Congresswoman Lisa McClain: No One Is Ever Held Accountable
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And, look, he always had good members joining. You kind of wonder who they're going to be and how they're going to be in Congress. And I was watching a number of weeks ago the Secret Service hearing. Now, look, I used to chair the Oversight Committee. I'd like to think I know a little bit about it. And I thought Lisa McClain's questioning of the Secret Service director was one of the best questions.

executed questioning statements. It was just the best. She was really, really good. She was on point. She listened to what the director said. She asked logical questions and kind of wrapped the director around her own words and

If you go back and watch that segment, you'll be highly impressed. You'll think, all right, this is somebody who knows how to get to the nub of the issue, how to question somebody. And so I had never really, you know, interacted with her, but we're, so now we're, we made contact and we're going to do this podcast and learn a lot more about her because she

She really does know how to do this. Sometimes that just happens because they know how to do it. Sometimes it happens because, you know, they have experience. I don't know. But we're going to look forward to having that discussion with her because, boy, if she can question witnesses this way, we need to get her some seniority so that she can go at the top of the roster because she's really quite good at it.

So we're going to talk a little bit about some of the things in the news, and then we're going to highlight the stupid because there's always somebody doing something stupid.

And we got around the globe. We got three beauties for this this week. So let's start with some of the stuff in the news. We're coming up the launch of the Democratic National Convention. It's Monday through Thursday. It's being kicked off with Joe Biden. Joe Biden is basically going to give his exit and then he's going to leave town. I mean, he literally is going to give a speech and then he's out of there.

He's just done. You know, he continues to be the president of the United States. But I think it's very difficult for Joe Biden to hang around for a few days when the party summarily kicked him out of the party. I don't think he liked the way that went down. He's finally started to say a couple things again.

The thing that will be interesting to watch, and I'm sure it'll happen, they're going to laud him like he was George Washington himself. And, you know, Nancy Pelosi saying, oh, I want to put him on the he should be he's so consequential. He should be on the on the Mount Rushmore, you know, the fifth president on Mount Rushmore. Are you kidding me? I have a hard time struggling to figure out what Joe Biden has done over the last three and a half years other than

you know, preside over a situation where the world is on fire, open up the borders where you have literally tens of millions of people here illegally. You've got an economy that is, if they had just continued to do what Donald Trump was doing, would have been fine. And you have a president who seems to be compromised in his mental capacity and agility,

um and they're gonna you know so they finally get to the point where he gets just whooped in a debate and was obviously going to lose the election so they go in and basically decide that hey you're out and somebody else is in and you know kind of stabbing him in the back so to speak and now they're gonna laud him like he's just you know the greatest president there's ever been in his the consequential time i mean

It's just so political. It just kind of makes you gag. But they'll do what they do on Monday night. And then followed by President Obama, I'm sure President Clinton, and then you have Kamala Harris and the vice president along the way, Tim Walz. Now, keep in mind, you have Kamala Harris who's still not answering questions.

And one of the things that's just unfathomable to me, if that's how you pronounce that word, is that on Friday, Kamala Harris revealed some of her economic plan. Now, she has simultaneously said for three and a half plus years, Bidenomics is working, with a little laugh about it. Oh, it's just popular. That's what we call Bidenomics. It's working.

But then she also goes out and says, well, on day one, I'm going to make lowering prices my number one priority. Well, why aren't you doing it now? It's been three and a half years. You've been at the helm. Don't tell me you're going to suddenly start working on it. You've got a Kamala Harris. I don't know that she can define what inflation is, what causes it, because it's been the Biden policies, the Biden-Harris policies that have created this inflation. So she wants to drive down prices. And one of her

suggestions coming out on Friday is she wants to activate price controls all my goodness this is gonna make the situation so much worse so much worse so if you think about rising prices and why those prices are so high her solution is we're gonna go after the people that are gouging you and she targeted the grocery industry now the grocery industry is typically as a sector one of the lowest margin sectors that there is

It's roughly a 1.6% margin industry. So I don't know where she thinks she's going to drive down the prices. And I'm sure the grocery industry is now looking forward to her solution, which is very socialist, very almost like what communism would do. And it goes to the heart and soul of what her belief system is.

She wants the government to take control of what the prices of your groceries will be. Now, some will say, oh, that sounds great. They're going to drive them down. No, folks, that's not going to work.

markets to develop these. You've got to develop a good product at a great price and drive value. And that's what allows people to make these economic decisions on what to purchase. For her to suggest that the way to solve this problem is just to have the government take over this. Are you kidding me? That will drive us nuts. It will make things ultimately more expensive, not less expensive.

And it's never worked. It's what they do in communist countries. And it's just for her to suggest that price controls are the way to go. Wow. That is going to be met with an absolute thud. It is going to be an absolute disaster. But it goes to the heart of what she believes and what she thinks. So...

You've got the DNC, you've got Kamala Harris doing this, and the last thing I want to mention is she needs to do some press conferences. She needs to do some hard contrast. This is truly, I think, a contrast election, a choice election, if you will, because the policies of the two candidates could not be further apart. And you have four years of tested, tried and true Donald Trump elections.

And then you have Kamala Harris coming out and saying, oh, well, you know, I've got to go a totally different direction. That direction is not more centrist. That is not more populist. It's actually going lurching further to the left, further to the left than we've ever been as a nation.

And that would scare a lot of people. It certainly scares me. So those are the three things. All right, time to bring out the stupid because you know what? There's always somebody doing something stupid somewhere. All right, this one just cracks me up. This comes out of California. They're evidently having problems with Waymo cars. You know what a Waymo car is? This is a driverless car. You can use them to essentially...

summon the car, get in it, it'll drive you to the next destination. Well, evidently they got to park them at night, right? And there's the headline from ABC7, Waymo cars honk at each other throughout the night, disturbing San Francisco neighbors. So it's driverless. It has a set of parameters. It's been controlled to the point where, you know, if something happens,

or somebody's in proximity of the car, it will honk. And evidently, these parking lots that they have developed for these Waymo cars are in such close proximity that if something sets it off, they start honking. If one honks, the other one starts honking. And next thing you know, you've got a whole parking lot full of honking Waymo cars, and they don't know how to change the programming over this. Um...

So this, they have this quote here from this Randall White. This is what he said. I was like, where are they coming from? And I looked down and I was like, I think it's coming from the Waymo cars. And he goes on to say, quote, over the past two weeks, I've been woken up more times overnight than I have combined over 20 years.

Oh, they're going to have to figure this out. Can you imagine these cars start honking each other and then they don't know how to stop? That just cracks me up. All right, number two. This is pretty, you know, you're trying to do something nice. You're trying to do something good. And then this happens. So this comes from ABC News. A food bank unknowingly distributes candy made from potentially lethal amount of meth.

A charity working with homeless people in Auckland, New Zealand, unknowingly distributed candies filled with a potentially lethal dose of methamphetamine in its food parcels after the sweets were donated by a member of the public. Somebody donated all this food. Oh my gosh, you're going to kill somebody. You're just trying to be a food bank and help somebody who's struggling and needs a meal and you're out there delivering meth-laced products. Ouch.

All right. And this, look, he's a super good player. But here's the headline that we're seeing. It's from USA Today Sports. Dodgers star Mookie Betts, and he is an exceptional player, refused to stay at a haunted hotel in Milwaukee again. He's convinced that this Pfister Hotel in Milwaukee, which was built in 1893, is haunted again.

And so he won't stay with the team in there. He's gone and booked his own hotel and said, look, I can't stay there. This place is haunted. You've got to like Moog. I like him all the more. That's just maybe a little stupid, but you've got to like him all the more because the poor guy's scared. One of the best baseball players on the face of the planet. That's the stupid.

All right. So time to bring on our our guest. Let's dial up Congresswoman Lisa McClain of Michigan. Congresswoman, thanks for joining us. I'm Jason Chaffetz. Nice to meet you, although we're not together, but nice to meet you. Well, it's nice to meet you as well. So I'm excited. I'm excited. It's a good day. It's a good day.

Well, it's some crazy times. I mean, presidential election years, they're notorious for being so volatile. And every day you wake up and think, oh, my goodness, what in the world is going on? Well, if I've learned one thing in my life in politics is that three months is an eternity in politics. So much can change. It's crazy. I mean, we were just at the convention, right? And it was, you know, it was electric, right? I am crazy.

talked about the convention being almost like a revival. And then 10 days later, you know, we have Biden drops out and Harris is our potential nominee and everything gets flipped on its head. It's just, it's an eternity. Time is an eternity in politics. So, so what in the world possessed you to get into this crazy game of politics? I mean, you sound like a sane person from everything I've seen and read. Why, why ruin your life and get involved in politics?

Oh, you're funny. You sound exactly like my mom. The real story is I never had any intention truly to be in politics. I mean, I was always politically, you know, in tune with what was going on, but I was never part of the state party or go to meetings. I was a business owner.

And I would always go to events, but I was always on the other side. I was on the donor side of the events, right? And I have Sunday dinner. I'm Italian. I have four kids. Everyone comes home for Sunday dinner, four o'clock. We're sitting around the table. I'm, you know, griping. It's my time to hold court. My youngest daughter, Ryan, looks at me and I think she was tired of listening to me on my soapbox and said, Mom, you can either be part of the problem or part of the solution. Very sassy. And I said,

And she's like, why don't you run for Congress and do something about it then? Wow. Kind of sassy. And then it just so happened two weeks later that Paul Mitchell, who held my seat before me, decided to retire. And I'm like, wow, what do I have to lose? I was very naive, very naive. And now I got my family together and I said, why not?

So I threw my hat in the ring and I'm figuring like, what do I have to lose? And here I am. So that's really, I mean, it's not a great story, but that's kind of the story. It is, I can share with you, it's been the best decision I've made, though. I absolutely love it.

Love it. It's fun. It's exciting. And my learning has been off the charts. So I'm happy I did it. I'm having fun and plan on doing it till I'm not having fun anymore. Well, good for you. I mean, we need good people that are jumping in and doing it. And you really showed up on my radar with that Secret Service program.

hearing. Now, you and I didn't overlap. You know, I served in Congress for more than eight years. I was chairman of that committee once upon a time. And we did this deep dive into the Secret Service, two and a half year investigation, 400 plus page report, 150 plus security incidents we looked at. And the same types of problems are just even worse today. I mean, with the shooting of Donald Trump and, you know, loss of life of

and injuries to others. And it's so unnecessary because... Anyway, so I was paying keen attention to that and the whole country is watching it. And I, quite frankly, I really thought...

You did some of the best questioning because you were just methodical and you got right to the point and you made her answer those questions and you used logic. And by the time you got to the end of your, her five minutes, she was kind of embarrassed because you just demonstrated who she was. How'd you do that? Well,

You're very kind. That comes, I think, a little bit with my naivety is on the over. You know, I love the oversight committee, but it's what I've learned is you got to get straight to the point because five minutes is a long time. Yeah. But I had sat down.

through the hearings and I had listened to the people before me question her and I saw that she wasn't getting the answers you know she wasn't giving the answers in fact I think she prepped on how not to answer the question as opposed to prepping on how to answer the question which

It's kind of been an angst of mine in general is everybody wants to be in charge, Jason, right up until the you know what hits the fan. And then everybody scurries. And it's not me. You know, it's this person. It's that person. It's local law enforcement. It's the FBI. But as I was listening, she kept saying, you know, I got to defer that to the FBI. I got to defer that to the FBI. Right.

And I thought there was something missing there. So finally, I just said, well, have you spoken to the FBI? And she said, yeah. And I said, well, do you know the answers to the questions? Like how many showcasing's are on the roof? And I went through a couple and she's like, yeah. And I just got incensed. I said, so let me get this right.

You're in charge. You've spoken to the FBI. You know the answers to the questions that we're answering, that we're asking you. And you just refuse to give us and the American people the answers to the question. That's unbelievable to me. Unbelievable to me. Yeah, I...

Good. I was just going to say, I really think Chairman Comer could have held her in contempt. You're there under a subpoena. You're testifying before Congress. Imagine if our legal system or our congressional system, if everybody said, oh, that's a tough one. That's going to be bad. I'm just not going to answer that one. I mean, that's not the way our system works. You can plead the fifth. If you want to plead the fifth, go ahead.

But if you're not and you know the answer, you need to answer that question. Otherwise, you get to be held in contempt. And that's the very reason why we subpoenaed her. Yes. Was to make her answer the questions.

And if I'm not mistaken, didn't we hold some other people in contempt that didn't show up? Didn't they serve some jail time? But anyways, that's a different topic for a different day is the two-tiered legal system.

But think about it. The committee, the oversight committee, as you well know, isn't the most bipartisan committee on Capitol Hill. But that day it was bipartisan. And I was you know, both sides were were really gunning for her. You know, the Dems took it a little bit on the gun control. I get it. But for the most part, it was pretty bipartisan.

Because I think the complacency that's going on there and in every, not every, I'll say a lot of the other government agencies, right?

I don't think there's this big conspiracy theory with what happened with the assassination attempt. I could be wrong, but, you know, I'm not surprised that people believe that because still to this day, almost a month later, there's been no press conference. It's getting very little coverage in the news.

And we still don't have any facts other than the autopsy report that said the shooter died from a gunshot. Really, we couldn't figure that out. But think about that is I think part of the reason why it happened was we're complacent.

We are absolutely complacent. And I did my I did my research. I did my you know, I did my due diligence. We've doubled the Secret Services budget, doubled their budget and increased personnel by 25 percent. And they still can't do their job. Isn't that sad? Yeah. I mean, having looked at this, I do believe it comes down some core issues. Recruitment.

Training is a huge, massive part of it. Communications, technology and workload. And those were the five things that we highlighted. And I don't think they've gotten better on any of that. And one of the other key things that just bothers me to no end is we made a recommendation. Ours was very bipartisan as well. I did it with Elijah Cummings.

And then, I believe it was Secretary Jay Johnson also put together this quote unquote blue ribbon panel. I think it was just four people, but handpicked by the Obama administration because they wanted to get it right, too. And the unanimous recommendation was next Secret Service director must be, should be,

Somebody not from within the organization, somebody that does not have ties and friendships and everything else in place and can give it a good, new, clean, fresh look. And so what did Biden and Harris do? They hired the person who was on the Biden-Harris detail. And it was like a friend of theirs. And that was exactly the wrong answer.

Well, it was exactly the wrong answer. And, you know, I don't think the Secret Service has gotten better. I would argue that they've gotten worse. And perhaps if we spent more time training on the job and less time on DEI and all this other training, perhaps, perhaps we could have done a better job. But that's a little bit of my sassiness coming out. It's frustrating. Yeah.

It is very, very frustrating. Yeah, I don't want to linger and make this all about the Secret Service, but to that last point, you know, it is a matter of time. I think when...

Congress dives further into this, you're going to find that the training, I mean, you had agents who couldn't holster their gun. They, the extraction was terrible, right? They didn't know how to get, get the president out of there. So my guess is that when we go back and look at it, you're going to find that the training was next to zero. And I mean, literally next to zero. So,

Um, you know, most of the times it's a boring job. Uh, but then when something does happen, it all happens. So, all right. I want to go back though, because let's, I want to figure out more about you. So start with, I was born in, and I'm not talking about the year I'm talking location. Um, like what was life like brothers, sisters? What was, let's go back and learn a little bit more about you. Yeah.

Well, I was born. I've been a Michigander my whole life. So I was born in Bathford Hospital, which is in Farmington Hills. Spent my early years in the suburbs of Detroit, a city called Livonia. Then in sixth grade, I moved to a little town called Jackson.

And graduated from Jackson, played three sports. I say that because if you if you would know me, I'm 4'11". So I'm not very tall. No, I did not know that. Yeah. I played three sports because my graduating class was 100 people. We didn't have a lot of options. Yeah.

say we you know I don't have any brothers and sisters um it was really my mom and I um my dad was in and out so I don't really talk about him much I don't give him credit for much at all I give my mom all the credit in the world so I um I never never you know I went to college two years um

Quit, started working. What did you want to do? Look, you have the ability to speak. You gained a lot of skill sets for somebody who didn't have brothers and sisters. So what were you doing? Like, not everybody wants to...

you know, put themselves out there, do the public speaking, ask questions. What were, what were some of those things earlier and earlier in your life where you thought, Oh, that was sort of a precursor to a skillset that served me well in business. And then ultimately in Congress, you know, I, I,

I think it has to do with my career. So I worked for a financial planning company and then we quit and started our own company and we had to talk to people all day long. It was sales, right? So I spent 35 years in the sales industry. We were selling a service, financial planning, which is no different really than Congress. You're selling, I'm selling an idea, right?

And I have to be able to articulate my idea. And a lot of times you have to take a very complex or complicated idea and articulate it in very layman's terms so people can understand. So I was used to public speaking. I was used to selling myself or, you know, or an idea because that's what I spent 35 years doing, right? Convincing people to buy my product.

Um, and, and I was good at it. I mean, I have the gift of gab. I enjoy people. And I think that comes from growing up as an only child. I loved being around people, um,

So for me, it's easy. You know, I can go in and talk to anybody, whether you're, you know, a homeless person on the street, which we do, or, you know, a billionaire. We're all just people. I look at the world through maybe a different lens. And it's just easy for me. I also think my years in business...

I have pretty good gut instincts, so I can sniff out whether you're BSing me or not in about two seconds. You can tell if a person is genuine or not, right? And I think that's a good skill to have. So that's serving you well in business, but where did you get this sort of taste, if you will, of public service or paying attention to –

to politics and the world around you. Not every, you know, every kid growing up, not everybody takes that, you know, they may glance at the paper, watch the evening news. What was it like for you? We had a, like in our business, we had a financial planning business, but we always had to keep up to date on more of the financial markets and really what was going on in the world because what was going on around us

indirectly sometimes affected our business, right? You know, we're going to get interest rates, hikes, what's going to happen with the market, what happens with the presidential elections, what do we think is going to happen, et cetera, et cetera. So we were always, as a business owner, we were always in tune with, you know,

the economic situation around us. And I was more of the face person for the company. But we talked about it weekly, sometimes daily, right? We would have company meetings and we would talk about what's our next product, where do we see the puck going, for example. So we were always in tune with it. The other thing I think that really piqued my interest was

Kind of a sad story, but one of my friends, her son passed away from, I don't want to say a drug overdose, but it's your typical high school athlete, blows his shoulder out, goes, gets surgery, gets hooked on Oxycontin and the rest. We all know all that story. And I was mad, Jason. I was livid. I don't know who I was mad at, but I was mad, right? Yeah.

And there was nothing to be done. And I can hear my mom, well, you got to do, you know, you can be part of the problem or part of the solution. Why don't you can either complain about it or do something about it. So I decided with some friends and a judge in Macomb County, which is the county in which I live, we started the drug court. So I got that was my first real taste of public service or giving back to the public.

is we have all of these people that are addicted and they're addicted to something for whatever reason. And we incarcerate them and we put them in this system and it becomes this, you know, self-fulfilling prophecy. And that's not the answer. We were doing nothing to help these people and these children a lot of times. And Jason, this was happening right under my nose. And

And I didn't see it. I mean, how could I? I mean, this child was at my home for Christmas and I didn't pick it up. How arrogant of me. How? I mean, I really had to do some soul searching on myself.

And I would say that is my first true test of public service that, you know, the Macomb County Drug Court, we didn't help a ton of people. We graduated about 18 people every cycle from that. But it helped those 18 people. You're listening to Jason in the House. We'll be back with more of my conversation with Lisa McClain after this.

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I actually spent quite a bit of time on this, and I think it's an important issue because I first started looking at the prison system. I happen to be the former chief of staff to the governor of Utah, so I had to start looking at prisons. And then that expanded out, and I was in Congress, and I thought, oh, I've got to look at the federal prison system. And what you find is

It's something like 95% of the people that go to prison, they're coming back out. And so the question is, how do you reduce the rate of recidivism? And how do you incarcerate the hardened criminals, the sexual predators and people that are using guns in crimes, those types of things, versus this mass of people that have addiction problems? And not to be judgmental on how or what it is, whether it's medical prescriptions or

recreational drug use that blossoms into something much more heinous. But the reality is how you treat them, how you take care of them, because you're supposed to be the Department of Corrections. And so I always felt like it was, no, you can't just throw everybody in jail. And you combine in the mental health problems and the other issues. It's like, no, once I...

fits all is not the solution on how you do this. And so good for you for driving it. Cause I really do think we got to figure out the economics of it, but the drug courts can change people's lives and do so for the better. And I, I joined the mental health caucus. It's a bipartisan caucus in Congress. And, and,

It makes you feel good. It makes you so much about Congress. It's very different from the business world, right? Because I could touch and see

results very instantaneously. Right. I was in charge of 700 people. If I said turn right, they turned right. It doesn't exactly work like that in Congress. Not even a little bit. Yeah. So it took a minute to get used to it. But I'll tell you the work that I'm doing on the Mental Health Caucus is

That makes you feel good, right? It makes you feel like you're accomplishing something in a shorter period of time. So, you know, I try and look at the positive of things, but that kind of stuff makes you feel good.

Yeah, well, but it actually is changing people's lives. It is. Now, remind me, which, okay, so we're looking at the MIT, right? The so-called MIT of Michigan. Where is the 9th District, correct? Where exactly are you on that MIT? Directionally, I am all of the thumb, most of the, almost all of the thumb of Michigan. That's easy to understand. And then I kind of,

Yep. And then I go into an L. I have Northern Macomb and North, or a backwards L. I have Northern Macomb and Northern Oakland County. So that's the area of which I represent. I think it's one of the most beautiful places. Yeah. I'm glad to hear you say that. And I find Michigan to be a very beautiful and fun place. At one point, our daughter, son-in-law and

Our first grandchild was born up in Michigan. So we got a tender spot in our heart for Michigan. But, you know, going into this presidential year, I'm totally switching gears on you. Yeah, yeah. Michigan is one that's, you know, right there on the bubble. It's real questionable. It's like, hey, which direction are they going to go? Trump? Are they going to go Harris? Where are we going?

How do you read, how do people better understand Michigan and Michiganders? What are they worried about? What are they thinking about? What do you think is going to make the difference in whoever prevails there? So here's what, in my extensive four years of political experience, right? Here's what I think. If you look at the data, in 2016, Trump won Michigan.

He did double digits. He won by double digits in Macomb County, 11 percent. Macomb County is blue collar. It's manufacturing. It's very auto centric in Macomb County.

In 2000 and everyone got out to vote. So the voting numbers were very high. He inspired people to get out and vote. We call it the forgotten man. Right. Yeah. The Reagan Democrats, all of that. In 2020, Trump only won by 8 percent in Macomb County.

That's a big swing. In my analysis, right, if he can, one, win by double digits in Macomb County and we can get out the vote, he will win Michigan. I think he will win Michigan in two areas. One, I think it boils down to Macomb County and the auto workers. I think this EV mandate that the Biden-Harris-

We are economically focused. Inflation has hit us very hard.

Forget about the suburban mom. I don't think he's going to win the suburban mom. I don't see a path for him to do that. But if you look at the hard workers, the Michiganders, that's where he's going to win, Jason. And especially in this auto area, they are smart enough to know that EVs take less parts. Less parts mean less jobs.

The auto workers are not for Biden. Maybe the top brass is or Biden, Harris, excuse me. They're not for Harris. They're not for this administration. The auto worker wants economic security. They don't want this EV mandate shoved down their throats. And that's what this Harris administration is doing. So I think we have a good opportunity there.

The other thing I want to see how Harris plays, which I think hurts us a little bit with her in the race versus Biden, was the Muslim population in the downriver areas, the dearborn communities there.

They are not. I mean, they are pro Hamas. They are pro Palestine, man. They are. They were not happy with with Biden. I think it's very interesting. And we had those voters. I'm not saying those voters were going to vote for Trump, but they were definitely not voting for Biden.

Now I'm looking at Harris and how she's playing. I think two things are very interesting. If we can keep those Muslim block of voters away from the polls or to get them not to vote for Harris, we have a great opportunity. But I think it's very interesting and I'm not much for coincidences.

She did not show up and sit behind Netanyahu when he addressed Congress. Very interesting. She's strategic on that. And then I noticed her VP pick.

It's not Shapiro because he's Jewish. She's placating to the Muslim Palestinian Hamas supporters. Yeah, that's amazing to me. Amazing to me in America today. It's sickening to me. I mean, she's trying so hard to be... I mean, it's hard to quantify how...

devastating that is that you would have this litmus test and that you would, I mean, they're great. We could turn this and blossom this whole thing into the, to about Israel and how important it is. And, you know, under the, I guess the contrast, the simplest way for me is to say, you know, under Donald Trump, they were signing peace accords in the middle East. And now I look at it just blowing, literally blowing up.

And it's such a different world. And it does go back to Iran and it does go back to this –

these issues and to try to persuade just a small group of people and placate them. It's just really amazing in today's politics. It's unbelievable. Donald Trump, when he was president, love him or hate him. But let's just look at the facts. Can we just stick to the facts? Let's just look at the issues. How many wars did we have? Zero. To your point, we signed the Abraham Accords.

And we had peace in the Middle East. Contrast that to the Biden-Harris. I mean, you got Ukraine, you got, you know, we got everything that's happening with Israel right now. I mean, just take a look at what's going on. And then our leadership, we are not standing next to our allies. Israel is our number one ally. And quite frankly, we're leaving them hanging out to dry.

How does that happen? It's unbelievable. Listen, we're talking with Congresswoman McLean. And you know what? I just love that somebody like yourself wasn't thinking about, wasn't planning on a lifetime of career in politics decides, hey, you know what? My daughter wants me to step up and do this. Maybe I'll throw my hat in the ring. You made it look easy. Now, I know, I know there's no easy path to getting there.

But I do really like and appreciate what you're doing in terms of the way you put a thoughtful approach to questioning the Secret Service director. I would tell members, if you want to see a thoughtful way to approach and actually ask questions at a committee hearing, you did a great job. And a lot of that, and we tell younger members,

Listen to the questions previous. If you listen to the questions and answers, the best questions are going to be ones that play off the answers or the non-answers from before. And you did that masterfully. So well done. Oh, thank you. You're very kind. I think that's my years of sales, right? Yeah, you got it. It helps to actually listen, you know? Amazing. All right. We do before we let people go, though.

We do ask them a series of rapid questions, and they're not too rapid. So I don't care how many sales calls you've been on. I don't care how many votes you got in Congress. You're not totally prepared for these questions. Are you ready? All right. Yep. What was your high school mascot?

The Panther, Stockbridge Panthers. Yeah, that's legit. I was a Panther. I was a Middle Park Panther. Ooh. Yes. My kids were knights because, you know, in Utah, we had a lot of knights walking around back in the day. But we were the knights, Lone Peak Knights. All right. There you go. What was your first concert you attended?

Ted Nugent, Wango Tango. Ted Nugent? That's awesome. You know, we just did. I don't know if you've listened to this.

But we just did a Ted Nugent podcast. And it was one of the best interviews I've done. And he loves Michigan, that's for sure. He loves Michigan. He's a true conservative. He's just a genuine guy. You can go and sit down and have a beer with him. I mean, he's just normal. Yeah, no, he...

He was so funny. I told him at the beginning of the podcast, I was texting with them. I've been friendly with them in the past, which is kind of surreal to me. And so I said, I texted Ted and I said, Ted, all right, thanks so much for doing this podcast. We got to keep this clean.

And he texts back like immediately, Mother Teresa, but with the Glock, I'll be clean. And I thought, all right, that sums up. I mean, that's his vision of what he was going to portray. So I thought that was pretty funny. That's awesome. Yes. What was your very first job? I used to clean houses. Really? This is like when you're a teenager or whatever?

Yeah, I was 14 years old. Yeah. Oh, there you go. For $25. I remember. And I thought that was all the money in the world. It is. Man, I was, I was living large. What's your, what's your superpower? I think everybody has a superpower, you know, like, uh, I'm actually pretty good at this. What, what's, what's your superpower? I think my superpower is reading people. I think I can sniff, um,

Sniff a genuine person out versus a non-genuine person really quick. I mean, I look at my husband and he loves everybody. The first time he meets him, oh, my God, they're the greatest person in America. And I'm like, I don't know about that. So I would say my spidey sense is reading people. That's a good one, actually.

Well, it obviously worked for him because you eventually got to the point where you got married. So that's probably pretty good. There you go. Yeah, yeah. Married, we got four kids. We're happy. And a dog. We're all good. I was going to ask you if you had a pet growing up. Oh, yes. I had my dog, Patches. Patches was my first dog. What kind of dog? A man.

He was just a little mutt, like a little, I don't know, acapoo dog. But now we have Peanut. And Peanut's been with me for nine years. She comes up to D.C. with me. She's a little Cavalier King Charles. Oh, that's what we had. We're a Cavalier family. Yep, I say bring her with me.

Yeah, it it brings everybody's temperature down and it even gets the Democrats to talk to me. So that's my dogs do break those barriers. That's exactly right. All right. If you could be one person dead or alive, set aside the religious figures. OK, if you could have one person call your family up and say, hey, family, let's gather around because guess what? We're good. We're we're having dinner tonight with who would that be?

Well, right now it would be Gary Ron Selly. He just passed away and he was my biggest supporter. He was in with me when it wasn't cool to be in with me. So his funeral is actually today. And it's just he was a mountain of a man, a very philanthropist and or philanthropic, I mean, and

He's a great guy. He will be missed. So I would love to have Gary back. Wow, that's a very sweet answer. A very sweet answer. Don't let it ruin my reputation. Don't let it ruin my reputation. No, no. But that is very sweet. Unique talent nobody knows about. I mean, can you like, you know, flip a coin with your toes? I mean, what can you do that nobody else can do?

I don't know. Maybe I can whistle. You can whistle? I can whistle pretty loud. You want to hear it? Let's hear it. Was that it? Yeah, that was it. And a mean karaoke. I wasn't that impressed, but I'm going to trust you on the karaoke, so that's good. All right. Pineapple on pizza, yes or no?

No, absolutely not. Good answer. I mean, we knew it liked you. Judges really like that answer. So congratulations for just being unequivocally unequivocal and just say, no, no, we're not doing that. All right. Last thing. Last question for you. You've been very generous with your time. Best advice you ever got.

Uh, that has to be from my mom and you can either be part of the problem or part of the solution. Well, you have to say that all the time. And then when your daughter said it to you, then your daughter said you hit you in the heart, didn't it? Oh yeah. Good thing she was at the other end of the table. She would have gotten a little, you know, tap over there. But, uh, yeah, no.

That's the best advice. I mean, my mom has been my mom has been a rock. She really has. That's good. That's great. Well, congratulations. I'm glad we got good people like you serving in Congress. I don't know where all your positions are. We probably disagree on some stuff, but you know what?

Pour your heart and soul in it. Love the country. And, you know, you can't ask for more than that. And so I appreciate you sharing some time with us. Well done on the Secret Service. Keep after them. Thank you. And glad you're on the Oversight Committee, among the others. I know you're on Budget and some of these others that I also used to once upon a time serve on. It's fun. Yeah. It's fun. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks for joining us. I appreciate you. Thank you for having me on the show. I really appreciate it. Oh, thank you much.

All right. So Congresswoman Lisa McLean, you can see why she's going to continue to be, I think, a rising star and very successful in what she does. She's got an interesting background, but she's very good at what she does. There's something to be said for sheer competency. Boy, why don't we try that for a change?

So many thanks to the people of Michigan's 9th Congressional District for sending somebody who's highly competent to actually go out and do the job. I don't know where their voting record is. I'm sure there are things I look at and I probably would...

would disagree with her on how she votes. But you know what? She does have a degree of competency. And if Michigan's going to send her, boy, keep sending good quality people and this country will be better for it. So appreciate her joining us. I would hope that you could rate the podcast. You can subscribe to the podcast and

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