Daddy Issues with Tony Denison
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Mr. Denison, we're so happy that you're here on the House of Hallowell to talk about the show. Brian's going to give a really quick synopsis.

Season 1, Episode 3, Thank You for Not Morphing, premiered October 21st, 1998. The mysterious return of Victor Halliwell gives new meaning to the term daddy issues when the Halliwell sisters realize their long-lost father is back for the Book of Shadows. While the sisters suspect their dad has sinister motives, a trio of shapeshifting neighbors are the real culprits.

Why do you sound more and more like Casey Kasem? Sorry, I know. We should really give this back to Drew. No, I don't think so. I'm enjoying this. I mean, I literally just wrote on here. I went, I love him doing this. Like, to Holly. Because you...

You really get into this whole like voiceover actor thing. It's amazing. I think you have a future in this. Yeah. I love it. It's so good. And welcome to Daddy Number One, forever known as Daddy Number One. Yes. Tony Dennison. My wife tells me when she goes different places and she says, oh, my husband's an actor. And they say, oh, you know, what has he been in? Oh, yeah, I saw that show. And then they go, wait a minute.

He was the first father on Charmed. Oh, my God. You were daddy number one. First father. Which is really interesting. Can I ask, like, what happened? I remember, what's his name? Les Sheldon called me in or called me on the phone and said, because I had a really nice relationship with Aaron, you know. I met him through Michael Mann, and, like, Aaron just became sort of like a,

And just drop that name right there, Michael Mann, just one of the best directors in the world. Go ahead. Well, anyway, that's how I met him. I met him at a birthday party for Brandon Tartikoff. And for some reason, Aaron just took a tremendous liking to me. And then I get this call, you know,

several like a couple of years later would you like to do this uh thing and i said yeah sure you know for you of course i'll do it and uh and then what happened is i got a call from less and he said that i even though i was the right age at the time uh you know i had to show them my they knew my age you know i think i remember i showed one of you guys my driver's license to let you know it was really like 40 something or whatever and uh and they said no you just look too young

They said, you just look like it was the scene you did with Shannon where you were holding her and you thought more like you were going to date her rather than to be her father. Yeah, that's what we said yesterday. I said, I can't help it. Put some gray in my hair. What do you want me to do? I mean, I don't know what to do. Because I really had a ball working on the show. There were a few moments where, like, I remember Holly as Piper saying,

Why are we going back to my moment? But your moment was first. Yes, it was when you said there was sexual tension. You told me that there was sexual tension. And I only saw it

what is the line? I'm not telling you. Oh, yes. It was when Holly looked at you and said, we're still your little girls, just witches. Like the way she said it was so sexual. And I was like, it was not inappropriate. Was it? Was it Alyssa? One of you guys came and visited me. And when I was at the hotel, I had a Phoebe.

Phoebe comes and visits while you're getting a massage. Yeah, I had a towel around me. It was like... And she was wearing like a low-cut, really tight top also. And then you're in a towel with a robe over it and you hug her and I'm like...

Yeah. And she said, hello, daddy. I know. Exactly. Hello, daddy. A man that I haven't seen since I was one years old, but now I call him daddy. My mind never, my mind as a, as a man, you know, as Tony never traveled to that place ever. So it was just, I guess just the fact that I just looked young. So. Too young. Well, I thought you were, uh,

amazing in the episode. I thought you were really good. And personally, I think it was a hard episode to do just because of the whole like morphing aspect and all of that. Like there were some

you know, things that were a little odd about it. Well, it was the first time me, I had done one science fiction thing with Mario Van Peebles. It was about where I turned into a werewolf or something. It was a full eclipse on HBO anyway, but this was the first time I had to do something where they said, you got to,

I remember the first three times I couldn't stop laughing. I said, I'm not, no offense to you guys. I said, I just, and they, and so somebody came over and he said, just trust me. It's going to look okay. And I said, no, no, I believe I said, but I just, uh, I,

Is that when I threw you through the... That one was where I went like that. I saw that the other day. I was watching something and they were showing a clip from the other day. I always do that. It was about like six months ago. Something was on TV and there I am like sailing backwards like, you know, because you would

put some you know juju on me and i went flying backwards she was she was moving you yeah but uh but i remember doing it then when i looked looked at the episode and i said oh my god that really works you know like it did work that's when he died that's when there was two of them and one of them i loved working with you guys and also too i mean you know all this like this uh

This like ancillary stuff you get to do with Comic-Cons and stuff like that. My friend Mary McDonald, who I did the closer with and and major crimes, you know, she was on Battlestar Galactica. Yeah.

She's very popular at the cons. All over the world with that Comic-Con stuff. I mean, Germany, France, Japan, all over America. And you make money too. Yeah. I just saw her last weekend in Boston. She's a great person. She is. Mary McDonnell. I really enjoyed working with her.

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Okay, so let's break down this episode. It starts with us, the three girls, leaving and going to their neighbor's house party. And you were like, oh, I love this. Yeah, this is like the only sort of... There's a lot of...

But this is like the sort of like coalescing sister moment, sisterhood moment when we're going to a party and you don't want to go and we're going and we're dressed. And wow. And those outfits lived on in the credits for years for me. So there is that. I liked my outfit. I know you did. But what's interesting is, okay, so what we had a problem with the last episode, it's kind of instantly fixed as you guys are together doing an activity, right? Yeah.

Right. So it instantly kind of course corrects, which is awesome. What is it? Fritz, Marshall, and who's the other one? Cinda. Cinda. Cinda. But what we don't know or what you don't know, Prue doesn't know, is the fact that Phoebe has gone behind your back and kind of

invited Andy to the most random place. And again, why is he showing up? Like, he didn't get the phone call from me. He got it from my meddling little sister. He did. Why does he show up? It's so...

It's I mean, just speaking as a woman, there's nothing that's a bigger turnoff than that from a guy because it does feel like stalking. It also feels like they're just so needy for you. And that especially when you're in your 20s, that's a big turnoff because you kind of want a challenge. It's a hard no. Yeah, it's a hard no. Like, I don't know why they made Andy so stalkerish and needy.

It's not pleasant. And I end up leaving because A, I don't want to see Andy and I didn't want to go to the party. So yeah, we meet our neighbors, which is really funny because you never see them prior. But you basically have grown up with them or grown up with that house your whole life. Yes. But so it establishes that you kind of leave Andy in the dust there. Rightfully so. Rightfully so. And then

It's kind of the next morning. No, there's the dog. There's the dog. Oh, the dog. That's right. Find a strange dog in the house. Why is Prue running from a Rottweiler? Like, why is she scared? She can literally toss the dog out the door. Because we're trying not to toss dogs yet. Well, I mean, personally, I don't like tossing dogs, but she's gone through killing Javna and all of this stuff with her sisters. Why is she...

not standing up to the Rottweiler. We couldn't afford another special effect except for the glowing eyes. Except for the glowing eyes that were outside of the dogs. Yeah. They were askew. Just a little bit. I don't... But, you know, I always love looking at those scenes because they...

jack up the mic of a barking dog, but probably that dog was the sweetest thing on the planet when it chases you out of the house. It's like kind of chasing you, but not really. Not really. I also personally love Rottweilers. So I want to know why you don't recognize your own daddy. That's my big note for this. The whole episode, like I love how everything's played out. So the next day...

I'm visited by a man. Strange man. Strange man. Who has this special ring and has come to me to...

tell him about it, supposedly. And I found it odd, yes, that Prue didn't recognize him because it's not like she was one. I was four. You were four. Phoebe was one. And I'm assuming Prue was what? Six. Six or seven? Yeah. Um,

Like you remember your father, you remember what he looks like, particularly when he leaves you. And you're so devastated about it that years and years and years later, you're carrying, you're harboring like all this ill will against him. Maybe he had some really great plastic surgery and he looks far too young now. He got a tan. It's confusing. He dyed his hair. Yeah.

Working out. But you give me this ring and that's the other thing. Like, why did it take so long for her to put two and two together? The ring is so suspicious as she's going through it that she's like, oh, it comes from this time, which dates back to witches and all of that.

But it still took her. I'm like, is Prue not very smart? You were distracted by your obsessive relationship. I was too distracted by the handsome man in front of me. I was like, God, he sure is better than Andy. Damn.

Tony's horrified right now. He's like, you're the whole reason why I didn't come back. You, Shannon. Sorry, Rocky. Talk about daddy issues. So, but like, was that scene discussed or was it kind of one of those hindsight type of things where it's like, whoa, that's so weird. Of course, everyone would recognize their parents.

Yeah, let me remind you, Drew, this was sort of more in the beginning episodes of the season where... We didn't get to ask questions. There wasn't a lot of discussion. Okay. It wasn't like a, you know, hey, let's talk with the writers and voice our opinion. There was no time for that. Do you remember it bumping you before, like on the day, back in the day? I'm sure it must have. Right.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that we always had questions about stuff because I think as an actor, you track your character perhaps more closely than others. And if it doesn't make sense in your head of like where your character started and where they're at and where they're progressing to, it's a red flag.

And I know that we discussed red flags all the time on this. We were like, oh, this isn't right. But regardless, it comes out that you're my long lost father. And the amount of anger that I have for you is pretty overwhelming. And you're just, I like how you played it because you were very calm. You were, it's like you said your piece and,

But you were very calm about it, which really left me once I actually watched the show. And I think the audience even more suspicious of you because you were so calm. I got a lot of cards and letters, let me tell you. Really? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and I'd even, I don't know what, I guess my agent or somebody at the time had called up Les, and then they said, well, maybe you should just call Aaron yourself. And so I called Aaron, and he was very nice to me, and he just said, he says, Tony, this is the way we're going, no offense. He goes, I'll take care of you again some other way. And he did. I mean, he did. He had me come on, I guess, once.

what the hell is the show Melrose place? Yeah. Is that one of his shows? Melrose? Yes. Yeah. Melrose place. So he called me up. So they said, I said, Melrose place, you know, it's not my cup of tea. I don't really watch it. I, you know, I mean, not that I don't, not that it's bad. It's just not my cup of tea. And they said, he's going to pay you. He's going to want you to do 10 episodes and he's going to pay you this amount.

And I said, what? You're like, I'll drink that tea now. I said, how much? And they said, yeah. I said, so I called them up and I go, Aaron, are you ready? This is insane. I said, oh my God, thank you so much. He goes, I'm a billionaire. What difference does it make? You should have asked for more.

Oh my gosh. That is not how our deals went. I'm a billionaire. I'm always a billionaire. What difference does it make? So, so. That's amazing. Good for you because you made a lot more money that way than you would have if you had stayed on Charter. I mean, I couldn't believe it. My agent was like, they were all like, what, what is this about? Yeah.

That's funny. Aaron says he's going to take care of you. He's going to take care of you. I wish producers were still like that, where they just want to take care of you. He's like old school kind of guy, original gangster kind of guy, you know? Absolutely. Do you know how Aaron started? He was the musical director on I Dream of Jeannie.

I did not know that. I didn't know that either. Look up all the Igemi Genie credits at the end and it says Aaron Spelling, musical director. Well, you know, he was so involved with the musical selections and having bands in the show. I think there were bands in 90210.

that that makes sense to me because the musical aspect of all of his shows was like the second main character. Yeah. On 90210, we had the peach pit after dark. Yes, you did. That turned into a nightclub. And then Piper had P3. Yeah.

And that was all him. And the guy who replaced me, James, I know James. Yes. We weren't like, you know, we weren't like homies or anything like that, but we knew each other. It was very respectful when we saw each other, you know, and he came up to me one time and he said, you know, I guess, you know, I'm replacing you. I said, no, I didn't know that. And I said, but have fun, you know, have a good time. I mean, what am I going to do? Kill him so that I can do the wrong, you know? You guys are very different too. It's completely different.

It is a completely different vibe. It's a completely different character with him doing it. Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, was he more, did he play the character a little bit more meek and mild? He was, he's just very conservative, very white bread, very, yeah. Whereas you were like the hot daddy number one. I think too hot. I was like, sort of like almost a gangster background. Yes. Too much heat.

Brought too much heat. Which I thought they could have, you know, had fun, you know, farming that in other scripts. Absolutely. I didn't have any illusion about being a regular on the show, but, you know, reoccurring on the show and playing like, you know, devil make care, devil creating kind of guy, mischief creating guy, it would have been fun. Yeah, it would have. Wasn't meant to be. But I tell you, I always look back on that episode and that experience is always very fondly. And, you know, and I just...

I guess because I liked, I was having such a good time. And I was, when they told me I wasn't coming back, I was like, damn, I said that, you know, all of this stuff. I said, that stuff is fun. It's great. And, you know, then I got to really like it, you know? You know, what's interesting is I don't think they ever told us when they were replacing someone. Like we had no idea, just like we had no idea about Andy. Like it was always after the fact that,

So they would make their decision, let the person know, and then maybe...

days later, a week later, two weeks later, months later, we would find out. And it was always sort of confusing. And I don't ever remember being given like a reason. Well, even Andy was different in the pilot. It wasn't BK either, but it was another guy playing Andy in the pilot. And then they hired TW. Right. So there was a lot of cast changing. There was a lot of shuffling going on.

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Going back to this episode. So we have our little conversation where I'm like, stay away from us. You abandoned us. I want nothing to do with you. And and you're like, no, let's all go to lunch. I want to see my other daughters. And I go home and I let you guys know that I saw you. And my sisters betraying me were like, yes, we want to see him. Curiosity killed the cat.

So sad. I actually thought that that discussion was the, that scene was well written because it definitely painted merit for both sides, positives and negatives. That was kind of my takeaway. It felt very real and grounded. You could definitely see sisters longing and needing like a father figure. And they came up with the reasons why, and you were very much a hundred percent justified in your reasons why it's like, it's bad ideas, bad news. He's only here. Like there's, he's up to no good.

So, like, I think it did a really good job of making sure that both sides were heard. And ultimately, everyone's an adult. You're going to do what you want to do. Phoebe pulls the trigger. Yeah. Because she's desperate. And, like, it's very consistent with her character, I felt. Her kind of jumping the gun and wanting to go see Victor on her own.

Yeah, it was like if she got told no about anything, she went ahead and did it anyway. So, but I can also understand certainly her character. There's no way you can, one, you can remember that person. So the...

The like heart wrenching part of that and wanting to know your father so bad. And yeah, the need. So I think I understood it was more Piper not agreeing with me that I was, I was like, but Piper, Piper.

Holly, what's going on with your character right now? She was four, but I would not go, you know, interrupt a massage session. No. But it definitely, I think it was, I think it was justified and totally consistent with Phoebe's character to kind of go. I agree.

Okay, so when Phoebe goes to the hotel room and, you know, you're getting a massage and it's a very, to me, seemed a little on the sexual side. And she goes to give you a hug. She has the premonition of you holding the Book of Shadows. And I just remember that shot of you with the book and you have this sort of what I took is slightly sinister look.

look on your face, holding the book of shadows. It was really good because again, it convinces the audience more that you're a bad guy and that Prue, who I think was always right, was, you know, like, yep, I'm, I'm right. You do look a little like the godfather in that shot. And then you offer her a massage, which, you know, as one does. As daddy does. So then it,

We go back to the house where the weird mailman guy breaks into the house and his finger turns into a key so he can get in to try to steal the book of shadows. But the book,

He could get it out of the attic, but he couldn't get it out of the house. And the sad part is he morphs into Andy and you don't realize that Andy's not Andy. Oh, right. I remember that. It's like you guys never know each other. Because I'm so used to Andy like just showing up randomly. Exactly. And just being at the house. I thought T.W. played that version really well. Yeah, he did. Yeah.

A version of him being weird. Yeah. Like, Hey, I don't know what the note was on the day, but you're like, just do that. And it would have been a great spot for you to be like, look, you just can't be showing up everywhere. Like now you're in my house and I'm not even here. And like, I see the book where it's not supposed to be. And then I move it underneath the cabinet and,

It's beyond belief that I just think that the door is open yet again. And he just happened to be driving by and he just happens to be inside the house because he saw the door and the book of shadows is no longer in the attic. I'll tell you why I'm getting good at this. Okay. Because Phoebe doesn't put stuff away and she never has her keys. So she didn't lock the door. Wait, no, the door was locked. No, the door was open. Oh no, it was open for her because the mailman did it. And that was the excuse how the Rottweiler got in. That was the excuse.

But let's not trust dad. Like, right. Let's not trust dad, but let's trust Andy who's stalking me and is in the house with the Book of Shadows no longer in the attic. It just, I watched it. I'm like, God, Prue is so stupid. She's busy. She's distracted. She's got a lot on her plate. Victor's kind of got you off, like on edge a little bit. Oh, I think this is the episode where I wore the Dolce & Gabbana shoes.

I couldn't tell you. It is. It was actually a great outfit, the whole thing. It was like a little sweater thing and a striped skirt. And then when I pick up the book, it's a close-up of my shoes and the book. Yes. Well, I also like that this kind of is... I like when...

mythical sci-fi magic starts establishing certain rules and I like that this establishes we now know that the book cannot be taken out of the house by anyone but you guys and I'm assuming that will continue to play out through like the book is probably like a prized possession from various demons so most of the time yes yeah and I think isn't it a spell that like Grams put on it where it couldn't leave the house

It's just that evil can't take the book. Okay. You'll see. Evil couldn't take the book from the house? Yeah. No, so it has to be one of us to take it out. I don't remember, but could evil cast spells from the book in the house? Yes. They could? Yes. What season is that? I don't know. Probably whenever Drew showed up. Oh. Okay.

That's interesting. So then, you know, proves very much like I'm not going to dinner. I like the dinner scene. And you two are like, we are going to dinner. And it cuts to you guys at dinner. And I, I too liked the dinner scene. See, but I like all the family stuff. So that's why I like it. I just, I liked your guys' reactions to him. Like both you and Alyssa were, you know, really...

There was like moments of being let down because he didn't remember something. And then there were moments of like pure hope on your guys' faces of like, are we actually going to get to connect with our dad? And there was like flambé. Like, I don't care how good of actors we are. Is it flambé or flambé? Flambé. When you add it to that equation, there's just no saving it.

But he knows about our powers. We established that. Right. I walk in, we start having a confrontation. You go to save the flambe that's about to get knocked over because you trip, Tony, you trip the waiter in order to, you know, get one of us to use our powers. And of course it's Piper. And then you start saying like, okay, so,

You can freeze stuff. You can move stuff with your mind and you can see premonitions. By the way, how did your character like know what our three powers were? Because as witches, you have all these different powers, but you were able to like narrow them down so easily. Well, I assume I don't remember now. You know, I don't.

I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse when I do a show, no matter what, even when I, no matter what, even if I'm a regular on, I don't remember a freaking episode when I leave. I mean, sometimes the closure will be on a reruns and I'll look and I'll go, I don't even know what I did in that episode. I'm watching the episode like it's for the first time.

But I think I would assume that maybe the mother had told me what y'all were capable of doing. Yeah, I think everybody had a certain, because Patty had premonition. She had the power of premonition. Patty was who? Your mother. Oh, Fanola. Yeah. I only know her as Fanola. Absolutely. I know. I know. I didn't watch the show. Patty and Penny. Penny was Grams. Penny's Grams. Yeah. Yeah.

She was just Graham's. Did we ever establish her name? Yeah, later. Later. Do you guys remember every episode? I mean, not in detail. You did so many. But do you remember the episodes? Like if somebody tells you what the premise is in me, oh, yeah, I remember my character. I don't remember anything in any of the shows. It's kind of a crapshoot. Like some scenes and lines I will remember word for word.

And others, I just have no clue. And it's just random. Like, I will remember locations. I'll remember how the flowers smelled by the front door more than I will specifics. I have like a razor sharp memory about history and geography and politics and all that stuff. But when it comes to shows that I've been in,

Somebody says, oh, you remember you were in that? And I go, okay. I know I was on it. I did what? Just before we go after dinner, we do need to hit on the fact that Phoebe gets the premonition that Victor steals the book that we've talked about. But the fact that she keeps this from her sisters up to this point, I think...

I think is really important because ultimately Phoebe is looking for some sort of connection, some sort of anchor. She's making the concession that ultimately could put her sisters in jeopardy because she's needing to feel this connection and this love from an absentee father so much. And I think that's really interesting because that's like, I don't know if this is kind of establishes a pattern or a habit with her, but like to keep this massive secret from

you two, I think, ultimately could be very detrimental to the story. Oh, no. This is when we established her nickname as Fibbing Phoebe. Right. Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. Fibbing Phoebe. Yeah, I mean, I would say that that's true. Drew, it's a really good observation, though, because I think that there's a lot of things that you could look at Phoebe, her unhealthy obsession with

you know, bad boys or wanting to be loved. So bad casting spells that like bring guys into your life. Like there's all of that. And, um, I don't know how she progresses after season three. We'll, we'll certainly get to it, but right. So she has the premonition that he does in fact steal the book. Um,

But because now he's gets their power, they go back to the house to have the conversation. And Prue is still very much like,

You know, you hurt us, you abandoned us, you were nothing. And now you're here for nothing good. You're trying to take the book and Tony, your characters, you know, trying desperately to defend yourself. But you admit like, yes, I'm here to take the book, but it's for your own good. And I think that that's when you see all of the sisters, but mainly Piper and Phoebe,

sort of become aware and start doubting you and saying, wait, we want to be witches. This is what we're meant to do. Um,

But they still get mad at me when I toss you against a wall. Well, it was a lot. I remember doing that. I don't remember the contraption I was on, but I remember flying back. It's so funny. Like I said, I don't remember a lot of anything I've done in one episode. But I do remember this show a lot only because it was a character that I didn't think I would ever be cast as.

You know, I've always played gangsters or I play cops, you know, occasionally maybe, you know, a soldier or a general or something like that. But this was such a different

a whole different milieu for me i mean and and i was like oh and i thought okay and it was all brand new it was like it was like like acting 101 all over again like going into your first job you brought some of your gangster thing into it because when you leave the house and you go back to your hotel room

and the warlocks are there, the shapeshifters, sorry, not warlocks. You sat down in a chair and you pulled out a cigar. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the script. I think that was all you. And you light the cigar and you're like, you know, all sitting back, very casual, smoking your cigar. And I remember being like,

Dude, he's a gangster. You know, when I rewatched the episode yesterday or something, it was it was a very gangster move on your part. For sure. Do you remember doing that? Do you remember? I know I like to improvise a lot. And if they let me, I will. I don't ever change. I don't improvise and change plot points.

I usually put my stuff at the beginning of a scene or the end of the scene. If they don't like it, they can cut it out. But sometimes, you know, I'll respond to somebody in a certain way. I mean, I, I love props. I love using props. And, you know, I mean, I, I didn't study with, but I learned, read so many stories about people like Brando and, and, and Fonda and all, and, and Jack Nichols, all those guys, they all like to play with props. And so I,

I love their work. I just think they're amazing people. And so I try to bring props in as much as I can, whenever I can, if they let me. That's so smart. I think I was always scared to use props because the script supervisor would have to say, make sure that you...

mimic or copy exactly like what that was when you were eating, when you were doing this so that all the different angles you're matching and it's easier for an editor. So I was so hyper aware of that. I know that you were as well. And it wasn't until I did the reboot of 90210 where I was like, screw it. And I ate in every single scene because I

I loved like Brad Pitt and a couple of his movies where he was always eating. And so I was like, I'm going to do that too, to take myself out of my head and just, and I, and I liked it a lot, but I think Uncharmed, it was so hard because we had to match everything perfectly. There was also a lot of people in every scene too. I think, I don't think it's in this episode, but there's the one, the one scene with, with Andy and his toothpick.

Lord have mercy. Oh, we're getting there. I have a lot of thoughts on that. So anyway, the shapeshifters show up at your hotel room. You light your cigar and, you know, they're threatening to kill you, but you strike a deal with them that there's only one person who can get the book out of the house and that's you. And so at that point, I think the audience, as I was, was very much like, oh,

My God, what a bad daddy. Daddy number one is horrible. And it confirms he is working with the three vampires.

shapeshifters. But I was doing, if I remember, he serves me well. And based on who the character was, all of it was done in service to protect you three. Yeah. Yeah. Cause, cause when they walk into your hotel room or they appear in your hotel room, you say, let me, you know, let me guess your shapeshifters. So I don't think that you had been collaborating with them prior because

you were all of a sudden striking a deal with them and saying let me guess you're shapeshifters so very knowledgeable this daddy I just think you were so worried about us that you felt like if you worked out a deal with them you could protect us somehow in a backwards way yeah this is so interesting I interpreted it completely the other way no then how did you take the line of like let me guess you're shapeshifters like why wouldn't he have known that prior no they just meet then

Drew's like, I didn't hear that line. You're going to have to re-watch it. You're still looking at your shoes. It's your homework. It's your homework. It's my homework. I know from shoes. Let me tell you. Oh, dang. Wow, I can't believe I missed that. I'm literally watching this whole time. I totally thought they were all in collaboration. This is the second re-watch podcast, Drew. You're going to have to step up your game, kid. No, I caught it as Tony's character was

It was thinking on the fly. I'm smarter than these guys. You've run into these guys before in the past lives 20 years ago. And you're like, I got these guys and I'm going to protect the girls. He's thinking on his feet, sitting down with the cigar. I agree with you, BK. We got it. Yeah. Drew's in the wrong. And treating them like they were low level thugs. I was the Darren Stevens of the episode. I was the Darren Stevens of the episode. You were. That's amazing.

So you go there the next morning, the shapeshifters think that they have a deal with you. You go there, you see Phoebe on the sidewalk, and she's all freaked out by you because of her premonitions. And you're like, no, no, no, look, look, look deeper, look more. And she touches you and she sees that you're in fact not Phoebe.

you know, trying to steal the book from us. Shapeshifter city. Right. So then Phoebe runs in and tells us that our neighbors are shapeshifters. Then we have two daddies. We have two daddy number ones. And I say, first we had none. Now we got two. That's right. Great line. Thank you. Great delivery of that line. Yeah. It kind of culminates in this like biblical, what's that biblical story about the baby?

being torn between two people and then someone says, oh, just cut it in half. Oh, shit. Solomon. Solomon. Solomon splitting the baby up. Solomon splitting the baby. Sounds like my divorce. And then the real mother said, threw herself over the baby, said, give it to her. You know, I don't want it. Right, which is what you do when we, when Phoebe runs upstairs and gets the spell to banish these

shape shifters or kill them rather, you know, it would impact you as well and kill you. And I sort of move the ring over to you so that you put that on. But you're still impacted by the spell, like your body is still, you know, wiggling and right. And but you live, you live through it. And you make peace with your daddy. And that's when I say we're still your little girls.

You didn't say it like that. I did. No, you didn't. Can we do another take, please? No. Now there's too much pressure. Just try it. I just said it. We're still your little girls. Just witches. That's not how you said it. That is how I said it. First off, you were like off to the side like this and then you turned and you looked at me and you said, we're still your little girls. Just witches. Yeah.

That's close. Yeah. Wow. That was kind of sexy. It was so sexy. I was like. That's why we needed a new daddy. Too sexy. Oh my gosh. No tongue. Too sexy for my shirt. I put it right there. Like it's my number one note. I know. I saw you scribbling it down real quick, real quick, heatedly. So you survive. We all make peace.

We all forgive you. Everybody has a sexual odd moment with their dad. Yeah, you were hanging on to his arm. Yeah, and like my low-cut top. Yep. Yeah. That's the middle. Hey, it was an Aaron Sputnik show. It was like a requirement. Can you show some cleavage? Can you put those girls up there a little bit more? And then the cool part was Leo shows up. And I was like, wow, like...

Leo's in an episode. Handyman. Finally. And then you just send me right upstairs and we'll be right with you. Hey, we just had this whole episode about someone trying to steal a book. But why don't you just go up there and we'll leave you alone? It's because you appreciated the history of the wood. It felt real. Yeah, and said there's not many like them except for the one across the street, the one next door and the house next to that too. Right.

Yeah. Besides the whole neighborhood. Right. This is special. But then it all shows up watching the VHS like that. He, cause he didn't make dinner. He left. He said he needed to, you know, stay away for a little, for a little bit to keep us safe. You come in, we send you up to the attic without any of us. And then we all, we, the three of us sit down and watch VHS.

the VHS tape. Yeah, and send Leo upstairs where, fun fact, he remains for like three episodes. Actually, probably in perpetuity. It's true. He's been there for years. He's like up there. I just happen to use the front door. What? He's always there. Is this stuff that you discover later? Yeah. He's been watching her his whole life. What happened? Yeah.

We literally let him in. He shows himself up to the attic and he stays there for like the next three episodes. It's pretty wild. He never leaves. Never leaves. Nobody ever talks about it. I don't know. Maybe it was a trial run. I don't know. That is so creepy. But then you watch the video and I feel like the wrap up of this episode really was one of the most heartfelt moments.

emotional moments I think that we've seen so far. And Tony, the way you were playing the Christmas with the girls and the joy that you brought to it was just phenomenal. I don't know if that was all improvised, all of that. It was great and really brought, I got a little emotional at the end watching it. It was, it was really nice moment.

Like I said, I had a ball doing the show. I really did. I'm not going to deny that I was really disappointed when they said I wasn't going back. I said, all right, that's the way it is in this town. But I did have a ball working with you girls. I really did. I had a ball being on the show. I thought all this stuff was so cool. I was looking forward to more. Yeah.

all that stuff, whenever those ones come back. Because later on when I saw it on the air and I thought, it really works. It did work. It did work. Worked a little too well. We loved working with you as well. Can you explain why you named me Rocky? Well, because you reminded me of a really good friend of mine. I don't know if you know her, Kim Delaney.

Oh, yeah. Kim Delaney and I have been friends like almost 40 years. Drew knows her very well. She was Irish, tough Irish broad from frigging Philadelphia. And she was just always like, even though she was really beautiful like you are, there was a part of her that was like, if she needed to, she would. And I was watching you one day in the makeup chair and you were talking about something, some thing.

ex-boyfriend or something and the way you were talking about the ex-boyfriend i said i said oh she's a little like kim i should get a little bit of that rocky sullivan in her and then that's when i said to you i said you you remind me your nickname should be rocky that's amazing and i think i explained a little bit of it at the time but that's why i did that's why i thought your nickname should be rocky i wonder which ex-boyfriend that was

That was season one. So the way you talked about it, it was like, I said, Oh my God, that guy's going to get smacked. Maybe it was one of mine. Who was it before Rob? Let's see. October 21st, 1998. Yeah. It could have been somebody you were talking about from your past. It was probably one of her. It was probably one of mine. Yeah. Cause it was often her boyfriends I wanted to smack. That's true. Yeah. I was very protective. Well, you're always daddy number one in our book.

Thank you. Thank you so much for being on. We really appreciate it. Thanks for having us. Thanks, Tony. And thanks for making it happen so quickly, too. We always think of you. Yeah, sure. And that's another episode of House of Hallowell. Thanks, guys, for checking it out.

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