schedule. What today? There's a ton of misconceptions about your family. Do you still feel like there's a lingering misconception about you or do you feel like you clear a lot of them up?

I don't know. I try not to read a lot of stuff. I'm not quite sure what the misconception about me could be because I've been very vocal and open and honest that I'm not out here acting like I'm not this millionaire that's out here. I work my ass off every single day to provide for these kids. I'm no better than anyone else to have to work and to have multiple jobs, which I do. I feel like I've cleared pretty much all of it up. I don't know. Have you seen any?

Honestly, I feel like there, even though there's like overarching conceptions about your family and what's going on, I feel like all of this happening has maybe even

I feel like people stand behind you more than they did. Yeah, 100%. If anything, this has only helped. I mean, the amount of people that support and love and are constantly on my social media pages is huge. Yeah, I agree. And actually, we tried to pull some hate comments because we talked about this the other day. Oh, I love that. You don't have, like... I mean, you have a lot of social to go through, so obviously we missed some stuff, but there's not...

They're not that good. Really? Your haters aren't that funny. Really? They're like, stop getting Botox. And like to that, she'll say no. No, no, not happening. Um, inject. No more Botox. And they put like a, um, let me see. I want to read them. I want to read them. Let's read these. Okay. Wait, hold on. Let me make sure there's nothing too bad. I want to read them though. Okay. It's great. Like,

Some of them go with videos, so you don't have to necessarily... You could click on the video if you want, but like... Okay. Hold on. Savannah, no more Botox. You look... Irreconcilably, which is bad grammar. That doesn't even make any sense. So if you're going to insult people, you need to get it right. Oh, this is when... Okay. Kevin Costner, when I talk about him, someone said, John...

john he said damn she really wants kevin to know to dm her gold digger i don't know how can a really young girl would like a really old man has to be because of the money and that sounds like an old man typed it which means that an old man's on your instagram page so again hey i like that like hey kevin costner apparently i'm a gold digger

Please stop with the lip and Botox injections. You were so much prettier before. Well, thank you, Susan. Actually, Susan and I love Savannah, but since we're already struggling through our friendship right now, I'll just take this time to go ahead and be painstakingly honest. We just watched an old video of her on Chrisley Knows Best. She was not prettier before. Yeah. It was more the makeup and the hair. Oh my God. What did you just, I just agreed. What?

you just co-signed on that i was waiting on you to freak out on me no i mean it all looked it was all bad y'all it was all no but it was really just you were like an awkward teenager in those videos it has nothing to do with like you were prettier before or after botox yeah susan's being hateful everyone is like they're not that mean though keep going wait someone said wait didn't you marry a mama's boy

Didn't they say you should have married one? No, they said, wait, didn't you? I have never been married. She flirted with it a couple times. Yeah, I flirted with it, but... I haven't read through all these, so... Somebody said I'm kind of creepy looking. You're kind of creeping looking, is what they said. Insults don't hit when you have typos all through it. Do you see what I'm saying, though? And I haven't seen, again, haven't seen them all.

Everybody, some people are just like, I wish I had funnier haters. I know. I wish I had funnier haters. They're just not, they're not doing it for me. Do you remember any like really good hate comments? Tyler normally finds some good ones. Tyler finds some really good ones. He goes in response to all, to everybody. Whereas I don't think they deserve attention. She does not look like she could hold up in prison. Yeah. Is that an insult? I don't know. I mean, hey, I'm pretty resourceful.

I think I'd do... I think she might... I think I'd... She might do fine, and I really don't know what that says. Yeah. I mean, trust me. Don't want to end up there. No thank you. I'm good. Two's enough. Two felons are enough. We don't need three. This is... Okay, wait. We have a few more. Like, they're not just...

They're not most definitely need to grow it back or they're talking about Savannah's mohawk. Okay, she had to do this because her hair was Bleached off By the way, this is still her IMDB photo, which is unfortunate. How do we get that to change? I don't know I'll put it on our to-do list Your moles on a different site most definitely need to grow it back child or wear a rug or a wig until it does Okay, thank you, thank you, let's see

I appreciate all of it so, so much. Is everyone that follows you and hates you stupid? There's no smart insults in here at all. There's not any smart insults at all. I got some screenshots of some shit.

Oh, would you ever consider going like into law when you're done with this? Or are you so over it? I mean, you'd be great at it. I think there's no, I think you'd be amazing at it, but that's another, it's a lot more studying. Yeah. I'm, I'm not, they're definitely not going to become a lawyer, not doing that.

But I am getting more involved in politics just because we need more people speaking out. We need more people speaking out on policies and how they affect the human population, how they affect a certain class of people. And that's something I'm really going to be working towards, especially hopefully end of February. I'll be doing some really fun big things and speaking about my experiences with prison, parents, all those things.

um and slightly less serious note do you still have your v card excuse me excuse me dude people's stuff is wild again why you're not a smart question i'm 26 years old we should have a conversation about that one day because what part of it i mean i went through a ho phase yeah and that's fair question whoever wrote that um

Not a lot of research done by that person. No, not. No. No. She. Not a lot of research. She has her dignity, but not that. Yeah. Who was your bestie on Special Forces? Oh, JoJo. Who? JoJo Siwa. Maybe. Yeah. She said she'll come on the podcast. There we go. She said she'll come on the podcast. We just have to figure out when. She said she'd come to Nashville. Mm-hmm.

We're making that happen. She's great. I love her. All of my interns from last semester are freaking out over it. Are they really? Yeah, that's like their person. That's amazing. I love her. Which you're a little... Are you too old for that? I'm too old for that. Who was like your like... Justin Bieber. Oh, Bieber. Yeah, Bieber. Yours too, Tara? Are you in the Bieber era? Oh, she's a Jonas Brothers. Really? How old are you? I didn't know you were Jonas Brothers. You're too young for Jonas Brothers. She's awesome.

Okay. Okay. She's too young for Jonas Brothers? Yeah. But not Mickey Mouse. She's a Disney adult. Okay. I do think it'd be fun to go to Disney World for like a trip. Yeah, if you're like hammered. Yeah. Oh yeah, you gotta go to Epcot and go around the world and drink at every country. That's amazing. Yeah. That's how adults do Disney. I don't know if I would want to do an adult Disney. Give me like a Cabo. I know. I don't think I'd ever pick it over other things. Yeah, I know.

I don't know what this even means. What happened with the bra on the back of the door? When I came home, Danny Faye was watching the kids. And then when I was out of town and then I come home and I'm looking out by my pool and I see a bra that's huge hanging from my doorknob. What is that? And I go outside and literally I'm like, my head fits in one boob. And I'm like, what is this doing hanging from my doorknob? And she's

I was letting it dry. No, Nanny. You let your bra dry inside, not on the doorknob outside. Not Nanny Faye. No, not Nanny Faye. She marches to her own beat. That lady most certainly does. It's wild. Where do you find the strength to keep going? We'll end on this one. Oh, that's a tough one. I think Chloe and Grayson. Also mom and dad. I think mom and dad's the biggest thing is knowing that like if I don't find the strength, they have no one else fighting for them.

Is really how I look at it. So like if I don't find the strength to keep going. Then who else are they going to have fighting for them. And I want them home. I right now. Like I started back working out. I'm trying to get in a healthier routine. But also just my friends. Like you know. There's been so many times where it's like. Y'all just come over. And we've.

sat and talked and ate and laughed and cried and all these things so like you have to have good people around you like people that are just going to show up for you even when you don't ask them to even when that's what it's about it's just having good people who show up for you and yep that's life it doesn't matter how much money you have how much whatever you have you cannot replace good people totally i'm gonna show you one more little video if i can find it

Oh, God, what is it? What's the Kevin Costner clip that you have on there? That's what I want to see. Oh, no, that's whenever they called me a gold digger. When you were talking about Kevin Costner. When is that? I don't see. Kevin Costner. He looked gorgeous in his last Instagram post. Gorgeous. Oh, my gosh. Look at him. Look at him in this at the Golden Globes.

My gosh. Age is only a number, people, especially for Savannah. Age is just a number, ladies and gents. Age is just like, look, look at those wrinkles by his eyes. Oh, he is fine. Oh, my God. Look, look at him drinking his coffee. OK, I just I don't know. It's just a look. This is him reading by the beach. Look at that.

Hold on. We're doing a really good job of making this an interactive podcast. Look. Him playing a guitar. Oh. He's also your mom's celebrity crush, which isn't weird at all. Look at him here. He's a good looking dude. He is gorgeous. Yes. And fishing. He can catch me any day. Fishing? Yeah. Why are you saying it like that? He can catch me any day. Mm-hmm. Come.

Come on. Well, okay. Well, this is a very lighthearted chill episode, which is fine. There's a bunch of legal shit going on. Alex is, we're going to do a part two YouTube series, maybe podcast also of your, you talking to Alex, the lawyer. People loved that episode. I loved it. And then kept it light. But next time is going to be no holds barred. That's going to be scary. Yeah. I'm gonna do it to you on a day where your whole life didn't blow up that same morning. Yeah. That'd be great. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Love you. Love you.

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