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- If I do something and I can reach, you know, even a million people, which doesn't sound like a lot, but if you do it on every platform, you can get a million views in a month or two months. It's not that hard, right? If you start off and you do something like that, and even 1% of those people, like, find your, whatever it is you sell so valuable that they buy, you can become outrageously wealthy. But the first thing I think you do, everyone has to do, is fix their social media.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a special edition of the Money Mondays. I have a very special guest today because he has one of the only podcasts that I actually listen to. This gentleman has gained, I don't know, how many hundreds of zillions of views over the years, creating really, really good content. And then he finally decided to dive into the podcast world. He co-hosts podcasts with other people, has his own podcast, etc.,
We are co-hosted here by The Real Tarzan, also getting around 200 million views a month across social media, mostly focused on animal content and to help save our planet. He just got back here from Venezuela. Thank God I didn't have him here for two weeks. So now we're diving in. We're going to do multiple podcasts today to knock out for you guys.
So without further ado, we have our special guest, Mr. Michael Sartain. Hey, what's going on, man? I made it. My guidance counselor said I wasn't going to be, but here I am. I made it to Monday Mondays. Can you guys hear his voice? He just sounds like a radio show host. So for every one of our charity events over the last, I don't know, five, six, seven, eight years, Michael has actually been gracious enough to host the Red Carpet event.
for a couple different reasons. One, he knows hundreds and hundreds of models so it's easy for him to interact with them when he's interviewing them because he actually knows them and he's not nervous and like, ah, getting freaked out when models or influencers come up to him. He's not going to be like fanboying the athletes and celebrities that are showing up to our charity events or to our birthday parties, etc. And he's just really good at it and so we make a lot of great content from it. But he's turned all
of that into an actual business. And so here on the Money Mondays, we talk about three core topics, how to make money, how to invest money, how to give it away to charity. He was literally just at a charity event last night that he was hosting with like, what was it, 1,500, 2,000 people? Yeah, it's probably close to 2,000 people for the Teddy Ball. That's so crazy. In San Diego, I think it's probably the biggest single charity event. That's a big number, 2,000 people for charity. That's fantastic. So I want to dive right into it. Let's talk about the making money side first.
Walk us through the before you started business coaching and mentoring and those type of things and podcasting and getting all this traffic and views. Walk us through the life before that. Nightlife world, entertainment world, hosting, et cetera. Walk us through how can people out there make money in the entertainment space? So what's really interesting is that because you know me from the hosting, you actually understand how I started the business. And I talk about this all the time. It was like...
If Dan Fleischman taught a social circle business, it would be what I teach in Men of Action. Because I refer to you all the time. The main thing I say is do things for other people and ask for nothing in return. But you think about that and it just sounds like you're doing charity and you're being taken advantage of. But in reality, you end up creating businesses because...
One of the things you realize is with the scalability of social media, if I do something and I can reach, you know, even a million people, which doesn't sound like a lot, but if you do an every platform, you can get a million views in a month or two months. It's not that hard, right? Uh, you know, for you guys, you said you're doing 200 million views a month. If you start off and you do something like that, and even 1% of those people like find your, whatever it is, you sell so valuable that they buy, you can become outrageously wealthy.
from that. I just don't think people grasp that concept. When you really think about all the people that watched Tai Lopez when he does the video of Here I Am in My Garage, the number of people who watch that video versus the number of people who actually bought 67 Steps is less than a fraction of 1%, but it made him over $100 million probably. And it's just craziness when you come to this concept. So Wes Watson is another person. He says, I'm the motherfucker
motherfucker who just doesn't quit. Right. He keeps going on and on. He keeps providing value. One of the things that actually got me really motivated to do this business was when I interviewed Wes and he was like, I would have guys who would come and watch my free stuff for two or three years. And then finally buy my program two or three years, man, that actually made me feel great. I started having clients that had been following me for three, four years, and then they finally bought. And I was like, and it's the most rewarding thing. And we ended up hiring him.
We usually end up hiring those guys to be sales leads. We end up hiring them to do different stuff because they understand the concepts of the company. Now, what you were asking before, I get out of the military in 2011. Before that, I had worked in sports radio briefly. I was a DJ at a strip club for four years. Sports radio, so I knew it. Yeah, for sure. There was a DJ at a strip club for four years, which actually got it to where, if you're a DJ at a strip club, you have to talk on the microphone for eight hours a day. You get refined on the microphone. You don't have any issues on a microphone after doing that.
And then in the military, I was actually the presenter for a lot of the award ceremonies. So I would do that. And then I was also an emcee at a night. Hopefully my commander isn't watching this, but I was an emcee at a nightclub also while I was doing that, you know, part-time while I was an officer, I retired as a, as a captain. So I get out and I remember in oh seven, I went to Las Vegas for a week and I remember going there. I was like, dude, I'm, I don't take any leave ever. I might as well just take a week of leave. I went there for the NBA all-star game. Cause I'm friends with Kenny Smith. He's one of the guys on inside the NBA. And,
And I go there and I go to a bunch of parties. And during the week, I just remember going to a place called Tangerine and another place called Jet and another place called Pure. They're all gone now. Tao is still there. And seeing the most beautiful women I'd ever seen in my life. And it was a Tuesday. And I was like, and if you're local, you get in free. And I was, and remember, I'm in my 20s or my late 30s, my late 20s, early 30s. And I'm just like, this is the easiest.
that i've ever seen in my life like the rest of the rest of the world's out there like going out trying to meet hot girls and like i would go out in vegas on a tuesday and see the most beautiful i'm like dude i'm moving here as soon as i got out of the military i split time between vegas and la
And then a couple of things happened. I started working with a small event company for a while and they helped me understand how the nightlife scene works. So there's a couple of things. There's a nightlife scene and then there's like table game and then there's social media. And then all these things were like conflated as say 2011. This is when Dan Bilzerian gets on Instagram and he starts taking off. So we kind of see, okay, this is our first exam. Dan is like our first example. He's a good friend of mine.
He's his first example of this is what you can do that will go viral. The concept of viral really wasn't a thing. There was kind of some Facebook and Twitter tag a friend. It wasn't the same thing. And then we watched Dan and he in his like level of I just don't give a no matter what I do, I'm just going to get more views and more and more reaction. That was kind of the first time we saw that. And so that blew up. And then it
So I'm living in Las Vegas during this time period. And I remember the first thing I did was I hosted a bikini fashion show at Lily Bar in the Bellagio. I was working with this group. And I got on the microphone and I just made everybody laugh. I think that they thought it was just kind of a throwaway thing where I was going to say people's names. But I just made everybody laugh. So they hired me to come back again. Then we started recruiting girls for these bikini fashion shows. Then Rehab, which was the oldest pool...
in the city at that point, Rehab Pool asked us to host their bikini competition and then do the recruiting. Well, I mean, now we got 50 grand behind us to do recruiting, so now I'm getting two, 300 girls to show up. From there, one of the guys from Maxim...
Remember the Maxim Party used to be thrown by Karma? Remember Karma International used to do the Playboy Mansion and then they did the Maxim Party. So I was a videographer at the Playboy Mansion and then one time I was a videographer. I was supposed to be for the Maxim Party in Bel Air, I would say 2015. And the girl who was supposed to do it was Caitlin O'Connor or
yeah, Kate. Yeah. I think that's who it was. And she couldn't show up. So I ended up being the host and that's where I met Steve Fowler from babies and toilet. And that's where my Joel Alvarez from black tape project on that red carpet. And I met Emily Sears on that red carpet too. And then from there, everything just kind of flourished. So then I was hosting babies and toilet. I was hosting, uh,
And then I talked to you and then it was, once I hosted Babes in Toyland, Marcella Navarrete, she asked me to come host your event. And then that's when I did it and then try to give you like the best video I possibly could. And from there, I wanted to just basically have a monopoly to host every single red carpet charity event there was. And I just started learning these things from meeting people and sitting down with them, became good friends with Tai Lopez and a bunch of these people. And then from doing so, I was like, okay,
There's something we're doing here that's working really well, but I don't know how to codify it. And I started reading a bunch and I got into psychology, the concepts of evolutionary psychology, the concepts of mate choice copying, which is when men are surrounded by women, more women find them attractive. And I was like, man, there's something here.
And I was really interested in it. I was giving speeches on it, but I wasn't doing it professionally. I was still working in finance. I was a quantitative analyst. And then in 2020, when the COVID happened, the crash happened. And so these two parts of my life, whereas this financial part of my life, where I just was, we were decimated. This fund I was working for, we just got destroyed. And...
And I was sitting here sort of teaching this part-time, and I was like, what if I start teaching this full-time? And so the concept of starting Men of Action came in, I want to say, December of 2019. And then we turned it into a real business, say, October of 2020. And then we started doing, I think the first month we did $40,000. This last month we did $520,000.
That's about what we're doing right now. But it's all come from the concepts of the things that I've learned over the last 10 years or the last 20 years from you being in the U S military and then working in nightlife and all this high status networking. Whereas what, like for instance, whenever I come to your events, I always want to have 40 or 50 girls with me.
And it's not to show off. It's just because it's more fun. It's more fun for me. And then more people want to figure out who I am. They give me their card. They want to network with me. They want to come on my podcast. And I've just like, I've taken all these techniques and steps and I've tried to put them into one program. So that's pretty much what's going on.
So how do people make money in the nightlife space? In the nightlife space, there's a lot of different ways. So obviously one of the best people to follow, I would read the three case studies at Harvard on Jason Strauss. Jason Strauss is the creator of Marquee in New York. There's also a book that briefly discusses him. It's called Very Important People by Ashley Mears. She's a professor of sociology from Boston University. Basically the concept of
If you want to own a nightclub, that's one way to make money. If you want to be a club promoter, I'll tell you this. Being a club promoter is kind of a weird situation because you don't make a lot of money. It's kind of a beating. It's a hard job in the beginning, but it's a really great way if you have a fear of talking to women or talking to other people. You get really good with social anxiety very quickly when your job depends on you getting human beings to come into a club. So I actually recommend if you're considering it, I think either...
People should do that. That's a really great way to do it. Another way to do it is kind of like what Steve Fowler and Barry Bly do, which is throw these events...
They'll basically go to a venue, they'll tell the venue, the venue will say, we'll give you the event. It's usually on an off night, like a Tuesday or Wednesday and say, Hey, we'll give you the venue for 5k. We'll take the first five grand from the bar and everything else is left as yours. Does that make sense? So then you bring in your own tables and you keep 100% of the revenue from the bottles after the first 5,000. That has been another way to do it. Another way I've seen is you throw a parties at different places in like Las Vegas or Los Angeles, and then you ask for a flat fee of five grand or 10 grand. And then the bar keeps everything else.
Those are the best ways I've seen in order to do it. But I actually look at nightlife, to be honest with you, as a loss leader. I look at nightlife as a way to get great content to do a business. Does that make sense? So nightlife, and I'm including day pools, and I'm including bikini competitions, and I'm actually including model citizen fun. I'm including all that, Babes in Toyland.
That kind of content, generally it's hard to make money from that specifically, but the content you make from it, you can use to promote a business. My business has to do with high status networking. So all that content that I have is fantastic combined with the podcast. So the content at the events is like, here is the proof that all these really attractive women are engaged with this content. And then the podcast is, here's the proof that these really high status women
high net worth individuals want to engage with the content. And so that's, for me, that's how I've been able to use the content I get from nightlife in order to make money. So Tarzan, you got 130 million views in the last nine days. Venezuela. Why are you so obsessed with Venezuela? What happened out there? Man, it's just, you know me, I'm an algorithmic
conspiracy theorist guru I'm obsessed with social media and growing different platforms so I spent some time and you grew 400,000 followers the last two weeks yeah 400,000 followers about to be 500,000 today I'm at like 16,000 more to go and I'll hit 500,000 so we'll give it 12 more minutes yeah before the end of the day so we'll probably hit it
But, yeah, man, just going to different parts of the world that's undiscovered. Venezuela's pretty tight-knit in South America. Sure. Everybody goes to Brazil or Peru to see Machu Picchu, or they go to Colombia, or they go wherever. And not many people have been to Venezuela. Yeah. So I had a couple of buddies go down there before me. Shout out to Jay Alvarez. And I was like, man, they had posted a picture of a beach there.
And I was like, where's that? Like Maldives, Bora Bora? Like, no, that's in Venezuela. I'm like, if Venezuela beach looks like that, I wonder what the rest of the country looks like. So I started doing like a little deep dive.
And before you know it, I was just on a plane. Yeah. You know, I was like, I'm going to Venezuela. So I get down there and 14 days later from catching anacondas to crocodiles and came in, you know, looking for little bugs and gone fishing for peacock bass and hanging out with the tribes, multiple different tribes. I came into a really, I mean, less than,
less than a couple hundred people ever contacted one of these Yanomami tribes. And we went down there and, uh, barter machetes and a bunch of fishing line. And the part where we went to is like, uh, it has a triple border. So it was real dangerous. Yeah. Um, cause you have illegal miners down there that like mine gold and different minerals. Yeah. Um, but needless to say, you're giving out content that nobody has, nobody's seen, you know? So, um, do you have to study up when you're dealing with, uh,
the wildlife in Venezuela that maybe you've ever... Yeah, yeah. I mean, as far as the Amazon and South America, that was the first part of the world I studied as a kid. So I'm pretty well-versed on the different animals there, but there's all types of species. There's all different locales and different animals. So yeah,
I kinda like to learn while I'm down there from the locals. I was getting taught a lot in Spanish, so this was the first trip also that I had a translator, but I kicked my translator to the side 'cause the guys were speaking in Spanish about animals, but they were so knowledgeable about animals, so the things they were saying, I can comprehend 60% Spanish, but when you're speaking 100% animals,
In Spanish, I understand 90% of what you're saying. 'Cause I can get the scientific terminologies and the locations of where we're at. - Well, it's Latin. I mean, a lot of those words are in Latin. - Exactly, exactly. So yeah, man, and me being so involved and engulfed in that space and we're filming and posting in real time,
you know, whereas other creators are perfectionists and they want to wait till they get home and sharpen it and iron it. I'm like, bro, give it to him raw. You know, everybody's seeing this raw experience of me going from place to place to place to place to place, you know, animal after animal after animal, you know, and they're just like, it's a sensory overload. So people are sharing it, commenting, you know, what's going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then that's when you hit
the explore page of Venezuela. And we are close to the border of Brazil and Colombia and Bolivia. That's an untapped market, man. You're just hitting these Latin American explore pages. If you guys are familiar with any Latin songs, they have billions of views on the internet. The Latin artists are just...
top of the charts in numbers so just imagine the entertainment that they're missing yeah the numbers you know from someone that looks like me going down there and they're wild places yeah you know learning their language eating their food sharing their sharing their culture with the world especially a place like venezuela where not many people get to go and experience and it is the number one place on the planet people ask me all the time because i travel a lot i've been to almost 30 countries probably over 30 countries now and um
People ask me, what's the best place you've ever been? I always have a hard time. It depends on what you're looking for. You want the beach or you want food or you want this or you want that. Venezuela has it all. It's all top 10. It's just 10 out of 10. You can't beat it. The food, the landscape, tourism, ecotourism, cultures,
Land animals water animals you whatever you want. It's there. That's incredible One of the funny things is so I one of the things we talk about my show all the time is evolutionary psychology So it's basically how did natural selection create Homo sapiens over? 200,000 years to be the way we are and one of the tribes that they always look at in order to find people that are not
they don't see television, radio, or film that doesn't, that don't have any Western influences, the Yanomamo tribe in Venezuela. They talk about that. And certain Inuit Indians and then also people in, the Aboriginal people in Australia. And they talk about these people because they want to show, like for instance, in all cultures, men are more interested in casual sex than women. Well, Yanomamo includes in that. And you're like, well, no, that's patriarchy and a cultural construct. It's like, well, it can't be because these people don't have the internet and don't watch television. So it's kind of, they use that as one of the proofs as,
For instance, in the Yanomamo tribes, the more successful a man is, the higher he is, the difference in age between him and his wife increases. But the thing is, we see that here where billionaires are dating 20-year-olds. So what does that mean? Is that cultural or genetic? It shows that it's genetic. And so it's really interesting you bring that up. The other thing is, I haven't seen your content, but I'm sure, I have no doubt, I've seen this stuff before you did with the snakes. It's
incredible but showing competency and relevancy i think is probably the best thing people can do most people are not going to get 130 million views a month on on social media but whenever i have someone who's starting from the beginning i'm like if you can show you're relevant and you're competent you have access to scarce resources and some kind of status you're gonna you're gonna do really well especially trying to run a business yeah for sure thank you man
Explain what is men of action men of action is a course that I created there's 11 pillars in it It has to do with social networking it has to do with event planning evolutionary psychology critical thinking leadership entrepreneurship those are the the pillars we have Basically, it's an evidence-based a way to explain high status networking and
So I believe this is just my opinion is that the highest level for men is to accomplish goals with other men. That's the reason why we watch the World Cup and the reason why we watch the Super Bowl. We watch people finish. It's the reason why we love the movie Zero Dark Thirty, you know, or war movies. We watch groups of men accomplishing goals together. I believe that's an evolutionary adaptation that.
basically the reason why we're here and Homo habilis and Homo australis and Homo neanderthalis don't exist anymore is because we as Homo sapiens figure that out before anyone else and we're able to create, you know, do incredible things from, you know, a military campaign to building a skyscraper. All these things require groups of men to work
So I created a course that's based in evolution and based in science that basically teaches men how to network with other high status men and at the same time certain attraction triggers that cause women to become attracted or have caused women to become attracted to men for the last 200,000 years. So these are ubiquitous. And if you look at, if you ever see my course,
And you ever see like one of the group calls, you know, on zoom, you can show 49 people at one time, you will see Asian, black, white, Hispanic, because, and it's such an even distribution. The reason why is because the things that we talk about in my course are ubiquitous amongst all homo sapien males.
There's just an access to sexual selection, access to higher resources, access to higher status. Those things are ubiquitous amongst all men and have been since the Greeks, the Egyptians, whoever. And so we just take those concepts and we teach them.
One of my favorite ones is the critical thinking concepts. We talk about thinking about thinking. We talk about concepts that do with evolutionary psychology. It's my favorite stuff. But then we also get into how do I game social media to where all of a sudden I live in a city and every girl in the city knows who I am. What I call is like low-level famous. Like,
I don't think people should be as famous as you guys, or I'd love if they could, but most people can't do that. It's just the numbers don't work out that way. But you should work to a place where you go to a nice restaurant and the chef knows your name. Everywhere you go, whenever there's a party, everyone wants to go to your party. No one would ever think about missing Dan's birthday party. Do you understand what I'm saying? No one would consider the con... Of course we're going to Dan's birthday. You would feel FOMO for not going to that party. Or when Dan Bilzerian would have those Ignite parties. Like,
The concept of us not going was ridiculous. Of course we're going to dance parties. You understand? And so creating something like that, but we can also do it for a real estate agent.
We could also do it for an accountant. We could also do it for somebody who works in big tech. We could do somebody who sells medical parts, medical devices. We can do any of those things and use the same techniques in order so that when you throw an event, people want to come. And one of the main things we talk about is the ratio. Like most of the time when you go to self-help conferences, it's 99% men. I always ask.
Ask men, can you bring five or six or seven girls when you come to these events? They're going to be more interested and everyone's going to be more interested in you. So someone's out there listening and they started networking. They're starting to make some money. What is the difference when you know the line, you can't buy cool? Sure. How does someone transfer to actually become cool?
The cool part is hard. I think that takes immersion. I think a lot of us, there's a point in our life where we're just not cool. We just don't get it. And then something happens and it clicks. I'm sure there was a point in your life where you saw these animals, you came alive, and then probably everyone who was around you when they saw how you acted around them and how competent you were around them became more interested in you. You became more engaging to them. I think that happens for a lot of people. What happens is over time you find your core competency, you become really good at it. So cool to me, I think, is...
Um, is when you find that core competency and you become very comfortable. And I think that takes immersion. I think that takes 10,000 hours. What I teach for my guys though, is the most scalable thing, the thing we've talked about on this show so far, the most scalable thing that we can, any of us can do to show value status and competency with the least amount of effort. What Dan Bilzerian talks about in his book, which is the lowest perceived effort or low perceived effort is social media.
So even if your social media is a six, but you're a 10 in real life, your social media is still going to Trump you in real life because your social media has a hundred thousand X, uh, more, uh, ability to scale. You see what I'm saying? So fixing your social media to where you look competent and relevant is the most important thing. I think it's even more important than becoming cool because what happens is now when you do that, you get invited and included in things that are
cool, you get up around cool people and it sort of rubs off on you after a while by default. I just really think that if somebody was just constantly going to high status parties every week, you know, at one time there were Drake next to the Academy Awards. If you were around people like that and you just saw it wasn't that big of a deal to them, it would start to rub off on you. Immersion would cause you to become more used to being around high status individuals. Just like you said before, most whenever I hang out with Lindsay Payla sometimes whenever I hang out with her, I'm sure she doesn't even notice it at this point.
You should see the look on women and men's face whenever she walks into a room. Because she's so beautiful, right? She walks in. And she's like my homie from Louisiana. That's the way I see her, like a little sister. But everyone else, when they see her, you should see dudes just their jaws drop and women start staring.
And through immersion, you just get to the point where it doesn't affect you that much. And now those people who are more high status, they would rather hang out with you because you're not staring at them or asking them the same questions over and over again that they're tired of talking about. If I ever met Elon Musk, I would ask him questions about material physics because what I studied in college, I would not ask him questions about like, you know, who you're dating or stuff on, you know, good job, you know, getting Andrew Tate back on, you know, Twitter or whatever. Like I wouldn't talk about the stuff that everyone else wants to talk about, the hyper conservative stuff. I would talk about science.
And so I think that's one of the things that happens is that you just get immersed in that. But the first thing I think you do, everyone has to do is fix their social media. If you don't do that, it's just one of these things where when you meet a, like, I don't think a lot of men, especially over the age of 40, realize this. If they go out with a girl and the girl likes them, the first thing she's going to do is
look at his Instagram period. There's just no, she's going to look at maybe his Facebook, but if she looks on there and she sees he has a Twitter and no Instagram, it just looks shady. I don't know how to explain it. If he doesn't have a Tik TOK, maybe, you know, maybe he's not younger or whatever, you know, maybe he's a little older, but it's like, people are going to notice that. So that's the first thing. The second thing I do is, you know, those dream sheets you see sometimes people will have, uh, there's,
on their refrigerator or they have on their wall. They'll wake up and it'll be six-pack abs, a Lamborghini, a million dollars, all that kind of stuff. Make that dream list, but make a dream list of people that you want to network with. So for me, mine, I still want to get Alex Ramosi on my show. I still want to get...
I still want to get Neil deGrasse Tyson on my show. There's a bunch of people I still want to have on my show. I want to get Tom Bilgeau on my show, guys like that. So they're on my dream list of people that I want to get on my show or I want to network with or I want to come to my events. So I usually have about 200 male influencers and about 2,000 female influencers. I usually just use a Google spreadsheet, and I'm going to write all their names down, and I'm going to use their social media handles. I'm not going to use their names. I use their social media handles because one of the things is that's how people are identified by now.
You understand what I'm saying? There's Dan Bilzerian and then there's his account. Those are two different things, right? There's the Instagram account. And so that's the other thing I would do is when you do that and then afterwards, then you start bringing these people to events or you throw your own events. When you start doing that, that's when you can become cool because you're inundated around these high status people.
So one of the main reasons we created this podcast is because we all grew up thinking it's rude to talk about money. Yeah. Why do you think we grew up that way and how can we change that in our society? Well, I think one of the issues is that because through the majority of our society,
let's just say the last 100 years in the United States, it has never been a thing where rich people were trying to help poor people become wealthy. So the idea of talking about money, it was just one of these things you just understood. Think about the upward mobility you have now. Going from rags to riches in the United States, you can do so better than any other country in the world, but it wasn't always like that. The majority of people who would grow up poor would die poor. This is why you see poor neighborhoods...
People have children. Those children go to the poor independent school districts. They have a poor education. They don't get a good job, and then they end up being poor. And you see the cycle of poverty just go on and on and on forever. So the idea of talking about money, I think for some people was like, well, when you deal with things like, say, the Dust Bowl or the Great Depression, do you want to talk about the fact that you're eating good and living well when everyone else is starving? It's hard. It's difficult to do that. I think with the advent of social media, one of the things we start to see is
we can now teach these things, these concepts on making money, scalability, or, you know, like I just talked to Dan Martell the other day, the idea of buying back your time, these very simple concepts that are able to make you millions and millions of dollars. You share them with other people, and sometimes you need to show the –
$178,000 watch or the Lamborghini or whatever in order to get people's attention so they want to buy your program. I just think it's one of these things where probably before, like say in the 1970s, if you did something like that, you just looked like a scam artist or you looked like you were bragging. And I think now there's still some of that, but I think what's happened now is that there's so many millionaires created from what Tai Lopez did. No matter what you think of Tai, the truth is he's made lots of millionaires. Right.
Right. There's so many people that have become wealthy because of what these people, even what Grant Cardone has taught them in these different people have taught them. Even if you didn't buy into Cardone Capital, the idea is like, OK, I'm watching Grant Cardone real estate. Really? I didn't even think about that. Let me get it. Wait, what's that? Ten thirty one depreciation. You mean I can write all this off? Wait a second. I can house hack and have these. What does Robert Kiyosaki say about this, about asset debts and liabilities? Even if you never bought their program.
Just the way they got you thinking about assets and liabilities was so great and made so many people so wealthy that that's the reason why now I think you have to talk about money or else people won't understand. I mean, it's just it's just one of these concepts. Again, there's one of my favorite books is The Millionaire Next Door. And one of the things they talk about is is wealth.
informing their children about money, about investments. I have two rules in Men of Action when it comes to money. One, money should be making your life easier. Or two, money should be making you more money. That's it. That's the only thing. I don't own a Gucci belt. Because that doesn't make my life easier and it doesn't make me money. So I don't use those things, right? But I do own an A7S III because that...
makes me money and it makes my life easier. So that's the reason why I do that. I do have a personal assistant because he makes my life easier. You see what I'm saying? I have people who post for me on social media because they make my life easier. If you just think about it like that, that's how you become fantastically wealthy, I believe. So another topic that seems to get a ton of pushback on social media is girls and older guys or wealthy guys. Yes.
What are your thoughts about it? Why is it something that people are so mad or sad or frustrated about about women wanting to date guys with money or the taboo of it? Why do you think that is? Yeah. So let's talk about what, so this is what I love is evolutionary psychology is about what is and not what ought. So let's talk about what is first. What is, there's a 37 culture study done by Dr. David bus. And one of them, he talks about the Yanomamo tribe. And when he does that, one of the things they find is that in almost every, I believe in every one of these cultures, as men contemplate,
climb the socioeconomic or status ladder, the difference between them and their wives, the age difference between them and their wives increases. Okay? Well, that makes sense. So that means this is something we've done throughout history and this is something a lot of men like to do. Older men who are high status like younger wives because those women actually
have from a genetic standpoint, they have a longer reproductive career. They can give you more children and are more likely to give you healthy children when you're with a woman who's in her early 20s versus her 40s. That's just a function of biology. No matter how unfair it is, that's the way it is. So that's what is.
What ought is what happens, and this is not me saying this, but like for instance, Mia Khalifa is a great example where Mia Khalifa says something to the effect of, you know, she did pornography for a while. She says that, you know, the whole thing was a manipulation of her. And then afterwards comes out and says that men who want to date younger women have some sort of mental disorder, right? Or women who want to date men, uh,
Women who want to date men who are older or wealthier, there's something wrong with them. They have a problem. It's one of these situations where it's usually like the men are creepy for wanting to do this kind of thing. Then you look at the statistics and you find that under the age of 30, something like 33% of men are single and 68% of women.
Well, if 68% of women are in relationships, I'm sorry, 68% of men are single. So about 33% of men are in relationships and about 68% of women are in relationships under the age of 30. Well, if 68% of women are in relationships under the age of 30 and only 33% of men, what does that mean? That means they're dating older men. The problem is this, when...
Men want to date younger women. There's a group of women who are older who are now not getting picked anymore, and that's where you're hearing these things from. The same women who are complaining when they're 35, why are you dating these younger women? This is controlling. You're trying to groom her. The same women who are saying that were not saying that when they were 23.
If you don't believe me, have any of them go back and show the tweet when they were 23 saying this was creepy. When they were 23, they did want to date these guys and could get those guys to lock down. That's the reason why they didn't have a problem with it. Now, my biggest issue is when women want to date older men who are wealthy, that's a preference. When women want to date taller men, that's a preference. When women want to date men who are good looking, that's a preference. When men want to date younger women, that's creepy.
It's just a double standard. It's all it is, is a double standard propagated by academia and progressive thinking, uh, that when I say progressive, I mean liberal thinking that, that causes this whole thing, this double standard to happen. Either one is a preference. A man wanting to date a woman who hasn't had sex with like a hundred men is a preference. And that's not weird and doesn't make him insecure. No more than a woman wants to date a man who's tall. But for some reason, women wanting to date men who's tall is, is congratulated, popularized,
plenty of short King, but go on Tik TOK, look at how short men are just chastised and made fun of on there. No problem at all. Tik TOK never takes those videos down. It's never considered hate speech. But if you say this woman is too, uh, is, is a too heavy or this woman has been with too many men, then this is considered hate speech. Uh,
A lot of times this content is deplatformed or it's demonetized. And so men are not allowed to express preferences. If they do so, they're creepy and it's icky. If women express preferences, in those cases, those preferences are healthy and that's what you go, girl. That's what you should be doing. And the problem is, like I said before, it tends to be women who had an option to lock a guy down in their early 20s and now that they're in their late 20s or early 30s or even in their 40s, now they're upset and they're like, why are you dating these? Why are you...
trying to date these younger girls. Remember those women are always complaining about Leonardo DiCaprio getting rid of women when they turn 25. Those same women are never complaining about the women who keep choosing Leonardo DiCaprio. You guys see that the stories are never about the women making bad decisions. It's always about Leo being creepy. You see the double standard there, right? So that, that's, that's kind of where that issue comes from.
So I saw some of your videos go viral where you talk about the actual percentage rate of tall men, rich men making six figures a year or more, et cetera. What is the actual general math of wealthy men in America and this small percentage of selection that these girls are theoretically going for? Yeah. So this is a great question. So these numbers may, they're, they're outdated all the time. They're constantly changing. So I'll just say this about 17% of men in the United States make a hundred thousand dollars a year or
That used to really mean something. $100,000 a year when my dad was growing up, that was huge. That means you were rich. You paid $20,000 for a car, $100,000, a house was $70,000. Okay. So making $100,000 a year, it's sort of a status line that we have now, but it doesn't really mean as much. But about 17% of men. So that's,
That's about outside of one standard deviation. You're outside of one standard deviation. You make $100,000 a year. That's a pretty good living for most people in most cases. Not for like Grant Cardone. That's not enough money for him. But for most people, they'd be able to live on that, right? And then what happens after that is what percentage of the population is over six feet tall? It's about 14% of the population. So if you take those numbers and you explain that to women, like you ask them, hey, how much money do you want your guy to make? $100,000 is on the low end, bro. If you're in Brickell or...
Beverly Hills, it's 500 K minimum two mil, do 2 million regular income. You're kind of stupid at that point. Like you should be having investments at that point, getting 2 million regular income. I mean, unless you're playing in the NFL, like most people there, they're, they have investments that are making them money or they're putting their money back into their business. So they're writing this stuff off. If you're making that much in income, not to say I'm obviously not stupid. I'd love to make two mil a month or whatever. But my point is like, what happens at that point is these women are like, I need a man who makes a million dollars a year.
At $500,000 a year, you're in the top 1%. The top 1%. I believe it's 540. It may be 600,000 now. Somebody may correct me on this. 600,000, you're in the top 1%. When you say that to women who work in bottle service, the top 1% make $600,000 a year. They cannot grasp that.
I just had a guy drop 20K on this table. He just showed me his Lamborghini or whatever. He obviously makes more than $600,000. All she's around are guys who make $600,000 a year. So because of that bias, she starts believing all men are like that. Because she goes to work and there's these handsome men she works with, she thinks all men are over six feet tall. I had a girl come on my show say that she thinks the average man in the U.S. is six foot two, which is crazy.
It's 5'7", right? Yeah, it's 5'9". It's 5'9". And then... Different countries, right? Yeah, and then the other one was, what was the average man in the United States make? And I believe if you count the elderly and you count teenagers, it's $39,000 a year, which is outrageously low. Women are like, are you kidding me? And I'm like, the average man in the United States... Now, if you don't count them, I believe it's like
$49,000, $51,000 a year, somewhere in that area. But the point is when you tell a woman who is attractive that the average man is five foot nine and makes $51,000 a year, she's just like dumbfounded. Like how can that possibly be? I'm like, yeah, that's the average man. And she's like, no, I encounter men who are taller and good looking all the time. And I'm like, have you locked one down? And they're like, well, no, but he was going to marry me. And I'm like, but did he marry you?
And they're like, no, but he was going like, do you understand that that man? So the way it goes, like one of the ways you can look at, you know, disparity with dating is through sexual partners. And about 28% of men under the age of 30, it's about 28% of men have zero sexual partners, period. I think 26% are virgins and 28% between the ages of 18 to 30 have zero sexual partners in the last year. So we'll just say, let's just say the bottom 25% are at zero.
And then we come up here, the average number of sexual partners for a man in North America is about five. So at the 50th percentile, we're at five. So we go to zero, we're at five. And then the top 5%, it's 150 sexual partners. So it goes zero, five, and then we're at 150. What's the difference?
Do you see that point? Like, consider that. Damn. Consider that. By the way. How do they have time? Isn't that crazy? So when you consider that, by the way, like all the VIP hosts you know, every one of them is way over 150. Like every male stripper, all these male influencers that come to your party, every one of them is over like 300, 400, dude.
Like, so the thing is when you, when you, when you realize that and then you see this disparity, what you come to the realization is there's this small group of men who are just dominating, have no trouble at all. They couldn't go.
all the girls in their DMS if they wanted to, or there's guys that are maybe a couple levels below that are still attractive. Like when, when you'd go up and ask them, I'll be honest with you now that I have a somewhat popular podcast and you know, a hundred thousand followers or whatever. Uh, I have a girlfriend now we don't, you know, I'm, I'm seeing her, but if I were to go up and talk to almost any girl now, they're like very likely to go on a date with
me. Like it's just very clear the difference between me being an established 46 year old man who makes a good living than before when I wasn't, uh, it's just night and day. Like I just don't have to work that hard to get women to go out with me or get attention from women at all. Now I'm not at the point where like there's women in my DMs throwing me like nudes all the time, but there's a lot of guys that are like that too. And then there's this massive group of men that have nothing going for them at all. And so you see this massive level of disparity that's happening and it's causing a problem
There's this huge group of people on the internet right now that are exposing the disparity and they're being called misogynist. Then there's this other group of people that are trying to say there is no crisis in dating and these people are just like they're deluding themselves. They're causing even a bigger problem. The reason why is because the only solution I see is as men, one of the biggest problems we have is obesity.
That's massive. It's like 42% of men are obese in the United States. It's a huge problem. And then the other problem that we have is like, we can't make everyone rich, but we can teach men to like have boundaries. And some of those times, those boundaries as men are eroded. When we look at only fans and pornography, those things cause men to not actually have boundaries. When it comes to women, they fumble. They don't know how to speak to women. Uh, when they do, they, they simp on these women. And when they do so, they're less attractive and to the woman, they're, they're less attracted to the woman. And then their lives are also worse. Um,
When men have boundaries and men act masculine, it's not just better for the man. It's also better for his girlfriend. She enjoys him more as well. And so we've lost a lot of that because of social media. And because of that, you see, just see this massive disparity in, um, in dating that's, that's happened recently.
So the last topic for the Money Mondays, we like to talk about charity. Obviously, you've been hosting a ton of charity events over the years. Why do you think it's important for people to attend charity events, do charity, or incorporate charity into their businesses? Well, here's the first thing. Let's go back to what we were just talking about before. I like going to Model Citizen Fund and Babes in Toyland. I like going to those events because I like to have friends that aren't psychopaths. And I have a theory that if you are a person who's like literal, I'm talking about literal antisocial personality disorder, those type of people aren't going to keep going to charity events.
They're going to go once. They're going to go twice. And then afterwards, they're going to be like, I'm not getting anything out of this. Like there's no – what's in it for me? Sociopaths, narcissists, people with borderline personality disorder, histrionics or Machiavellian people, those people want something for nothing. They want to be verified or – they want to be validated. They want to be adulated.
as much as they can and they want to do as little work as possible. Charity events are the opposite. What do I do at charity events? I give, give, give, give, give. That's what I do. And so when I started surrounding myself with people who were involved with charity, I just found myself around a group of better human beings. Does that make sense? That's the first thing. I'm going to say as far as networking is concerned, you're going to find better people to meet, date,
hire work for if you just spend your social life instead of doing cocaine in the VIP, instead of doing that, going to a charity and helping raise money or give toys for kids. I just think that's a better way to live your life. Additionally, what happens is, and Cole Hatter is such a great example of this, make money matter, is the concept of when you just do things for other people and ask for nothing in return, I just...
Me and Dan can only express this to you, but until you experience it, it won't make any sense. When you do things for people and ask for nothing in return, just this... I can't even... Because I'm a science guy, but I can't explain it scientifically. You just do this, and then everything just...
works out. I don't know how to explain it. You always make rent your company four X's every year or 10 X's every year. People want to network with you. Just imagine this concept. Here's the other reason why is when you, when you work with charities, you're
You feel gratitude because you are helping people who are less fortunate and you see what they're going through. Imagine if like anyone who's watching this right now, imagine if I could just do a little spell on you and this spell made it so that more people wanted to work with you. You were more attractive. You were better at thinking and
And you made more money and you just had a more peaceful, content life. What if I could just give you that spell? There is a spell. It's called gratitude. If you just have gratitude, you just get all those things. But you have an ego that was developed through 200,000 years of evolution to make you not feel gratitude. The charity thing brings you back to gratitude. Yeah.
you see i remember i used to work at a soup kitchen i'll never forget this one guy comes up and he's just like he smells so bad and his eyeball is missing i can see all the way to the back of his eyeball and it just stuck with me and i started i was my first day there and i started volunteering every week because of this and started getting involved with all these charities if you've ever seen an animal suffer by the way animal rescue is a cheat code everyone will come to animal rescue i don't care if you're republican democrat man or woman animal rescue is a cheat code if you if you guys want a charity to start that's super easy that's the one
But you do animal rescue stuff and you just see an animal suffering and you just consider it suffering. And like how much... I don't know if you guys seen on TikTok, these TikTok accounts where they rescue animals off the street and then they bring them back to health and they get like...
10 million likes a video. They're crazy how popular this stuff is. And so that's the other reason why. There's a part of humanity where we're different from other mammals where we have empathy for our kin, right? And that empathy that we have goes back to what I said before, groups of men working together in order to accomplish a goal. I remember this one interview that Kevin Garnett gave where he was like, if I turn around and my teammate's in a fight, I'm jumping in with him. For sure.
I don't know what we're fighting about, but you better know I'm about to rock with you. Now, when we get back to the locker room, I'm going to ask you, like, yo, bro, what the fuck happened? But that level of empathy, you're on my team and I want to protect you and help you, that's a very core key
key attribute of the homo sapien male. And so what I think is, is that when we get involved with charity, we're taking care of our kind, we're taking care of our team, right? The human kind, or we're taking care of animals that we care about when it comes to like things like autism speaks or comes to things like cancer research or whatever.
If you've had a family member that's ever had one of those things, then you're much more attuned to it and you're much more willing to help. And Chloe Ture, she has a brother who has autism, and so she works with autism charities often because of that. Why is it? Because she's trying to protect her tribe. She's trying to do things for her tribe. So those are the reasons why I think being involved with charity, it gives you gratitude. You're surrounded just by better human beings.
And it just grounds you and it helps you protect the understanding of protecting your tribe. I just think it's also a great way for networking. Like obviously I wouldn't know you if it wasn't for charity. I wouldn't know half these people if it wasn't for charity. In some form or fashion, it was a charity that introduced me to almost every person that I know that's successful. So that's why I think that's probably the best thing to do. And let me tell you one other thing. You probably agree with me on this. I don't give a shit if somebody donates a million dollars
to a charity because it was a tax write-off and because he wanted to feel good about himself and he doesn't give a **** about the charity. We will take the money. I don't give a ****. As long as the kids get the toys. I do not care if you're doing this to make yourself feel better or not. I think people need to not worry so much about the whole concept of you're only doing this because you want people to see that you're giving. I don't give a ****.
The money still helps the children with cystic fibrosis. The money is still for cancer research. As long as the kids with the cancer get the research money and as long as the kids get the toys and as long as the animals get rescued, I don't care where the money comes from or what your intent is. And neither should you if you're involved in this.
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