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Hey, Vigilante listeners. For this episode, we're going to play a conversation between myself and Hannah Smith, the host of Cass' other investigative podcast series, The Opportunist. We talked about what it was like on the ground in Texas and what's most likely next for the case. This conversation contains massive spoilers. If you haven't finished all five episodes of Vigilante yet, I encourage you to go back and do that first. Enjoy Vigilante season one epilogue. Let's just start. Let's start at the beginning.
I'd love to hear a little bit about your career path, kind of catch us up to, you know, what you've been doing and then how that led you to podcasting.
Sure. So I started my career down in South Florida at an alt weekly called the Miami New Times, where I covered crime and subcultures. And then I moved to a sister paper also in South Florida called New Times Broward Palm Beach. And I kind of did the same thing, except a little bit more focus on white collar crime. After that, I went to Vice magazine in New York, where I kind of became a bit of a generalist doing stuff for the magazine. And
I was there for about six years, stopped doing that, did some freelance stuff, and then got the opportunity to do my first podcast, which was Vigilante. And then where along that journey did you decide to get your private investigator license? That was sort of something that I dreamed up during the pandemic. I actually planned on doing it right before the pandemic. And you have to take like a three-hour sort of written exam. And I was scheduled to take it in March of 2020.
That didn't really pan out for another, you know, like nine months or something like that. But I did get it during the middle of the pandemic and was moving around a lot during that time. Also moved to Philly for a little bit. And I'm only licensed in New York.
And I was planning on sort of shadowing somebody when I came back, but then coming back sort of coincided with getting this job. So the person I ended up shadowing instead of somebody who was licensed in New York and kind of teach me the ropes ended up being Tim. Interesting.
Okay, so let's talk about Vigilante. That's the name of the podcast. It's a great name. Where did the name come from and kind of what's the idea behind it? Sure. So this was originally pitched to me as a show called Hunter. And I think, you know, pretty soon into my times hanging out with Tim, I figured Vigilante might be sort of a better way of describing him and the show. You know, Tim is such like an archetypical character.
He, you know, doesn't trust law enforcement for a variety of well-established reasons and has kind of taken things into his own hands. And for the next season, I'm kind of thinking that's like such an easy thing to build on. You know, it doesn't necessarily have to be somebody like Tim, but there are so many different kinds of people who, you know, for a variety of reasons have decided to sort of forge their own path and move.
you know, get involved in things for better or for worse. I want to talk about season one of Vigilante. You look into the killing field murders, specifically the unsolved murders of four women whose bodies were discovered in a remote field in Texas. And one of them, one of those women was the daughter of Tim Miller, who is now a famous search and rescuer. And he's been trying to solve his daughter's murder for decades.
And so when you first heard about this story and about Tim Miller, what was kind of the thing that fascinated you about it? I mean, obviously, it's a really interesting story. But, you know, was there something that you kind of initially were really curious about or got obsessed with? And then what was your approach when you before you went to Texas when you were thinking about making this podcast?
There are a couple of things. The show was initially sort of pitched to me as, you know, go and follow Tim, you know, sort of almost a procedural, you know, do a couple of searches with him, get a sense of what he does for work. And the story changed almost immediately. Like literally our first conversation, Tim goes, hey, I think I've solved my daughter's murder.
And, you know, it kind of quickly became a very different show. You know, our second conversation was not only have I solved my daughter's murder, the person who I think did it is about to be released from prison. And so it kind of had this...
Before it was sort of an evergreen story. Tim has done lots of press before, but this took on an extreme sense of urgency and became an entirely different show before I even arrived in Texas. Yeah, that's so wild, especially because a lot of times, and you probably have a lot of experience with this, with your history of reporting on crime, but
especially too with the rise of true crime podcasts and how popular they've become. So many times when there's a podcast about an unsolved murder, at the end of the podcast, it's still unsolved because it's actually really difficult to solve a murder, turns out. And so then in your first conversation, Tim is telling you that he thinks he's solved it, which is wild in so many ways. Like,
from a storytelling perspective, very cool and exciting. From a human person perspective, cool as well to think that there might be some resolution. But also maybe a little complicated as far as going into Texas and hearing that there might be this murder that is soon to be released. Yeah.
So you have all this information and I don't know if you thought like I'm curious to hear if you thought it was going to be pretty straightforward when you arrived in Texas and kind of or maybe you didn't. But what happened when you arrived and how did how did the story unfold for you from there?
Sure. I mean, yeah, from a storytelling perspective, this is a one in a million, you know, once in a lifetime type thing. And for Tim, you know, he was seemingly very excited about the possibility of having someone be there on the ground with him as he's trying to.
draw attention to the fact that this person he believed to be a serial killer was eminently about to be released, right? So it just was almost spooky in the sense that it was very lucky for both of us. But I didn't really know what to expect, right? This has been going on for 38 years, and Tim has been talking about how he feels as if he knows who did it for years,
for a while. This was like a different sort of version of that where he felt like he was now certain, but before he kind of suspected it was Clyde. So I wasn't really sure, you know, how seriously to sort of take any of it, but I went in with sort of an open mind and Tim did a great job of sort of
orchestrating this tour for me and knew exactly what to do, take me to the killing fields, take me to where Ellen Beeson was murdered. And he had the, you know, we did this in episode three, had all the victims' family members sort of meeting for
the first time and it was probably at that point that I realized, oh, this is absolutely serious hearing from people like Marla. I mean, that really sort of drove home the point to me that, yeah, it does seem that even though he's accused people in the past and has been wrong, that, you know, Clyde really does seem like somebody who might be capable of being the serial killer.
Yeah, and that's in episode three, which is probably, I think it's my favorite episode. And, you know, you get the feeling listening to the podcast, the same thing that you just said, when we get to episode three, and hopefully people know not to listen to this conversation until after they've listened to the podcast. But when you get to episode three, it really feels like, wow, we're getting information here that is pretty, like,
We're hearing, I don't know if you would call it evidence, but it seems pretty compelling evidence that Clyde was involved, or at least it starts to feel like there's real evidence to Tim's assertion that Clyde is the killer, as opposed to just Tim saying he did it. We start to hear from the friends and family members of the victims, and there's a great moment where Tim's girlfriend is saying,
walking us through different things that she and Tim found in Clyde's house. And it's very disturbing and chilling. But it also kind of speaks to the, going back to the title of the show, the vigilante aspect of it. Because
You go through it in the podcast, but I'm curious to kind of hear again from you. How did they even get access, you know, to Clyde's house? Because there's like Destiny is talking about they're going through like his chimney and finding I just like the bloody tights is like the thing that sticks out in my mind. But the fact that they're even there, that they even like get these key pieces of evidence is not because of something that like the law enforcement has done. Right.
Yeah. And the story, I mean, it's sort of because it's happening in real time, right? Like the first episode, I'm writing as I go. So the first episode, you know, I hear from Tim. I think I know who did it. And, you know, I'm a bit skeptical, but I go in and I want to see if that's true. By the third episode, like I'm having this realization in real time, along with the listener, like,
This seems very serious. And I had not heard that bloody tight story before. That was my first time hearing it as well. And that was, yes, a very shocking moment. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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And, you know, we've been hearing from Tim prior to this that, you know, he has some very colorful language for local law enforcement. He clearly is not a fan and they're also clearly not a fan of him. Right. So we know that there is a sort of dislike, mutual dislike. But we as a listener aren't totally sure how legitimate that is. And then we start to get to the midpoint of the season. We start to hear some very disturbing things like some of this evidence that seems unlawful.
to me, very critical to solving this case, just has gone missing and misplaced. We don't know if that's intentional or not. And so it does start to seem like there are some issues with local law enforcement not doing a good enough job. Would you say that's fair to say? And what did you start to learn about that? Yeah, there are absolutely some very serious accusations of malfeasance on the part of the League City Police Department. And
It starts to bag our belief at a certain point that they have lost certain key pieces of evidence. And it's hard to really know what is going on there because they've refused to speak with me, citing this is an open investigation. But also it's hard to tell if they don't want to speak to me because they know I'm doing the show with Tim, who they have an obvious dislike and distrust of, right?
So it's really sort of hard to get to the bottom of what's going on there. I did think that it was really helpful to talk to Catherine Casey, who, again, was an author who's done a book about the killing fields and some other murders that happened around that same area. And, you know, she kind of pointed out that a lot of police departments in the 70s, 80s, 90s in California,
the area south of Houston were not the most sophisticated, right? They didn't really know how to deal with something as serious as a potential serial killer. So it's hard to know whether or not it's just a lack of sophistication on the part of the police department or if there's something more sinister going on. And again, it's just really hard to tell when you only hear from
And not, you know, the other side of that from the police. But it does seem based on what he said that something seriously, seriously went wrong with that investigation. And OK, so remind me, when did it become the leading theory that that these murders were done by the same person, that it was a serial killer? Yeah.
Sure. So a detective with the League City Police Department enlisted the help of the FBI, and they had somebody who does sort of psychological profiles of potential serial killers, you know, investigate sort of the details of the case and determine that it seemed as if because of the way that the bodies were placed and the fact they were all in the same area, that they were likely to, you
you know, have been the work of one person. And it was basically just that psychological profile. There's no physical evidence to corroborate this. And, you know, the women were not all murdered in the same way. But just based on that FBI psychological profile, that sort of became the predominant theory. Got it. Interesting. Okay. So this is a podcast about these murders and, you know,
Tim Miller trying to solve these murders and his daughter's murder. It's also about Tim and it's kind of a profile of Tim. And as the podcast goes on, we start to see different sides of Tim. And, um, you know, he's this hero character who has legitimately found so many missing people, both dead and alive. And, um,
But he's also a complicated guy who seems to value solving cases more than anything and is okay with his methods being a little bit potentially unethical. Or I don't know if unethical is the right word, but just like... Borderline. Borderline. Right on the cusp. Yeah. Yeah.
I guess, when did you first start to realize that Tim was this complicated person then? And how did you think about, how did you go about talking about that or deciding how to portray him in the podcast?
Sure. The first thing that he said that sort of hinted toward that aspect of his character was the story of taking over Gladys's house. And he said that to me the first day that I met with him in person. And I
You know, it was just something that caught me off guard a little bit, right? He had the text messages that he was able to pull up on his phone almost immediately. He was kind of laughing to himself as he read them aloud to me. I just, I don't know, like I didn't really know what to think of that at the time until, you know, it became obvious that this is sort of a pattern for him, right? Like, you know, this could have been a one-off thing and we would have moved on and not necessarily come back to it. But once it started to establish itself as...
a pattern, I realized it was something that I'd have to include in the story in order to have it be truthful. Yeah. So with the text messages to Gladys, there's a point where Tim is sort of reading them to you. And is it that he...
Am I correct that he did not, he wasn't forthright with her that he was trying to take over her house, right? How did he go about that? So Tim saw that Gladys had a GoFundMe page set up because she was behind on her mortgage payment. So he got in touch with her.
pretending to want to help with that because, you know, he's obviously a very well-connected, well-respected person. You know, he wanted to say, hey, listen, if you want this GoFundMe page to get publicity, I can help you out with that. And then he used that as a pretense to sort of find out who owned the house. You know, and this leads to them being able to recover some really
interesting potential evidence, but it also results in this woman getting evicted from her home. And although she is married to an alleged serial killer who at this time was actually in prison for... For killing someone else. Ellen Beeson, yeah. For killing someone else, but is about to get out on a loophole. But
Essentially, this woman, his wife, has done nothing wrong, and now she's been evicted from her house. So it's an interesting situation in which it seems that Tim doesn't care about that and care about her because all he cares about is solving this murder. This murder is like the only thing that matters to him. Do you think that's fair to say? I do. And, you know, that's a pretty...
We could argue about that all day, whether or not she's done anything wrong, right, by enabling this person who might be a serial killer. You know, even if she hasn't personally helped kill people, she's, you know, been sort of enabling this behavior, right? And I think that's what Tim would argue. I think, you know, that is a little bit morally gray. The thing that was striking to me is the fact that he was able to lie, right?
to pretend that he was befriending her and actually cared about her, and that came across. And the language of the text, you know, I don't think you've done anything wrong. I just want to help. You know, I'll be your friend kind of a thing. And then the fact that he actually intended to do the opposite was the most striking thing to me, I think. Yeah, he's also a guy who has, you know, done so much good, and he has rescued so many people, and he's really seen as a local hero here.
And in episode one, you know, you go through the story of how his own daughter was murdered and how this was a huge life-altering experience for him, of course, and really changed the course of his life. And he's since dedicated his life to both trying to solve this murder and then help other people who are going through a similar situation where their children or loved ones are missing and they are not...
They're not getting the help that they at least perceive that they need from law enforcement. And so obviously it's a really complex situation. And Tim is a complex person. You know, one of the things I think that's interesting is this portrayal of grief. How did you see that playing out in Tim? And did you think about that when you were making the podcast?
Sure. I mean, that's one of the things that I found really interesting about Tim from the get-go. You know, the fact that Tim is...
unique in the way that he deals with this grief. And I do mention in the story that apart from the Killingfield's murders, there was this whole slew of young women who were murdered along this corridor of Interstate 45 between the 1970s and the early 2000s. And, you know, of course, Tim is the only one to go on to form a search and rescue team as a response to having
his daughter murdered. And I wanted to know, you know, one, why, you know, what drives somebody to do that? And two, what the sort of effect is on your psyche when you're constantly, you know, miring yourself in the details of the worst day of your life and helping people who are going through fresh grief, you
sort of, you know, navigate that as well. And so in some ways, yeah, it's a profile of a guy who's going through this really, really complex process of grief and is willing to sort of revisit that constantly in order to help other people. Feels like it almost I feel like if you're disconnected from the fact that
These are real murders and real trauma. It can seem almost like exciting and fun and casual. And then you remember that these are real people that have been brutally murdered and real lives that it's like a ripple effect that's affected this whole town in some ways. And there's like this collective trauma. But then there's
It also seems like they're on a fun adventure sometimes. It's like this really strange combination of things. Yeah, it's really disconcerting to be in Tim's world because on one hand, you know, he's got this sort of grief that never ends, right? I mean, I don't know that it ever ends. Your child was murdered, obviously not. But he, you know, is unique in the sense that he is willing to sort of revisit that every day and reopen that wound and helping these other people. Yeah.
But on the other hand, it's like sometimes it just becomes so normalized to talk about this stuff with him, right? The fact that you talked about him, he's doing all this great stuff, but he's also opening that wound every day and choosing to stay in this space. I mean, that's just... There's no right way to respond, I don't think, when you have something like this happen, when you have a child die or a child murdered. It's so terrible. And...
But you had mentioned that a lot of the other families and parents, you know, they just are doing their best to move on or they have done the best to move on with their life. Whereas Tim has responded in a different way and he's really channeled it into trying to help other people. At the same time, it has had this effect perhaps of keeping this trauma very real and present to him.
always, every day. And he is very focused on his daughter's murder and solving his daughter's murder and very, you know, he's constantly wrapped up in it. He hasn't, you know, tried to forget about it. Instead, he's really just invested in it and made his, built his whole life and career around it. And
You know, there's no right or wrong answer to how you deal with something like this, but it is interesting in the podcast to sort of meet Tim through the podcast and hear about how he's responded and how that grief... It's not like it's a solve. There is no solve, but...
It's how he seems to be dealing with it. And he's I don't know. Did you I don't know if you can answer this question, but like, does it seem it seems from listening to the podcast that he's almost singularly obsessed with solving his daughter's murder because he's found a lot of people and there but he's never been able to find who killed his daughter.
Did he say anything to you about, you know, being able to put this whole thing behind him once he's solved it? I've asked him about that a few times, and I don't know if the answer is super convincing. I mean, he says, say that, you know, he's ready to sort of retire and, you know, he has hobbies. He likes to go drag racing. He wants to go, you know, spend some time, as he puts it, not, you know, talking about dead children and pursuing that hobby. I don't know. I mean, if you've been doing something for so long every single day, you know,
I don't know if it's easy to leave that behind or as easy as he might think it is. I'm not really sure what Tim would do if this all sort of wrapped up. It's hard to imagine, like I said, him, you know, sitting down and reading a book on the beach, right? Like this is not somebody who knows how to necessarily relax. He's, you know, at 11 at all times, just ready to go. So it's hard for me to imagine what would be next for Tim if this really does wrap up.
So, you know, talking about Tim Miller in this podcast, you really paint a picture of someone who is experiencing complex grief. And how did you come to understand that?
Right. One of the things that was striking to me about Tim is the fact that he's dealt with this grief and the sense of loss and the sense of like rage and impotence over the fact that, you know, he was not allowed to help search the killing fields initially. And he, you know, sort of feels as if if you were allowed to do that, this wouldn't necessarily have happened. Right. And he's dealt with this in a really unique way.
way, right? Like not everyone whose daughter is murdered goes on to form a search and rescue agency and dedicate the rest of their lives to helping other people. And I think that that grief becomes even more complicated by the fact that he is sort of miring himself in the details of the worst day of his life over and over and over again as a consequence of helping other people, right? And, you know,
That grief is really fresh for him in a lot of ways. You know, this is something that happened 38 years ago. But, you know, when you're dealing with somebody who's in the sort of throes of grief or any sort of, you know,
episode like that, it can be complicated and you want to tread lightly as a journalist and make sure you're not overstepping in any way. But again, it was complicated for me because while Tim is in the throes of this thing, he's also somebody who's got a remarkable amount of media training, right? He is an expert at being interviewed and dealing with the press. So it was like actually very confusing to figure out, you know,
the line to toe there because on one hand he's this like you know fragile guy going through this this awful thing all the time that you want to you know
sort of pay extra care and attention to. But on the other hand, you know, he's somebody who is very, very savvy and knows what he's doing and knows exactly what he wants to get out of, you know, being interviewed and dealing with the press. So it was something unlike anything else I've ever dealt with as a part of my job. So, you know, in episode four, you speak with Clyde, who is the alleged serial killer, on the phone. And then you end up deciding not to interview him in person. And, you know,
You talk about why you made that decision in the podcast, but I think it's kind of interesting and I'd love to hear a little bit more, especially, I guess I'm really interested in
How we talk about true crime in media and in podcasting, it's such a big thing now. And sometimes, you know, you and I both work now in true crime podcasting. And I think about this a lot when I'm making podcasts about how I'm always cognizant that I'm talking about real people's lives. And I think it's really important to be aware that we're always talking about
real situations and real people. And even though it's this tricky thing, right, because it is entertainment, but it's also, I think, I feel a great sense of responsibility to make sure that I'm telling these stories well and not sensational, you know, and not in a sensational way. And also there's a real issue of like safety. And I think that it's easy to forget that when true crime has become this
um just form of entertainment uh i think it's really important to remember that that like there can be dangerous situations and dangerous people and i think it's important to not put yourself in a in a situation that you're uncomfortable with so um i'm wondering if you can kind of just speak to that and also why you made the decision to not interview clyde in person
Yeah, to that first point, I mean, obviously I went in with no intention to sensationalize this and was attempting to be as, you know, flat and objective as possible. But one thing that was really sort of disconcerting when I first arrived is, you know, hanging out with people who work at Texas Equisurge and hanging out with Tim is this stuff is completely normalized to them, right? Like, yes, he's dedicated his entire life to helping these people. But when you do it day in and day out, it does become sort of...
just normalize to talk about things that would be really horrifying to other people. So that was sort of an adjustment I had to make as soon as I got there. The second is, yeah, again, like not attempting to sensationalize, you know, the fear that I had about potentially meeting with Clyde. But I mean, being sort of airdropped into a situation where you're by yourself, you don't really know the area and everyone is constantly telling you there's a serial killer on the loose with nothing to lose and they're going to
potentially come show up and start killing people while you're there. You know, I would be again, I'd be lying if I were to omit the fact that, you know, I was afraid at certain points or I did have legitimate fears for my safety. And things sort of came to a head when I had to decide, you know, do I actually want to go meet this person?
in real life as opposed to over the phone. And, you know, after talking to Clyde and he, you know, seemed adamant that he would want to meet only in a sort of neutral location as opposed to, you know, at his supervised facility where he was living, I kind of really had to decide, you
right then and there? You know, what was I sort of willing to do to get his side of the story? And would it be worth it to meet him in person? Is there something I could get from that interaction that I couldn't get over the phone? And ultimately, I decided, you know, because that stuff does sort of take a toll on you, right? Everyone constantly telling you that this guy is, you know, a murderer who will stop at nothing to sort of get revenge at Tim. And then the fact that Clyde had alluded to the fact that, you
You know, he's aware of Tim's sort of undercover missions that he's done in the past.
and that I, you know, his suspicions that I might be part of some sort of elaborate scheme on Tim's part to try to, you know, get a confession from him. I kind of had to ultimately decide that it was really sort of a bad idea to do that. You know, the risk sort of outweighed the reward. Clyde was willing to talk to me on the phone. I didn't really necessarily see what I could get out of him in person that I couldn't get over the phone.
Yeah, absolutely. So I know that, you know, another challenge of
reporting true crime is that with an open investigation, there's only so much you can say. So even though, you know, we have that tape of Tim saying, I solved my daughter's murder, at the end of the podcast, it's sort of, we don't have a confirmation of, you know, if anything, if the murder has been solved. I guess, I don't know what all you can say about that, but do you want to...
I guess, where is, like, what's the status of the investigation now? Right. So, I mean, that's the challenge with doing a show about something that's actually happening in the present as opposed to, you know, excavating, you know, something that's kind of, you know, closed and shut from the past. You know, sometimes things end with a bit of a question mark. There is certainly progress being made in that case, but
And I can't necessarily say what all that progress is. I think that's also something that's up to Tim to, you know, if he wants to do a press release or something like that, that's totally his prerogative. But, you know, at the same time, covering stuff like this does sort of bring awareness to the situation and hopefully, you know, public pressure after hearing about some of the missteps that the League City Police Department made.
had, you know, might sort of force the hand of, you know, the district attorney's office or the FBI or whoever else to sort of, you know, take these most recent developments really seriously. And also, I think it was the hope of Tim and some of the other folks involved that, you know, just hearing about
Clyde might, you know, trigger somebody's memory, right? Because he's lived in these other places. He's lived in Ohio and he's lived in Florida. You know, somebody who knew Clyde might hear the podcast and say,
Oh, you know, I actually I remember this guy and I have evidence that he committed some other crime elsewhere that's not necessarily related to the Killing Fields murder. So while, you know, like you alluded to before, podcasts like this don't often have a hyper satisfying conclusion. And this one can't be as satisfying as I'd like it to be because it's.
Things are in motion right now, and we had to sort of wrap up due to production deadlines and stuff like that. I'm hoping that we can at least bring awareness to the fact that this is happening. There are new developments. Tim has made some legitimate progress here. And at the same time, if anyone knows anything about Clyde Hedrick, either in Texas, Florida, or Ohio, they might come forward and share that information. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think it's done a lot to raise awareness about the situation and
And it's scary because it's, you know, as you cover in the podcast, because of a loophole, Clyde, who, you know, he has been convicted of manslaughter, but he is getting out early on a loophole. And so and there's a lot of people that believe that he is responsible for the Killingfields murders. And so it is scary to think that he will just be like walking about. And as you said, one of the great things about covering stories like this is spreading the word. And
And there is, you know, a lot of reason to believe that maybe there are even more victims out there than we know about. And so, yeah, if anyone has any information, definitely.
come forward. I was just going to add, you know, there are a lot of people out there who you heard from on the show who have legitimate safety concerns with Clyde, you know, being released from his halfway house at any time. I'm also hoping that, you know, beyond raising awareness of the situation with the Killing Fields murders to raise awareness of the fact that, like, these people need protection, right? Like, I'm really hoping that
Absolutely. So I think probably everyone is going to have this question for you. What other stories are you hoping to tell next on Vigilante?
Yeah, I mean, I kind of want to go in a completely opposite direction. I mean, the word vigilante can apply to so many different people. In Tim's case, it was the most literal definition of that word imaginable, right? But I really do think that
It can apply to people who, you know, are wronged in some way and try to make that wrong right using methods that are not necessarily traditional. So I think, you know, for the next season, we could do something that is completely different and it would still sort of be in the same spirit as season one. So I'm really looking for ideas and I have a couple things in mind that are...
like I said, absolutely different from this one. But, you know, again, if anyone has a really good idea, and I said this in basically every episode, leave, you know, a comment on the Apple podcast reviews, and I'm happy to look into that. Do you all have an email, too, or no? Yeah, and I think we're going to set up an email address and add that to the episode description. So if you'd prefer to send us an email, you can just look for that. Well, awesome. Everyone,
including myself will be on the lookout for the next season of Vigilante I'm so excited season one was so wonderful you guys did such a good job so congrats on season one and we look forward to what's next thank you so much Anna this was fun
And that's officially a wrap on season one of Vigilante. So thank you to everyone on the team. I'm speaking for everyone here when I say we would love to hear your ideas for our next season. Please rate, review, and subscribe if you haven't already. And again, if you have an idea, just leave it in that review. Thanks again and see you next season.
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