Michael Chandler’s path to the most anticipated UFC fight Vs Conor McGregor 🥊 E54
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- So it's June 29th, it's 9:46 PM and your hand gets raised. Conor McGregor is very upset and he storms out of the ring. Doesn't even do an interview. The next morning, every brand wants to do a deal with you. What happens to Michael Chandler on June 30th after he beats Conor McGregor? - I call you and I say, "Dan, I need some help figuring this thing out." - I'm ready.

Ladies and gentlemen! I wanted to, I was about to do the like, let's get ready, but I can't do that because I don't want to get sued. Let's get, nope, I didn't say it. We have a special guest here. It's very rare that we have a recurring guest, but you're probably going to see him multiple times a year because he's a dear friend of ours.

he's an iconic athlete it's fun to talk to him he's got a great heart so he embodies everything that we do here talking about how to make money and invest money how to give away to charity he's incorporated all those things into his world which i really truly passionately like because most athletes sadly we've heard the statistics 85 go bankrupt within five years of leaving the nfl and the nba that is heartbreaking and so i get really excited when i see athletes

like our guests that have investments in the companies, tequila brands, everything in between. It's really exciting because that paves the way, especially with how big and famous he's getting over and over and over year after year for other athletes to see what he's doing. When I say athletes, that applies to influencers, musicians,

et cetera, being able to invest their money into projects, businesses, real estate, et cetera. Seeing him do that makes my heart warm because it inspires other people to do that, which is our main passion here with my cohost, The Real Tarzan. As you guys know, I always say The Real Tarzan gets over 200 million views a month on social media, but he showed me his Instagram account today. He's had 195 million views in January.

Well, January's not over, so you can do the math. He's going to surpass the 200 million views average, which is absolutely insane. It's really hard to explain, but he's got the stats to prove it every single time. He's been growing 100,000 followers every three days the whole month. We started the month off with 7.6, and now he's at 8.8. It's just absurd. All right, guys. That is a long-winded intro to our special guest today. He is a longtime wrestler, UFC fighter, and

And more importantly, the way that he just called out his own shot over and over at the end of his matches and manifested what seems to be one of the biggest fights in history and very well could be Conor McGregor's last fight ever. Without further ado, please give a warm round of applause to Mr. Michael Chandler. What's up, man? You got me pumped up, man. Let's go! Let's get ready. Don't say that.

It's time! Nope. Alright, by the way, licensing rights, let's talk about that real quick. The reason that we can't say in that tone, "Let's get ready to rumble" or "It's time" is because Bruce Buffer and Michael Buffer own the rights to those trademarks. Not only do they own the rights, they do it for video games, clothing, but especially for live events, entertainment, etc.

Michael Buffer has literally done hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue off that one sentence, that one slogan. That's crazy.

Bruce Buffer makes really good money. Obviously, he's the host of the UFC and hosts lots of events, hosts lots of charity things, is a fantastic business person also. But the numbers of Michael is like, I literally can't explain. I've heard some crazy, like three, $400 million type numbers. And so when we joke about it, I just want to talk from a business perspective. Licensing rights is how I started my business, how I started my life. I originally owned the catchphrase, who's your daddy?

I trademarked it for 300 products. It was 16 classes of trademarks, which is very expensive because it's only 800, 1200 bucks a pop. But you got to do that for every class of trademark in every country in the world. You can do the math. Ads up real quick, especially when I was 18 years old, 19 years old when I did it. However, I ended up licensing it to Starter Apparel just for the UK for $9.5 million, which helped set up my career. And so licensing rights, something for you guys to think about. If you come up with a catchphrase or a name or a product, whether it's a product like this or a product like,

the money mondays or young la clothing or whatever you're sponsored by whatever you work with think about trademarks and licensing rights research that after this podcast okay guys as you guys know the podcast is 40 minutes because the average workout is 40 minutes the average commute to work is 40 minutes so we have about 38 minutes with michael chandler i would like to dive in please if you could give us a two or three minute bio we'll get straight to the money uh quick bio i was a small guy from high ridge missouri uh small town south of st louis uh

Tried my hand at the sport of wrestling, worked out pretty well. Didn't quite make it to where I wanted to be in wrestling as a high schooler. Wasn't a state champ, wasn't recruited by schools.

Walked on to the University of Missouri. Nobody gave me a shot I was the lowest guy on the totem pole ended up becoming an all-american there, but still didn't reach my goals there I figured I'd try this thing called mixed martial arts I fought, you know, three three months after I graduated and now 15 years later 31 fights later top five in the world I'm still trying it 15 years later and it's uh Working out really well, but outside of that obviously that's how I make my the bulk of my money but I've always thought about how do I take that money and

and invested into things, people, experiences that are going to then set me up for later in life. And obviously I have a wife and two sons now, so the stakes are even higher. So we keep on, keep on keeping and keep on keeping on and keep on building. Well,

Walk on. You just said, I've seen that you post about that. I've seen in your hashtags, like what is walk on to you, man? So walk on for me. And it doesn't matter when I do make it. And I, and I say, see at the top a lot too. And that's not something I own. Somebody who actually did trademark that by the way, but I licensed that from somebody. But Zig Ziglar said it. But yeah,

In that vein, even when I get to the top, it's going to be because of the walk-on mentality. Still, with all of the money, all of the platform, all the lights, all the fame, all of the accolades, everything, still having that walk-on mentality, the white belt mentality. Like we were just talking about jujitsu. Even when you're a black belt, the ones that continue to keep evolving are the ones that have that mentality.

I'm still the lowest guy on the totem pole. I still have a lot of open-mindedness and willingness to learn. So everybody's a walk-on in my opinion. And everybody will always benefit from having that walk-on mentality of knowing that even success is always rented. It's never owned and the rent is due every single day. And that's kind of the walk-on mentality.

See you at the top. See you at the top. Tell me about that. Man, well, it's a Zig Ziglar quote. He wrote a book. In my mind, he was the greatest speaker of all time, the late, great Zig Ziglar. But, I mean, see you at the top to me, obviously. It caught fire. I said in my UFC debut and knocked out Dan Hooker in two and a half minutes, you

yelled god bless you at the top and everybody just thought it was synonymous with me but really it was a hat tip to to the great zig ziglar and the biggest thing about see you at the top too is it's it's more about the see you there than it is the me at the top if i get to the top and i look to my left and i don't see you and i look to my right and i don't see you and i don't see anybody else who was coming up with me if i didn't inspire if i didn't touch hearts and minds captivate

Capture hearts and minds and make people feel something by my performances how I live my life what I do if I can't look to my left and my right look behind me in front of me and see all the people that I was able to bring up with me Then really I'm just standing there and it's a very lonely place, right? So that was kind of the the mindset behind the see you at the top. It's not a very self-serving Hey guys, I'm getting to the top because I'm the man It's like I want to see you at the top because that's what Zig always said. He's like

If you do this and this and this, I won't just see you at the top, but I'll see you over the top and I'll see you there with me. So that's, I love his work. And it's very, very rooted in community and what we were created for, creating relationships and community and bringing people up with you. So on the making money side, there's a lot of people out there that are obsessed with martial arts, whether it's karate, jujitsu, so many different forms of martial arts.

Is there money when you're first getting started? And how long do you think, theoretically, we'd have to wait before you can actually start making $40,000, $50,000, $100,000, $200,000 type numbers for the year? Yeah, it's definitely a cut-your-teeth type of industry. I mean, I know guys still that I train. I trained at a gym down in Florida, and I'm a part owner of a gym in Nashville. And a lot of those guys who were still in their first couple fights, they're still in their first couple fights.

They got some amateur fights where obviously they make no money. And then they're still in that kind of beginning stages where they're making a little bit of money, but really they're losing money because after you pay for your hotel or your gas money, your food and all that, they're basically breaking even just to get a win on their record. It really does take a really... There's a little bit of luck involved. Obviously, it's a lot of skill. You have to put on great performances, but you also have to be a little bit more marketable. And you also have to have...

We just listened to Walter talk, and he talked about his high IQ. And you can have a high fight IQ or be really good in the cage, but if you don't have that EQ to be able to have relationships with...

Other people too because there was there were sponsors that were giving me free gear and obviously that's the the life cycle of a sponsor right you get the free gear and then all of a sudden you get get the free gear and a little bit of money and then before you know it you get More money and then before you know it you actually get equity in the company and you keep just kind of working your way up But that takes the right EQ and doing the right things being a being a good steward of the gifts that you were given So I mean it could take a couple years before you're really gonna I mean it took me

I was fortunate. I did a Bellator tournament where I fought six fights in 13 months, and I did three fights in three months, and that was a $100,000 tournament. So I made my first six figures within the first two years of my career, but that's not normal right now. All right.

When I look at the sponsorship of an athlete, whether it's a UFC fighter, football player, basketball player, I think back to George St. Pierre, GSP. He sent me a deck many years ago, and in that deck was a photo of him.

And it showed price points, how much it costs to sponsor his hat, how much the cost to sponsor his sunglasses, how much it costs if you wanted to do anything accessories wise. How much was it for a necklace or jewelry brand? How much was it for a T-shirt? Not just T-shirt, main logo, exclusive logo or multiple patches. He had his shorts in the photo, right? Each one was 50 grand, 100 grand, 250 grand or if you want exclusive is 500 grand.

And it's been burned into my mind for I don't know how many years now because basically made himself into a $2 million package of a lot of 50K, 100K, 250K. And again, the numbers change for you. Let's say you're a startup fighter. You've had four fights. You can make the numbers 1,000, 5,000, 10,000. The number, I don't want to say is irrelevant, but it's adjustable based on your situation. But if you just look at yourself head to toe,

By the way, this applies to an Instagram model, an influencer, a musician, etc. From your shoes, from your socks, from your pants, or your shorts, or if you're dressed for Fashion Nova or Pretty Little Thing or whatever. Every part of you as an influencer, look at Tarzan, same concept. It is fascinating when you start to think about that. Well, who should I get for my watch company?

Who should I get for my accessories company? Who should I get for my clothing? Who should I get for my headphones? Who should I get for my hat? And so to look at it, that's who you go out there and DM. That's who you go email. That's who you have your agent call if you have an agent. Go out there and interact with these brands and think about yourself head to toe as a marketing arm. It's so rare that I see influencers or athletes reaching out. I have a social media agency. We pay 3,500 influencers. Guess how many were inbound? None. None.

If they weren't a referral, nobody's like, hey, I want to be an influencer. It just doesn't happen enough. It's crazy to me how rare influencers, athletes, et cetera, go out there and reach out to brands.

The brands want you guys, right? Who doesn't want Tarzan to have 200 million views? Who doesn't want one of the most famous fighters on the planet to sponsor them? And so rare that influencers and athletes reach out to the brands. So if you're listening out there and you are an influencer, athlete, musician, artist, make yourself that photo and say, I'll take two grand for my hat, five grand for sunglasses, whatever those numbers are for endorsement deals or for one off posts or three posts.

And it will shock you how many brands respond to you. It doesn't have to be a lot of them. You message 100 brands and three respond. And all of a sudden you're getting two grand, five grand, 10 grand a month. You're making 17 grand a month for sending out 100 DMs. You know how long it takes to send 100 DMs? One hour. Because you just copy and paste a picture of yourself and what you want for endorsement deal. All right, guys. Sorry for my little...

Rants, but it's so rare that I get in there. It's good golden good wisdom effort put the put the effort into it And that's that's how those seeds get sown and then they get reaped. Yes, so Tarzan recently you started doing some more endorsement deals There was a took a break. We were building a freaking wild jungle here You're bringing in 204 animals So you were in grind mode literally building spending 3.1 million dollars building an animal sanctuary now

You started, you know, we went to Dubai, started talking with brands and you did a couple endorsement deals. You did a one year deal, six figure deal, one year with a tequila brand. And then you brought on Young LA recently, also a six figure deal, but a long-term deal. How do you decide whether it's Young LA clothing or the tequila brand, et cetera? How do you decide who you work with? All passion projects, you know? Um,

As far as like the tequila, it's like a cool bottle. It has a Jaguar logo. I represent, you know, the Jaguar. It's my favorite animal, you know, something I can get behind. It tastes good. The bottle's shaped in the Aztec temple. I'm really into culture. Love hanging out with tribes and learning about warriors, you know, so it's something I can really resonate with. Young L.A.,

living in California. And actually, it was the first company that gave me a shot with dropshipping merch when I first ever started shipping and doing clothes like six years ago. They had like Bradley Martin and themselves and they were an up-and-coming growing company and they didn't have much influences on their shelves and they put me on their shelves. It was like, we'll ship all your

My original wild stuff I had, you know, and we always had a good relationship, a good connection. And just recently, they was like, hey, top of the year. We're posting money Mondays, posting our analytics. And I don't take many brand deals, especially clothing, because we have our wild jungle brand, you know. And they was like, dude, let's do an online exclusive, a couple posts. You know, we got a cool, you know, athletic line, Young LA, just rock it, do your thing, just be organic.

take a photo, make a reel, go work out with it, roll with it, go jungle with it, we don't care. I'm like, bro, I love that. I love that openness, the creativity. And it's something I can connect with, you know? These are the homies, so. All right. Before I eat these while we're watching, I keep staring at them. Cram. All right. Listen.

I'm literally addicted because I eat them all the time and there's not that many food items that I'm addicted to. Walk me through, you ended up doing an equity deal with them. Walk me through the brand. How do you decide things? You don't have to say the exact numbers, but walk us through the general concept. Man, so honestly, it's obviously, it's a product, but it does start with the people. Ruth and her son, Austin, they are a mother and son duo actually out of Northern California. And once I...

discovered it, tried it. And then I spoke to them. I thought right away, this is, this is, these are people that I want to be in business with, right? Aside from the fact that it's just the, the,

an on the go snack, like a, it's just like our largest competitor, Uncrustable, right? But sprouted organic fermented bread, no sugar added. I also am a father of two, obviously. My kids love PB&Js and I want to be more conscious of what I'm giving them, right? So, and then, so their vision that they had, their actual passion, I mean, they started in a little kitchen about this big, you know, proofing, proving the concept and trying to

to sell them out of their back of their car and bring them to the little grocery stores and little markets and farmers markets. And you could feel the passion that they have for it. And now we're growing like crazy. It's a phenomenal product. We're doing different, going to do different renditions when it comes to different flavors and all those different things. So it's a, it's really, really cool. It's cool to see the growth and it's cool to win together. Right? I mean, you've done,

a thousand of these things now where you you get to go into business people and you're able to take their vision with their their passion and their vision with a smaller company if you will and just watch it grow massively so it's just been so extrinsically uh satisfying but also intrinsically satisfying to know years ago when we had our first our first conversation now a couple years later to see the growth so it's just it's really really cool and we're growing like crazy

How do you decide between cash deals, one-off deals, salary deals, or equity deals? That's a really, really good question because I honestly think it's the life cycle of the deal, right? I mean, like I was saying, and you've got to make sure that, especially for us fighters, right? When I mentor young guys, I say, hey, listen, don't put the cart before the horse. It's very unbecoming if you come off entitled at all. For sure. If anything...

Do something for less than you think right to leave a I call it leaving a little bit of meat on the bone Right and I've done this with almost every single contract deal I've done with Bella tour back in the day left a little bit of meat on the bone with the UFC then all of a sudden the UFC wants to double my pay because they felt there was a I'm bringing more value than they're paying me and

I've had that same mindset and mentality when it comes to all of my different deals, right? So I mean, now I'm at the point where I also know myself, trust myself, and I have to sometimes save myself from myself because I know, like when I take on a project like Cram and I am an owner of Cram, I know I'm going to eat, sleep, and breathe it and try to, we've had numerous conversations. I'm going to put a lot of effort into it. So therefore the juice has to be worth the squeeze. So at the life cycle or the stage I'm at now too,

I want equity in companies more than I want just the cash deals because I do see the long term and I do know that I'm going to take the gloves off for the last time. And I do want to be doing business and maybe we have an exit or maybe we just continue to grow and grow and grow in numerous ones of these different companies that I'm involved in. But that's mainly because I have a little bit of a heart and a passion for actually being somewhat of an operator and a connector to different people and bringing in different ideas and people who have, um,

greater influence, more relationship capital, and you have a good reputation to be able to help a brand go from where they are to where they want to be. Tarzan. Wild Jungle now obviously is, we're making a lot of different products from pet products that are actually like for dental care for the animals. I mean, we're going down the toys path. We're doing children's books. We actually finished our coloring book already. Accessories, clothing for humans. It's like we're doing for children and for pets at the same time.

For you, why is Wild Jungle so important and spending this much time and energy on something outside of the ranch itself and the sanctuary? That's obvious why you like the animals part. But why build it into products for both children and for animals? The Wild Jungle is so important because I feel it's a new initiative in how to make money for animals. We're tired of the zoos and thinking we're going to save the planet by...

$30 emissions at the zoos. That's not the way to do it. It's been rinse, wash, and repeat it from state to state. It hasn't worked. Country to country, it hasn't worked. Animals are in zoos and not going back to the wild.

People are paying to go to the zoos and zoos ain't saving animals in the wild, at least not at a rate where they're actually making a big difference. You know, then if I look at it from an outside perspective, it's like, man, you know, all these organizations going on. What can I provide and give to the world that's different?

let's sell dog food cat food kids toys let's reach the younger generation and grow them up with animals like i was through steve irwin or jane goodall or david attenborough let's reach the kids raise them up give them products put you know wild jungle

you know, scientist kits in every science classroom for free. You know, give dogs that are getting rescued free, you know, vet care if you buy our food. Stuff like that. We really want to make a change, make a difference. $136 billion a year are spent on dog food and cat food just in America alone. Every year. $136 billion. If I have a top 10 animal platform on the planet...

give or take five accounts, if I can land anywhere in a one percentile to ten percentile of that market, how much money can we donate and actually save the wild jungles of the world through our products? We're going to find out. Boom. We're going to find out. Check back in, yeah. So that's why, you know, passion. You know, it's a long-term passion.

It's a long-term thing. The game I'm in is a risky game. You were swimming with sharks last week. Yeah, with no gear. Straight with GoPro. Gosh, dude. But that's a part of the work. Wherever I go, I'm always learning. Tarzan, myself, I'm not just me with all these crazy gifts or these crazy talents.

There's so many people that I love and respect and ask so many questions that are actually true experts in certain species. And they're my teachers. You know, I'm just a student gathering so many, you know, informational points from so many different departments about so many different species. And then boom, we got Tarzan. It's me, but a bunch of teachers behind me, you know. That's awesome. Michael Chandler, at the end of some of your major matches the last five years, you

You would point and scream at the top of your lungs at Conor McGregor. And you literally manifested and willed the biggest fight in history. From someone who has the pick of the litter, right? Because everyone wants to go after him. And they want the hype, the media, the money, and everything that comes with that. And...

there's five or six guys in your weight class that have a real shot at fighting him. And you willed your way into it. And then the TV show happened with the ultimate fighter. And then all these things occurred. But every single time I just remember, cause I was watching every one of your fights. You just said at the end, I'll see you there. Conor McGregor.

Talk us through that. Basically, your Babe Ruth moment of pointing over and over, and now it's real. It's happening this summer. Yeah, it's, you know, obviously, my first fight in the UFC, I shared a card with Conor, and that was my first introduction to the UFC, right? Because I had been outside the UFC for...

my entire career. And there was a lot of hype coming over with my signing. I needed to have a good showing. I did have a good showing. And then it was time for me to just rattle off this big post-fight speech. And obviously I said Conor's name because ultimately when I signed with UFC, I sat in the room with Hunter Campbell and I said,

I'm not here for a long time. I'm here for a good time. I want to fight the biggest and baddest and best dudes possible. And I have done that, right? And Conor is on that list. He's the biggest MMA fighter on the planet. There was a lot of talk about he and I. And then obviously when the Ultimate Fighter started being talked about, I got that phone call not just because of my exciting fights, not just because...

Me and Conor is a fun exciting matchup I was I was the perfect great fit for that TV show for the ultimate fighter and I was a great next opponent for Conor McGregor the excitement and

The hype, how big it was. And ultimately too, I just look at it and just realize how I've been, how God has had me in the palm of his hand my entire career and how it always ends up working out. It's almost like we can, we can have missteps. We can have miscalculations. We can have quote unquote losses. Right. But it's almost like you, if you never grow weary in doing right,

Things usually work out for you eventually all the hard work pays off as long as you're still standing there to receive it when it does and i've just Continued to see these things Make bold claims make go out and fight with my heart on my sleeve fight as hard as I possibly can make people feel something different um And there was a lot of mutual respect between connor and I I think that has had a lot to do with it because like you said too Connor is the most

He's the most, he's the biggest draw in the sport and people want to fight him. It's a sought after fight. And I think honestly it happened because it's a great matchup stylistically fighting wise. It's something that people are going to be interested in, but ultimately too, it made a lot of sense for me to step into that role because I

of the brand, of the reputation, of everything that comes along with my fights. You got a guy who the UFC is like, we want to get our name behind this guy. Why? Because he's, he's a great fighter. He's exciting. And we kind of like him because he's kind of, he does the right thing. He says the right thing. He doesn't try to, doesn't try to be something that he's not. He's authentically himself. We like that. And, and,

it's worked out really well and now yeah june 29th we uh we go out there and put a stamp on this and like you said it could be his last fight but i'll never tell a guy when to retire but with after what i'm gonna do with after what i'm gonna do to him it's gonna be a little tough a little tough we're gonna be sitting front row so yeah it's okay if the blood gets a little bit all right i have a very serious question when you walk into that ring

I see something different in your eyes. In those moments, does it feel like you black out and just fucking go for it for the next few minutes or the next 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes, whatever? Is it calm and focused? Is it quiet? Like, walk us through when you walk in the ring and you're standing across from another big-name fighter. Because your last three or four fights have been against household names in the game. Like, you went after it. Like, you've just been fighting all the big boys. Like...

Is it quiet in that arena? Is it loud in that arena? What happens when you walk in? It is very quiet. You know, obviously during the walkout and stuff, you're still kind of enjoying the moment, right? Yeah, you're still kind of... You're feeling your music. You're going through the thing. But then as soon as I stomp my feet up the cage, there's these metal steps, just like WWE, where they smash them on the right. They're metal steps. And it's like...

You haven't quite gotten into fight mode yet. You need to feel a little bit of something So I slam my feet on those steps as hard as I possibly can and I slam my feet in the octagon I want to feel that crazy impact into my feet because then that kind of is my trigger that kind of turns me into The other side of Michael right, you know It shuts off the nice guy that we that we all know is sitting here and I turn into that guy and I'm calm and

I'm composed. I'm quiet. I know what's about to happen. I'm not afraid of it. I'm excited for it. I'm excited to get into it. Because that's when you know that you're doing what you're called to do. Whenever things that would absolutely scare the heck out of people, whether it's business, whether it's sports, whether it's anything, entertainment, whatever.

The things that would scare the death out of people, you know that you were right where you were supposed to be. You got ice water in your veins, right? And I think my biggest thing is looking across the cage and just getting excited. I got this like little smirk in my eye, at the corner of my mouth, right? Just like excited to get into the fight. And it's not because I like fighting. I'm actually a very non-confrontational person.

But I enjoy the competition. I enjoy the hand-to-hand combat. I enjoy the high stakes. I've really learned to relish being in an arena full of 20,000 people and knowing millions of people are watching and braving the unknown, knowing that I could very well end up flat on my back, everybody laughing at me and making fun of me, or I could very well get my hand raised and I'm doing backflips, right? And I love that roulette. I love that roll of the dice because I think we tend...

We take too little risks and we don't take enough chances in life. And that is a physical manifestation right there in front of the entire world to see for 15 minutes. And I get to be that guy. It's such a huge blessing. And that's all I'm really feeling in there. It's a huge blessing to be able to do what I do. Tarzan, you walk into a jungle and you're in India and you're looking for a 15 foot king cobra. Is it quiet? Can you hear the hissing?

Do you even realize that other people around you? It's very similar. Those moments are right where I'm supposed to be. A lot of things make me uncomfortable. Cobras don't.

you know cobras don't know in the beginning when i first when i first started with cobras they was like really scary and then i just kept going and going i'm like man this dude great what you can't miss you can't miss man that's the thing yeah don't miss you know you get you get tagged by that thing you you toast your toast you know okay seriously what happens oh bro you're toast in india you're just you ever put like a nice piece of bread

and like a toaster and you just leave it. And it's brown or smokey. That's your skin. That's your muscle tissue. That's your nerves. That's no joke. If a king cobra bites you in India, what happens? Indian king cobras are the largest of the king cobras. There's Chinese banded king cobras. There's Indonesian kings. There's Balinese kings. And there's also Indian kings. And dude, they are the big, I think they get 18 feet long.

Yeah, they have enough venom to kill a bull male elephant. Like if it bit an Indian, like an Asian elephant, it could kill it. What would happen if you got bit? Oh, we'd die. You know, so many people that do get bit by cobras, especially king cobras because they have such a big, huge venom yield, you just die.

You don't get immediate help do you realize we got a build while jungle right? Do you carry the anti You have to go to the hospital you have to get like an IV and like Depends on where you're at India, you know, sometimes the hospitals don't have King Cobra, but I'm gonna get a flown in or you're gonna fly somewhere else you get a How long before your toast

Depends on the snake depends on your immune system. Some guys get bit and they're just like hey don't freak out You know because if you freak out your stress drops you 10% 15% and that might be where you like your life may be at just 15% of you making it and the doctors bring you back But if you stress out your toast your ability to stay calm keeps you alive 15% keeps you alive same in the ring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Yeah. Well, I always talk about this too, because you ever watched a fight and we could be sitting here watching, you watch a guy who's really, really, he looks really, really tired. And we're all like, dude, this is a professional athlete. He did he not train at all for this fight? And it's funny because you were all trained. We all train hard. Obviously there's discrepancies in who put in the most amount of work, but we're all in shape, but it has everything to do with heart rate.

What's going on inside your mind? How fast your blood is pumping through your body? How are you able to calm the nerves? How are you able to stay more in that homeostasis? And the crazy thing about a fight is it's always like this, right? There's moments where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm about to get choked out.

and your heart rate's going through the roof and then yeah then you get out of it yeah or like yeah or the worst is yeah you drop a guy you're like okay i'm gonna get the finish here they call it punching a guy out right and then all of a sudden you you know you throw 35 punches and he's still standing there like oh great what just happened but unfortunately you're like okay there's two minutes and 47 seconds left on a lot on the clock which feels like an hour yeah dude all right so it's june 29th

It's 9.46 p.m. and your hand gets raised. Conor McGregor is very upset and he storms out of the ring. Doesn't even do an interview. The next morning, every brand wants to do a deal with you. What happens to Michael Chandler on June 30th after he beats Conor McGregor?

I call you and I say, Dan, I need some help figuring this thing out. No, but that is, that is true. I just, I, I seriously would start there. Like who, who knows more than me? Who do I know? Love trust. Who's better at this than me, you know, instead of me being like, okay, Hey, everybody come to me. Let me take the highest suitor because it's not always the highest suitor. It's not the most amount of cash. It's not, you know, it's, it, it really is that relationship capital and it's who is in your corner, who,

Hello? Yeah, exactly. Right. You know, it would be those kinds of calls where, you know, and, and honestly, the biggest thing after this fight is okay. What got you here?

and what did we first start talking about the walk-on right because even the guy who walked on who even the guy who was undersized at 14 years old and started wrestling at northwest high school and then the walk-on at mizzou and then the guy who beats conor mcgregor they still have to stay grounded right even the guy who beats conor mcgregor on the biggest stage possible in front of the most amount of eyeballs he still has to have the groundedness

have some confidence. Like obviously I have leveled up. I believe in myself more when I win that fight than I did when I was 14, but you still have to have that humility and say, Hey man, I got to stay grounded and let's, let's maximize this.

because i got my wife and my two sons and let's maximize this thing and do it the right way i've always wanted to since the very beginning when i started the sport i knew i was going to go places and i always wanted to change the outlook of what people thought an mma fighter was if i can do things differently if i can move differently speak differently invest differently build differently

inspire and motivate differently then i'm doing something different and i have the shiny object called fighting it gets people to look but it's all the other layers that gets people to stay it's really just a larger platform and bigger numbers or bigger brighter lights of me doing the exact same thing and hopefully staying the exact same person if that makes sense yeah you know

i actually reference that with tarzan a lot because he's so calm humble we'll be at airports and 45 people try to take a selfie while we're trying to rush to the into the gate and he stops for every single person all of them literally all of them uh and the numbers are compounding and compounding and compounding and what happens when you get you were really excited to get to eight million now we're gonna hit nine million by two weeks from now and you're gonna hit 10 million like

When you just think about the sheer math of like how famous you're going to be, you've already been famous, but like June 29th is it's over, right? You can't walk outside after that. I mean, you can, but I'm saying like when you walk outside, it's, you're talking about global, global, global fame after that fight. Um, especially after you win at 9 46 PM. Um,

And for Tarzan, it's literally can't walk because it's 2 billion views last year alone. So it's literally a third of the human population have seen you in some fashion on social media that we know of. That's just from your social. That doesn't count people reposting your stuff. Yeah. And so as that goes into your minds, you guys are two of the most humble guys I know. Like, you know that you're good at what you do. There's no there's nothing wrong with being cocky in the fact like you put in the work to get to become top five, top five in the whole category of what you do.

How do you guys stay humble and stay focused and stay calm as you're gaining to this huge, huge, huge, huge top of the mountain situations in both your lives? Let me get this one off the rip. Okay. I think we both can attest. We both know God has given us everything that we have. Yeah. And we know it and we feel it and we see it and we know if he gives, he can also take away.

And if we walk around here with our chest out and we're the biggest, baddest King Cobra, knock all y'all pictures, man, you know, and God's like, ah, let's take that away. You know? And, uh, we both know it can happen. And, uh,

And we're both Mikes. We're archangels. Yeah, exactly right. We're archangels. And we have a... We got a protection around us, man. And we feel it. We love it. We see it. And we appreciate everybody, you know, because we wouldn't be who we are without the people supporting us, you know. And that's what I got to say. What you got? No, yeah. No, I mean, yeah. It's just been a huge blessing, like I said, my entire life, knowing, watching the way it was all orchestrated and all the lows, you know,

have always ended up working out, you know, right? And it can be taken away from you very quickly. Heavy is the crown and hard is the fall, right? Whenever you think that it was all about you, right?

Whenever you think it was all about what I did. It wasn't me. It was my coaches. It was my people. It was my people around me It was it was the people that believed in you, right? And ultimately it was our God who blessed us with this ability to do it, right and for me one of the biggest things too aside from that because I Always I'd lived my life by that pre Fontaine quote to give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift like we've been given so many great gifts and for us not to give our best and

and do it in a humble manner is to sacrifice those gifts. And I remember the trenches, man. I remember when I worked just to start. You had just as much of a passion for animals 10 years ago as you do now, right? But you just didn't have the following. You still have that same passion. But you remember back in the day when it was just you and you did it for the passion and nobody really cared because you didn't have this big platform, right? I remember that.

working just as hard as all the guys I trained with, but I was a fighter outside of the UFC, and I was asked, walking through Vegas, hey, dude, will you take a picture of me and Ryan Bader? Will you take a picture of me and Gray Maynard? And I never let it bother me. I mean, it bothered me a little bit, but I never...

I never was bitter. I just knew. I was like, hey, patience. Yeah, my time will come. Patience. Patience. And it's the practicing of the patience. It's the coiling of the spring. It's the galvanizing of who you're supposed to become in those moments where it finally pays off. And yeah, whenever, I mean, I took 10 pictures today at the airport, and it's like,

But it always feels like a new blessing every single time someone does it because I remember all the times I walked through an airport and nobody knew who I was, right?

Of course, yeah. Whenever you guys are getting close to the flights about to take off, it's like sometimes you're like, okay, you know. Run with me. It's not an inconvenience, but it's definitely like a deterrent to get you to where you want to be on time, right? So it's just a huge blessing. And it's a platform and a place that you always dreamed of. It's what you wanted. It's what you wanted, right? It's what you, we all want to get to a place where people know you.

We do and know who we are and care about what we're doing and they're invested in what we're doing and ultimately they are the people that are gonna help you get your Mashin message out you can't help save the animals without the people who believe in you, right? I can't I can't make the money that I'm gonna make and have the platform if the people don't follow me and buy my pay-per-views and buy my merch and Buy my products and all those different things. It's a people business. It's the business of people and if you treat them, right and

they will then in return reciprocate that. Boom. Last topic, charity. We talked about how to make money, invest money. We talked about some of the major moments in your lives, especially for both of you on the social media side and building brands. Let's talk about the charity side. One charity. I'm sure there's multiple charities that you care about. Let's just talk about one charity that matters to you and why. Um,

So my wife and I, obviously we have, we have two adopted sons. Um, and we are right now, we were kind of putting some, some stuff together, um, to move in that direction because ultimately, obviously we have had our adoption journey now twice. Um, and we've being in the space or in the, the world of adoption, if you will, there's so many people who need resources, who need, who need help, um, who need, um,

who need just a information. And we have been that to a lot of people, phone calls and speaking to different people and helping make things happen. There's so much stuff that's going on behind the scenes that people will never know about cause we don't talk about it. Um, but we have, we have a huge heart for adoption. Um, so we are in the works right now of, of standing some things up hopefully here very soon. Um, how long does it take to adopt ballpark? Well, it's really, this is a, one of those, uh,

That's one of those answers to the question that's always tough because for us, it has been an absolute cakewalk. And to anybody who might be listening who has gone through the journey, because there's people who wait years. And sometimes it maybe never even happens. For us, it was so, so quick. And part of me wants to feel a little bit guilty for that, knowing that there's so many people out there who have had

horror stories of waiting forever or failed adoptions or whatever but our son had it was a six minute match it was we literally got an email at 1 40 p.m at 1 46 p.m we got a phone call and then we said yes and then our son our son happened right with our son ace it was just as quick it was it was so quick as soon as we kind of entered in and got you basically have to get um

Once you go through all the whole approval process, it was so quick and it was, it was absolutely clear to us. This is our next step. This is our son. It's going to happen. Then it happened. Right. And so it can take, it takes about a year to get all the paperwork and all that crazy stuff done. FBI background checks, full time.

financial background checks, health background checks, or so many different things. Fingerprints at 16 different places. Yeah. It's a, which it's good. I mean, I, it should be a process. It should be a process that there needs to be a good vetting system. Um, obviously there's, there's messed, messed up things in the system and things that don't make sense, obviously, but I like the, I like that it takes a little bit of time, energy, and effort.

But once you get approved, it was very fast for us, but there's a lot of people who are waiting a very long time. Fascinating. Yeah. Tarzan, out of the multitude of animal-related charities that you can choose, let's just talk about one. It doesn't have to be your favorite one. Just let's talk about one charity off the top of your head. Orangutans. Oh, man. I could go all day. Hold on. All right.

So scroll back two weeks on our social media. Look at the orangutan that fell in love with Tarzan. We were in Dubai, okay? And I can't even explain. It was on site, by the way. There's a bunch of us. We have friends with us. There's like all the sheiks and their whole staff. This orangutan saw Tarzan, made a beeline for him, and just jumped and hugged him. You've never met him before? Never met him in my life. No. I like 16 people just seek me out and chose me out. She just...

Bear hugged him. No pun intended. She didn't bring it to him, but she just bear hugged him and then wouldn't let go for two days. We ended up staying the night. Because you... It was just that magical. You didn't want to have separation anxiety. You're like, I don't want to leave her. I was going to go on depression and lose my baby. Dang, dude. And then the whole time, she could have ripped his arm off.

Yeah. Yeah, man. She's so strong. Yeah, everybody's looking like, hey, dude, I'm about to, they got their phone ready just in case. Oh, yeah. World star. World star, yeah. But out of all those people just talking about. And that goes back to the charity aspect. They're so special, man. I don't know what it is, but I have such a love for apes.

chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans. I mean, again, Tarzan, the whole movie is about him growing up with gorillas and apes in the jungle, you know? So to be able to have a moment as a human and share that,

with a creature so close to us as Homo sapien, a human, and they're a primate. It's magical. And a lot of times I've had interactions with chimpanzees and orangutans. I just feel such a connection.

And like, it's almost even with eyesight. It's like, we can look at you like, Hey, I know that you know that I know that you are there. Yeah. You know, like I know what you're, you're there. Such a thinker, you know? And like, I can hang out with orangutan. You'd be like, Hey, take that ring off. And I'm just like, literally grab your hand and,

And it's like, dude, you understood what I just said. No way. You know what I'm saying? It's like, hey, take my shoe off. And it was like, oh, I'm tying your shoe. It's insane. We have it on video. The ring and tank took the water bottle out of my hand, uncapped it, drank, capped it, and handed it back to me. On video. That's insane. How smart they are.

And I want to protect them with my life. Because there's people out there that have showed me what they do for wild orangutans for decades in the jungle. And they have such a positive impact in their community. They have such a positive impact for their species. And they're doing such great work for so long. And they're losing help. I got this big platform. I'm like, bro, how can I help?

Any way I can help. These people are bringing me through the jungle. They're showing me wild orangutans. We're releasing wild orangutans that were in captivity for bad situations and they're re-letting them go with the government. It's insane how much work. They have 300 baby orangutans deep in the jungle in an orphanage. Just raising them up and letting them go. And there's a lady out there named Dr. Barut Galakis. Her son actually lives in San Diego. They own orangutan.org.

orangutan Foundation International ofi out of Indonesia I was in Hawaii and I was walking and I was like I'm gonna go to the zoo once it is you check it out and it had an orangutan there and I saw a female the same size 46 years old right insane ours we met was 14 years old yeah so look at the difference of that and then I seen the mail they had there at the Honolulu Zoo and he was 200

I was like, oh, I was looking at him like, oh my God, he's so big. And I had, again, I hung out with a 14-year-old orangutan. And Mike, when I tell you, when I had to like let her go, like I had to leave, she didn't want to let me go. So it went from this, like, I'm hugging you to like, now I'm squeezing you with all of my grip and my feet. And bro, I was just unbearable. Like, it was like almost I wrestled,

with a crocodile or something. You know, it's like, and it was, it's so cool that at any moment, the animal can just rip me apart. I have no chance of like, like I don't even have a, a ounce of get that thing off of me if I wanted to, you know, and it was five of us trying to get the thing, get it off of me. I couldn't get off. She wouldn't let go. But going back to where you said it earlier too, that's when you know you're doing exactly what you're supposed to do. Like one of those moments where it's like all of those people are there and she's like,

that one that one that's the that's the chosen one like yeah I know he has something in him I could feel it you know like they can feel that right yeah whereas me I probably wouldn't be chosen like I would like it I'd like to look at it but like he'd be like she'd be like no he's not into this but that one that one let me jump on here they're special creatures man yeah special so the last two weeks I've been filming for season two of a TV show called Going Public

two days ago they made me go through a lie detector test and so for my final question michael chandler if i had a lie detector test on you right now on a scale of one to a hundred percent do you win on june 29th against conor mcgregor i'm 100 positive that i win on june 29th that's my boy i think you know even yeah even just outside of the physical aspect of things i just believe that i was born for a time such as this i believe

I believe that my entire life has led up to this and obviously I am very biased because it's me and I've had a fine tooth comb through the entire thing and seen it through a microscope but it's all led me to this and it's the biggest stage possible. I'm better than him inside the octagon.

I'm better than them outside of the octagon. And I just believe it's, this is what, this is what was supposed to happen. All of those nights where I would, I questioned things and I didn't feel like I was where I wanted to be. It's that moment that I get to do it. And it's going to be, I believe it's going to be masterful and I believe it's going to be huge and it's going to be life changing and it's going to be fun for all of us.

Well, the world will be watching that night and sometime in July, we'll probably bring the RV motor home over to you and do another podcast and talk about your victory with your 100% success rate. I love that. How calm and focused you were in that answer. For sure, the lie detector test did not go off. You passed. Nailed it. Got him. All right, guys. So as you know, the Money Mondays, we are now on week 44 out of the 52 weeks because it's our one-year anniversary.

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