Disappearance of Kelly Dae Wilson: The Texas Satanic Cannibal Cult
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in the small town of Gilmer, Texas. Nothing could prepare them for the disappearance of a 17-year-old girl named Kelly Day Wilson. What began on January 5th, 1992 would lead investigators down a rabbit hole of satanic rituals, acts of murder, and even cannibalism. Join us as we discuss the disappearance of Kelly Day Wilson and the Texas Satanic Cannibal Cult.

Welcome to Theories of the Third Kind. Welcome to Theories of the Third Kind. I am Aaron, one of your hosts today. And the other one joining me is Daniel-san. Yo, what's up? Today's episode is the disappearance of Kelly Day Wilson and the Texas Satanic Cannibal Cult. But before we hop into it, like always, let me do a quick announcement.

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So to get into this Texas satanic cannibal cult, we have to talk about the disappearance of Kelly Day Wilson first because it all starts there. So Dan, let's talk about exactly what happened the night of Kelly Wilson's disappearance. On the night of January 5th, 1992, 17-year-old Kelly Wilson was working at Northeast Texas Video.

Which is basically it's a place where you rent movies at. Yeah. No streaming videos. It's all you go there, pick up your VHS tape and go home and watch it. That's right. So that night, Kelly was working at this video store alongside the store manager, Joe Henry. At 8.30 p.m., Joe and Kelly closed up the video store. Joe locked it and that's when they supposedly said their goodbyes for the last time.

Real quick here, before we continue, let me explain something. So in case some of you don't know, most small businesses that earn a lot of cash each day, they usually have a worker compile all the money each night when they close. Then that worker takes the cash and puts it into a deposit bag, and then they go and drop it off at a bank. Now these banks aren't open at night, but they do have an area where you can slide that deposit bag in.

And then in the morning, the bank tellers pick it up, they count the money, and deposit that cash into the person's business account. Okay, now we have that explanation out of the way. Dan, you can continue with the story. So that night, Joe and Kelly left the store at 8.30 p.m. They separated ways. Kelly went to her car and drove to the local bank to make her usual nightly deposit for the video store. Now, there was surveillance video at this bank that showed Kelly going through the drive-thru to make the deposit.

But the video was so grainy because back then it was a 120p resolution. It made it hard for any investigators or anybody to actually try to make out if it was actually heard in the driver's seat.

Also, another side note, the deposit bag was in the bank drop off the next morning. So she wasn't robbed. So that's out of the question. Anyways, back to the story. Just got to say, so pretty much the video is like a bunch of images of Bigfoot where it's all grainy and shit. You can't see it. That is an excellent comparison, Dan. I would have to say, yes, imagine the blurry ass footage of Bigfoot. That is exactly what Kelly Day Wilson's video footage look like.

Oh, man. All right. So Kelly had told her parents that night that she was going to spend the night at her friend's house. However, early that morning, they got word that she never showed up to that friend's house. So, of course, Kelly's parents were kind of pissed, but mostly worried. So they decided to call Kelly's boss, Mr. Henry, at 6 a.m. to see if he knew where Kelly was. Of course, he said he did not know where she was.

So Kelly's parents then proceeded to call the Gilmer police to report her missing and then went to go look for their daughter. So Kelly's mother, Kathy Carlson, and her stepfather, Robert Carlson, alongside the Gilmer, Texas police, they ended up finding Kelly's car parked in front of her workplace, which was, of course, the video store we talked about. However, Kelly was not inside of it.

The police ended up searching her vehicle and her purse was found inside of her vehicle, but it was untouched. And a bunch of other things were found to arrest of her belongings, but they weren't touched either. However, something weird here. The keys to Kelly's vehicle were not inside of it.

And also one of the tires had been slashed. A bunch of assholes. Yeah. Whoever did that. So the next morning on January 7th, the Gilmer police sergeant, James Brown, contacted the media. He asked them for help in notifying the public that Kelly was missing and also stating that anyone with any information to contact the Gilmer police department.

So over the next few weeks, hundreds of volunteers directed by the sergeant spent thousands of man hours searching the backwoods of Gilmer, Texas, to see if they could find any clues or even her body. But nothing ever came up. So for the next two years, the Gilmer police sergeant, James Brown, made it his mission to find Kelly Wilson missing.

He spent evenings and even vacation time trying to track her down. Like he took vacation. So this police sergeant in that town was absolutely dedicated to it.

He ended up becoming super obsessed with the case and spent hundreds of hours of his own time tracking down leads outside of his regular police duties. It was even said by former Gilmer police, and I quote, we have never worked harder on any case than we did with that one.

Three people know what happened to Kelly Wilson and two of them are still alive. End quote. By the way, the two identities of the individuals were never stated. So this seems like your typical disappearance case, right? I mean, it's your normal person disappears. Everybody searches for him. You never find him. Yeah. And that's the end of it.

Well, this case is unique because it takes a gigantic turn straight out of left field and smacks you right across your conspiracy theory fucking face. So to better understand what happens next in this story, we need to talk about what happened in 1990 first before we move ahead. So let's go ahead and discuss that.

Dan, can you tell us just a little bit about 1990? So the year is 1990. Kids were playing Nintendo, watching DuckTales, and body slamming each other like Hulk Hogan. Let me tell you something, brother.

However, in the backwoods of Gilmore, Texas, lived Wanda Hicks and Wendell Kerr, which, according to court documents, the kids there were having a very terrible time there. Yeah, I know what some of the listeners may be thinking. Okay, we're back at Gilmore, Texas, where Kelly went missing. It's 1992 years previous. But what the hell do Wanda Hicks and Wendell Kerr have to do with anything?

And why are kids having a terrible time there? Well, we need to talk about these people because they connect to Kelly Wilson's disappearance. But let's first talk about Wendell Kerr. So it's early 1990. Wendell Kerr was then married to his wife, Loretta Kerr. But Wendell was unhappy with their marriage. He told Loretta that he wanted a divorce.

So shortly after telling her this, Wendell started dating a woman named Wanda Hicks. A few weeks later, someone called CPS, which is Child Protective Services, and reported that Wendell had been sexually abusing his own children. I wonder who called them. Maybe it was the ex-wife, but we aren't going to speculate. Anyways, so what happens next after CPS is called, Dan?

Not long after the allegations of sexually abusing children, his own children, Texas opened up a case against Wendell Kerr and assigned two state child welfare workers, Ann Goer and Debbie Minshew, to investigate the allegations. So back to Wendell and Wanda. They had been dating for some time and now were living together in the backwoods of Gilmore, Texas on what was called the Compound.

This compound was a plot of land in the middle of the backwoods that had multiple trailers on it. Wendell's parents, Eugene and Geneva Kerr, owned the land, but they all lived on it together, along with his brother Danny and two family friends, Roger Don Holman and his wife, Tammy Jo Smith. God dang, that's a lot of people, man. That's a decent amount of people there. So, okay.

I feel like we need to backtrack a little because that is a lot of people. Okay, so I'm going to run through this real quick. We're back in Gilmore, Texas, 1990. Wendell Kerr gets divorced from his wife, Loretta. Wendell ends up meeting Wanda Hicks. Loretta calls CPS on Wendell and said that he was sexually abusing his own children.

So the state of Texas opened up a CPS case on Wendell Kerr and Ann Gore and Debbie Minshew were the investigators that were assigned to Wendell Kerr. And then it talked about the compound, which they all lived on with Wendell's parents, Eugene Genevieve and his brother, Danny, and two family friends, Roger and Roger's wife, Tammy.

So since Wendell and Wanda were dating and living together, Wanda's children from a previous marriage was also included in the questioning by the CPS workers, Ann and Debbie. So upon questioning those children, Wendell's children and Wanda's children, they begin to tell the investigators, Ann and Debbie,

that they were being tortured, molested, and sodomized by their parents, grandparents, and various strangers that lived or that came over to the compound. They also told stories of murder, dismemberment, post-mortem rape, and cannibalism of babies and children by the abusing adults.

They also told of abuse including satanic rituals involving masks and knives. And also here's something else. The initial medical examination of the children found genital and anal scarring consistent with sexual molestation. We're now going to go over in more detail of these accounts of what the children said, but I kind of want to warn you ahead of time.

This is pretty graphic. If you weren't really comfortable by what was just said, I would kind of not listen to the rest. But this is just a warning. So just let you know now to turn it off. If not, venture forth. So, Dan, can you tell us some more detail of the accounts of what the children said? So one child said to Ann and Debbie, and I quote, I collect bones.

I collect people's bones and all kinds of bones, animals and people. The child said that to Wendell and Wanda taught them how to collect bones. This child also was quoted as saying, like if it's an animal, then you dig the eyes out and you cook them in the microwave and eat them. What the hell? That's just nasty. I'm sorry. Yeah, that is. Can't eat animals. What the hell is wrong with these kids? He also mentions that Wendell and Wanda taught him how to keep animal bones in one box and human bones in another.

The boy also said that before he had so many bones that he had different boxes for white people's bones and black people's bones and one for only animal bones. How do you tell the... What? But he acquired so many bones that he had to put all his people bones together because he didn't have enough boxes. At least he brought the people together. No more segregation of bones. That's right.

This boy then told Ann Gore of how Wendell Kerr said he was going to cut off or cut his own leg and bleed out to where the child said very matter-of-factly, now if Wendell cut his leg and died, I would have to tear the meat off so that I could save the bones because I would really have to put that in my bone collection. What the hell? That gets fucked up now. Hold on, is that the same kid talking about bones? Yeah. Okay.

So another one of the children told, now this is a different one from the bone boy. He told how he was forced to watch a baby being killed

and later told to kill a baby himself. He then told of how he washed the baby's heart and brain and in detail described how he gutted the baby and removed the brain. The child went on to describe how this was done over the kitchen sink and how the blood was collected.

The boy then changed his demeanor and appeared quite frightened as he had remembered being told by Wanda that if he had told anyone, he would have been killed the same way. That poor kid. So all the children made a reference to a devil's quote-unquote pot in which blood was kept when they were cut. So they told of how Wanda cut their hands and made them bleed into this devil's pot. So that was a little...

Weird. Yeah. So there was a reference to a pregnant woman in a large hole dug in the ground where they made a large fire. One child had severe panic attacks when bandages were applied. And when asked, why do you not like band-aids? He replied back, Wanda put tape over my mouth. Her tie my hands down. The children referred to sex as making honey.

And they also spoke of handcuffs being tied to the floor, white powder being sprinkled on cake and being served coffee that had something else in it. White powder sprinkled on cake. You think they're giving them kids cocaine? Oh, no, it's just powdered sugar. Probably. I hope it's powdered sugar. Man, that's, oh, God dang. All right. So let's continue.

So after hearing all this, what did Ann and Debbie do? The two state workers, right? If you had to take a guess, Dan, what do you think they did after they sat down and heard of the bone kid? And then they heard of one kid talking about he saw a baby being killed and then described how he gutted and removed the brain of one baby.

What do you think the CPS workers did? I hope they would have just taken the kids out of there and just did something with the parents or the family. You would think that, right? You would think that would be the way to go. But instead, instead, they went and recruited two private occult investigators. Yeah, they went and hired additional investigators.

These investigators were Brooks Flegg and Steve Bags, and they were to assist in an investigation of these accounts by the children. You know, just like any normal state worker would do. They'd just go and hire some private occult investigators, right?

Anyways, well, there is some light at the end of the tunnel. So in total, 15 children connected to this family, they would end up being removed from their homes and ended up being placed into foster care. And the county ended up assigning a special prosecutor to this case, Scott Lyford.

He participated like super close with this investigation. So let's get into Scott Lieford. So Prosecutor Lieford decided to do a search of the Kerr property to look for evidence and back up the stories of the torture and the human sacrifice that Ann and Debbie had said the children were telling them about. He got a search warrant and raided the compound. He found three shallow grave-like depressions in the soil, a shovel with blood residue on it,

An area matching the children's description of where the abuses occurred, two devil masks, and a blood-stained mattress cover with four knives by it. That was exactly what the children said to have been used to murder and dismember children. Items were retrieved from the Kerr household as well. These were devices used to restrain and torture the children. Finally, plastic bags were found buried on the Kerr property, containing bone fragments.

Before Leifert took his evidence to the grand jury, the Texas Human Skeletal Identification Laboratory issued a report stating that the remains were most probably human. And then another report from a different laboratory filed months after the indictment was issued concluded that the remains were not human. Hmm. Some conflicting reports, huh? Yeah. Well, I mean, conflicting reports about the last part. The top part, I mean, is open and closed records.

case in my opinion you find all the shit that all the kids are saying you go on the property and find devil masks blood-stained mattresses knives that the kids were saying they used to murder and dismember other children and babies you find torture devices i don't know man anyways this is where the story of kelly wilson's disappearance that we spoke about earlier

And this curse, satanic child abuse shit start to overlap.

And get really weird if it isn't weird enough yet. So this is where the crossover happens. Do you remember me talking about the Sergeant James Brown that got obsessed with investigating the disappearance of Kelly Wilson? The one who was doing it in his free time and everything? So while he wasn't... Yeah, taking his vacation and actually doing the investigation of her disappearance. He was like obsessed with it. So while he was doing that...

That Scott Lieford guy, the special prosecutor, he was investigating the Kerr case. So they were both investigating at the same time. So just kind of keep that in mind. So in 1993, one of the children taken from the Kerr home and placed into a foster care.

who is only identified as R.S., as in Romeo Sierra, he claimed, or it claimed, that Kelly Wilson had been abducted, raped, and murdered by the Kurs. So, of course, as a result of this claim that Sergeant James Brown, his investigation began to overlap the investigation into the Kurs. He started looking into Kurs

this satanic cult and this claim that this kid made. So Sergeant Brown started investigating the Kerrs and their involvement with Kelly Wilson's disappearance. He focused on Wendell Kerr first, a key suspect, but quickly concluded that Wendell was not in the state of Texas at the time of Kelly's disappearance and that, in fact, he was in New York.

Sgt. Brown met with Special Prosecutor Scott Leifert, whom had been assigned to the Kerr case to discuss his findings. Sgt. Brown told Leifert about Wendell Kerr being in New York at the time of Kelly Wilson's disappearance and openly expressed his skepticism about the Satanic cult story.

This pissed off prosecutor Lieford to say the least. This Kerr case was Lieford's baby and nobody was putting it in the corner. Damn right. So special prosecutor Lieford decided to tell Sergeant Brown and I quote,

I am investigating the disappearance of Kelly Wilson now. I don't want you interfering. And if you do, we're going to have a problem. End quote. Ooh. Some fighting words. Oh, yeah. So you remember that one kid that we talked about earlier, that R.S. Romeo Sierra, the one that claimed Kelly Wilson had been abducted and raped and murdered by his family, right? Yep.

So a few days after Special Prosecutor Leifert told Sergeant Brown basically to fuck off, well, that kid RS, he ended up adding additional details to his account of Kelly Wilson. Do you want to cover those? Yeah. The mysterious RS kid said basically that Sergeant Brown was involved with the disappearance of Kelly Wilson, that he saw him come over and help out with torturing and murdering her.

He then went on to say that the police would not help, that they were also bad, and described in general terms a person resembling Brown as having participated in the sexual abuse. Adding more fire to Sergeant Brown, Connie Martin, who had been dating Wendell Kerr's brother Danny Kerr at the time, had also said that Sergeant Brown was involved in the ritual murder of Kelly. She gave a notarized statement which said the following. Um...

I was going to put on a girl voice, but I'm just going to do my regular voice. You got to do it. My name is Connie Martin. I live in Gilmore, Texas. No, I'm just going to go with the normal. Do that. Yes. No, I can't. The people will hate me. I'll get hate from it. I can't do that. No, I think they'd think it's funny. Okay. My name is Connie Martin. I live in Gilmore, Texas with Danny Kerr.

We are not married. I was present when Wendell Kerr and Danny Kerr, Don Holman, Wanda Kerr, and me drove into... Dude, I can't do that too long. And me drove into Gilmer, Texas in Danny's van. We picked up Kelly Wilson at a video store on the square. We drove back out to Eugene and Geneve Kerr's compound.

Eugene, Tammy Smith, and her son Raymond, and my two sons, Danny and Daniel, were there. Danny and Wendell led us all back to the woods. They made me and Wanda have sex with Kelly. She didn't want to. They made her. Danny and Wendell made her have sex with them. So did Geneva, Eugene, and Don Holman. Tammy Smith was there. They kept her quiet by putting tape over her mouth.

After they were through, they made me and Wanda take the kids back to the house. I don't know what they did with her after that. I gotta say, who the hell names their kids Danny and Daniel? Because Danny's like a nickname for Daniel. Yeah, what if... I feel offended. Yeah. Alright, so even though there was no forensic evidence to support this story, and the case hinged entirely on unreliable eyewitness testimony, murder indictments were handed down to the entire compound.

the grandparents Eugene and Geneva, their son Wendell and his wife Wanda Hicks, Wendell's brother Danny, and the two family friends Roger Don Holman and his wife, damn it, Joe Smith, as well as Gilmer Police Sergeant James Brown, all were charged with the murder of Kelly Wilson. You know, it seems kind of, I don't know, convenient whenever James Brown and Leifert bumped heads that all of a sudden that...

R.S. gave an additional statement and said that Sergeant Brown was involved. And then that girlfriend of Danny Kerr's at the time gave that notarized statement that said that she was there. I don't know. It seems anyways, but I guess we'll get to that here in a minute.

This is the final act. This is the final bit of it. So what did special prosecutor Scott Leifer do after he quote unquote solved the case? Well, he went to Robbie Wilson, which is Kelly's father, and said the following to them. I am proud after many years I have finally solved your daughter's disappearance.

Now, this turned out really bad for Lieford because Connie Martin ended up recanting her statement and said she made it all up. Damn. I don't know. Can you take it back even though after you got it notarized and stuff? I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question. Yeah. Well.

This left Special Prosecutor Lyford with the only other evidence that he had, which was the social worker's report that the child R.S. had said that they witnessed the murder. Faced with a shaky, shitty case, the Attorney General's office reversed Lyford and got the court to dismiss all the murder indictments. Recently, the Child Protective Services transferred Ann and Debbie to other duties and began an investigation of their conduct in the case.

I would too. Fucking hiring a cult investigators. Come on. Yeah. Sergeant Brown was reinstated at his position as a police officer, but ended up quitting and said that he had lost all faith in the justice system.

Rightfully so. I would have done the same thing. Yeah. So in 2001, Brown and the Kers filed separate civil lawsuits against Scott Lyford, which was the prosecutor, and the CPS workers involved. Their suits were dismissed by a federal district court on what were essentially grounds of qualified immunity is what they call this.

It's basically government officials cannot be sued unless certain grounds can be met, such as a denial of civil rights. What type of fuck? What type of bullshit are they? Are they running, man? I want some of that qualified immunity. That's what I want, too. Anyways.

So that's the case in all that happened, but it doesn't end there. Now we're going to go over some strange facts and findings in both of these cases. And then afterwards, we'll go over some suspects and then we'll wrap it all up with our thoughts and theories. So, Dan, you want to hit us with the first strange fact? Of course.

So, upon the arrest, one of the curs was given a form to fill out that included a question about annual income. Don't know, she wrote. As her parents' address, another defendant wrote, don't know address was raised children home. Yes, they spelled address with only one D.

This shows the level of education here. Yeah. You can kind of speculate if, okay, if they weren't that educated, obviously they're not going to be that much of a thinker, right? So maybe they could easily influenced into a story that somebody wants them to believe. Very true. Another strange fact is that Kelly Day Wilson's vehicle, it was never fingerprinted. So that's a little weird.

Figure that's like one of the things, one of the things they should have done. Yeah. I mean, isn't that like the very first thing they do? I don't know. So next one is Roger Don Holman. Remember him? He was the family friend of the curse. He was one of the people living in the compound with the curse was primarily a bus driver. But at one time he had been a reserve police officer for the big Sandy police department.

Holman was accused of sexually abusing a child in Gladewater, Texas, but those charges were eventually dropped. Holman was known to be a religious fanatic and would quote scripture while being questioned during his interrogation into Kelly Wilson's disappearance.

You imagine that if you're sitting down and you're like, so, sir, where were you January 5th, 1992? And the Lord would say, they're like looking at me like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? Anyway, I thought that was weird, you know? Yes. All right. Another strange fact is that there is a rumor when you go through the interwebs and you start digging this up, you will find that there's a rumor that

that Sergeant Brown, he had been dating or quote unquote seeing Kelly Wilson at the time of her disappearance. Now, this is just a rumor, okay?

And Sergeant Brown denies ever actually meeting or knowing Kelly Wilson, even though he did say that she may have served him coffee once when she worked at a Golden Corral in Gilmer, Texas. Which is odd because he knew specifically that she served him coffee. This...

Strange little facts like these that make you switch your position on who you feel sorry for, right? Because I felt sorry for him and how Lieford treated him, that special prosecutor. But then it's like, why would Kelly Wilson go with the curse unless Sergeant Brown was with him and she was dating him, trusted him, went with him, they took him to the woods and killed her?

I don't know. He was dedicated to the case. Maybe he was dedicated to covering up, but we'll go over that at the end. So there's something interesting to add to this theory of, or this rumor of Sergeant Brown dating Kelly Wilson was that before Kelly's disappearance, Sergeant Brown put in his resume for a position at the Winsboro police department, but he was denied.

So when asked about it, the chief of police at Winsboro was quoted saying, and I quote, we do not want to hire someone who is known to associate with high school girls. Oh, damn. His business is out there. That right there. Oof. What do you think of that? Busted.

Almost made me spill my water. God dang. All right. November 16th of 1994, the Gilmer police released a statement that five boxes of the evidence from the Wilson case were stolen from the police evidence room. The boxes contained copies of the records in the case. The originals were forwarded to the attorney general's office. And guess what? These are also missing.

What happens to this shit? Is there like a bad chain of custody when it comes to most of these cases we come across? Because a lot of these have stuff that are stolen or taken away. Evidence always mysteriously disappearing. Yeah, kind of pisses me off. Anyways, so those are some strange facts. But all of this still leaves the question of what happened to Kelly Wilson. So let's discuss the suspects.

So suspect number one, Chris Denton. Chris Denton was Kelly's boyfriend at the time. He was known for having a hot temper and was seen having an argument with Kelly the night before she disappeared. He sold his car only one month after Kelly went missing.

by traveling to Louisiana and had a dealer ship his car to Mexico. My God. Damn. So when investigators tracked down the car, they found strands of hair inside and noticed the truck mat was missing.

Chris also had a shaky alibi on the night Kelly disappeared, and he took a polygraph test and failed it. But, I mean, none of that really matters now if we're talking about solving a case because he died of cancer in 2004. Damn. Yeah. That's the first suspect, Chris Denton. So who's the second one? The second suspect, Brent Ward. Brent Ward is Chris Denton's cousin who claimed they were riding around in a pickup truck together on the night Kelly went missing.

He also failed a polygraph test. In 1995, was convicted and sentenced to three years in prison for perjury after lying to a grand jury about being at work on the day of Kelly's disappearance. Timesheets showed Ward was not at work and his supervisor testified that Ward had asked him to lie to law enforcement and provide him with a false alibi. Ward supposedly told his supervisor that he and two friends had been at the video store messing around with Kelly 15 minutes before it closed.

Hmm. Weird. All right, let's go over the next guy. Michael, a BB was a 17 year old high school acquaintance of Kelly's.

who was the one who slashed the tire on her car. He actually admitted to this tire slashing and served 90 days in jail. But he claimed it was just a random act of vandalism and denied all knowledge of Kelly's disappearance. And that's all we have on him, is that he just slashed her tire, and that's it. But that puts him as a suspect, so... Yeah, that little shit slashing tires. Yeah, what's wrong with you, baby? Our final suspect...

Joe Henry. Y'all remember who Joe Henry is? He's the owner of the Northeast Texas video. And he was the last person to see Kelly alive.

It raised some red flags when he was arrested for possession of child pornography in 2004. But authorities reiterated that he was never considered a serious suspect as he had a pretty solid alibi after he left the store that night. The alibi was that he was taking care of his mother who was failing health at the time. Alright, so those are our suspects. But I have my own personal theory about what happened that night. You want me to get into it? Go for it. Alright.

All right. So after researching this case for hours, for weeks, for months, which seems like sometimes years we were researching it for Dan. Oh yeah. Yeah. We're sitting there, look up at the clock and it's been 32 hours straight of us researching it. Right. We call up Gilmer police department, tried to get them to.

answer some questions. They hung up. We got in contact with multiple people involved with the case. They all hung up with us. Nobody wanted to talk to us about it. However, one day we'll be reputable investigational people, right? Yeah. Investigational journalists. One day we will be and people will answer our calls.

Anyways, all right, so this is my guess of what happened. Okay, are you ready? Ready. So it's the night of Kelly's disappearance. She gets out of work, she gets into her car, and she realized her tire is slashed. So she continued on to drop the receipts off at the bank nearby and at some point ran into her boyfriend who admitted that

to driving around with his cousin that night possibly offers to help with the tire but after heading back to the video store parking lot changes his mind giving their fight the day before he was possibly still upset and seized the moment of vulnerability and ended up killing her which that is my guess it is the boyfriend who did this chris denton killed her ended up

discarding her body in Louisiana somewhere in the swamps, ended up shipping the car to Mexico where the investigators then tracked it down, noticed his mat was missing and then found strands of hair inside of it that led to nothing. But he failed to polygraph. He had a shaky alibi, but he died of cancer in 2004. So we'll never know the truth. That is my guess.

Okay, okay. I mean, it kind of makes sense. There is one thing that did, like, catch my attention, though, about what Brent Ward said, Chris Denton's cousin. He said that they were at the video store 15 minutes before it closed messing around with Kelly. Yeah. Wouldn't the manager or the owner, Joe Henry, know about that, too? But he's never said nothing about it? Ooh. You hit a plot hole. Reopen the investigation. Reopen. Daniel solved it. Reopen it. All right. So...

My theory on it, Joe Henry and Sergeant Brown are in cahoots. Uh-oh. Sergeant Brown supposedly was seeing her, and Joe Henry is, well, a pedophile. He watches child pornography and was charged with possession of it in 2004.

So that probably back then he probably had some more or had some back then started his collection. Who knows? Oh my God. Also, if he is a store owner and you had a 17 year old female working for you, wouldn't you want to make sure she actually leaves the parking lot and such before you dip out? Yeah. He just straight up sees her, buy her the car and just leaves. I feel like that is just a lie. Her tire was slashed. Only one of them.

I'm sorry, but I've driven where I puncture the side of my tire on a stormwater drain with the metal lip. Yeah, I got a little too close, but I was able to make it a little ways down the road until bam. You definitely know you got a flat tire. Yeah, you do. So her making it to the bank and back is hard to believe. I feel like she probably dropped off the deposit, went back to let her boss know. He abducted her and conveniently little old BB saw a car all alone and a tire that had just the perfect roundness tire.

and that it ticked him off. So why do I throw Sergeant Poop, I mean, Sergeant Brown Bomber? He was already seeing her. I'm sure he probably stopped by a few times to check out the underage talent, which with seeing the interest Joe has as well, pretty positive he noticed the same thing the sergeant did. So they ended up having to work together to keep each other from being caught. Sergeant Brown Bomber made sure that

The search and the case went away from Joe and focused elsewhere. Yeah, the sergeant was charged with the murder, but he knew they didn't have much to go on. And the general attorney was more focused on the satanic cult. So the case was already, well, let's just go ahead and call it as it is. It was totally foobar. Yeah, it was. The whole entire case was completely messed up from the very beginning. Absolutely crazy. I mean, that's all we really have on it.

that's where it sits right now. But this whole disappearance of her is weird. The Wenda and Wanda Kerr and the satanic kid thing. That whole thing is...

You don't even know where to go. That's why I thought this was such a good story for us to cover, right? Yeah. You don't know where to go in this story. It's so much information. It goes so many different ways. It's weird. Yeah. Whatever happened to Kelly, the culprits, the culprits set it up perfect, I guess you could say. Small town, satanic cult, they're going to get the more attention. You know, girl goes missing. It's upsetting, but

You're going to pay attention to one girl or a cult that's eating babies and kids and doing all kinds of stuff. Yeah. And then at that time, there was kind of like a satanic panic going on. That's right. So whoever set it up, like you said, set it up perfect to where they weren't even going to be looked at. Just the satanic cult would be. But then it makes you question what were the kids talking about?

You know, with all the babies being murdered and all that, isn't that worth looking into? Yeah. That and, you know, the one kid knew exactly how to frigging gut kids or like tear meat off of bones to collect the bones. And yeah, gut kids and take the brain out. So weird.

Anyways, that's the disappearance of Kelly Day Wilson and the Texas Satanic Cannibal Cult. Do you have any final things you want to say before we move on from this, Daniel? I still think it's Joe Henry and Sergeant Brown. All right. Well, I think it's the boyfriend. He did it.

To be continued. We don't know. We don't know what happened. We probably never will know what happened. So all we can do until then is speculate. But write us and let us know who you think did it. We'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions on it. If you find out any more information, of course, let us know. Yep. So with that being said, I guess let's move into a couple of voicemails we'll go over.

Then we'll do the iTunes reviews and ratings. All right, so this first voicemail is from Yeetmaster6420. So we're going to play that right now. Mom, I'll take the trash out in a minute. I'm trying to play Minecraft. Oh, sorry, guys. You might have known me as...

Unominus, aka Big Dipper. And well, I think now I'd like to be known as Yeetmaster6420. And well, I love you guys. People don't say that enough nowadays. Also, kneecaps. Alright, keep it easy and stay breezy, San Diego.

Oh, my God. Yeet master 6420. You know what? He's right. We don't say kneecaps enough. It's exactly right. So were you here when he called or when he left a voicemail last time? No, but I've heard about it. Yeah. So he left a great voicemail a few weeks ago. A little bit, little dipper, big dipper.

I mean, we can't call him Big Dipper anymore. We got to call him Yeetmaster6420. Yeetmaster6420. Thank you for the voicemail. Thank you for the love. Man, stay safe out there and keep playing that Minecraft. And kneecaps. All right. So this next one is from Anonymous. So we'll play that right now. Yo, I want to show you guys the show is the best. This is Dale from Canada. I can't leave a written review on iTunes, but here's my support. Have a great one.

Dale, I want to say move on over. I want you to make an extra room for me up there in Canada. Okay. Canada. We're going to come live up there with you. Okay. Number one, love your accent. Number two, I love Canada. Number three, I love Dale. So thank you for your support. Thank you for your love. It's all right. You can't leave an iTunes review. It's totally fine. We'll take the voicemail love just as much. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. But tell him, Dan. I love you. Oh, yeah. All right. So thank you.

Alright, that's the end of the voicemails. Now, we go to the ratings and reviews. So the first one we got this week is from Ricky underscore A. He left a five-star review on March 13th with a subject line that reads, a good listen if you don't have a stick up your ass. He goes on to say, hey, it's Ricky A. Thanks for putting me on Ghost 3. You guys are awesome. Don't change nothing.

But I have a request on a subject, if possible, the Fourth Reich and the camps that they had that they had Nazis living in in South America, like Argentina, and did human experiments up until the late 90s. So first of all, thank you, Ricky A for the five stars. Thank you for the love and not a problem for putting you in the ghost theory. If you submitted your story, we put you in. So just want to thank you for submitting it.

Now, I've heard about the Fourth Reich. I've heard about Nazis living in South America and Argentina. I have not heard about the human experiments up until the late 90s there in that specific area. Have you, Dan? I have not. So it's something we're going to have to look into. But it's definitely, yeah, it's on our list now. So thank you, Ricky, for the love, for the support. And we will add that to our list.

Alright, this next one is from StrawberryRagdollX. It was left on March 15th and it is five stars. With the subject line that reads, best podcast I've heard. They go on to say, hey guys, I love the podcast. Keep up the great work. I love listening while working because it keeps me thinking while unloading merchandise. I love the intros because it shows off everyone's lighthearted personality.

I hope that y'all can touch on a topic on the similarities of urban legends and many cultures. I like to think that we're all connected in a way and, and specifically in some of the things we fear. Love you all. Thank you. Strawberry rag doll, uh, urban legends and many cultures.

That is something we're going to have to review and go over is something we're going to have to go over is urban legends in different cultures. There's a lot of them, but they're all so good. There are definitely a lot of them. But that is definitely added to our list. But thank you for your love and your support. And I'm glad we could be right there with you while you're unloading merchandise. And I want you to remember to please lift with your legs. So take a deep breath right now. Use your legs. Bend down and then stand up. Bend those kneecaps.

Exactly. Well, not the kneecaps, but the knees. All right. Well, thank you again. And we love you. Yes. Thank you. Okay. This next one is from Nikki G 93 one four. It was left on March 17th. It is five stars with a subject line that reads, love you guys. They go on to say, I'm so glad I discovered this podcast. Where can I find a pic of you guys? I need to match a face with your sexy voices, especially Kate, especially Kate's tongue emoji.

my new girl crush oh so uh thank you for your love nikki thank you for your five stars thank you for your support um hmm pictures of us we aren't going to really show actual pictures of ourselves just for privacy reasons but maybe in the future maybe in the future so thank you for that

Yeah. Maybe just for you. I don't know though. I don't, I don't want no model agency to be calling me bugging me. Oh yeah. You, how many times did they call you that one time? Oh man. Tell you all I showed was like the top part of my head and fucking phone. Just the top part of just the top section of your head was your face wasn't even involved. No. They were like, that's a nice fucking top head right there. Dude. I got to tell you my Asian genes. I got some nice fucking hair.

You do. I have to, I have to say you do have it. Come here. Let me touch it. Come here. Here we go. Come here. See, that's, that's some nice hair. That is some nice hair.

All right. Thank you, Nikki, for the love. All right. We're going to move to the next one. So the next one is Little London. Left on March 18th. It has five stars. With a subject line that reads, great podcast. They go on to say, just came across this podcast. Love the content and the cast is great as well. Kate's voice is super sexy. Thank you, Little London. We will let Kate know of that. And that seems to be a popular theme. Yep. So is mine not sexy enough for you? No, I'm just kidding. Does it not turn you on?

you on oh my god don't don't fucking do that i will unplug this computer all right but thank you london for your love and uh we'll continue serving you knowledge nuggets in your ear hole that's right

All right, this next one is from City of Angels. Left on March 19th, it is five stars with a subject line that reads, dope. They go on to say, love the show, love the facts and the theories. Keep up the good work. I got a lot of scary stories from my father and mother from when they were young. Hopefully I can share some with you as time goes and they can make it on the show.

Well, hey, City of Angels, thank you for your love. Thank you for your five stars. Go ahead and submit them if you want. You can go to theoriesofthethirdkind.com slash contact or you can just go to our website, click on the contact button, excuse me, and you can find our email addresses there, which is Aaron at Theories of the Third Kind or Dan at Theories of the Third Kind.

Or you can go to our social medias, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and you can DM us on there and send your personal stories in through there. We'll storm under ghost stories for, which is it'll be a few months until we go over that. So just letting you know, unless you have some Ouija board stories and that will be before that because we'll cover Ouija board before that, but send them in and we'll cover them. But thank you again for the love and the five stars and, uh,

Keep doing you. That's right. All right. So this next one is from AKM19223. It was left on March 19th. It is four stars with a subject line that reads enjoyable. They go on to say, I really like the content here. Good range of topics and discussion and three personalities opinions make for good combo and interesting listening. I see some hate on the digression and episodes, but what real conversations don't go off track here and there.

Thank you, AKM. I agree, Daniel. I mean, sometimes there is some, and we digress in some episodes, but I think it's gotten a lot better here recently. Yeah, I think it has. Yeah, but thank you, AKM, for your love, for your support, and for everything. Fucking corona. All right. So this next one is from Ellen Swan. It was left on March 21st. It is five stars with a subject line that reads, dope.

They go on to say, yo, this is awesome. I am obsessed with creepy stuff. And I came across this. It met my expectation and it is so good.

You have to watch this in all capital letters. P.S. Can you guys do an episode on the man from Torrid? The man from Torrid. Thank you, Alan, for your five stars and your love. And the man from Torrid. Didn't we already cover him on our thoughts and theories, Dan? Wasn't that that guy who... Hold on. I'm going to have to look that up real quick.

From Torrid. The story arrived at the Japanese airport. Yeah, we covered him on the time travel on episode. It was the guy who arrived at the Japanese airport and he had a passport and he said he was from the country Torrid. Oh. But there was like no country named Torrid. But I think barely glazed over that. That's like all we said about him, which we could cover him. I mean, I'm down to cover him. Put him on the list. You just made the list. But thank you, Alan, for the suggestion, for the love. We love you.

All right, this next one is from Kinsey Sway 23, left on March 21st. It is five stars with subject line that reads amazing. They're going to say, I'm a huge conspiracy theorist lover and I just stumbled across this podcast while searching for new conspiracy podcasts. It's my new favorite podcast. I love you guys. You're funny. And I feel like I'm just listening to some friends talk.

I heard on a podcast someone say a bad review about a girl saying it would be better without her when actually she is my favorite. Love her voice. Don't listen to the haters and keep up the good work, guys.

Thank you for the love, Kenzie Sway, and for the five stars. And I'm glad we can be your new favorite conspiracy podcast. Definitely. Hopefully. Hopefully we can keep up that love. And if you got any suggestions or anything, shoot them our way. Oh, sure. All right. The next one is from Gina Gee 7. Left on March 21st. It is five stars with a subject line that reads, Litty.

They go on to say, I really enjoy hearing all y'all. I stumbled upon y'all and I've been binging for two days. Thanks for the awesome content. No, no, no. Thank you, GinaG7, for the five stars and for the great review. All right. This next one, of course, is one star.

we always got to have that one person, but it's fine. So this next one is from Bigfoot Stacy. It is March. It was left on March 22nd and it is one star is a subject subject line reads. Never get, never get that time back.

They go on to say, listen to the allocated Crowley episode. I assume that Bigfoot Stacy meant Alistair Crowley episode, but hey, it's autocorrect. So anyways, not going to bash y'all. It takes a lot to get these things going and keep it going. However, the dude who was trying to be funny, stop it.

You're very annoying and not actually funny at all. Kate, love the sound of your voice. Do your own show. I listen till the end, but I can't deal with the one dude. Very, very annoying. I mean, dude, just shut your mouth. Kate even had to ask you to get out of the room. Good luck.

Well, all right. Not going to bash you, but give you one star. Okay. So she was talking about clearly talking about Donnie in the Aleister Crowley episode because Donnie kept chiming in and kind of bickering with Kate and Kate told him to leave the room. So. Makes sense. But we'll pass on the word to Donnie and Kate and tell Kate to start her own show. So.

Just for you, Bigfoot Stacy. But thank you for the review, and we will pass that forward. I like the name, though. Bigfoot Stacy. I do like it, yeah. All right, next one is from Lal O. It was left on March 23rd, and it is five stars, with a subject line that reads, awesome as always. They go on to say, great podcast these last few weeks. I'm finally all caught up, and I just want to let you guys know you guys are doing great. Anytime soon...

On the Las Vegas shooting. A lot of interesting stuff. Keep being great. Love you all. Take care. Thank you for the five stars. Thank you for the love. The Las Vegas shooting is on our episode list. Isn't it, Daniel? It is. And it may seem that when you guys have suggestions that we always say that, but I'm being completely honest. We have a giant list of episodes.

what episodes are next and they get moved up and down depending on the suggestion. Like if there's someone's like, Hey, I want to listen to that one. Then we'll bump it up and we'll keep bumping it up until it gets to the top. Oh yeah. So keep suggesting what you want to suggest and we'll keep bumping up the ones you guys want and we'll eventually get to them. Nothing's stopping this train. We're going to keep pumping out episodes, you know, unless the Corona gets us, which it's already gotten some people.

All right. Had to get a swig of some water. We only got six more.

All right. So this next one is from 46. It was left on March 25th. It is five stars with a subject line that reads awesome podcast. They go on to say, Hey everyone, I just want to say that I really enjoy the podcast. I love the blend of seriousness and the humor. It's really refreshing and entertaining. I'm always looking forward to new episodes. Thank you 46 for the love, for the five stars, for the support. You're awesome. Thank you. So this next one is from sweaty bowels. It was left on March 27th. It is five stars. It is five stars.

with a subject line that reads, picked it on its cover. They're going to say, you guys were my first pick when I searched conspiracy podcast and you did not disappoint. Doing a fantastic job. I'd love to listen to an Isaac Cappies. Keep IP the good work. I'm guessing he meant keep up the good work.

That's it. So thank you, Sweaty Balls. And so their suggestion, Isaac Cappy. Now, if I recall correctly, don't bash me, listeners, if I get this wrong, but Isaac Cappy was an individual who, quote unquote, committed suicide. But before he did, he was outing the elite, saying that they were filled with pedophiles in the industry and named all these people like Tom Hanks and Oprah and all these individuals saying that they raped a whole bunch of kids and all that stuff. And

Then he was quote unquote suicided. So we'll add him to the list. I don't think he's on the list, but we'll definitely add him. Suicided. Thank you, Sweaty Balls, for the five stars and for the love. We love you. And Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Yep. All right. This next one is from P-Rock BHH. It was left on March 28th. It is five stars with a subject line that reads, great podcast and interesting topics.

They go on to say, I really enjoy the level of insight, thoughts, and humor from you guys that presented in pretty much every episode. Thanks for making my grinding experience on JRPGs on my PS4 not feel so monotonous. Keep up the great work. Thank you, P-Rock BHH for the five stars. And I'm glad we could be right there with you as you do your quests.

on your jrpgs on your ps4 farming them items to make the ultimate weapon or something like that yeah you keep farming and you listen to us if you want no pressure but it's greatly appreciated and know that we're always there cheering you on and you fucking you do that quest you gather those four apples and kill those five boars and you collect that skin

And you collect that nice mace, that new mace to add on to your character, and you level up. That's right. Yeah. But thank you, P-Rock. You're awesome. So this next one is from SithSense, left on March 29th. It is five stars with a subject line that reads, They go on to say, Thank you, SithSense.

You're amazing. And thank you for the five stars and the love. I'm glad we could provide you with some entertainment. Yeah, thank you. So this next one is from Corey95 left on April 3rd. It is five stars with a subject line that reads, my favorite new podcast. They're going to say, just found y'all and I love y'all's podcast. Heart emoji. Thank you, Corey95 for the five stars, for the love. We love you. Much love. Yeah, much love. All right, the last one.

The last review was left on April 4th, and it is from iRubin, and it is five stars. The subject line that reads, great podcast.

Reptilian Rubin. Reptilian Rubin. Nice.

Thank you. Rip reptilian Ruben for the five stars. Thank you for the love. Um, I'm, I'm honored to hear that we're one of your new, uh, favorite podcast. We'll continue throwing these episodes out and we'll continue trying to do what we can do. You know, if it's not too personal, can we see your tail? Ooh, I like that. Yep. So that's all the ratings reviews. It's all the voicemails. We'll do some quick, uh, shout outs real quick. Um,

Let me see. I'll do Instagrams first. I want to give a shout out to Chipper Atlanta, Jessica Cecilia, Hermit, Tex9, Sydney Leo4, It's Huff, Lucky Breeze381, Erica Bone, Danny Gibson, Prometheus Prime.

Jason likes tattoos. All my friends are brainwashed. McKenzie Ray, Brad 0794, Chemical Eva, Zach Attack, Tennille Chapman, Chade Chesser, J Horse Chief, and Turlef, Turlef, I think I'm pronouncing that right. I'm probably not, but I want to give all you guys a shout out. Thank you for the love.

Thank you for the support and keep sending your messages on Instagram and I'll respond as quickly as I can right now. I think I've got, I don't know.

30 or 40 new messages I have to review and go over. And all of them, for some reason, get sent to spam. But yeah, thank you everybody for the love and support and keep sending your good stuff in. Definitely. You got any Twitter shout outs or anything on Twitter? No, we did get a bunch of followers. When I say a bunch, probably like a handful, but nothing too exciting. So I encourage people to tweet at me, say something, insults me.

Notice me, Senpai. Notice me, Senpai. Notice me. So another thing, too, I wanted to say something about the Facebook messaging. We are super backed up on the Facebook messages, backed up so much that we're a month behind on the Facebook messages response. I think right now there's a auto response on Facebook. So if you've got and if you message us, you've got like this, let us read over this message and we'll get back to you as quick as we can.

I'll start taking over those messages and start responding to them. So I'm just going to let you know your message has not been, has not fallen on deaf ears.

We will respond to your Facebook messages as well. So with that being said, I apologize for no Facebook shout outs this week. And I love you. Just know that. We love you all. Yep. So that's the end of the episode. You got anything you want to say before we wrap her up? Stay safe out there. Keep doing the social distancing. Don't hang out in too big of crowds. No coughing, sneezing on people. You know, practice good hygiene shit. I suggest the same.

I wanted to thank everybody for listening to us today. Practice your social distancing. Practice your love with one another as well. If you want to reach out to us, you can go to our social medias or you can go to theoriesofthe3rdkind.com and leave a voicemail with us and we will review it. And with that being said, Dan, you want to roll us out? It's okay, guys, to be out of this world with your thoughts. Because you're not alone.