Turning 30, Hangxiety & Mean DMs
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Jordan shook the bottle. I actually did it. I should have. That would have been so funny. This room smells like a lot of things. We're your besties in your ear for another episode of Mean Girl Pod. No, no. It's Alex's 30th birthday. I can't. And if you thought I wasn't going to do anything for it.

crazy. You guys better watch on YouTube right now. I need you to open it though because I can't because we're popping champagne for her 30th birthday. It's 1208. And I have four cups. Four cups. There's four of us. There's four people in the room. Everyone has to celebrate your 30th. 30th is a big deal. That's nice. I'm actually very excited for it. What are you doing for it? Going to Chicago for the NASCAR race, which is like my definition of happiness. I really thought everyone was going to help me sing happy birthday, but you know, they're

They're really good at their job. Look at both of them. They're like, mm-mm. Now I feel the pressure of opening the champagne. I mean, you're so good at it. It is my favorite. I know you don't like to drink Nougat Coupe, but you have to have one sip at least. Of course. It's like having it. Did you know it's bad luck to not eat your birthday cake? Like, to not have the first bite? Did you know that? No, I don't know if I've ever. Because, like, when it's your birthday cake, you're, like, so busy doing other things. That you don't ever really. Wait, what? Okay. Happy. Shit.

Jordan shook the bottle. I actually did it. I should have. That would have been so fucking funny. This room smells like a lot of things. I know. Cigarettes, weed. One, two. So nice of you to do this. You're so thoughtful. Are you kidding me? It's your 30th birthday. I'm not letting this go, by the way, either. More stuff's coming. Wow. Oh, boy. Oh, goodness. You only turn 30 once, I guess. You do, and I feel like it's the biggest milestone of your life.

Yeah. And then I think the next one's 50, right? Yeah, probably. Also, you guys don't have to drink this, but just like, try to know. Yeah.

Okay, we're going to keep with Alex's birthday. Oh, yeah, cheers, cheers. Cheers, cheers, cheers, everyone. Make a toast for your 30th. Okay, here's to Mean Girl Pod 2.0 because we've got our two new members. And thank you for being the best co-host, the best friend, the best sister ever. I love you. I could not do life without you. Through the good times and the bad times, cheers. Cheers, I love you. Happy 30th. Well, yeah, I guess I wouldn't say it to myself. Okay, I have another thing. Oh, boy.

She's the gift that keeps on giving. This is a good one for YouTube today, guys. Okay, so this is... I know you guys have to go on YouTube. I'm giving Alex her 30th birthday present right now. This is only the first part, though. This is your Get Ready shampoo. I think that's Prosecco.

But yeah, thank you. It's your get ready drink. A card that you will read in private. Yes, we never read cards together. They're emotional. And then I read, does this look familiar? Jordan's giving me the box back that Anne-Marie put her present. I will. I do need to apologize though because there is a little bit of a mess just because you know when you walk in New York things. I thought you were going to say I do need to apologize because I need that box back. Oh.

I was like, okay. Can you imagine if we could have that back? It's actually a great box. Well, it's genius for New York because you don't like store wrapping paper. No. So you're just like, oh, here we go. I love that. Jordan's so excited because he loves giving gifts.

But one of them, you'll see. There's two avocados. So Alex doesn't obviously like, she eats really healthy, but she also like can't eat really any candy because of her lactose intolerance. So her candy is avocados. Wait, my phone won't work. Because there's like a little bit of champagne on it. Okay, here we go. Oh, one avocado. Look at the bottom. I'm sorry. So you're gonna have to eat that one today. Oh, I will happily eat this one today. I haven't had one yet.

Typically I have them with my walking taco. Two of these are good. They're not, um, they're not like, they're not ripe. Oh, I know. Oh, oh, I know. Skims. I know how, um, foreshadowing honestly, like a manifesting moment.

Okay, let's see. Open the first one first. Is that this one? No, no, the other one. Oh. So I'm sorry. I apologize for the avocado on that one. I love it. The dual, the dual skim. Oh. I know. The colors that we're getting. I know. We've got pink and orange. Jordan loves skims. I do. It's like the most comfortable thing ever. You got me on the skims train. Okay, so I know you're, you have a hard thing with sports bras because of your rib cage. I swear to God, you won't even feel these on you. Really? Mm-hmm.

I love you guys. I love this is like my most favorite color of all my favorite colors. That's why I said pink. Yeah, I messed that up the other day. I said blue. Alex, I had a friendship test and I said pink and she said blue and we failed it. You are. These look like the softest, most. So I can't ever wear sports bras because. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Because my rib cage hurts and I think I can't like I will wear like a what's the big one?

Like for Target, I get extra large sports bras. Oh, because they hurt my sport, and I have very small boobs. Thank you. There's more. Give it to me for the sake. I hate that there's avocado on that package, though. But you know that I don't even care. Yeah. I just feel like since you're so into cute workout stuff right now, you can wear that to the gym. I'm very into it, and I was reading on their website that that can be like a swimsuit. Actually, it could. Damn, I didn't even think about that. That's what it says. It's like you can wear it in the pool. They put this top with the...

swimsuit bottom oh okay so you can't wear their underwear as swimsuit no not you can't wear you can't wear the underwear but you can wear these bras oh okay

Wait. Sorry. Next segment. You don't like wearing underwear, but Alex, I swear to God, those are known to be. These are cute. You'll never wear. You don't feel them on your body. These are cute. I know, right? Wait, stop. Look at this together. That's cute. I know. And then I had to throw blue in there because obviously your favorite color is blue. Didn't know that. I will run around in these. I know you will. Wait, stop. I love this. Don't forget the blue one though. She feels neglected. Oh, okay.

I love the blue one. I actually started wearing underwear a little bit. Oh, you started to? Yeah, because I've been wearing so many skirts in the summer. That will make you feel like you don't have any under on. I wore it on the plane to Nashville. Couldn't feel a thing. These are... Thank you. Of course. You're sick. Okay, yeah. I love you. It's just allergies. Oh, it is? I don't know. Oh, don't touch your hand.

Love you. Thank you. This is the sweetest gift ever. I'm glad you like it. You're a very good gift giver. I love giving gifts. Every year, it's very thoughtful, thought out, and I always use them. Yay. Yay. Happy birthday. Thank you. More to come. More to come. Now, what are we going to talk about? Well, do you want to talk about what you're going to do for your 30th? Because when this comes out, your 30th was two days ago. Well, I will have been in Chicago for the NASCAR race.

I'm having a NASCAR cowgirl birthday party on Friday and then Saturday day the Chainsmokers concert. Dude, that's going to be so sick. I know. I'm excited about that. Are they? Yes. I've never seen them. In unpopular opinion, I like the other one better than the objectively hotter one. Wait, which one? What are my options? There's a hot Chainsmoker? They're both hot, but one is objectively like...

The hottest guy ever? Do you think Kygo's cute? Do you think they're hotter because they're... Do you think they're hot because they're the chain smokers or do you think they're actually like... No, they're hot. If you saw them at a bar, are they still hot or are they hot because they... Well, the one is... I'm going to pull up the name. One of them is objectively hotter because... So it's Alex and Drew. Okay. And Drew is objectively a very hot man. Let's talk about the one and only, our beloved presenting sponsor, Pink Whitney. Woo! Pink Whitney is...

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head to your local bar or your local liquor store, pick up Pink Whitney, shoot your shot, invite all your friends, and enjoy a happy summer. And I will be giving you a Pink Whitney shot for your 30th birthday tonight. I can't wait. Thank you for that, my darling beloved. But granted, he's been famous for a long time, and fame does make you hotter. Like, he's so hot, like, objectively. You can't disagree with me. You don't think so? This man. Okay. No, if you see him in a bar, I don't think I'd be like, whoa.

If you saw that. That's a good picture, but that's a good picture. Okay, let me show you Alex because you're going to see Alex and be like, so he looks like every ex you've ever had. Uh-oh. Wait, which one's the majority rules hot one? Drew. The one you just showed me? Yeah. But you think Alex is hotter? He's way hotter. I would prefer Alex over Drew. He's more like rough around the edges, which I like. Okay, wait. Neither of them are cute.

We have a bad taste. Just kidding. It's your taste. Well, yeah, I think Alex is cuter for sure. I'm sorry. No. He's got cool style. Yeah, I think they're both in relationships, though. Okay, yeah. I'm team Alex. But Alex, if you aren't, you know where my DMs are. Or you can DM Emery. But start it with Chainsmokers so she knows to click on it.

I'm dead. We're going to listen to the next week's episode and be like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah, they're going to be like, they recorded those backwards. Okay, so that's it. And then tonight, which is way in advance. Not way in advance. The Wednesday before you're having a birthday party. A disco cowgirl birthday party. I'm excited. I can't wait to see what you're wearing.

Oh, okay. I know you got cowboy boots. I know. I don't, I mean, I just like, you know me. I'm so, I get so anxious with picking out outfits. I don't think it's going to be as cool, but it's cool, I guess. I don't know. Do you like it? Yeah. Okay, that's all that matters. You like it. That's it. I just like don't do a very good job of going like above and beyond with costumes. That's okay. Okay.

As long as you got the boots. I do. My first knee-high boot ever. That's all I wanted in life. I'm excited. Me too. I'm excited. Thanks. You're the best. No more birthday talk. Okay. We went to Nashville over the weekend for the Barstool Bar in NASCAR. We can talk about that. That was fun. That was very fun. We love Nashville.

Because let's think of some things that happened. Okay. Well, now I think Nashville is cool because it's, I feel like it's the one place where everyone is the exact same person. Oh, you don't even mean like you go out and everyone's just like the same. There's cause you know, in New York sometimes there's hierarchy. Like you go to a bar and you're like, well, I can just tell that like they're here. They're there, blah, blah, blah. But now I'm like, we're all just one. I agree with that. And here there's different levels of style. Nashville. It's kind of all disjointed.

The same. Yeah. And okay. Do you think in Nashville though, you can spot tourists or not? Well, maybe I could spot locals, but I think like aside from bachelorette parties, cause those are obviously obvious, but if,

style wise or acting wise, like in people that live in Vegas, I don't know that they always go to the strip, but I think people that live in Nashville still love going to Broadway and they don't think it's touristy. So I always think people there all kind of blend together. And I love that. Yeah. That's actually a great question. I never really thought of that. Cause we talked about it. We're like,

It'd be so weird to live in Nashville. I think I would never really, I love to go there, but I really, there's some places I go where I'm like, I would like to live here. Nashville's not one of those, but I love it because where we were staying, you could walk everywhere.

Yeah, we that is the beauty of Nashville. Like if you stay in the what do you call that area? Is it the strip? No, I think that's called downtown. That's downtown. Yeah, just called downtown. Broadway's the so called strip. Like if you're a downtown, you can go anywhere. Yeah, which is nice. It's really nice. And I think that what we're learning is we kind of you know, when you live in the same city for a long time, then you finally get friends.

I feel like you and I have been going, like, you go to the NASCAR events or, like, you go to the same things. And then, like, we finally have, like, our friends. Yeah.

Like we're like seven group texts with people like we're finally like, okay, we're not new at this anymore. And like, they're so fun to go out with. And we're like, you texted me the other day and it was so funny. You were like, if we move to X, Y, and Z, I won't say the location. You're like, if we move to X, Y, and Z, we could throw a house party. We have so many friends. And I just cried laughing. We could though. I know. We were in like nine different group texts and I was like, oh my God, we actually have like friend friends. We do. Like friends. I think we could go back to the,

three cities and have like a lot of friends and it's so fun to run around and like okay so when somebody invites me to dinner it's always it's like I'm not going I know it's an immediate but like with these people when you're it's fun to go to these cities and be running around they're like I think I'll actually attend the dinner because like you and I will just go to dinner with these people because it's not awkward anymore and it's so nice when you finally get to that stage well you've introduced me to so many people too like I've met I met Shannon yeah I met a few NASCAR people mm-hmm

That's about it. Ron. We got Ron still. Ron. We got Ron. Love Ron. Love Ron. But you've introduced me to these people and they're all so great.

they are good. They're all cool people. We got lucky. Yeah. But I think birds of a feather really do flock together. Like there's a lot of times where you've heard that, right? Okay. I've never heard you say that a long time. Like a little Alex phrase. Little birds of a feather. But I always think when you meet, like there's a lot of times we do meet people and then we like never see them again. You see them passing. You're like, hi, it's nice to see you. Or you meet people and you're like, oh, we are kind of think alike. Like we're hanging out. Besides those two boys who just texted us yesterday. Remember, uh,

Oh yeah them for example yeah like we're like we're not we didn't work no we met these two guys like a long time ago they just like randomly texted us yesterday and we're like no no we're like no like nah it's not like that it's not it's not easy so it doesn't work but I think people just we're all attached by certain strings and if your strings like work then I think you hang out together.

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Well, it depends on the setting. Okay, so if you're at a restaurant and they're on the other side of the room, we don't need to make a special point to go over and say hi. But if you're all at the same party or in the same semi-intimate setting at a bar, I think that there's no time too soon to go over and say hello. Okay, because over the weekend, I ran into my ex for the first time in a long time. What was the setting? We were at a bar, and it was like, uh...

I would say it was a more intimate setting. Like, you were going to bump shoulders at some point. Yeah. Or you could at least see each other. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And, like, we all – so many people we knew were there. Like, I – because I know his friends. Okay. He knows my friends. Right. So, like, with two groups of people, like, you just know each other. But I was with these two girls, and one girl told me that –

She was like, I would say hi to an ex every day of the week. She's like, of course, like that's something to do. The other girl was like, in no world would I ever say hi to an ex. I don't care how long it's been. And I was like, and now I'm conflicted.

I did say hi to the ex. I think you shared a portion of yourself, a portion of your life. They know you debatably better than anybody else in the room. And I always think you say hi to that person. Yeah. So I said hi to my ex. It was the first time we've talked in, I think, maybe like six months. So I thought everything would be fine. It was not fine.

Well, first of all, I should not have waited as long as I did to say hi to him. Okay, why? Because you made eye contact and things? Well, I was drunk. Oh, so you were drinking more throughout the night. Yeah. You mean you shouldn't have waited as long not because of like...

Appropriate amount of time But because you were Drinking more Oh sorry yeah When I got to the bar Granted I was drinking Before the bar It was the day of The Zach Bryan concert Okay And we'd been drinking All day but when I got To the bar I should have Immediately been like Hi how are you Because I was more sober But then I let I think like an hourish Pass Which meant It was just got like More drunk And more

awkward tension, at least on my side of the table. I don't know about him. He might be gay. Well, he did not care. But for me, I just felt more uncomfortable. Right. And then, yeah, I said hi to him and I just should have left him alone. Okay, wait. So if you wouldn't, okay, I think the lesson is when you see the ex go beeline, say hi first. Because then I think you don't like get the pent up feelings. Yeah. But would you have regretted

Sitting here right now, since you're saying it didn't go well, would you rather right now have the scenario where you ran in with him and it didn't go well? Or would you rather have not said hi at all and wondered what would have happened?

Honestly, I think, okay, so at the end of the day, the lesson I want to give everyone is you all should say hi to next. I think that it's so appropriate to, I mean, like you said, you shared a life with them or shared part of your life with them. Yeah. So I'm glad I did. But given how everything happened, I wish I wouldn't have said hi because now I just feel like it wasn't a good interaction. Like, I think a lot has happened over the past six months where our communication has not been

come across the same. Like he's always going to think things went down a certain way. I'm always going to think things went down a certain way. We're never going to understand each other. He holds a lot of resentment towards me and I didn't realize that, which he has every right to now that I've heard what he has to say. So I went up to him being like, hi, how are you? And he pretty much was like, why are you talking to me? Like we are not on good terms. Okay. So now I wish I wouldn't have because like I didn't need to, I don't need to know that I don't do well when a person doesn't like me.

Okay, I was going to say there's a... Yeah. Okay, so now you know. And now I just feel bad. Okay, so was there something unresolved, though, to begin with, with you that you waited the hour and then when there was, like, alcohol involved? Well, no, I guess you went up to him and did say hi in a nice way, but why did it take you the hour?

I was so nervous. But it doesn't – not because he was like an ex, just because I can't talk to a guy to save a life sober. Okay, so you were nervous in that regard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did you – in a perfect scenario, he just says, hi, how are you back? Yeah.

And there was that was really truly the hope. Yeah, I thought it would just be like, hey, good to see you. How are you? And I thought he would be like, great to see you to make like maybe a minute of small talk. And then one of us would be like, well, I'm going to go grab a drink. It was nice to talk to you. But so I'll be honest. It was a little it's a little fuzzy, a little black. I don't remember much because I drink a lot that night, especially after everything happened. But from what I remember, like I said hi to him. He was kind of like, why are you talking to me?

Which I'm not mad about. He has every right to feel the way he feels. I want to make that very clear. And that's what kind of made me start to smile. Because I was like, oh, this is not...

this, you don't like me. And then when I found out drunk, when someone, when you're drunk and someone doesn't like you, you just start to like fix things. You can't fix anything when you're drunk or, or you make it bigger. Like it's not, if somebody doesn't like you and you're sober, you're like, okay, I can put that in a box and we don't have to like each other. But my question is when you went up to him and said, hi, were you expecting him to be like, Hey, how are you? Like you didn't think he didn't like you.

Fully. I mean, I didn't expect him to still like me, but I expect he was just so indifferent about me where he was like, hey, how are you? He could be cordial with you. Yeah. Okay, but so when he gave you an adverse response, but you said you understand where he's coming from? I guess now I kind of do. I'm just trying to figure out my wording because it's still such a traumatic experience.

So he pointed out some things that maybe he was mad about and you were like, oh, got it. Yeah. So you were kind of living in an invincible world, thought maybe that... Yeah. I also just was like...

I just, like, totally disrespected his boundaries in the space that night. Like, I was hanging out with his friends. Like, I shouldn't have been. I should have just, like, let them go off. But, like, his friends, I know his friends. Like, they're great people. And it was just, like, one of those familiarity things. But, like, my brain was like, no, stay, fix everything. When my sober brain would have been like, go to the next bar. Like, get out of there. You don't need to be here anymore. But I lingered.

Okay. And then I think I took away a lot of his night because like, then he was like stuck with me hanging out with his friends and he's like, go away. Okay. So you have anxiety about that or just like, how do you feel? How do you feel about it currently? I can't get out of my head. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Here's the thing. Is there any world where you're going to say anything to him? Never again. I never, I, I, if I see him, I will literally turn into a little,

piece of mush and slide down a crack in New York City I'll be so embarrassed okay so now we have to get rid of the anxiety at play okay so in that moment even in your drunk head did you do the best you could I think so well I think you did because you knew you wanted to say hi but you were admittedly nervous so you waited an hour okay then you were nice and

Give yourself kudos for this one. You weren't an asshole when you said hi. No, I was not. I was very nice when I said hi. I was like, hi, so good to see you. And you meant that? Yes. You were happy to see him and you meant hi, good to see you? Yes. Okay, well then you did the best you could. I actually was very happy to see him because I was like, oh, we can finally like...

cut the tension, like get rid of all the awkwardness. And now like going forward, if we ever see each other again, it'll be like cordial. I was like so excited to make it like a cordial relationship. And that was the best you could do. Like you didn't have the where thought of like, he might be mad at me. None of that. Yeah. So you really, you really were, you meant it out of kindness.

Yeah. He had a response back that was like not ideal. Okay. You didn't know that, but you're not mad about that. You see his side. It makes me sad because I didn't realize he was so upset. And you didn't want it. You don't want to hurt somebody. Oh God. No, that's the last thing I ever want to do. Okay. That's your best foot forward. There's like no ill intent here. You're a great therapist. Well, like you didn't mean any, like so far you're not like, I did mean to hurt him.

No. You're like, I meant no harm. Something I did learn too is, and it was a great reminder that, actually my roommate helped me walk through this yesterday too. She was like, no matter what,

like your early we all have our own experiences no matter what you say to that person if you try to fix it they're always experienced something the way that they experienced it just let them experience it like you can't you could tell them to their blue in the face and the way they experienced it is all that matters to them so I learned I was like he experienced things certain way I experienced things a certain way we obviously are coping at a different length of like or different timeline and I should have to be okay with that because I don't have the right to his emotions anymore because we're not together

Correct. And he doesn't have to like whatever it was that you did that upset him. Like he doesn't have to take that. But you also don't have to take his response like nobody has to collect that like it can be very separate. And it sounds like you did everything that you thought was right to him.

And he did it back. And that's it. That's it. And then you hung out with his friends. Okay, you didn't mean that as a, I'm going to hang out with your friends. You meant it as like, this can get better. Yeah, they're a blast. And you thought like you were going to help the situation. Yeah. So then you just say, the question is, did I do the best I could? And the answer is yes. Yes. So let it go. Drunk brain's always like, I think that like having fun will fix everything. Right. Right.

Or like if I hang out with him a little bit longer, he'll soften. Yep. And it's like, maybe not. No. Because also like too, you have to realize everyone copes with things differently. Totally. Sometimes when people are mad, they shut down. I'm someone who like wants to fix something immediately. So I will like go into like,

like fight mode and like most, I think a lot of guys go into like flight mode and they're like, I need my space. Yeah. Or, or he just was like, I don't even, I don't even want to be like, he's like, get away from me. And you're like, I want to hit. Yeah. He's like, shoo, shoo. So yeah, that was, that was fun. I'm not someone who ever runs into exes either. You know, some people always run into people they know. Yes. I never do.

That, that I think is okay. I think you either do some like all the time. Like you ever hear the stories, people over in Europe, walking the streets of Italy and they're like, Oh my God, it's not my neighbor. Yes. And you're like, how dad? Yeah. Like how did you two end up seriously there? Or there's someone that's like, I mean, I just never see anybody. I know. I, I can genuinely tell you this. I have never ran into an ex before. Not even a guy that I've gotten on a date with. I've never seen someone after we end things. That was the first time.

Ever? Ever. And I'm dead serious. Besides high school because, I mean, that's inevitable. You go to the same school. Yeah. Never. Ever. I'm trying to think if I have. I mean, I definitely have. Without a doubt. And I will really run into Graham's exes. I mean, we will collide. Because Oklahoma? Yeah. Actually, I feel like you had so many stories. I will be seated beside them any day of the week. Can you imagine being on an airplane with your ex? Like in the same seats. Yeah.

Like, assigned seats like 12A and 12B. Dude, that would be the universe playing some nasty games with you. That's almost like a you should get back together situation. Or, I don't know, like talk it out. Actually, I have been on a plane with someone that I hung out with once.

That was fun though. That was a long time ago. And he like came up, he actually played it really well. So I was like, when I was going to LA back like a few months ago, a guy that I like hooked up with once and like we chatted for a bit was on my plane. And at this point, like we were very cordial. Like I saw him and I was like, blah, blah, blah. But then he texts me on the plane and he was like, are you going to LA? And I was like,

yes I am are you he's like yes I am and then we were just like making jokes because he was in the back of the plane and I was not and he actually came up and like walked and talked to me and I was like that was so cool of you to do see and now you've got a good impression of that oh my god now if I ever okay that's a lie I have seen one I'm sorry

She's seen one ex. We literally hooked up once and that was it. Oh, okay. Okay. I always think when people see anybody they had any kind of like physical interaction with and you're awkward about it, I'm like, why would you not just get ahead of that? Because you'll always remember that. But the awkward stuff, I'm like, get your ass over there and say hi. Yeah. I know you were. I'm proud of you for this because here's the thing. I think in scenarios where exes see each other and they don't say hi or they go as far to give a cold shoulder, it's kind of like,

What point are you trying to make? Unless you had like a really bad ending and it's like, I do not want to talk to you. Yeah. But if you have like a semi amicable ending and you don't talk, it's kind of like, like saying a mean comment to somebody and then them not responding. And you're like, Oh, that really fell flat. Well, it's also like if I was in public and an ex came up to me, I'd be like, Oh, they're like fully over me. Like they're so mature that they can like come up and say hi to me. Like they are over me. The real stinger. Hi, Jordan. It's so good to see you meet so-and-so.

bro pleasure and then and then the and the best is when the when the new girlfriend knows you're the ex but it's still like oh my god I've heard so many wonderful things about you like you're so pretty it's wonderful to meet you and then you're just like we're on hot we are on the highest road we can possibly be on but it's like a real as soon as they walk away like shots now that's

I always tell Graham, like, if we see an ex, you say hi, you say how are you, you say something nice to them. Yeah, I think the best advice we could give is just always be nice to an ex. Like, unless they're like, we're so mean to you. Yeah, that's fine. But I think the new person's always a reflection of you. Yeah. What do you define as an ex?

Somebody that you called your boyfriend. Oh, okay. Right? Yeah. Well, so I don't know. I feel like I've been calling – I haven't had a boyfriend since I was like – like a boyfriend since I was like 22. But I call a few – I feel like if I dated a guy for a few months, I just call him an ex. Yeah, yeah. I think that's in the lines of like we were dating. Okay. Were you exclusive? Yeah. I think then I think that we're in the realm of –

I haven't thought about like what defines a boyfriend. I know. I always think ex-boyfriend. So I just say if they were boyfriend, they were ex. But that was just like the easy answer. I feel like terms for relationships are just getting so intense these days. Like the other day, my friend was like, what does casual mean? And I'm like...

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And she's like, no. And I'm like, no. Why are there so many terms? I think there's like the lower tier, which are nice. Like you're flirting, you're hooking up, you're talking. And then like you're dating, right? Like dating, boyfriend, all that. And then like your exclusive, I guess, is dating, boyfriend. Dating. No, you're dating. And then he's my boyfriend.

Because what I didn't realize until Mallory told us this the other day was like, we are still asking. No, I did realize this actually. But I mean, and I love this. But one of my friends, like her now boyfriend took her out and was like, will you be my girlfriend? And I was like, correct. We're asking. Like we still, we're still doing the thing where we ask, or is it like BCW my girlfriend? But I think there's like, it has to be a conversation around it. Well, mine's asking you.

I love that. He needs to ask my permission. Yeah. Well, and I need to tell him let's make, let's plan this out. Before he joins me, girl pod. He needs to be a vetted, approved of. Approved. What if you really liked him and I didn't approve of him?

I've ended things with guys because my, I mean, yeah. Furniture. I can think of one specific couch. I dated it. One guy and three of my friends met him and they all three didn't like him. So I immediately was like, I don't like him. And it was like a pretty clear, like if three of my closest friends, all three very different people, by the way, don't like someone I'm dating. I'm the problem. Three is, is absurd. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's just a really bad performance by him. So if you saw someone like my friend Madeline, she is like the toughest critic. And I'm always like, you don't like anyone I date. But I'm like, no shit, you don't because I date shitty guys. You don't like anyone I date. So if you either of you two were like, I don't like someone, I'd be like, OK, I need to reevaluate this relationship ASAP. Maybe you didn't do a good performance. But if you were like, no, I have like a gut feeling, I'd be like, I'm sorry, I can't see you anymore. Yeah. But if three don't like him at a party, then it's like it's bad. Yeah. But it is a lot of pressure.

Yeah. I can win friends over so easily. But like, I feel like a guy, it's so much harder to win girls over. Like girls, it's easy to win guys over. You just have to be fun. Be like, oh my God, let's have drinks, shots, blah. But I feel like for guys to win girlfriends over, it's hard. Yes. And I think that guys misread the friend situation so often because I'm always like,

I always think, what do I want one of my friends guys to do for me? Like to me. And it's, I want you just, I don't want you to buy me a drink. I mean, I do think you should pay for the meals and things like that. And I love when you're like, what do you all want to drink? And he goes to the bar. But the biggest thing you can do is ask a question that's like specific to you because he, he knows about the friends. So it's not like, okay, tell me what you do. It's like, okay, so I know you have to podcast and like ask like a very intentional question. Just one teacher, the friends. And then it makes it feel like he did his homework.

And I'm like, that's all I needed from you. Literally. Just so like one fact, the one I remember this guy we're talking about and he's like, now, which one are you? And then who's that? And I wanted to be like, no, no, no. What it is is, you know, I'm the coach, you know, that's the best friend from back at home. And you know, these things, and you ask just one question. Also, that made me so mad because one,

I'm sorry, but if they don't know who you are, like, you live under a fucking rock. Right, and they must not follow you on Instagram. Like, we have a podcast together. Our faces are all over each other's social media. And two, I'm like so... My friends are my life, so I'm so good about telling people about them in specific detail. Where if I'm like...

If I say something, they should just know who I'm talking about. It's not like I have a friend. I'm like, no, I have one friend. She lives at blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. My other friend lives at blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that if a guy is meeting a girl,

a girl's friends, like the number one thing is just default to questions. Like it's not that hard. You don't have to win them over. You don't have to be the funniest guy in the room. You just look them each in the eye and be like, one question I want to ask you is like, okay, so you're from Oklahoma. Tell me about that. One, one. I went out with my friends, like this was a few months ago. And this guy that my friend went on, like maybe like one or two dates with was there and he likes her. She doesn't really like him, but his friends were also there. We went to this bar and the first thing he does, he like comes up to us. He's like,

hi, I'm blah, blah, blah. What's your name? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All this stuff. And then he's like, what do you guys want to drink? And he's like, he got our drink orders and he was, then they were all at a booth and he's like, take my seat. Like you guys have been like, I'm not going to stay. I'm standing. If you're or I'm standing. No, wait, I'm not going to sit. If you're standing. Yes. Correct. And he was like, so, so much of a gentleman. And we left and I was like, you have to go on a date with that man. She's like, I don't really want to. I'm like,

I was like, that just showed me so much. He also came up to me and goes, what is your friend's favorite restaurant? I'm going to take her on a date there. I love him. I do too. And she won't go on a date with him. She needs to just out of principle of like rewarding good behavior. Like that. He just needs like a dog bone. He literally pulled me aside and was like, I really like her. Like what's your favorite restaurant? Like I'm going to take her on a date there. That is so sweet. And I was like,

I like this guy. I know. And she won't go on a date with him. Oh, I know. It's been like a few months now, so I don't think it's happening. That makes me sad. I know. I was like, but then that goes back to like, there are good guys out there though. So it's a good reminder. There are totally good guys. I mean, I feel like for some reason I was just thinking about how I've been less socially anxious lately.

I know. I don't, I don't, I'm not sure what that is. I'm going to explore that later. But I was thinking like, let's just do it now. I don't know. Like I was thinking about how we were talking about going to those dinners and things. I'm like, I would never. And then I was thinking about Chicago and I'm like, I'm just not that anxious for it. Like I'm not that anxious for tonight. And I usually would be very anxious for,

Well, in Nashville, remember I told – I think we just talked about this on another episode. But I was like, you're so good about going places and meeting people. Remember I said that to you in Nashville? Yeah. You were kind of like, no, I'm not. But I'm like, yeah, you are. But I actually do feel that I've gotten better. You've gotten so – I feel like a few months ago you'd be like, ha, ha, ha. I'm not doing that. That's interesting. Now you go to parties alone or you'll go somewhere and go to an event alone. I'm like, that is so –

Admirable. That was the word I was looking for. That's what we needed. You'll hear that next week when we struggle for that word. Also, remember how we were talking on the podcast? I was like, I can't think of the word from last week. Yes. Charismatic. No. Charismatic. No. Fuck. Oh my God. I literally asked my roommate last night and I was going to write it down. What is it? Something about, it's like cosmic. I don't know. People are going to kill us. We got so many DMs. They're like, what's the word? It's not coincidental. It's chrismic. What's chrismic mean?

I thought it meant charismatic. I think like, I thought it was like you say opinion, I say opinion. I thought we were saying the same word. I don't know. I'm so sorry, you guys. They're going to literally want to kill us. Okay, I want to talk about this DM or this message that I got that you helped me with. Remember I called you and I was like, okay, I never read the comments, but I got a comment. Were you talking about it? Yeah. Okay. Not like specific. Well, I think we talked about the general idea of it. Yeah. Because...

Have some champagne. I can't. I'll lose everything. Okay, fine. You're drinking tonight though, right? Yes. Okay, good, good, good. Yeah, yeah. I'm just a bad day drinker. Respect. I'm also like not in the, like I don't have the leeway right now to be irresponsible with this lingering sickness. So I never read my comments, but I, the ones that pop up up top are obviously the people that I follow or follow me. No, I follow.

That's who pops up up top, right? I think mutuals. Mutuals. Yeah. Okay. And so those are always, that's a safe space to live. But again, I'm just a refresher. Like if I, I always think with these comments, if you don't read them, they don't exist. So I live in a pretty happy place. Yes. Well, on this one day though, I'm just on my phone and, and then I'm like, Oh my gosh, I haven't talked to him since high school. I mean, I talked to him a little bit.

And it's like some comment and it's like, Kelly was right. Like you guys are, I don't know. It just wasn't nice. No, it was not. And I was like, Oh, oof. And so I called Jordan. I'm like, all right, we'll just kind of have one of those moments. And I'm like, this is what he said. We were pretty good friends in high school. And I was like, I mean, we've weathered many storms before, but I was like, this one's just,

I'm kind of like, really? Like, I don't know, DM it to me. And you said, you were like, well, one, that has literally nothing to do with you. So that's probably like a him issue. And then two, I was like, I got a couple responses. And you were like, yeah, let's not send any of those. And I was like, correct. So then I just DM'd them, you know, and I was like,

Well, that was quite a comment because we had such a good rapport back in the day. You guys are very familiar with each other. Yeah, and I love, still to this day, I love his sense of humor and I always thought he always made me laugh. He's married now with kids.

which can we all pause for a second if that's who's commenting on it and so I DM and I'm like man quite the comment you left there and he responds back you're better than that and I when I got the you're better than that I thought no I'm not better than that I am we should talk about what he was commenting on where I was saying guys should court girls yeah out of all our clips

He was mad that you think a man should court a woman. And I just wanted to say, I send him just a blue heart back. Cause I'm like, really proud of you. But what I, I just, when I read that you're better than that, I was like, no, I'm not. I am. That is, that's all I got right there. Like, and I want to be that good. Like I, of course I think guys should court girls, but I was like, that's not even the point. Like to say you're better than that. I was like, damn, like, yes, I think you're better than commenting that on my Instagram posts. But,

We can't all walk around and beg for better than that. So then I thought about this. I thought none of this is the point. The point is he said a mean thing at my very low level head initially was respond back with something like got him. But Jay Shetty told me it's a long time ago. There's no worse feeling than like rehearsing your comeback and then always assume you send it and they don't respond. Okay, that feels so bad.

So what feels best is like seeing what they say. And it's like, it has nothing. What people think of you has nothing to do with you. Yes. And so if you respond back, you've just made it something to do with you. But then it's like just sitting in the heart. It's like, and then there it is. Like it had, it just like dismisses it out into the open. Anytime someone says,

sends a hate comment or is mean to another person or is like, I hate them. It's a reflection of their own insecurities. Yes. Like maybe his wife got mad at him the night before because he doesn't court her anymore.

Or maybe his wife saw that clip and was like, I want you to do more in the marriage. And he was like, now I'm insecure. That's a reflection of his insecurity. And he's putting it onto you. Or it could even be she saw it and was like, this is great. Because it's like a deeper rooted. She didn't even have the... She's jealous. You don't even ever know. Yeah. Like...

because like every single time I'm like I don't like her it's like okay Jordan why not oh I'm jealous of her that's why yeah you go a little deeper every time I'm like oh it's actually because she has what I want yeah it's so it's all it's always a reflection of ourselves it hits like some nerve yeah and at the end of the day you feel better now because you just sent a purple a blue heart and he is gonna have to sit with that nasty comment he sent you for the rest of his life and now the relationship is ruined

No, not for me. If I see him, I'm beelining over and saying hi. Okay. That's very mature of you. Absolutely. But I mean, like, would you want to be friends with him still? Oh, that's what I mean. Like the friendship is kind of tampered with now. Yeah. I mean, I won't forget that one. Yeah. I'll be like, ah, dang. Like, but we're not like currently still friends, but oh my God, I would run over to him if I saw him. I would be, I would truly be so excited to see him. And now I'd have to be like, hey, yeah.

But who's going to feel awkward? Him, not you. Oh, him. I'll be like, well, it got a little hater over here. Yeah. Might take a selfie. Like your ex. Well, like my ex. Like your ex, like my ex. Should we look at our list? Um, yes. I actually have something from the list. I have. Oh, you've got it memorized. What? I have a. Does that surprise you? No.

What you got off the list? I have a tip. Oh! We love tips. So first, it was a tip for dating, but it's actually a tip that you can use too. Okay. If you just want to win anyone over. Oh. So I was... I don't remember where... Who...

Actually, oh my God. It was Dr. Emily who's coming on the pod next week. It was on her podcast. Oh, yes. That's so funny. Yeah. So Dr. Emily Morris is coming on. She'll be on next week's episode. And I've been binge listening to all her podcasts. And she was saying a tip when you are trying to break sexual tension or break

more so like kind of like show somebody that you are interested in them. So like if you're like, if you're like a guy or if you're a girl who likes a guy, if you're a guy who likes a girl, anyone, and you like want to show them that like you like them, you're supposed to make sure you always say their name. So I'd be like, oh, Alex, you're so funny. That's me. You're so funny.

But you could use this in any part of the world. Like, it's supposed to just... Because when people hear their name, it's like a positive reinforcement. We're all selfish human beings. We love when people say our name. But I was thinking about that, and I love when people say my name. Okay. So if someone, like, touched your arm and was like...

oh, Alex, you look beautiful tonight. You'd be like, versus just like, you look great tonight. No way. I do love when people say my name actually, right? Well, first of all, it shows they remember. Yeah. Like also I'll say this, there's nothing better than being in like a group and you just met a couple people and then you're able to keep talking and be like, well, Greg, and like do a call back to him. I always do. You do feel, you notice that. Yeah. As opposed to like, wait, where are you from? Like, wait, Greg, where are you from? You're right. It's like, there's nothing. I also think when you do meet somebody,

they say oftentimes you forget their name because you're like looking at their face and there's so much going on but I always my dad taught me like really young he was like you grab that name like you grab their hand and then you say the name you say like a couple more times in your head to make sure you get it but if a guy like has the wherewithal to do that to you I would think that you would find that so attractive what you're bad at that you don't remember anybody's names you get the wrong name no I'm great with names I always come up with like funny things like if I met if I met like um

If I met you, or if I met a Michael, I'd be like, Michael Jordan in my head. I'd be like, oh, Michael. Right. No, but I'm laughing because you know how you're so good at eye contact? So I've been trying to be better at eye contact. And the last few people's hands I shook, I've missed their hand. No way.

in Nashville when you were sitting there with that guy. I don't know if you noticed it, but I'm like looking at his eyes and I'm like, be better, be better. Oh, I contacted. I missed their hand. It's happened twice. Wait, do you know how to do it? No. Okay. When you're shaking someone's hand, you go like this, contact dead to the eyes. That's what you do. So you look, look till you get it. And then it's I one, two, three. And then there's, you say your name during that. So this is me. Yeah.

it happen in front of you shannon and hannah in nashville i was so embarrassed i was like i pray to god no one reckoned with you guys no you okay hand shakers you follow the hand to the hand until they make it and then you go straight up and then you say hi i'm so-and-so and then you shake because i'm really trying to work on eye contact i love that because i think eye contact is the most powerful thing in the world because i'm realizing like it's not awkward for anyone but me like

if I'm talking to you and I'm giving you eye contact, you're not thinking about how much I'm looking at you. No. You're only thinking about how much you're looking at me. Correct. And you disassociate from it too. You're like, I just am locked on that. And like, I'm looking and there's nothing says I'm listening, like making eye contact. Yeah. And the confidence.

Yes, and I think a lot of people think it's awkward because you're like, which am I looking at an eye and I are the middle of the nose? But it's like look at this like I'm on your left eye. I'm on your right eye and I'm in the middle of your nose They all look like eye contact. I know especially the middle of the nose to the eye. I never noticed you can never tell I know I'm really trying to work on my my body language I'm trying to also not cross my arms as much because when you cross your arms are so Off-putting to people and closed off and closed off and we've always talked about this like

To be more approachable at bars, like if you want people to talk to you or like when you walk in somewhere, people can sense your energy. And I the other day noticed I was going like this at a bar and I'm like, no one is like not even my friends really want to talk to me. I'm like, well, it's because I look like I don't want to talk to you like a little bitch. Yeah. The difference between like, hi, how are you? Hi, how are you? Yeah. It's like crazy.

I know. So I'm trying to work on my body language. No crossed arms, more eye contact, and saying people's names. I love that. And when you don't know what to do, I notice this the other day. Like, I never know what to do with my hands sometimes. And somebody taught me, like, if you just make, like, this little symbol right here, and, like, you go back and forth, it constantly gives you something to do with them. So if you're, like, having to stand and say something, yeah, like, you just do, like, a little something with these two hands. Oh, yeah.

And just like slightly like, so you're focused on going right to left on the nail. Then if you're like having to say something to a camera or something, instead of being like, I don't know what to do with my hands. You just go like that. And it gives your brain. Cause like you want to do like the movie. You're like, I don't know what to do with my hands. It's like, cause you need to do something with it. Cause we feel so awkward with these things. You have fricking baseball mitts as hands. There are, are they actually how many times? How many times? They are pretty big. They are pretty big. They photograph large.

They are large. They're not like that, like that. They're not like, you can't like palm. I bet you can't palm a basketball. I don't know. I've never tried. You should try. Okay, I'll try that. Yeah, I feel like for those who are having their hot girl summer and dating, it's like try those body language things. Like men and women, like you will be very surprised by how much more likely someone is to talk to you, approach you, or like feel the mood if you're more engaging. And posture. Yeah.

up to the ears, up, up, back down. It is like the world and the way you feel about yourself this way. This is, I noticed somebody doing it the other day and they were in a bad head space and I was watching them slump over more. And it's like, if you just, the moment you do that, you feel better about yourself. Like this looks so bad. It's so bad. Versus that says I'm confident and talk to me and I'll respond. Eye contact baby. Yeah. Yeah.

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Jordan and I are, I've been to therapy three times this week. You go, we know every Wednesday is your slot because we're Jordan and I are constantly saying we want to be our best selves, but in life it's very important to play offense instead of defense and therapy. Sometimes you don't even know what you're feeling, but your therapist has a way of explaining it to you. Yeah. I'm going to talk about my interaction with my ex this week. It's going to be great. Yeah. See, and you know what? Sometimes you just need to, I always call it a knot and then you go in there and you unknot it and you feel so much better. Yeah.

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In context that he loves her. Okay, she keeps asking me about getting Botox and if she needs it. In parentheses, her friends all get it. I always say no because she has gorgeous skin. However, she does have a gummy smile. Her friend did a lip flip Botox that transformed her smile and fixed the gummy smile. Do you think I could recommend this to my fiance without offending her? She has beautiful teeth. I think this could take her smile to the next level. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The last thing I want to do is offend her. Okay, so at first...

At first, you're like, it's sweet because he's asking, does she wants Botox? And he's like, she's beautiful and doesn't need it. And then he's like, I want to recommend something different to her. I know. That's what got me. So and that's the thing that's hard. It's like when if you were to tell me to fix my gummy smile.

I would probably be like, thank you. But if a guy told me to fix something on my face, I'd remember that for the rest of my life. It would actually traumatize me. See, even to you, if I said, hey, I really want to get Botox and you were like, OK, but also like a little lip. But like maybe not Botox is your skin's beautiful, but a little lip filler could help. I'd be like, so not what I thought. But this instead, like you had already picked out on me what could help and I didn't pick it.

I didn't even think about it. Once you said out loud, that totally reshaped my thoughts. Yeah. You're like not the one you suggested, but I have noticed this one part that could really take you to the next level. She probably knows the gummy thing exists, but she likes her smile. Yeah. That's not what she wants to fix. Or she's not ready to. I mean, like when I got Botox, I did Botox and then I fixed my lips. Like that's a really scary thing to fix your mouth because it will literally change the way you look.

Maybe she just needs to start off small and she'll get there on her own. You need a gummy smile too. Like, I don't know. I mean, I know what it means, but like, I don't know. She could love her smile. Like your smile is something about you. When I got braces, my dad was so upset.

And I was like, why are you upset? And he was like, I just love the smile that you were born with. Like my teeth weren't that bad. But my dad was like, the smile is one of like the few things that's like so unique on a person and it can show your emotion. And so he was like, I really don't want you to get braces. But he's like, get them. But like my teeth weren't that bad. And I was like, that is really sweet. And so I feel like with this gummy smile, it's probably like a really cute part about her. It's not like cleaning out the forehead lines. Also, her whole face.

face will shape will change if she gets rid of her gummy smile like I've had friends who've done it and they look fabulous now like literally so good but it was their own decision but it truly changes the way you look like your smile if you change that

Remember when I got Botox and it fucked my smile up and I didn't smile with my teeth for like two months? Yeah, your smile's like all you got. It totally changed my face and my confidence and so much about me. Yeah, I don't think... You can't say anything. I think you can say yes or no to the Botox, but I think recommending your fiance to change a feature is like, I would be heartbroken.

broken also shattered don't worry bro the doctor will probably recommend it like you don't even know how you know a doctor's like have you ever thought about fixing this when you like go in for botox yeah like that one time i was i got botox in new york and this is the first time or this is before i even worked at barstool she was like do you know that your face is not symmetrical if you ever thought about getting botox i was like i was like what right i was like she's like if you get it here this will fix your face you'll have a symmetrical face i was like

okay like they'll tell you you don't even mean if you ask yeah if you say oh i didn't even ask she just told me and it's like i don't know like let the doctor do the dirty work for you

He can't say anything. Yeah, and I don't think the gummy smile's too specific. That's like, because it's like such an insecurity that a lot of people have. Like, you can't. No. I would be, I'm with you. I'd be so distraught. I would probably end the engagement. I'd just be like very sad. I can't get married now. You don't think I'm pretty.

I would take that as you don't think I'm pretty. Absolutely. Yeah. Because your smile is everything. Yeah. That's yeah. The answer to that is new. Yeah. You cannot do that. You fell in love with her with the gummy smile. You're going to live with her with the gummy smile. Yeah. And they can be her idea and you can support her in that. But you don't get to suggest it to her. No. I also think guys can never suggest girls to fix anything. No. Like they can support you if it's your thought.

They can't be like, I don't know, like a boob job could be cool. Can you imagine if you're dating someone, they're like, have you ever thought about getting a lip filler, a boob job, maybe like a BBL? I'd be like, okay. Do you know the word that goes into any of this? I'd be like, God, have you ever thought about it?

Getting XYZ. Have you ever thought about getting your dick enlarged? I got a couple ideas for you, actually. I made a little list. And guess what? You can't fix any of them. Because you won't go do it. Because you'd be like, it's not. You can't get Botox. Men can easily get their... I don't even know if it's technically their dick or if it's their prostate enlarged. Like, it's a normal thing now. I learned that from Sex and the Emily, too. I did know that they could, but I don't understand the inner workings of it. Like, does it, when it gets hard and things like that, is it still working the same? So I think the one that I learned about...

Was it will look the same, but it will grow larger. Do they have the same feeling intact? Yeah. They have all the same sensitivities. Oh, I'm 90% sure. Yeah. That's better than a boob job. Yeah. But I think men should realize it's like we've always talked about. It's the motion. You know, many guys have asked me that recently. What? Where it's like, does size matter? And we're always like, no, it's the motion of the ocean. I really, the more we talk about it, like very firm on the fact that it, it's like, um,

We always talk about the way a girl carries herself is everything. It's like the same with the guy. It's the same with like how you even kiss. Same way you hold a hand. Like if you just go in and you're like, I want to hold it. Or if you're like, I don't know. It's just like confidence is everything the way you do anything. Yeah, I was at a bar this past weekend. And I don't know why men think we have the answers to anything. But they ask us so many questions. Yeah.

I'm like, I don't know any answer. But actually, I do have to tell you something. Same. So this guy came up to me at the bar. And Alex, it was the nicest thing anyone's ever said about us. He was like, I cannot thank you and Alex enough. Well, first of all, it's so funny because whenever people see me, now you're like, where's Alex? I'm like, she's actually hiding in the bathroom. She's being antisocial. She's in a different state. But he was like, you guys have literally helped me so much. He's like, I'm new to New York. You guys have literally helped me so much, like make friends, go on dates, like how to talk to girls. And I'm like, what?

that's so sweet I was like you were the nicest human being I've ever met I was like I just like cannot thank people who are that sweet like it makes my day take time out of their day to say it yeah at NASCAR somebody came up to me and asked me for relationship advice very specifically man or woman man and I was like oh I don't know he was like she went through my phone and I was like I don't

I was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's like when you're stuck on the airplane next to that guy. Yeah, I'm like, I do not literally know the answer. She should not know why she's going through your phone, but then she can't unsee what she saw, so y'all got a whole path going on for you. But...

I was like, wow, I think people think that we know. Yeah, these two guys were like, so does dick size matter? And I was like, motion of the ocean. We're just doing the best we can out here. And then these other two guys were like, we were talking about can you be friends with girls and can girls be friends with guys? And we were just, I'm just like, I am not. I think that our NASCAR friends have taught us you can be friends with guys. Okay, but to that defense of my own,

They are a lot older. That is true. For my type. Yes, yes. Like, you're not attracted to them. Correct. Okay, that does make sense. But I do think... Because imagine those guys all being 28. That would be very... Shit would go down. I can't imagine you dating Ron, but I guess you would. I don't know. But it's, like, so funny because you always... I love Mary Ron. I love him. I know. You still can marry Ron. Yes. The options are literally on the table. I always think it's funny because you say, like...

You take these guys versus these girls. Like you're picking the girls every time because you would never be friends with a guy because unless you were attracted to them. These guys, though, I think you have so much fun with that they've reinvigorated this. Like you love the group text with them. Like you love all this stuff. It's like I think you can guy friend with them. But if they I will be honest, if they were all single in our age, I would for sure probably fall in love with one of them. Yeah. Yeah.

But these two guys, they made a comment because they were trying to argue with me. They're like, girls and guys can be friends. And I was like, all right, who's your best girlfriend? Okay, sorry. One of them was like, girls and guys can be friends. The other was like, no, they can't. And I was like, okay, to the guy. I was like, okay, who's your best girlfriend? And he was like, Stacey. And I'm like, Stacey hot. And then the other guy's like, Stacey's so fucking hot. And I'm like, okay, so she's hot and she's your best friend. He's like, yeah. I was like, all right, so Stacey walked in your room naked and said, let's have sex. You would say no. And he goes. He wishes Stacey would. He goes, well. Then I go, point proven.

Like you would have sex with her in a heartbeat. Yeah. I don't know. I still think they can be friends. I mean, I just think you can't be a, I think that you can be friends with guys, but I, you cannot be attracted to them. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, the older I'm getting, the more men I'm realizing, like, I can be friends with that I'm not. But also it's because we're making so many different types of friendships. I was going to say, these people, we don't talk to them Monday, Tuesday. Like, you don't, you're very just like, yeah, I can sit at a dinner with you and I'm not miserable and I have a very good time. That's what I mean by friend. They cannot be your best friend. Like, he knows everything about me. No. No.

Also too, when you start to know people's backgrounds a little bit more, you know maybe someone they've dated, you're just like, eh, I'm off limits. But most guys, our age, when you meet them, you know nothing about them. But these guys that we met with NASCAR, we know so much about them. I know about their past lives, their relationships, all this stuff where I'm like,

No, I just couldn't. So now I see you platonically as a friend. As a friend. You've got guy friends. You've got a 60-year-old guy friend. Besides the gay one. Besides the gay one that you have a crush on. But he's aware of that. Oh, so aware. This gay guy sits down at the table and Jordan's like, he's not gay. And I'm like, no, he has a boyfriend. She's like, he's very hot. And I was like, okay, he likes boys. Still proceeds the whole night to hang out with him. Okay. Literally, he sat down and I was like, he saw it and Alex was like,

I'm like that. No, he's no, he's not gay. You know what? A girl can dream. I loved it. He loved it. He was so funny. He saw me like the whole night was fun because he was just like fun. He's just so fun. Can you think he's so hot? I'm going to say what I was going to say. Say it. I was going to say maybe I'll try to turn him straight. I think that that's that you could definitely say that. We'll see him again. That could be like your. I mean, the pictures that just keep getting sent my way. New bio.

turned my boyfriend straight to be very clear we have a group chat with like all these guys that we're friends with but they keep sending me pictures of him and i'm like why are you doing this to me because they know you think he's hot i know i'm like and he's so in and also like they're sending me like good like everything's good about him he's such a hard worker he designed this i'm like stop you're not making this easier for me we're not gonna tell you the bad things

I know. And that's because they're good friends. Yeah, that's true. I'll see him again soon. You will. Hopefully. I know. We keep saying that. I'm like, we don't know when we're going to see our friends. We'll text them and ask them right after this. We'll say, when can we hang out with you guys? Yeah. Okay, let's go. All right, AB. One more happy birthday. Happy birthday. Thank you very much. When this episode comes out, you'll be part of the 30 Club. I can't wait. You'll be a 30-year-old. I need to be someone who's more mature. Yes.

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